About 1914 C.E. ???

Jah-son

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Here's a real zinger I came across:

"If you are a young person, you also need to face the fact that you will never grow old in this present system of things. Why not? Because all the evidence in fulfillment of Bible prophecy indicates that this corrupt system is due to end in a few years. ... Therefore, as a young person, you will never fulfill any career that this system offers. If you are in highschool and thinking about a college education, it means at least four, perhaps even six or eight more years to graduate into a specialized career. But where will this system of things be by that time? It will be well on the way toward its finish, if not actually gone!" Awake! 1969 May 22 p.15

Hmmm...I wonder who gave the flock, the idea that the end was nigh in 1975?

And some more bonus quotes:

But bear in mind that the end of 1914 is not the date for the beginning, but for the end of the time of trouble." Zion's Watch Tower 1894 Jul 15 p.226
"Our thought is, that 1925 is definitely settled by the Scriptures. As to Noah, the Christian now has much more upon which to base his faith then Noah had upon which to base his faith in a coming deluge." Watch Tower 1923 Apr 1 p.106
"... the remaining months before Armageddon." Watchtower 1941 Sep 15 p.288
"Shortly, within our twentieth century, the "battle in the day of Jehovah" will begin against the modern antitype of Jerusalem, Christendom." The Nations Shall Know That I Am Jehovah p.216
 
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kirmmy

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Here's a real zinger I came across:

"If you are a young person, you also need to face the fact that you will never grow old in this present system of things. Why not? Because all the evidence in fulfillment of Bible prophecy indicates that this corrupt system is due to end in a few years. ... Therefore, as a young person, you will never fulfill any career that this system offers. If you are in highschool and thinking about a college education, it means at least four, perhaps even six or eight more years to graduate into a specialized career. But where will this system of things be by that time? It will be well on the way toward its finish, if not actually gone!" Awake! 1969 May 22 p.15

Hmmm...I wonder who gave the flock, the idea that the end was nigh in 1975?

And some more bonus quotes:
Man, that's all a steaming pants-load isn't it.

I too was told I didn't need an education, the end was coming. I was actually studying engineering in Uni when I started studying the Bible. I quit because my Bible teacher told me "it was the right thing to do". I threw myself into pioneering and, although it was financially rough at times, it was a noble vocation. Then I remember standing in line at a district convention for a "bethel interview". When my turn came, one of the first questions out of the Brother's mouth was; "Are you a certified refrigeration or HVAC tech?" I was a hairbreadth away from saying; "Why would I be? You're the ones that told me I didn't need an education of any sort" He then asked me if I had any education as a lawyer, if I remember correctly. That's when the cracks started showing for me. The only way into the "sanctified" bethel was with some kind of skill, for the most part. And yet, we were strongly discouraged from "worldly" education.

Even then, clown world was beginning to manifest itself...
 

Nomex

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If you are a young person, you also need to face the fact that you will never grow old in this present system of things.
To really give this perspective, that was 53 years ago, written to 18-20 year olds, whom they didn't want to go to college. Even single one of them grew old they are in there 70's what the Bible says is our life span and many are now dead, with the majority dying in the next 5-10 years.
 

Niobium

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To really give this perspective, that was 53 years ago, written to 18-20 year olds, whom they didn't want to go to college. Even single one of them grew old they are in there 70's what the Bible says is our life span and many are now dead, with the majority dying in the next 5-10 years.
Yes, I am one of them. Fortunately, I took this paragraph with a pinch of salt, got married, worked full time, had 2 children who went to college, and now am grieving the death of my wife. I feel sorry for some others that I know who took it more to heart and are now in quite difficult situations with no pension and still having to work at menial jobs just to make ends meet. The WT has a lot to be ashamed of yet no apologies just blaming the rank and file for their actions as "running ahead" But do I expect anything other than that from what has turned out to be not the "Faithful and Discreet but rather the "evil slave".
 

