September 23, 2023: Daniel's 1290 days and the beast system timeline

The God Pill

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I am well aware of those two scriptures, those are the two that the WT uses to claim the demons cannot materialize bodies, but if you read what even the WT says for example in the insight book it says, "apparently they cannot materialize bodies." Now obviously they have not done that since the flood, however I do not think those scriptures really say anything specifically with regards to the restrictions on their abilities. For example, where it says,

this reminds of scriptures like the one where it says "Jehovah hardened the heart of Pharaoh" I'm convinced all that means is Jehovah allows their imperfect and wicked inclinations to control their thoughts and actions. In this case the term "darkness" simply refers to the fact that what they did was an unforgivable sin and that when they sinned, that delivered them into this judgement state of permanent darkness. And again with the scripture in Jude,

My argument is simply this, I think they did what they wanted to do prior to the flood, but about 5000 years too soon, and because Jehovah allowed them to do it back then, what I am basically saying is all we really know about them, is Jehovah has not allowed them to do what they did before the flood on a large scale since then, however, I do believe they may have done it on a small scale after the flood. If you look at the family of Goliath, they were all giants and the giants in the bible had 6 fingers, and toes on each hand and foot. (12) And giantism, is not something that would be a family trait that 3 brothers as in the case of the Goliath family would have. If yo0u read the account of the 12 spies, and read what Caleb says in response, he never denies that their were "Nephilim" in the land on Canaan, and we know for a fact that their were giants there. Caleb just says, that "Jehovah would deliver them into the hands of the Israelites."

Of course this is this is pure speculation, but I think it is absolutely based on some good evidence. If you've heard of Steve Qualye he's written extensively about giants and I think some of his thoughts of the matter make a lot of sense...and some is pure drivel, LOL, "the demons are disembodied spirits of the Nephilim" of course because they believe in an immortal soul. But some of his other thoughts on the subject are very thought provoking.

I've expressed before that I'm pretty skeptical towards but do not dismiss claims of a second incursion (the claims post flood giants were hybrids sired the same manner as pre-flood) I differentiate when I talk about the Deuteronomy 32 worldview by using the term second wave of defection in reference to the princes post Babel etc to indicate it did not neccesarily mean any more hybrids in OT times. I've watched a few hours of Quayle before but haven't consumed his books of documentaries I know a sister that's more in to him. generally I lean more towards giant clans being people that were either modified or founding ancestors in some fashion. I'm inclined to ask for summaries of the support you mention for second incursion theory as it would probably spare me and others measure of expense.

I don't follow how a part angel creature is supposed to have a 1-1 correspondence to human biophysics comparing it to immortal soul doctrine's a bit apples and oranges.
 

Nomex

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I'm inclined to ask for summaries of the support you mention for second incursion theory
So first of all I don't really have any "support" for the belief of a "second incursion", it's more of a gut feeling and a somewhat speculative theory on what was going on in the "Land of Canaan" in that Jehovah would order the death of all men, woman, children and even the beasts, as the Israelite's conquered the "Promised Land". Remember the human animal "hybrids" in Greek mythology, and I have argued an angel having sex with a woman would be no different than having sex with animals, because as the scripture in Jude says, "they left their natural dwelling place." They had no natural desire for sex in the first place.

As far as an "incursion", I'm inclined to believe a few demons returned to the earth, some few of the same who had rebelled in the first place, and "carried on" as before the flood, but in a far more cautious and restrictive manner, as in before the flood they were trying to take over the world, and that is what really drew Jehovah's wrath, in the pre-Armageddon era, and so after they knew they could not push their luck too much, and knew Jehovah would allow a certain amount of shenanigans, and perhaps they could not "dwell on the earth" and could only make short incursions.

Again, just speculation, primarily based on the apparent prevalence of at least some giants in Canaan, and the fact Jehovah had the Israelite's kill everything including animals, in certain areas when they conquered those places.
 

