Monday, March 25 - Who told you you were naked?

Watchman said:
As I said, Genesis is written for mankind as a result of the rebellion in Eden. It only tells us what we need to know. Nothing more. Genesis 1:1 says God created the heavens and earth. That is a true statement. You can read into it all you wish, but it is mere speculation. Genesis does not say the earth was the first or only. Earth may well have been the first planet the Creator populated, but I leave open the possibility that it was not. You can make these dogmatic assertions, but all that it proves is that you have more in common with the Watchtower than you would probably admit.
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Crumbs! Everything I say is DOGmatic. I had better leave the room!
 
If my thinking is still attached to the watchtower, maybe your writings are all imaginationary as well, and we're both wrong, after all we're just humans right? ..okay, let's say God populated planet Porcupine first..but how come they ain't invited to be Gods? Apparently Satan didn't find a need to bring accusation of God withholding knowledge from these? But there's that Footstool thing one keeps tripping over..maybe the Almighty built all the other furniturishings first, then brought in this rock he calls a footstool that angels covit, along with the women. Probably because the women on planet sasquatch and rest of intellectually populated worlds around universe are just to homely for the sexually perverted angels to covit. But as you've said, the Bible was conveyed through human imagination like, Ezekiels vision and others who had a glimpse into spirit realm trying to explain what they saw is only the imagination of lowley humans, if so.. the144000 is symbolic as well or the number of angles around the throne and myriads of myriads or the ten thousand on each side thatJesus commands are also conveyed through the imagination of a human. Although human imagination seems to be limitless, I'll stick with what I believe is reality, since I'm still in the flesh, for now anyway..
 
Revvzone said:
If my thinking is still attached to the watchtower, maybe your writings are all imaginationary as well, and we're both wrong, after all we're just humans right? ..okay, let's say God populated planet Porcupine first..but how come they ain't invited to be Gods? Apparently Satan didn't find a need to bring accusation of God withholding knowledge from these? But there's that Footstool thing one keeps tripping over..maybe the Almighty built all the other furniturishings first, then brought in this rock he calls a footstool that angels covit, along with the women. Probably because the women on planet sasquatch and rest of intellectually populated worlds around universe are just to homely for the sexually perverted angels to covit. But as you've said, the Bible was conveyed through human imagination like, Ezekiels vision and others who had a glimpse into spirit realm trying to explain what they saw is only the imagination of lowley humans, if so.. the144000 is symbolic as well or the number of angles around the throne and myriads of myriads or the ten thousand on each side thatJesus commands are also conveyed through the imagination of a human. Although human imagination seems to be limitless, I'll stick with what I believe is reality, since I'm still in the flesh, for now anyway..
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Rev, Satan would not challenge Jehovah over a being that is not given the ability to make the attributes of the spirit their own. They follow instead. Animals are given a role to play in the nature of things, not to direct their course beyond that role. Man is made in Jehovah’s image and which gives us, as Jehovah granted, dominion over the creation - and the intellectual means to do so possibly for the very reason that exercising dominion over creation we are compelled to develop and understand the attributes of the spirit. Our capacity to do so renders us only a “little less“ than the angels - were we perfect. Personally, I feel that we are at the start of Jehovah’s decision to share life with those that will love him, for the reasons stated, but certainly there is room to think otherwise. But why? Given that Jehovah is said to create things anew. However, contrary opinions lead to expansion of thought and consideration. The fact that Jehovah has always existed is a challenge we should be eager to explore.
 