Patricia

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Here's a real zinger I came across:

"If you are a young person, you also need to face the fact that you will never grow old in this present system of things. Why not? Because all the evidence in fulfillment of Bible prophecy indicates that this corrupt system is due to end in a few years. ... Therefore, as a young person, you will never fulfill any career that this system offers. If you are in highschool and thinking about a college education, it means at least four, perhaps even six or eight more years to graduate into a specialized career. But where will this system of things be by that time? It will be well on the way toward its finish, if not actually gone!" Awake! 1969 May 22 p.15

Hmmm...I wonder who gave the flock, the idea that the end was nigh in 1975?

And some more bonus quotes:
Yeah that's what made me absolutely certain that I would never grow old and why I look in the mirror in disbelief every day and I stare stupidly at people when they mention my age. This wasn't supposed to happen. I was 6 when that Awake came out. I was raised on that stuff.
Wow, I think I'm a little angry, still.🤬😤 Thought I was done with that. Some things still trigger me.😭
 

kenmuldoon55

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This year's District Convention started differently. It started by telling us "The Governing Body would like to invite us the 2022 DC." So Yah, Jesus, AND the Holy Spirit are no longer getting credit. Moses took credit for water and didn't make it to the promised land. The Rolex watches, the $20,000 Rolex Submariner Herd wears, is a sign of humility. The gold rings they wear on their right hands may signify that as well...
Doesn’t it just warm your heart knowing that the contributions for the worldwide work go to such a worthy cause?
 

kirmmy

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I feel sorry for some others that I know who took it more to heart and are now in quite difficult situations with no pension and still having to work at menial jobs just to make ends meet.
Don't worry, if they stick to their God he will save and keep them. As David said, he hadn't seen the righteous forsaken. Psalm 37:25. Soon, no one will be living in comfort and then everyone...who's alive...will be living in comfort. :)
 

Paz

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I realize that you feel the GB are humbly serving as the Faithful slave. That's fine, we all are allowed to have our own views. Most JWs would proudly agree with you.

You mention their "flexibility" being a sign of humility. Do you believe that Christ was actually enthroned in 1914? If so, what are they being flexible with? Either it's 1914 or it's not. If not, they should be honest and tell us?

You'll excuse me, but I haven't watched the September broadcast. You mentioned that they admitted the ‘faithful slave’ will be inspected by Christ around the Great Tribulation. That would be in the future, correct? Weren't they already inspected in 1919 according to WT Tradition? I'm confused. Is there now a second inspection?

Correct me if I'm wrong but if Jehovah and Jesus are using the GB today as a channel to dispense spiritual food at the proper time, then the 1914 deception was all part of Jehovah's purpose and now he has given the "ok" for the GB to be "flexible" with the date after 100 + years of adamantly preaching a lie (which has become part of our fundamental beliefs as JWs)? Is that how the Rock, the God of truth and justice acts? He commissions a lie to be the foundational belief for the beginning his son's glorious Kingdom and then slowly "adjusts" the lie over time to fit the current circumstances when it's becoming too apparent that it is a lie?

Now, if you're going to use the excuse that Jehovah has allowed imperfect men to believe and promote their own faulty reasoning and they are simply incorrect, fine I guess I can give them the benefit of the doubt that they made a horrific blunder. Now show me where the WTBTS has ever humbly admitted they were "wrong" stating "we were wrong". And then apologized for misleading the flock due to their imperfect interpretation of scripture. Would this not be the humble, modest, discreet and correct way to act. Go ahead...I'll wait.

On the contrary, Jehovah (the God of truth) is not leading them to these faulty conclusions, he is simply allowing them to "dig their own grave" due to their arrogance and lack of modesty, discretion and humility. It's becoming apparent to many that they are fraudsters and the evidence will only continue to mount until it completely overwhelms and they are forced to confront it.

If they wanted to adjust the 1914 narrative,, they could and should have done it in 1914 or shortly thereafter when it was apparent that the prophecy was not properly fulfilled. Robert King has written and spoken extensively about the evidence against the 1914 narrative.