David1982

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This is really good work perhaps you are willing for me to use this in my writings as a contribution since you are dealing with this prophecy much better than I could .
Of course, my pleasure. I'm just trying to express what I believe to be the truth, and any effort in doing the same is welcome :)

Of course this is this is pure speculation, but I think it is absolutely based on some good evidence. If you've heard of Steve Qualye he's written extensively about giants and I think some of his thoughts of the matter make a lot of sense...and some is pure drivel, LOL, "the demons are disembodied spirits of the Nephilim" of course because they believe in an immortal soul. But some of his other thoughts on the subject are very thought provoking.

Like what happened in the pre-flood world, Satan and his angels will mislead mankind through the "wonders" of the beast: advanced knowledge and an appealing, benevolent (if you comply), civilization project. They won't necessarily need to materialize bodies and come landing in flying saucers. They could give access to their supernatural knowledge and powers to a priesthood of false prophets.

Imagine if tomorrow mankind received an alien signal, a message from another world, revealing the "real past" of mankind, and sources of advanced knowledge left here millenia ago by our "common ancestors". Imagine a source of very advanced spiritual and technological knowledge, made available to all, and revealing the secrets of life force and energy, allowing mankind to evolve beyond today's limits, and become "ascended masters" of a new era. All of this being presented as an alien gift, while in reality being demonic.
It's the same old trick Satan has always used, but this time overpowered by the enraged demonic influence around earth: pretend that mankind doesn't need God or Christ's sacrifice, that we can become like God if given the right circumstances and knowledge.

What is presented to us as entertainment is in reality very advanced mind programming for what is to come. And not just movies about aliens, also the obsession with super heroes, magical powers, and new age spirituality. Movies like Star Wars, and all the cult around the franchise... Jedi knights with supernatural powers, and their council ruling a unified world, are definitely an archetype of what could take place.

That's why I said it's so hard to imagine that world with today's eyes. Our world is godless, ruled by atheism, materialism, consumerism, all the list of -isms in the dictionary, anything but godly. This has been done on purpose to destroy it, and make the survivors receptive and ready to worship the "spiritual" solution that Satan will offer afterwards.
 

Paz

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Of course, my pleasure. I'm just trying to express what I believe to be the truth, and any effort in doing the same is welcome :)



Like what happened in the pre-flood world, Satan and his angels will mislead mankind through the "wonders" of the beast: advanced knowledge and an appealing, benevolent (if you comply), civilization project. They won't necessarily need to materialize bodies and come landing in flying saucers. They could give access to their supernatural knowledge and powers to a priesthood of false prophets.

Imagine if tomorrow mankind received an alien signal, a message from another world, revealing the "real past" of mankind, and sources of advanced knowledge left here millenia ago by our "common ancestors". Imagine a source of very advanced spiritual and technological knowledge, made available to all, and revealing the secrets of life force and energy, allowing mankind to evolve beyond today's limits, and become "ascended masters" of a new era. All of this being presented as an alien gift, while in reality being demonic.
It's the same old trick Satan has always used, but this time overpowered by the enraged demonic influence around earth: pretend that mankind doesn't need God or Christ's sacrifice, that we can become like God if given the right circumstances and knowledge.

What is presented to us as entertainment is in reality very advanced mind programming for what is to come. And not just movies about aliens, also the obsession with super heroes, magical powers, and new age spirituality. Movies like Star Wars, and all the cult around the franchise... Jedi knights with supernatural powers, and their council ruling a unified world, are definitely an archetype of what could take place.

That's why I said it's so hard to imagine that world with today's eyes. Our world is godless, ruled by atheism, materialism, consumerism, all the list of -isms in the dictionary, anything but godly. This has been done on purpose to destroy it, and make the survivors receptive and ready to worship the "spiritual" solution that Satan will offer afterwards.
Bonjour David, mon arriere-grand-mere was Francois but as most Anglais Je suits pauvre with Traduction , it’s very rude of us when we visit foreign countries not to try and speak petite of their language. I have a view of what the holy angels who persuaded themselves to come down to earth pre flood obviously by their actions ended up for them leaving Gods holy family of spirit creatures. See my section ‘internet/Fallen Angels’ section on my website http://e-christ2coming.com
Au revoir , Paz.
 