Revvzone said:
If my thinking is still attached to the watchtower, maybe your writings are all imaginationary as well, and we're both wrong, after all we're just humans right? ..okay, let's say God populated planet Porcupine first..but how come they ain't invited to be Gods? Apparently Satan didn't find a need to bring accusation of God withholding knowledge from these? But there's that Footstool thing one keeps tripping over..maybe the Almighty built all the other furniturishings first, then brought in this rock he calls a footstool that angels covit, along with the women. Probably because the women on planet sasquatch and rest of intellectually populated worlds around universe are just too homely for the sexually perverted angels to covit. But as you've said, the Bible was conveyed through human imagination like, Ezekiels vision and others who had a glimpse into spirit realm trying to explain what they saw is only the imagination of lowley humans, if so.. the144000 is symbolic as well or the number of angles around the throne and myriads of myriads or the ten thousand on each side thatJesus commands are also conveyed through the imagination of a human. Although human imagination seems to be limitless, I'll stick with what I believe is reality, since I'm still in the flesh, for now anyway..
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It’s something I thought I would have never considered, but to take being still attached to watchtower as insulting shows just how far down the tubes watchtower has gone. Food for thought indeed! 👍
 
Revvzone said:
If my thinking is still attached to the watchtower, maybe your writings are all imaginationary as well, and we're both wrong, after all we're just humans right? ..okay, let's say God populated planet Porcupine first..but how come they ain't invited to be Gods? Apparently Satan didn't find a need to bring accusation of God withholding knowledge from these? But there's that Footstool thing one keeps tripping over..maybe the Almighty built all the other furniturishings first, then brought in this rock he calls a footstool that angels covit, along with the women. Probably because the women on planet sasquatch and rest of intellectually populated worlds around universe are just to homely for the sexually perverted angels to covit. But as you've said, the Bible was conveyed through human imagination like, Ezekiels vision and others who had a glimpse into spirit realm trying to explain what they saw is only the imagination of lowley humans, if so.. the144000 is symbolic as well or the number of angles around the throne and myriads of myriads or the ten thousand on each side thatJesus commands are also conveyed through the imagination of a human. Although human imagination seems to be limitless, I'll stick with what I believe is reality, since I'm still in the flesh, for now anyway..
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You really are off in the deep end of the pool and don't know what you are talking about. If God populated other planets then they would be perfect. The rebellion that took place in Eden has universal dimensions since it originated in the spirit world. When it is settled here, it will be settled everywhere, including heaven. The reason God invited humans to be immortal has to do with the lie that Satan fabricated in Eden, that God was selfish and holding back something. As I said, you are entitled to believe whatever you want, but insisting that the Bible backs up your conjecture doesn't work. In that instance, you have more in common with the WT than you are willing to admit.
 
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"God introduced his earthly creation to the principle of ownership and lordship when he explained to Adam that one particular tree belonged exclusively to God. Its fruit was not to be eaten. No, it was not to be touched."
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"And then, one day, Adam woke up from surgery, and there she was! God presented Adam with Eve. "At last"! Adam exclaimed. It was a marriage made in heaven, literally. Eve must have been a stunner. She was hand-made by God! She had to have been a ravishing beauty, a perfect, lovely compliment to Mr. Universe, Adam. They were going to live happily ever after in paradise."
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Now that is a tree of my dreams. When I moved to my last home, I planted a walnut tree - as a stick. By the time we left, it was a magnificent but still small tree, but gave me about 350 walnuts a year by then - I pickled them to eat with (real) cheddar cheese - the sort that tears the roof from your mouth and leaves you gums bathed in a sea of lactic acid. Beautiful cheese! But if I can make it to the kingdom, I dream of growing a tree like that in your picture and a sequoia, and fig trees and from the olive trees, making beautiful furniture in fact, given the opportunity, I would have my own rain forest and would build my home from purpleheart and teak with ebony inlays. ……..time to stop dreaming….!!
 
BARNABY THE DOG. said:
Now that is a tree of my dreams. When I moved to my last home, I planted a walnut tree - as a stick. By the time we left, it was a magnificent but still small tree, but gave me about 350 walnuts a year by then - I pickled them to eat with (real) cheddar cheese - the sort that tears the roof from your mouth and leaves you gums bathed in a sea of lactic acid. Beautiful cheese! But if I can make it to the kingdom, I dream of growing a tree like that in your picture and a sequoia, and fig trees and from the olive trees, making beautiful furniture in fact, given the opportunity, I would have my own rain forest and would build my home from purpleheart and teak with ebony inlays. ……..time to stop dreaming….!!
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I asked AI to visualize your dream. Behold: Barnaby the Dog, cheddar, walnuts, furniture, sequoia's etc. ;)

