Body Sovereignty

SusanB

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A podcast that I listen to brought up an interesting point regarding the mask and vaccines mandates. Some of us knew all long but others are now just becoming aware that these mandates were never about health but instead are about body sovereignty. The vaccines and masks, either knowingly or by trickery, are symbols that someone else is master over our body. We cannot allow that to happen if we have dedicated our lives to Jehovah. Perhaps that is why Jehovah did not allow the Israelites to make cuts on their bodies or tattoo their bodies. Here are some relevant scriptures:

Leviticus 19:27-28: “You must not shave the hair on the side of your head or disfigure the edges of your beard. “‘You must not make cuts in your flesh for a dead person, and you must not make tattoo markings on yourselves. I am Jehovah”.

Deuteronomy 14:1: “You are sons of Jehovah your God. Do not cut yourselves or shave your foreheads bald for a dead person“.

Romans 6:16: “Do you not know that if you present yourselves to anyone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey, either of sin leading to death or of obedience leading to righteousness?”

Deuteronomy 23:1: “No man who has been castrated by having his testicles crushed or who has had his male organ cut off may come into the congregation of Jehovah.”


Also I found it interesting that any man with a “defect” could not approach Jehovah’s altar. I think perhaps this is why many brothers and sisters are concerned about damaging their DNA with the vaccines. We know that Jehovah can and will heal us if we are faithful but that doesn’t mean that we should degrade ourselves willingly.

Leviticus 21:16-23: “Jehovah continued to speak to Moses, saying: “Tell Aaron, ‘No man of your offspring throughout their generations who has a defect may approach to present the bread of his God. If there is any man who has a defect, he may not approach: a man who is blind or lame or has a disfigured face or one limb too long, a man with a fractured foot or a fractured hand, a hunchback or a dwarf, or a man with an eye defect or eczema or ringworm or damaged testicles. No man of the offspring of Aaron the priest who has a defect may approach to present Jehovah’s offerings made by fire. Because he has a defect, he may not approach to present the bread of his God. He may eat the bread of his God from the most holy things and from the holy things. However, he may not come near the curtain, and he may not approach the altar, because there is a defect in him; and he should not profane my sanctuary, for I am Jehovah, who is sanctifying them.’”
 

SpicySpice

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I think perhaps this is why many brothers and sisters are concerned about damaging their DNA with the vaccines. We know that Jehovah can and will heal us if we are faithful but that doesn’t mean that we should degrade ourselves willingly.
You're so right. It brings to mind the stories I've heard of brothers who said "well if the v@x kills me then its okay because I'll have Jehovah's blessing." Or " it will give me a straight shot at Paradise"

Will it?
 

Jess

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One thing I cant stop thinking about is why there are no Brothers and Sisters discussing this stuff about the vaccine injuries? Or maybe they do approach the elders and the elders just keep it hush hush?

The other thing that haunts me is THE CHILDREN. Many might appear ok for now but bring in all the things Karen Kingston has brought to light about the nano tech and 5g. This narrative currently barely held together by threads but It will become obvious what they have done to their OWN CHILDREN for the sake of the GB and “UNITY”.

Hey, it’s one thing if I damaged myself “following direction” but so help me Jah if that trusted direction also harmed my children!!! Full Mama bear mode would not be pretty 🐻
 
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SusanB

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One thing I cant stop thinking about is why there are no Brothers and Sisters discussing this stuff about the vaccine injuries? Or maybe they do approach the elders and the elders just keep it hush hush?

The other thing that haunts me is THE CHILDREN. Many might appear ok for now but bring in all the things Karen Kingston has brought to light about the nano tech and 5g. This narrative currently barely held together by threads but It will become obvious what they have done to their OWN CHILDREN for the sake of the GB and “UNITY”.

Hey, it’s one thing if I damaged myself “following direction” but so help me Jah if that trusted direction also harmed my children!!! Full Mama bear mode would not be pretty 🐻
There is an Elder’s wife in my old congregation that is expressing the same sentiments as you are regarding the children. She is sharing the videos that warn of the dangers of the vaccines to the brothers and sisters. But her own daughter won’t listen to her. Honestly there aren’t a lot of children in our congregation anyway but the brothers and sisters with children have been warned. I don’t know what they will do but I guess we will find out in the coming days.
 

Jim

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One thing I cant stop thinking about is why there are no Brothers and Sisters discussing this stuff about the vaccine injuries? Or maybe they do approach the elders and the elders just keep it hush hush?

The other thing that haunts me is THE CHILDREN. Many might appear ok for now but bring in all the things Karen Kingston has brought to light about the nano tech and 5g. This narrative currently barely held together by threads but It will become obvious what they have done to their OWN CHILDREN for the sake of the GB and “UNITY”.