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Nomex

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Imagine a source of very advanced spiritual and technological knowledge, made available to all, and revealing the secrets of life force and energy, allowing mankind to evolve beyond today's limits, and become "ascended masters" of a new era.
Yesterday I listened to Mikes Adams interview with David Wilcock. I didn't know the name, but turns out he's one of those "Ancient Aliens" "experts". He's one of these believers in the "cabal" or alliance" of "white hats" working behind the scenes to indict and arrest all the really bad actors in the government. Most of the interview was fine, but at a certain point he started talking about how Micheal the Arc Angel, was communicating with him, and he talked about how if you a good person, that when all these arrest start to happen, we are all going to be enlightened, and so on. I managed to listen to the entire interview.

Here's my observation on everything after listening to this. At first as he was talking about these really bad people getting arrested I could not help but feel some small measure of hope, after all I think any good person who hates the wickedness wishes to see justice come on upon these evil actors. Then he started talking about "Micheal" who "really supports Jesus", and I started putting the pieces together. I've never really believed any of this "Q" stuff, but now I'm not so sure. In fact i think that may be exactly how they bring in the 8th King, and how the "Wild beast" revives from it's death blow.

I think what these people who claim all these arrest are coming may in fact be right on the money.
It's the same old trick Satan has always used, but this time overpowered by the enraged demonic influence around earth: pretend that mankind doesn't need God or Christ's sacrifice, that we can become like God if given the right circumstances and knowledge.
Indeed, this is their ultimate goal, "you positively will not die" and "you will be like God." And I think they will usher in their "New World Order" by arresting and divulging all the wicked deeds these people have been engaged in. It will be the ultimate bait and switch. All the Satan worshiping minions betrayed by the very entities they worship, and then introduce their as you said perfectly, "benevolent (if you comply)" Government.

Any way, I'm quite certain as far as how the Beast is revived from it's death blow, this is how it will come about. You can see and feel the panic from these people. They are clearly desperate and have all but removed any veil of their real purposes, and I do not think they have any where near a majority who buys their multitude of lies. All they need now is the "white hats" to come in right after the GT, to "save" mankind, and then Satan and his demons can and will deceive "even the chosen ones if possible" with their "hat trick".
 

kirmmy

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Then he started talking about "Micheal" who "really supports Jesus", and I started putting the pieces together. I've never really believed any of this "Q" stuff, but now I'm not so sure. In fact i think that may be exactly how they bring in the 8th King, and how the "Wild beast" revives from it's death blow.
There are Brothers and Sisters here that are leaning that way. It's a real possibility.

I think what these people who claim all these arrest are coming may in fact be right on the money.
How? It seems pretty impossible to me. Think of it this way. Who could arrest Joe Biden? The SS won't allow that. They would have to have more authority than the President in the US. It would have to be the Devil himself.

I think this is referred to as "hopium".
 

Nomex

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How? It seems pretty impossible to me. Think of it this way. Who could arrest Joe Biden? The SS won't allow that.
If he is indicted then I don't think they would stop it, the SS all hate him anyway, in any case I doubt he'll last that long since I think this is down the road and after the GT anyway.

What I am saying is this will be the way they usher in the 8th King, after the GT, and then they will use the disaster of the GT to arrest all the bad actors who were the marshals of the GT, in other words everyone in power now. I think it likely the U.S. will be blamed for the GT! Therefore the "death blow" then come the arrest of all those "responsible" therefore the "revival from the death blow" and then the installation of the 8th King.
 

Carl

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Indeed, this is their ultimate goal, "you positively will not die" and "you will be like God." And I think they will usher in their "New World Order" by arresting and divulging all the wicked deeds these people have been engaged in. It will be the ultimate bait and switch. All the Satan worshiping minions betrayed by the very entities they worship, and then introduce their as you said perfectly, "benevolent (if you comply)" Government.