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BARNABY THE DOG. said:
Now that is a tree of my dreams. When I moved to my last home, I planted a walnut tree - as a stick. By the time we left, it was a magnificent but still small tree, but gave me about 350 walnuts a year by then - I pickled them to eat with (real) cheddar cheese - the sort that tears the roof from your mouth and leaves you gums bathed in a sea of lactic acid. Beautiful cheese! But if I can make it to the kingdom, I dream of growing a tree like that in your picture and a sequoia, and fig trees and from the olive trees, making beautiful furniture in fact, given the opportunity, I would have my own rain forest and would build my home from purpleheart and teak with ebony inlays. ……..time to stop dreaming….!!
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... continuo el entonces: hacerme un café con leños de enebro, dormir la siesta bajo las glicinas, merendar higos con queso, cómo me gustan! Hacer un ramo con flores de palo borracho, que árbol magnífico! Campos de flores para correr con los lobos y jugar al escondite entre los jacarandas. Y nunca jamás despespertar.
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BARNABY THE DOG. said:
Rev, Satan would not challenge Jehovah over a being that is not given the ability to make the attributes of the spirit their own. They follow instead. Animals are given a role to play in the nature of things, not to direct their course beyond that role. Man is made in Jehovah’s image and which gives us, as Jehovah granted, dominion over the creation - and the intellectual means to do so possibly for the very reason that exercising dominion over creation we are compelled to develop and understand the attributes of the spirit. Our capacity to do so renders us only a “little less“ than the angels - were we perfect. Personally, I feel that we are at the start of Jehovah’s decision to share life with those that will love him, for the reasons stated, but certainly there is room to think otherwise. But why? Given that Jehovah is said to create things anew. However, contrary opinions lead to expansion of thought and consideration. The fact that Jehovah has always existed is a challenge we should be eager to explore.
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I wasn't speaking to animal intelligence that may exist on other planets...
 
Watchman said:
You really are off in the deep end of the pool and don't know what you are talking about. If God populated other planets then they would be perfect. The rebellion that took place in Eden has universal dimensions since it originated in the spirit world. When it is settled here, it will be settled everywhere, including heaven. The reason God invited humans to be immortal has to do with the lie that Satan fabricated in Eden, that God was selfish and holding back something. As I said, you are entitled to believe whatever you want, but insisting that the Bible backs up your conjecture doesn't work. In that instance, you have more in common with the WT than you are willing to admit.
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Here go again and you know what you're talking? The deep end is for self appointed or proclaimed "unique" as in, I have an ability above others in unlocking God's secrets.sure.. if you say so..
 
Revvzone said:
Here go again and you know what you're talking? The deep end is for self appointed or proclaimed "unique" as in, I have an ability above others in unlocking God's secrets.sure.. if you say so..
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No, you are the one who has claimed to have special powers to see to the outer dimensions of the universe. I have conceded not to know. But since you know what is unknowable and can divine it through the Bible, it would be expected of such a sage as you to conjure the Scriptural support for your opinion. Since you have not, I can only assume you are of the same sort as the Watchtower.
 
Conjure up? no supporting scripture? everything I've said is a reflection of the genesis account.. Never said anything about other dimensions not being populated or the invisible pertaining intelligent life like that of humans...I spoke of planets made from dust like that of earth with intelligent life like humans.. It's my belief we're the only thing crowned with the cardinal qualities of God made from dust..I didn't say there isn't animal or plant life on other planets Here a scripturev
Acts 7:49.Heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool. What kind of house will you build for me? says the Lord. Or where will my resting place be?
No worries it's okay to have different opinions..as well as beliefs..
 
