Can anyone help me figure this out? Thank You!

[יהוה_saves]

• I believe that the Bible’s prophesies are real;
• i believe the Bible is real (tho i admit i went through very misguided skepticism for awhile;
• i believe Robert is a watchman to proclaim Jehovah’s judgments against Watchtwer before they happen;
• And he has fully done that;
• I see all my former brothers and sisters mindlessly following the Gov Body to a very bitter and tragic place;
• I see a handful of JWs that have rejected this path and were graciously opened up by their God Jehovah, to the prophesies as they truly are meant to be understood.

my question is, what made us different?

 

[MuleJule]

@Asadour I wholeheartedly agree with each of your statements. I've also wondered how relatively few have reached these conclusions and ended up here. Maybe we all share some common deep intuition, maybe because we see through BS, maybe because we have been trampled on throughout our lives and yearn for true justice, we know and love our God and we recognize his voice... maybe all of the above?

I know a few witnesses who are "waking up" and questioning GB tyranny but sadly they are leaning toward rejecting religion, the bible and/or God. I can't see myself ever drawing away from Jehovah. I have researched extensively in the past 6 mo. searching for answers and this is the ONLY thing that truly resonates with my soul. Maybe we are just the first to find it. Maybe more will join us. I really hope so. ❤️‍🩹

 

[4JahandChrist]

Good question Kimmy. It's not about intelligence levels as very smart people have gulped down the Kool Aid.

For me it was Jehovah's warnings about not trusting in Earthling man. We don't trust in man since the "whole world is laying in the power of the evil one."

These two principles appear to have been cast aside by many of our Brothers. The Word of man whether being Organizational or Secular has been Idolized and given God-Like status.

Covid for me stripped back the veneer of the Brotherhood and showed who would rush to trust in man or who would wait patiently on Jehovah.

That for me has been the big difference between many on this forum and many in JW.ORG.
....seeing the World for what it is and thus acting with due diligence when it requires something from us.

1Jn 5:19 We are certain that we are of God, but all the world is in the power of the Evil One.

Psa 146:3 Put not your faith in rulers, or in the son of man, in whom there is no salvation.
Psa 146:4 Man's breath goes out, he is turned back again to dust; in that day all his purposes come to an end.
Psa 146:5 Happy is the man who has the God of Jacob for his help, whose hope is in the Lord his God:

Of course that still begs the question.....why did we see those principles and not the others?🤔

 

[The God Pill]

• I believe that the Bible’s prophesies are real;
• i believe the Bible is real (tho i admit i went through very misguided skepticism for awhile;
• i believe Robert is a watchman to proclaim Jehovah’s judgments against Watchtwer before they happen;
• And he has fully done that;
• I see all my former brothers and sisters mindlessly following the Gov Body to a very bitter and tragic place;
• I see a handful of JWs that have rejected this path and were graciously opened up by their God Jehovah, to the prophesies as they truly are meant to be understood.

why question is, what made us different?

In my case one factor I can think of is I saw the corruption really early on literally the same year I first read the Bible with a mind toward eventual baptism (2003 age 8 baptized at 11) I was online and read an article that went into the 2001 Guardian newspapers exposure of the watchtower UN collusion. I knew there were skeletons in the closet as early an age as one could. Shortly before adolescence it became clear to me studying history, politics and religion that every human collective invariably undergoes corruption and entropy given time around the same time I became aware of the masonic element within the society.

2012-2013 was the turning point when the revised new world translation was announced in the video and they described some of the changes and I saw the early stages of transition towards jw broadcasting I knew strongly and intuitively something was wrong and I foresaw it becoming exactly what we've seen in recent years dumbing down, hollowing out, growing more authoritarian and conformist, scandals, declining growth, financial issues all the more clear given how poorly the elders had handled matters when my former bethelite elder father's acts of CSA were exposed as well as the obvious issues of the org's policies when it comes to matters of protecting children.

To me the org was a train at breakneck speed on a track towards falling off a cliff and yes there remained several y intersections where the train could be shifted away from disaster but I knew that whether out of pride or corruption or lacking confidence Jehovah would preserve it through any initial consequences of reform that the leadership would miss every opportunity that remained before it's destruction. The tumor was identifiable I was merely a passenger along for the ride identifying the stages of the cancer patient shooting everyone that suggested they might be Ill and need treatment. A terminal stage where it would finally cross the line from what was once the most respectable religion on earth to the actual cult people make it out to be was/is inevitable.

Then in the summer of 2016 the same time I began researching everything NWO in great earnest I came across Robert's website and read Jehovah has become king for the first time. It gave me a great sense of purpose my spiritual life went from highly devoted to Jehovah but somewhat aimless to centered around a clear framework of how I could be of most use to Jehovah. I could never express how invaluable his presentation of bible prophecy was in my life.