“We shall unleash the nihilists and the atheists and we shall provoke a great social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to all nations the effect of absolute atheism; the origins of savagery and of most bloody turmoil.​

Then everywhere, the people will be forced to defend themselves against the world minority of the world revolutionaries and will exterminate those destroyers of civilization and the multitudes disillusioned with Christianity whose spirits will be from that moment without direction and leadership and anxious for an ideal, but without knowledge where to send its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer brought finally out into public view. A manifestation which will result from a general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and Atheism; both conquered and exterminated at the same time.”​


Albert Pike, 1971 letter to a fellow Free Mason

Satan has no love for his minions, so it's quite possible he would use them as "useful idiots," only to discard them once their usefulness is complete.

The King James Bible introduced us to the name, Lucifer. It was proof read by a high ranking Mason, Sir Isaac Newton. I believe the Free Mason religion is Luciferian.
 

BillyRay

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Yesterday I listened to Mikes Adams interview with David Wilcock. I didn't know the name, but turns out he's one of those "Ancient Aliens" "experts". He's one of these believers in the "cabal" or alliance" of "white hats" working behind the scenes to indict and arrest all the really bad actors in the government. Most of the interview was fine, but at a certain point he started talking about how Micheal the Arc Angel, was communicating with him, and he talked about how if you a good person, that when all these arrest start to happen, we are all going to be enlightened, and so on. I managed to listen to the entire interview.

Here's my observation on everything after listening to this. At first as he was talking about these really bad people getting arrested I could not help but feel some small measure of hope, after all I think any good person who hates the wickedness wishes to see justice come on upon these evil actors. Then he started talking about "Micheal" who "really supports Jesus", and I started putting the pieces together. I've never really believed any of this "Q" stuff, but now I'm not so sure. In fact i think that may be exactly how they bring in the 8th King, and how the "Wild beast" revives from it's death blow.

I think what these people who claim all these arrest are coming may in fact be right on the money.

Indeed, this is their ultimate goal, "you positively will not die" and "you will be like God." And I think they will usher in their "New World Order" by arresting and divulging all the wicked deeds these people have been engaged in. It will be the ultimate bait and switch. All the Satan worshiping minions betrayed by the very entities they worship, and then introduce their as you said perfectly, "benevolent (if you comply)" Government.

Any way, I'm quite certain as far as how the Beast is revived from it's death blow, this is how it will come about. You can see and feel the panic from these people. They are clearly desperate and have all but removed any veil of their real purposes, and I do not think they have any where near a majority who buys their multitude of lies. All they need now is the "white hats" to come in right after the GT, to "save" mankind, and then Satan and his demons can and will deceive "even the chosen ones if possible" with their "hat trick".
I had similar thoughts. I know a guy who thinks these arrests are happening and will become even more prevalent going forward.

Here’s the rub, for me. If these freedom loving “white hats” arrest all the leftists - who are authoritarian tyrants - how do the freedom lovers then turn into authoritarian tyrants themselves - which is what we know that the .gov of the 8th king is going to look like.

I think it’s far more likely that the leftist’s are the ones who “win”, turning the full force of their governments on the people, and are the ones who inflict the authoritarian tyrannical .gov on the world. “Ministry of Truth” anyone?
 

Nomex

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Here’s the rub, for me. If these freedom loving “white hats” arrest all the leftists - who are authoritarian tyrants - how do the freedom lovers then turn into authoritarian tyrants themselves - which is what we know that the .gov of the 8th king is going to look like.
And that's the $64,000 question and I don't have the answer. It is indeed a contradiction if it did play out that way these "Q" followers believe. However, as David1982 points out it's going to be a "benevolent Government" as long as you obey.
I think it’s far more likely that the leftist’s are the ones who “win”, turning the full force of their governments on the people, and are the ones who inflict the authoritarian tyrannical .gov on the world. “Ministry of Truth” anyone?
I tend to agree, but I'm looking at the piece of the puzzle where the 7 headed beast "dies" and is revived. I don't know how that would play out if the "leftists" win since they are the ones running everything into the ground and are in control. How do they "die" and then are healed? Unless of course it's the opposite. The "freedom lovers" I.E. the Nation State is defeated and the leftist win, perhaps that's the way the prophecy will be fulfilled.
 