IMHO, the problem began when Jehovah revealed to them (the bible students) the core understandings of Bible truth because they were humble and eager enough to search for it. This was a good start. However, as imperfect humans often do, they began to get puffed up with pride, believing they were now "on a roll" and wrer granted the ability to interpret the entirety of scripture. Proof of this is in Russell's wild interpretation of prophecy in his early writings (pyramids = calculations of prophetic times, Leviathan = locomotive, etc.) followed by years of misinterpreting prophesy. Was it Jehovah's time to interpret the entirety of scripture and prophecy? Obviously not. Yet, the WT has to push ahead, motivated by a desire to remain relevant in they eyes of the flock (after all, they are the self proclaimed FFDS). This is where they went wrong. They were more concerned about their appearance before men than their approval before God. Now, in 2022 they are viewed as infallable gods before the flock and are determined to remain that way. This is why they dare not admit to a mistake. It's always "new light" or the brotherhood took it the wrong way, "false expectations of the flock" (1975). This situation was created out of their own desire to be the sole interpreter of scripture. No one else is allowed to contribute, not even their fellow "anointed" slaves.
Jehovah and Jesus did not cause this situation, they simply allowed the natural course to develop, blessing humble beginnings and establishing a foundation for the preaching of the good news. Just like the Israelites wanted a visable king. Jehovah allowed them to have their visable king and even blessed humble beginnings. We know the rest of the story. History repeats. Nothing is new under the sun.

And yes, it is Jehovah's desire that people come to know him through an accurate knowledge of his word. Basic bible truth was revealed to humble bible students and continues to be preached by humble bible students. Unfortunately, it has become mixed with false doctrinal weeds (Traditions of men). It's important that each individual Christian use discernment, as we were warned to watch out for false prophets among us. This is what we should be doing a, like the Beoreans, making sure of all things.

So, no I don't believe they are going to "flex" their way out of the 1914 deception. They own it. Just like they own all of the other presumptuous, false interpretations throughout the years. They will have to stand in judgement for their actions.
Hi, since you conclude 1914 is a deception then the slave is ‘evil’ perhaps you can tell me who the (faithful slave is?) To answer your question; do I believe Christ was enthroned as King then. No, it’s due soon, but I do think 1914 was a pivotal date in chronology and vital for the international Bible Students at the time and for the establishment of a slave chosen by Christ. Prior to the September broadcast the claim was the full inspection had been done and the ‘slave ‘ had been appointed over all Christs belongings (That can only be done on their joining their brothers in heaven at Armageddon). They now acknowledge that inspection is due at the beginning of the great tribulation. Shunning policy has been reduced but these and other changes are being introduced quietly. I appreciate that many feel they should just say sorry etc etc & I have felt that way as well. But hopefully they will make the necessary changes prior to Christs inspection, prophesy does say that his inspection includes discipline mentioned in Mal 3 a spiritual cleansing. Many have said that Christ returns invisibility for either 1260days or 7yrs prior to the Great tribulation and Armageddon and that the preaching work worldwide is concluded during that short time frame. This contradicts known scriptural practice in Noah’s day (120yrs Noah was a preacher of righteousness) and the Jewish Last days lasting about 40yrs (inc John the Baptist) from Christ s preaching to 70ce with its destruction. My point is who is Jehovah’s named people, who have preached for a sufficiently long period and continue up to the end worldwide other than Jehovah’s People? So no Christ was not enthroned King then but he was present to oversee the preaching work and the appointment of slave (s) . I also believe their have been evil slave (s) groups ofter of former witnesses who’s only wish is to destroy the Watchtower Organisation completely. The broadcast mentioned these as a ‘strange voice’ those making multiple videos (with the aid and support of elements of Christendom) designed to destroy God people and his organisation, I believe these are being made up into a present ‘evil slave’, attacking as it were their former Christian brothers As indicated in Last Days prophesy by Christ. There is a video on YouTube on this point of dates 1874, 1914 etc. I appreciate you points made and as you can see I agree with many of your points but my conclusions are different. Thanks for your comment. G
 
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Chloe

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Hi, since you conclude 1914 is a deception then the slave is ‘evil’ perhaps you can tell me who the (faithful slave is?)
Luke 12:43-48
The evil slave is beaten with many strokes, but the faithful slave is also beaten with strokes because they couldn’t get things right. That is the nature of rule by man.
The watchtower have played their part in the preaching and teaching work. Now it is time to be judged and stand aside for the Kingdom. The faithful sons will be revealed, no doubt many from among Jehovahs Witnesses.
 