 

[יהוה_saves]

@Asadour I wholeheartedly agree with each of your statements. I've also wondered how relatively few have reached these conclusions and ended up here. Maybe we all share some common deep intuition, maybe because we see through BS, maybe because we have been trampled on throughout our lives and yearn for true justice, we know and love our God and we recognize his voice... maybe all of the above?

I know a few witnesses who are "waking up" and questioning GB tyranny but sadly they are leaning toward rejecting religion, the bible and/or God. I can't see myself ever drawing away from Jehovah. I have researched extensively in the past 6 mo. searching for answers and this is the ONLY thing that truly resonates with my soul. Maybe we are just the first to find it. Maybe more will join us. I really hope so. ❤️‍🩹

i agree. and i was reading more in the book of Jeremiah today and there are just too many parallels to ignore, and the details in these prophesies jump off the pages, don’t they. They all lean into each other too. It’s astounding. and i have been sharing them with other XJWs esp, but also my brother in law who has never been a JW but he is a Christendom Christian. I share them as often as i can and the responses are all very positive; folks are amazed as if reading these scriptures for themselves for the first time with eyes open! Just like i felt the first time i read some of the scriptures like Ezekiel 11:12: you will have to know that I am Jehovah. For you did not walk in my regulations and carry out my judgments, but you have acted in harmony with the judgments of the nations around you.’”

Who has acted in harmony with the JUDGMENTS of the nations around them? Who hasn’t? This is obviously a big deal to Jehovah.

 

[יהוה_saves]

Good question Kimmy. It's not about intelligence levels as very smart people have gulped down the Kool Aid.

For me it was Jehovah's warnings about not trusting in Earthling man. We don't trust in man since the "whole world is laying in the power of the evil one."

These two principles appear to have been cast aside by many of our Brothers. The Word of man whether being Organizational or Secular has been Idolized and given God-Like status.

Covid for me stripped back the veneer of the Brotherhood and showed who would rush to trust in man or who would wait patiently on Jehovah.

That for me has been the big difference between many on this forum and many in JW.ORG.
....seeing the World for what it is and thus acting with due diligence when it requires something from us.

1Jn 5:19 We are certain that we are of God, but all the world is in the power of the Evil One.

Psa 146:3 Put not your faith in rulers, or in the son of man, in whom there is no salvation.
Psa 146:4 Man's breath goes out, he is turned back again to dust; in that day all his purposes come to an end.
Psa 146:5 Happy is the man who has the God of Jacob for his help, whose hope is in the Lord his God:

Of course that still begs the question.....why did we see those principles and not the others?🤔

that is a great point. following men. i am just now starting to understand what that means. At first i thought that in some cases following men was warranted (the Israelite Judges and Kings) but this is entirely different. The Gov Body does take the place of Jehovah’s esp this current Gov Body.

 

[The God Pill]

I apologize if the biography is not that useful. It'd be more productive to identify common elements of everyone. Love of Jehovah is obviously one as well as allegiance to objective truth/external reality over going along to get along

 

[The God Pill]

32 “And those who are acting wickedly against [the] covenant, he will lead into apostasy by means of smooth words. But as regards the people who are knowing their God, they will prevail and act effectively.

 

[4JahandChrist]

that is a great point. following men. i am just now starting to understand what that means. At first i thought that in some cases following men was warranted (the Israelite Judges and Kings) but this is entirely different. The Gov Body does take the place of Jehovah’s esp this current Gov Body.

Absolutely. I have no problem at all with a man instructing me.....just let it be from Jehovah's word.

Our Co Creator Jesus Christ when under temptation said to Satan ...

"It Is Written"

If a human being adds one verse to the Bible he has stepped outside of his role and has become treasonous.

Adding one verse becomes an attack on them all. Loyalty to Jehovah's throne asks that Spiritual teachers use God's word to support their exhortation.

It is not rebellion that has brought here together buy loyalty.

1Co 4:6 My brothers, it is because of you that I have taken Apollos and myself as examples of these things, so that in us you might see that it is not wise to go farther than what is in the holy Writings, so that no one of you may be lifted up against his brother.

 

[Medi-tator]

• I believe that the Bible’s prophesies are real;
• i believe the Bible is real (tho i admit i went through very misguided skepticism for awhile;
• i believe Robert is a watchman to proclaim Jehovah’s judgments against Watchtwer before they happen;
• And he has fully done that;
• I see all my former brothers and sisters mindlessly following the Gov Body to a very bitter and tragic place;
• I see a handful of JWs that have rejected this path and were graciously opened up by their God Jehovah, to the prophesies as they truly are meant to be understood.

why question is, what made us different?