David1982

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it’s very rude of us when we visit foreign countries not to try and speak petite of their language
Since english is the international language, you don't really have an incentive to learn a foreign language, unless a willingness to explore or a very specific need. While the rest of the world, if we want to exchange with people from other countries we have to learn english sooner or later :)

Satan has no love for his minions, so it's quite possible he would use them as "useful idiots," only to discard them once their usefulness is complete.
Yes, leftism and other -isms have been used to destroy the western world / anglo-american order, and create a thirst for truth and order among thinking individuals there, but they have no use in the final chapter of the plan. More unthinkable plot twists coming from the master deceiver...
 

CyndiaS

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“We shall unleash the nihilists and the atheists and we shall provoke a great social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to all nations the effect of absolute atheism; the origins of savagery and of most bloody turmoil.​

Then everywhere, the people will be forced to defend themselves against the world minority of the world revolutionaries and will exterminate those destroyers of civilization and the multitudes disillusioned with Christianity whose spirits will be from that moment without direction and leadership and anxious for an ideal, but without knowledge where to send its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer brought finally out into public view. A manifestation which will result from a general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and Atheism; both conquered and exterminated at the same time.”​


Albert Pike, 1971 letter to a fellow Free Mason

Satan has no love for his minions, so it's quite possible he would use them as "useful idiots," only to discard them once their usefulness is complete.

The King James Bible introduced us to the name, Lucifer. It was proof read by a high ranking Mason, Sir Isaac Newton. I believe the Free Mason religion is Luciferian.
Wow. Do you know the source or book for that quote? I would love to share itm TIA
 

Paz

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I've expressed before that I'm pretty skeptical towards but do not dismiss claims of a second incursion (the claims post flood giants were hybrids sired the same manner as pre-flood) I differentiate when I talk about the Deuteronomy 32 worldview by using the term second wave of defection in reference to the princes post Babel etc to indicate it did not neccesarily mean any more hybrids in OT times. I've watched a few hours of Quayle before but haven't consumed his books of documentaries I know a sister that's more in to him. generally I lean more towards giant clans being people that were either modified or founding ancestors in some fashion. I'm inclined to ask for summaries of the support you mention for second incursion theory as it would probably spare me and others measure of expense.

I don't follow how a part angel creature is supposed to have a 1-1 correspondence to human biophysics comparing it to immortal soul doctrine's a bit apples and oranges.
Hi the God Pill, The giants or Nephilim were as we read in Gen 6 the hybrid offspring of the materialised angels who ‘forsook their proper dwelling place’ Jude 1:6 (as loyal spirit sons of God and as heavenly family members of God) Maybe as many as 20million angels materialised took wives for themselves and had male hybrid sons whose sperm was useless so they felt inadequate as men. Did they start polygamy? Did some materialise as women ? Sexual perversions must have increased. Did they share their advanced knowledge? Since they were mixed linage of 50% of sinful Adam would their lifespan been longer, even eternal ? We know they died in the flood but their fathers de-materialised and returned to the spirit realm 2Pet 2:4 cast into Tartarus’ abased from God from their heavenly place and privileges ’. Glossary nwt. This is clear that holy obedient angels retain their ability to ‘put on flesh, spirit and bone(no blood) as the angels who visited Lot and Jesus himself put on flesh for Thomas etc. These ones made the perfect decision to ‘put their own desires and will before Jehovah’ thus knowing Bad like Adam did. Their heavenly privileges were lost that included putting on flesh. This happened on Flood Day . The exaggerated report about ‘giant s ‘ in the promised land by the cowardly spies. The 2 fearless spies did not make such a report. Some humans do grow exceedingly tall and others like pigmy exceedingly small. The Nephilim most likely were 12” tall.real giants. This was not the plan for these inventful angels they thought their sperm creation was a perfect match but Adam and Eve were made from the planets soil they angel were not. They likely wanted to create a family dynasty . More on this in section Internet/Fallen Angels at http://e-christ2coming.com cheers. P.
 