MickHewitt

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The best of WTBTS
Here's a real zinger I came across:

"If you are a young person, you also need to face the fact that you will never grow old in this present system of things. Why not? Because all the evidence in fulfillment of Bible prophecy indicates that this corrupt system is due to end in a few years. ... Therefore, as a young person, you will never fulfill any career that this system offers. If you are in highschool and thinking about a college education, it means at least four, perhaps even six or eight more years to graduate into a specialized career. But where will this system of things be by that time? It will be well on the way toward its finish, if not actually gone!" Awake! 1969 May 22 p.15

Hmmm...I wonder who gave the flock, the idea that the end was nigh in 1975?

And some more bonus quotes:
When Christ arrives and sets up Zion we will get a new name which Jah Himself will designate! Isa 62:2 "Hephziba" Symbolic name...KJV
The name Hephzibah is also used as a symbolic name for Zion following its restoration to the favor of Yahweh in Isaiah 62:4...Another bonus quote?
 

Paz

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972 months later, and here we are! 😭😂
It actually says in your quote Aw 1969 ‘it will be well on its way toward its finish’ That remains correct. If you read Gen 6:4 it’s says 120yrs to the Flood. The Last Days of that system announced in advance. Prove to me that 1975 is wrong. Simple arithmetic means 1914 + 120ys equals 2034 CE. We continue to not to know the ‘day and hour’ but we know our God‘s views. 2Pet 3:9 “God is not slack concerning his promise’ Kjv Wycliffe cometary ‘his basic will is that all might turn from their sin unto him’ pg 999 who else other than Gods people are obeying Christs COMMAND to preach worldwide this Good News. Show Me.
 

Paz

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Yeah that's what made me absolutely certain that I would never grow old and why I look in the mirror in disbelief every day and I stare stupidly at people when they mention my age. This wasn't supposed to happen. I was 6 when that Awake came out. I was raised on that stuff.
Wow, I think I'm a little angry, still.🤬😤 Thought I was done with that. Some things still trigger me.😭
Hi you are angry with whom. 2Pet 3:9 not Jehovah he want all to be saved so he is expressing patience. You are angry with my brothers I came along in 1973 my aunts in 1920’s they were not angry , I am not angry, so why are you, Patrica ? I was raised in the world, Satans world sounds like you were lucky. No teenage pregnancy, no drugs, sounds to me like you were blessed. So what happened?
 
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Paz

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Excellent post, I don't have anything to add! Like you said, they have to own this deception now, because their entire narrative falls apart with out 1914. Without 1914 there is no "inspection in 1919", and no appointment of the FDS! They cannot "apologize" their way out of this. They have dug their own grave and Covid forced their tyrannical hand to prove the lengths they are willing to go to maintain this deception.
Hi a ‘slave’ or slaves were chosen then after 1914 the inspection is due on Christs arrival at Great Tribulation. If you insist on no faithful slave, when will Christ choose one or ones ?
 