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Revvzone said:
Conjure up? no supporting scripture? everything I've said is a reflection of the genesis account.. Never said anything about other dimensions not being populated or the invisible pertaining intelligent life like that of humans...I spoke of planets made from dust like that of earth with intelligent life like humans.. It's my belief we're the only thing crowned with the cardinal qualities of God made from dust..I didn't say there isn't animal or plant life on other planets Here a scripturev
Acts 7:49.Heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool. What kind of house will you build for me? says the Lord. Or where will my resting place be?
No worries it's okay to have different opinions..as well as beliefs..
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You can cite a passage and claim it has meaning beyond what it says. That is small-mindedness, imaginary conjuring. You do not seem to have the mental capacity to realize that Jehovah is speaking to earthlings, whom he considers to be comparable to grasshoppers. You take his statements as all-encompassing. When he says the earth is my footstool, you imagine that means there is nothing else in the beyond-comprehension universe where God may also repose. I don't accept your little world, that's all.
 
Watchman said:
Because Satan pretended to be a serpent, God went along with the charade. Of course, everyone in heaven knew what happened, but Adam and Eve could not have known and God did not reveal it. The offspring of the woman was a sacred secret too. No one knew who it would be or how it would all play out with the serpent biting the heel and the seed of the woman crushing the head of the serpent. It is noteworthy how little the Hebrew Scriptures say about Satan. Aside from the book of Job, Satan is only mentioned a couple of times.

But when Jesus came on the scene, he revealed that Satan was the father of the lie, thus connecting him to Eden. Further, when Jesus gave the Revelation to John, it was plainly stated that the original serpent was Satan, the Devil. So when God spoke to the "serpent," he was really speaking to Satan, telling him he was cursed and out of God's family of sons. He would be a contemptible, loathsome creature, crawling on his belly and licking up the dust, as it were, until the day that the seed of the woman crushes his head.
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Wow. Thank you. I always thought that Jehovah meant that his situation would be lower than that of the animals. He would be despicable before his eyes like a disgusting animal before the eyes of humans.
 
Watchman said:
You can cite a passage and claim it has meaning beyond what it says. That is small-mindedness, imaginary conjuring. You do not seem to have the mental capacity to realize that Jehovah is speaking to earthlings, whom he considers to be comparable to grasshoppers. You take his statements as all-encompassing. When he says the earth is my footstool, you imagine that means there is nothing else in the beyond-comprehension universe where God may also repose. I don't accept your little world, that's all.
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You're asserting, I think the earth is his just part of his founding of the world a slice of his precious creatiion and ownership of it as an important part of his plan. Obviously other things come into play.. Grasshoppers! Yes that is correct, just as you're.. And since God has not spoken to you directly other than through his word.. In what way is your world far superior to others? sounds like your saying it's impossible for humans to understand God and his purpose through his word except you and everything you conjure up is all encompassing.
Sorry old boy..Here's some mental capacity from a so-called small mind In a little world! When the meltdown of this system happens, yours and everybody's "little world" will be gone with wind!. Because survival is not attached to you or the watchtower or any other human.
 
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BARNABY THE DOG. said:
Now that is a tree of my dreams. When I moved to my last home, I planted a walnut tree - as a stick. By the time we left, it was a magnificent but still small tree, but gave me about 350 walnuts a year by then - I pickled them to eat with (real) cheddar cheese - the sort that tears the roof from your mouth and leaves you gums bathed in a sea of lactic acid. Beautiful cheese! But if I can make it to the kingdom, I dream of growing a tree like that in your picture and a sequoia, and fig trees and from the olive trees, making beautiful furniture in fact, given the opportunity, I would have my own rain forest and would build my home from purpleheart and teak with ebony inlays. ……..time to stop dreaming….!!
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Throw in a little African mahogany somewhere to reflect the minerals embedded within the grain at sunset (or sunrise, your choice, or both) and you'll be good to go 😁
 
Medi-tator said:
Throw in a little African mahogany somewhere to reflect the minerals embedded within the grain at sunset (or sunrise, your choice, or both) and you'll be good to go 😁
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Will do. At present, unless one wants a blank to make a bowl or a bit of inlay, the only timber we can get in England consists of pine, common “mahogany” English and American oak and ash, along with a little purple heart at about £100 for a five foot plank. ☹️
 
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