The God Pill

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Hi the God Pill, The giants or Nephilim were as we read in Gen 6 the hybrid offspring of the materialised angels who ‘forsook their proper dwelling place’ Jude 1:6 (as loyal spirit sons of God and as heavenly family members of God) Maybe as many as 20million angels materialised took wives for themselves and had male hybrid sons whose sperm was useless so they felt inadequate as men. Did they start polygamy? Did some materialise as women ? Sexual perversions must have increased. Did they share their advanced knowledge? Since they were mixed linage of 50% of sinful Adam would their lifespan been longer, even eternal ? We know they died in the flood but their fathers de-materialised and returned to the spirit realm 2Pet 2:4 cast into Tartarus’ abased from God from their heavenly place and privileges ’. Glossary nwt. This is clear that holy obedient angels retain their ability to ‘put on flesh, spirit and bone(no blood) as the angels who visited Lot and Jesus himself put on flesh for Thomas etc. These ones made the perfect decision to ‘put their own desires and will before Jehovah’ thus knowing Bad like Adam did. Their heavenly privileges were lost that included putting on flesh. This happened on Flood Day . The exaggerated report about ‘giant s ‘ in the promised land by the cowardly spies. The 2 fearless spies did not make such a report. Some humans do grow exceedingly tall and others like pigmy exceedingly small. The Nephilim most likely were 12” tall.real giants. This was not the plan for these inventful angels they thought their sperm creation was a perfect match but Adam and Eve were made from the planets soil they angel were not. They likely wanted to create a family dynasty . More on this in section Internet/Fallen Angels at http://e-christ2coming.com cheers. P.
I'm with you on the reports by the spies were very likely exaggerated/erroneous. I do disagree with the society's interpretation of Jude and Peter's letter neutering those verses on Tartarus to essential meaningless I think the apostle Peter and Jesus half brother meaning what they say and saying what they mean in regard to that pre flood rebels were imprisoned not resorting to metaphors or allegory I think the literature and POV's of second temple period Judaism are better as a reference point than the interpretive guesses I was raised with in the org even as I understand at those points in time how they'd come to them. Congratulations on your site I hope it gets good traffic and bears much fruit. 👍


So first of all I don't really have any "support" for the belief of a "second incursion", it's more of a gut feeling and a somewhat speculative theory on what was going on in the "Land of Canaan" in that Jehovah would order the death of all men, woman, children and even the beasts, as the Israelite's conquered the "Promised Land". Remember the human animal "hybrids" in Greek mythology, and I have argued an angel having sex with a woman would be no different than having sex with animals, because as the scripture in Jude says, "they left their natural dwelling place." They had no natural desire for sex in the first place.

As far as an "incursion", I'm inclined to believe a few demons returned to the earth, some few of the same who had rebelled in the first place, and "carried on" as before the flood, but in a far more cautious and restrictive manner, as in before the flood they were trying to take over the world, and that is what really drew Jehovah's wrath, in the pre-Armageddon era, and so after they knew they could not push their luck too much, and knew Jehovah would allow a certain amount of shenanigans, and perhaps they could not "dwell on the earth" and could only make short incursions.

Again, just speculation, primarily based on the apparent prevalence of at least some giants in Canaan, and the fact Jehovah had the Israelite's kill everything including animals, in certain areas when they conquered those places.
Differences on topics like Angelology and demonology should be too minor to ever erode the respect for one another of any of Jehovah's people I was being invitational not confrontational in my last comment encouraging sharing your thoughts or views. Quayle's books are usually forty dollars each is all.

I can certainly see why the thoroughness of extermination in Canaan gives many the impression you expressed. I think it was more like keeping a spiritual tumor from metastasizing one of the subsets of the Canaanites were the Phoenicians who had partnerships with Egypt and the Philistines that assisted them in exporting Canaanite style paganism across much of the world. The human sacrifices for example in south america were a consequence of these interactions with Canaan's maritime merchants and whatever operation they had going on there. They seem to have been into drugs as well smuggling forms of fungi into wine and honey to gain influence over other populations.