Hey, it’s one thing if I damaged myself “following direction” but so help me Jah if that trusted direction also harmed my children!!! Full Mama bear mode would not be pretty 🐻
VAERS is reporting 160 Covid vaccine deaths and 523 permanent disabilities in the 6 months to 17 years old range. Yes. There are baby and toddler deaths reported in VAERS. And the conventional wisdom is that only a small percentage of incidents are actually entered into the CDC VAERS system. I cannot say if that is true, or not.
 

goldie

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There is an Elder’s wife in my old congregation that is expressing the same sentiments as you are regarding the children. She is sharing the videos that warn of the dangers of the vaccines to the brothers and sisters. But her own daughter won’t listen to her. Honestly there aren’t a lot of children in our congregation anyway but the brothers and sisters with children have been warned. I don’t know what they will do but I guess we will find out in the coming days.
I had a shepherding call last year and voiced my concerns about the vaccine. Their biggest concern was that I didn't spread my views around. It was fine that everyone discussed how they all got their poison shots, but I wasn't allowed to express my thoughts to anyone about the dangers
 
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Jess

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VAERS is reporting 160 Covid vaccine deaths and 523 permanent disabilities in the 6 months to 17 years old range. Yes. There are baby and toddler deaths reported in VAERS. And the conventional wisdom is that only a small percentage of incidents are actually entered into the CDC VAERS system. I cannot say if that is true, or
So awful 😢 And the latest thing they are trying to use as a scapegoat is video games 🤦🏼‍♀️

 

Arctic Cat

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One thing I cant stop thinking about is why there are no Brothers and Sisters discussing this stuff about the vaccine injuries? Or maybe they do approach the elders and the elders just keep it hush hush?

The other thing that haunts me is THE CHILDREN. Many might appear ok for now but bring in all the things Karen Kingston has brought to light about the nano tech and 5g. This narrative currently barely held together by threads but It will become obvious what they have done to their OWN CHILDREN for the sake of the GB and “UNITY”.

Hey, it’s one thing if I damaged myself “following direction” but so help me Jah if that trusted direction also harmed my children!!! Full Mama bear mode would not be pretty 🐻
i have tried to give the people in my congregation this info, gently and in small doses. Most of them gave and some still give me a hopeless stare (meaning:youre an idiot ) then i got the warnings not to talk of this not to create division (even though im not baptized yet) even the ones admitting that there might be something there in the lancet or nature articles and commentaries of the likes of gert vandenbossche, mike yeadon, robert malone , sukharit bakthi and many many more top scientists who even worked with this tech. They immediatley shut it all down with «the GB would never lie to us so this cant possibly be true» Then we had the Elder who several times over the last three years of «pandemic» has praised the governments and told us how important that we TRUST Them because they only have our best interest in mind. And backs it up with Romans 13.. obey obey obey. I tried my very best to give the people around me the info needed to make a truly informed consent and they have shunned not onlyme but my entire family because of it.. when a familymember got hospitalized and almost died they were supersupportive the first days until this family member started talking about how they thought the vaccine caused it - Boom! No more visiting. in the last 10 months there are two people who still visit some times. The rest i havent heard or seen other than when i log in at zoom. They dont know because they dont wanna know, prob in part because the WT and gb have spewed propaganda (croak croak)as gods word and painted everyone who try to tell them about this as evil apostate hypocrites.. and now.. now i guess it really doesnt matter anymore as they all are double and triple injected with their mrna saviour. «Arent you thankful of how Yhwhs organization have handled this?» «would he ever let us be harmed or killed from this vaccine?» i guess it will all be revealed eventually..
 
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Medi-tator

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I had a shepherding call last year and voiced my concerns about the vaccine. Their biggest concern was that I didn't spread my views around. It was fine that everyone discussed how they all got their poison shots, but I wasn't allowed to express my thoughts to anyone about the dangers
There was (and still is) plenty of love and support for the vaxed but zero love and support for those who chose otherwise. I cannot call that Christian behavior. Such a shame. So many good and smart people worshipping an alternate god.
 

Ms_ladyblue

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I had a Bible student who was baptized at the convention the summer of 2019. She was raised a witness in Chicago but left home when she got older and ended up down here later. When I started to study with her about 10 years ago, off and on mind you, she was relatively healthy. Then she finally decided to take the truth more seriously around 2018 and had her study more regular.

Fast forward to the beginning of 2018- 2019, she started going in service, then baptism in summer 2019.
2021 when vaccines rolled out she got shot #1-3. I talked to her daughter the other day and she proudly said that her mom has had all her boosters too! Her health problems have now gotten worse with her heart problems and being a diabetic, it’s pretty bad.

