Scientific reasoning on how Jehovah is eternal and why light was the first creation in the founding of the world.
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BARNABY THE DOG.
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Einstein no estaba en lo cierto al respecto. Jehová "no puede hacer el mal", por lo tanto, si algo no se puede hacer, es porque su potencial no se ha realizado. Es la realización de lo que se puede lograr y la elección de no hacerlo, lo que eleva al Espíritu a la perfección. De lo contrario, ser defectuoso no tendría consecuencias. Por lo tanto, la elección es clave.
La luz es un elemento. El calor es un elemento de luz. Existen de acuerdo con la ley y fueron creados así. "Que haya luz...". El mal es una elección que existe en la vida, ya que Satanás demostró que está creando contención con Jehová. Si el potencial no está ahí, entonces ¿dónde está la opción de servir a Jehová? Es una parte integral de vivir a la perfección. Del mismo modo, la perfección es un estándar. Es completo en sí mismo, pero también se puede ver como lo contrario dependiendo del punto de vista de otro. Satanás ejerció ese punto de vista y, por lo tanto, se salió de la definición de Jehová de lo que es la perfección, dejando de ser como Jehová lo creó. Por lo tanto, "no es perfecto". Tal vez esta es la razón por la que la verdad se describe a menudo como "El Camino".
Sin embargo, si el mal es una elección diferente de lo que es el estándar establecido de la perfección, entonces existe en potencial y siempre lo hará. Que Jehová es perfecto, es indudúblo, pero es Jehová quien describe lo que es perfecto. ¿Cómo puede elegir ser menos que él mismo en su propia elección de lo que constituye perfecto? Esta es entonces la razón por la que Jehová no puede hacer el mal, en el sentido de que para Jehová el potencial del mal no existe porque Jehová describe y establece el estándar de la perfección. Existe para nosotros porque es potencial para la disputa sobre el asunto que está dentro de nosotros. La elección no es invertir en ese potencial. La fe es la aceptación del estándar de Jehová de que nos creó perfectos. Por lo tanto, no es necesario disputarlo, sino aceptarlo con fe.
Einstein was not correct on that point. Jehovah “cannot do evil”, therefore if something cannot be done, it is because its potential has not been realised. It is the realisation of what can be achieved and the choosing not to do it, that raises the Spirit to perfection. Otherwise, being flawed would not have consequences. Therefore choice is key.
Light is an element. Heat is an element of light. They exist according to law and were created thus. “Let there be light…”. Evil is a choice that is extant in life as Satan proved be creating contention with Jehovah. If the potential is not there, then where is the choice to serve Jehovah? It is an integral part of living in perfection. Likewise, perfection is a standard. It is complete in its self, but can also be seen as otherwise depending upon the viewpoint of another. Satan exercised that viewpoint and therefore moved himself out of Jehovah’s definition of what is perfection - therefore ceasing to be as Jehovah created him. Therefore, “not perfect”. Perhaps this is why the truth is often described as “The Way”.
However, if evil is a choice different from what is the set standard of perfection, then it exists in potential and always will. That Jehovah is perfect, is undoubted, but it is Jehovah that describes what is perfect. How can He choose to be less than Himself in his own choice of what constitutes perfect? This then is why Jehovah can do not evil, in it that for Jehovah the potential for evil does not exist because Jehovah describes and sets the standard of perfection. It exists for us because it is potential for dispute on the matter that is within us. The choice is not to invest in that potential. Faith is acceptance of Jehovah’s standard that he created us perfect. There is, therefore, not need to dispute it, but to accept it in faith.
Difficult subject, but I'm going to try to reason it out for myself.
As I understand it, Adam's mistake of disobeying Jehovah was a result of his perfect free choice and therefore cannot be excused or forgiven.
Things are different for post-Paradise humanity up to this point, as we are no longer perfect, due to Adam's choice, but subject to the activities of Satan. So while we may choose to obey Jehovah completely, we will certainly not be able to achieve any perfection this side of Armageddon. Which of course does not mean that there is a difference between deliberate errors, which fall under the heading of being aware of it, and non-willful errors, which fall under the heading of mistake. But both call for a sincere apology and sometimes being rebuked or punished and trying to prevent a next time and not, as the GB does, blaming Jehovah.
Is this reasoning correct?
BARNABY THE DOG.
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Well, I was not making a comment on our own short comings or our proclivity to sin. In answer to Ana’s thoughts that Einstein was correct in assuming that evil is a result of not having God in one’s heart - I’m not certain that the translation from the German carries the correct inference on the matter. Anyway, what I was suggesting was simply that the potential for evil still exists in perfection. This may have been lost in translation as I just mentioned. Regardless, the potential for evil, always exists. It exists even for the most pure in heart because evil is a concept is it not, long before it materialises? The intent to do evil, gives birth to evil, just as the bible suggests. Also perfection is a standard. It translates as being “fit for its intended purpose.” That in itself is perfection, but all things have the potential to be perfect. My idea of perfection is surely different from any one else’s, and in fact, I’m sure I am nowhere near any state of perfection in any one else’s opinion. If one stretches the concept of evil, how can perfection be judged as perfection if there is nothing to compare it with? Yet if we do compare what is judged as perfection with something else, then that “something else” is “corrupt”, by the standard stated by the creator. Corrupt/evil. Hence Satan’s challenge. Thus the issue is not one of our own shortcoming, simply the question of where evil exists in perfection. No, it would not exist. Rather it is simply not chosen to be made into existence. It is a potential. But not for Jehovah because it is He that creates according to His standard, and His standard is perfection to Him. How could it not be?
kirmmy
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If Einstein stood up in class and said that, I'm a monkey's uncle. I think this is more pop wisdom based on nothing. Or at the very least, it's very inaccurately portrayed.
I'm fairly certain that Einstein didn't believe in God in his later years, from what I've read.
BARNABY THE DOG.
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It is possible he said it, though his thinking at that age was far from properly formed as with any child. He did prove the theory regarding darkness being the natural state, as does the deeper thinking today (see the argument I posted on time being confined by light) of the natural state of time. That in itself links in with Jehovah’s first act in creation - “let there be light” and thus the unleashing of the principle of time. At least it forms a little insight into the fact that Jehovah had no beginning and always was. I wonder if Moses had insight into what he was writing - things we can only dream at. Einstein’s early days were more mundane than supposed by Hollywood, so you are more than likely correct that he did not say what was portrayed at that time, though later conversations upon his thinking about creation indicate that he “realised” the fact of a creator. It is difficult to imagine someone with such insight into the laws of physics to assume that they came about by chance.
What I find incredible though is that the atomic age has largely stalled and we have it seems, been given just enough technology to hang ourselves. The timeline of man’s progress, and the set-back of such at the time of the flood followed by the renaissance is so indicative of the planning necessary to bring us to these days its rather a breathtaking example in prophesy. I expect Einstein saw a little of that.