Given it seems both of us don't believe there's any internal biblical evidence spirits lost the capacity to materialize I don't have any case against a direct origin of any subsequent hybrids save belief wicked angels would be too frightened and deterred by the pre flood troublemakers penalties to try till not long before Armageddon (2 esdras 5 claims some women would give birth to monsters in the end times)

While modification based on watcher notes or relics seems more likely to me as a cause of post flood giant clans given the motif of dynasties as the heirs of deities whether adopted or through claims of biological descent (I've read a book that mentions several times how Davidic kings in pre exile times were seen as adopted sons of the god of Israel) that after they were condemned the princes could've started some bloodlines. It would probably be good to return the thread to main topic soon. Daniel's chronology has been a point of interest since I was scarcely old enough to read.
 
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Medi-tator

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Excuse me while I knock the sand out from between my toes and other areas of my anatomy LOL. I am just a simple minded surfer who bought into "This Generation" back in 1974 and became a JW that year so that I could survive the Big A and surf in paradise forever. To think that 48 years later (my baptism anniversary was just the other day May 5) I would be reading material written by my spiritual brothers and sisters that would be so deep, so profound that I have a difficult time keeping up and following along. I am only writing this to compliment each of you guys and gals for your amazing insights and thirst for truth and justice. As for me and my household, we will continue to serve God and wait patiently for the day that true spiritual and physical paradise prevails. Until then my dear brothers and sisters, carry on please!!
 
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Nomex

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belief wicked angels would be too frightened and deterred by the pre flood troublemakers penalties to try till not long before Armageddon
And this is basically what I think.

Qualye claims there are still giants living to this day and claims the US military has found and killed some in the mountains of Afghanistan. One giant was so big they had to bring in one of those cargo type helicopters and fly it out with a giant tarp. The giant had killed a 4 man Recon group and radioed their position, and they sent in a squad to kill it, and when they got there the giant was eating the soldiers it had killed, like something out of Sinbad the Sailor! LOL.

Let me tell you this crazy story. I was actually witnessing to a friend of mine about a 18 months ago, and I have no idea how I got on this topic, but I didn't tell him any of the above. But out of the blue, he tells me he has a childhood friend who is a SpecOps guy, and claims his unit had killed a giant that was living in some caves in the mountains of Afghanistan. Just out of the blue he tells me this, it was crazy. Now is it possible the SpecOp guy had listened to Qualye, sure of course. So there are two possibilities here. The SpecOp guy had listened to Qualye and made it up, or it really happened.

But here's the bottom line, there is so much we do not know. "Occult" means hidden knowledge, and it's what Satan meant when he told Eve, she would "know good and bad." I think they can materialize bodies and some still do occasionally but they won't do what the did before the flood because as you said they know it will draw Jehovah to take action until maybe after the GT, and then they know they are about to go into the Abyss and they are about to be subjected to Jehovah's wrath anyway. It reminds me of the demon, who asked Jesus if he was going to send it into the Abyss early. I think they do as much as they possibly can without really drawing Jehovah's wrath prematurely.
 

Brother potato

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Excuse me while I knock the sand out from between my toes and other areas of my anatomy LOL. I am just a simple minded surfer who bought into "This Generation" back in 1974 and became a JW that year so that I could survive the Big A and surf in paradise forever. To think that 48 years later (my baptism anniversary was just the other day May 5) I would be reading material written by my spiritual brothers and sisters that would be so deep, so profound that I have a difficult time keeping up and following along. I am only writing this to compliment each of you guys and gals for your amazing insights and thirst for truth and justice. As for me and my household, we will continue to serve God and wait patiently for the day that true spiritual and physical paradise prevails. Until then my dear brothers and sisters, carry on please!!
Thank you Medi-tator. You from now on you can call me"Brother Potato Most Perfect and Excellent" and what ever other grandiose names I can come up with in the near future.:love:
 
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