Jah-son

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Hi, since you conclude 1914 is a deception then the slave is ‘evil’ perhaps you can tell me who the (faithful slave is?) To answer your question; do I believe Christ was enthroned as King then. No, it’s due soon, but I do think 1914 was a pivotal date in chronology and vital for the international Bible Students at the time and for the establishment of a slave chosen by Christ. Prior to the September broadcast the claim was the full inspection had been done and the ‘slave ‘ had been appointed over all Christs belongings (That can only be done on their joining their brothers in heaven at Armageddon). They now acknowledge that inspection is due at the beginning of the great tribulation. Shunning policy has been reduced but these and other changes are being introduced quietly. I appreciate that many feel they should just say sorry etc etc & I have felt that way as well. But hopefully they will make the necessary changes prior to Christs inspection, prophesy does say that his inspection includes discipline mentioned in Mal 3 a spiritual cleansing. Many have said that Christ returns invisibility for either 1260days or 7yrs prior to the Great tribulation and Armageddon and that the preaching work worldwide is concluded during that short time frame. This contradicts known scriptural practice in Noah’s day (120yrs Noah was a preacher of righteousness) and the Jewish Last days lasting about 40yrs (inc John the Baptist) from Christ s preaching to 70ce with its destruction. My point is who is Jehovah’s named people, who have preached for a sufficiently long period and continue up to the end worldwide other than Jehovah’s People? So no Christ was not enthroned King then but he was present to oversee the preaching work and the appointment of slave (s) . I also believe their have been evil slave (s) groups ofter of former witnesses who’s only wish is to destroy the Watchtower Organisation completely. The broadcast mentioned these as a ‘strange voice’ those making multiple videos (with the aid and support of elements of Christendom) designed to destroy God people and his organisation, I believe these are being made up into a present ‘evil slave’, attacking as it were their former Christian brothers As indicated in Last Days prophesy by Christ. There is a video on YouTube on this point of dates 1874, 1914 etc. I appreciate you points made and as you can see I agree with many of your points but my conclusions are different. Thanks for your comment. G
Thanks for your sincere reply and clarifications.

Admittedly, I'm not the best with dates and times as far as prophecy is concerned and I tend to shy away and refrain from commenting on the subject. Honestly, I'm just really turned off by the misinterpretations from the WT over the years. Especially when they present them as something concrete that the flock is required to understand, digest and swallow - even if it doesn't make sense.
I just think all the speculation regarding dates and times is unnecessary and ends up weakening our credibility as ministers when it turns our we were wrong as is often the case. You have to admit that It looks really bad. It's shameful and It's ended up weakening my faith a bit. Though now I realize why it has and is happening. Even my PIMI wife cringes when we get a "prophecy" study article or publication. I realize Jehovah gave those numbers for a reason but we probably won't know the real reason until he actually reveals it through his son. That likely will not occur until after Christ returns so speculating is futile IMHO. I think a lot of truth will be revealed at that time, imposters will be exposed and put to shame.

This is the reason that the 1914 deception is so damming, so many of our beliefs and expectations are based on that one falsehood. It's a false foundation that all of the other WT traditions rest upon. When it finally fails, all WT credibility fails along with it.

I've been successful in not viewing the September broadcast for now but I'm sure my wife will insist that we watch it eventually. The broadcasts have also become a thorn in my side, so to speak. I do look for any solid scripturally based counsel that I can apply based on Jesus admonition to his disciples to do what they (Pharisees) say but avoid their bad example. I do view the GB as the modern Scribes and Pharisees. It's difficult to take seriously anything they present about prophecy, or of their being attacked by the "voice of a stranger". They themselves have become more a voice of a stranger than anyone in these past few years with their strange, illogical campaign to push the experimental injections, etc.
If they would stick to solid scriptural teachings, they wouldn't have to concern themselves over being criticized on YouTube. Real Truth stands up against criticism.

This is the core of the problem with the GB and the WT in general. They are too eager to be on the forefront of new Bibe revelations so much that they've strayed from solid truth. They're more concerned about making an impression before men, staying relevant by releasing something new..."new light"...progressive. They've taken the steering wheel from Christ. One day soon he's going to take it back and the REAL faithful slave will be revealed and appointed. It hasn't happened yet. It's another example of GB presumptuousness. "There must be a faithful and discreet slave because the scriptures say Christ would appoint one in the time of the end, so we will appoint ourselves."
The problem is, the end time has not begun yet. It begins when Christ is enthroned. The appointment of the FFDS is yet to take place.

The GB are self appointed FFDS. This is why they act arrogantly and self assured. No one is allowed to contribute or challenge them. Christ has nothing to do with their appointment and he has little to do with any of the decisions they hand down to the flock. They are a rogue organization just like their Pharisee counterparts in the 1st century.

Just as the Jewish system was useful when it was in alignment with Jehovah's purpose, so the WT when it was in alignment. Jehovah is the Rock, his purpose is unmovable. Men ebb and flow, sometimes in alignment with that solid purpose and sometimes straying from it.
In my estimation, The WT has strayed far off course and their ego won't allow them to return.
 
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