I kept trying to tell her last year how dangerous these vaccines were but pressure from her family and I’m sure the brothers made her give in. Her daughter said she was in the nursing home for rehab and to monitor her health but they don’t seem to put it toget her!

I explained to her daughter about the injuries and how the vaccines were affecting people as well as those who already have medical conditions being made worse by the vaccines.
She just looked at me and nodded. So sad…
 

Ms_ladyblue

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There was (and still is) plenty of love and support for the vaxed but zero love and support for those who chose otherwise. I cannot call that Christian behavior. Such a shame. So many good and smart people worshipping an alternate god.
A former witness sister who I was talking on the phone with said she asked another witness if she was to receive directions from the GB contrary to what Jesus said in the Bible, who would she obey…that person said that she would obey the GB. 😳
 
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Ms_ladyblue

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It is truly unbelievable what has happened the past two years!
So,I called this sister who I spoke about in the previous post. I talked to her a couple of days ago to check on her progress. She’s not doing very well. Her diabetes has gotten worse and she may have to go on dialysis. Now mind you she’s only 67 years old. Anyway, her blood pressure has been way up, and symptoms from neuropathy have worsened. And in previous months she could no longer walk which is why she’s in the nursing home, having to go to rehab.

She sounded so sad on the phone. Also, her brother, who was in good health…has, as she described, an aggressive form of cancer. She also told me that four of her neighbors have died within a short period and to her that was so unusual. I feel sure that they took the vaccine. Two of them who died, me and another sister would call on them in service quite frequently.

So yeah Jess, it’s truly is unbelievable what’s happened in the last two years and I believe it’s going to get worse!
 
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Nomex

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Since the very beginning of this fiasco we have been less and less "active" in our congregation, so I don't talk to the "brothers" all that much. The brother who's our "group overseer" calls me almost every month, I have just been letting it go to voice mail. I am tempted to just answer and tell him, "Brother, he's the thing, yes I think Jehovah would allow the GB and Bethel to take a vaccine that is not safe, because it was and still is impossible to claim that a brand new drug is safe. That was a bald faced lie from Satan's System. That and with everything else the GB did, I now see clearly, the GB are acting exactly like the pharisees, did, and they sound a lot more like the "evil slave" than a "faithful and Discreet slave". Just like when Jesus came to the earth, the Jewish system was God's organization, and Jehovah allowed the corruption to take place, it has now become clear to me, history has repeated itself. Just say anything against the GB like I am and what happens? Well the Bible has a name for that, it's called "idolatry."


Then I think I will say this, "I am going to wait on Jehovah to cleanse his Organization, but until that cleansing takes place, I cannot support this Apostate Org any longer!"
 

Chloe

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Since the very beginning of this fiasco we have been less and less "active" in our congregation, so I don't talk to the "brothers" all that much. The brother who's our "group overseer" calls me almost every month, I have just been letting it go to voice mail. I am tempted to just answer and tell him, "Brother, he's the thing, yes I think Jehovah would allow the GB and Bethel to take a vaccine that is not safe, because it was and still is impossible to claim that a brand new drug is safe. That was a bald faced lie from Satan's System. That and with everything else the GB did, I now see clearly, the GB are acting exactly like the pharisees, did, and they sound a lot more like the "evil slave" than a "faithful and Discreet slave". Just like when Jesus came to the earth, the Jewish system was God's organization, and Jehovah allowed the corruption to take place, it has now become clear to me, history has repeated itself. Just say anything against the GB like I am and what happens? Well the Bible has a name for that, it's called "idolatry."


Then I think I will say this, "I am going to wait on Jehovah to cleanse his Organization, but until that cleansing takes place, I cannot support this Apostate Org any longer!"
We feel the same. Our congregation is having real problems in motivating people. Having to combine groups for field service etc.
 

Nomex

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There was (and still is) plenty of love and support for the vaxed but zero love and support for those who chose otherwise. I cannot call that Christian behavior. Such a shame. So many good and smart people worshipping an alternate god.
When they stopped with the mask "strongly recommended" which was just code for "required", which also demonstrates what hypocrites they really are, because they know they do not have authority over God's people to "require" something like that so they use coercion instead, which is the cowards way of getting what they want, instead of making it an actual choice, and to demonstrate it was not actually a choice, no one removed their mask until Oct 1st. It's like they just keep exposing themselves not matter what now, they just can't help it now.


Any way, to my point about this comment. We talked it over whether we would resume "in person meetings". I think i have posted this already, but we know a sister who got Covid and almost died of remdesivir, but she actually believes it was Covid. She also "knows" she got Covid from a co-worked not wearing a mask. The point here is that anyone who "gets Covid", dies because of Remdesivir, old age or whatever else, is going to be blamed on the unvaccinated, and the unmasked. So sorry, I want no part of their in person meetings.
 
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