I know what @Brother potato would say and I fully agree. What sets us apart is that we love truth. We are "truthers" LOL. Jehovah is a God of Truth. Once truth is recognized, it is tough, not impossible, but tough to ignore. We have chosen the side of truth.

 

[יהוה_saves]

I know what @Brother potato would say and I fully agree. What sets us apart is that we love truth. We are "truthers" LOL. Jehovah is a God of Truth. Once truth is recognized, it is tough, not impossible, but tough to ignore. We have chosen the side of truth.

you’re so right we are truthers brother @Medi-tator and how are you related to the other tater again? @Brother potato ?

 

[Medi-tator]

you’re so right we are truthers brother @Medi-tator and how are you related to the other tater again? @Brother potato ?

We were surfing buddies in the late '70's and have remained super close besties ever since.

 

[SusanB]

• I believe that the Bible’s prophesies are real;
• i believe the Bible is real (tho i admit i went through very misguided skepticism for awhile;
• i believe Robert is a watchman to proclaim Jehovah’s judgments against Watchtwer before they happen;
• And he has fully done that;
• I see all my former brothers and sisters mindlessly following the Gov Body to a very bitter and tragic place;
• I see a handful of JWs that have rejected this path and were graciously opened up by their God Jehovah, to the prophesies as they truly are meant to be understood.

why question is, what made us different?

We have accepted “the love of the truth” as opposed to those who do not in accordance with 2 Thessalonians 2:10. And, because of that Jehovah has blessed us.

 

[SusanB]

But I will add that many will likely repent after Jehovah disciplines and refines them. So that more will then also accept the love of the truth.

 

[יהוה_saves]

But I will add that many will likely repent after Jehovah has disciplines and refines them. So, that more will then also accept the love of the truth.

i agrée. Many are still waking up as we type. And i believe everything will come out about the shots pretty soon. Someone on this forum said that all will be revealed and cited a scripture (which i can’t recall rn /-. Do you, @Driven ? it says Jehovah will reveal all things or perhaps something close to that.

 

[SusanB]

i agrée. Many are still waking up as we type. And i believe everything will come out about the shots pretty soon. Someone on this forum said that all will be revealed and cited a scripture (which i can’t recall rn /-. Do you, @Driven ? it says Jehovah will reveal all things or perhaps something close to that.

You’re making me work! Okay, Luke 8:17: “For there is nothing hidden that will not become manifest, nor anything carefully concealed that will never become known and not come out in the open.“. My kids always made me jump through hoops too.

 

[יהוה_saves]

You’re making me work! Okay, Luke 8:17: “For there is nothing hidden that will not become manifest, nor anything carefully concealed that will never become known and not come out in the open.“. My kids always made me jump through hoops too.

haha Thank You @Driven. i need to learn how to find these scriptures on my own. hahah. Thank you!!!!! that is it.

 

[LifeLearning]

• I believe that the Bible’s prophesies are real;
• i believe the Bible is real (tho i admit i went through very misguided skepticism for awhile;
• i believe Robert is a watchman to proclaim Jehovah’s judgments against Watchtwer before they happen;
• And he has fully done that;
• I see all my former brothers and sisters mindlessly following the Gov Body to a very bitter and tragic place;
• I see a handful of JWs that have rejected this path and were graciously opened up by their God Jehovah, to the prophesies as they truly are meant to be understood.

my question is, what made us different?

For me, truth and justice is what leads me. When I see, sense or hear a lie I am done. But when I find truth down the rabbit hole I go, no matter how much effort it is.

Skepticism is healthy in my opinion. When I was introduced to scripture as a teen, I spent weeks getting my hands on concordances... examining for myself where the word came from, and how the translations were done. It was not enough for me to just believe because a friend said it is so. If I were not satisfied that the book was Gods word, I would not have read another verse.

For most people, they have other interests. And if things are easy, and get what a person wants easily, most will gravitate that way. Hence the scripture: Go in through the narrow path, for broad and spacious is... the... easy way.

Jesus said, knock seek knock and keep on seeking. I think what he meant was that it is not going to be easy. If you look, and then say, "well I looked but did not find"... then you are right, you tried. If that's enough you are done, and you can go get ice cream. However, WE, us here, I want do say the difference is we want more. For me, my heart longs for justice, but there is none.

Further: (any this is now a diatribe) Many times in my life I recall saying to someone in a higher authority than myself, "It is not fair". And I was told (many times) "Life is not fair, get over it". This attitude has never sit well with me. It is a friendship ender, a deal breaker. I do not accept that, Justice matters. And who do I trust, and love for being just and true: Jehovah and his perfect son.

 

[surfergirl]

Luke 8:17: “For there is nothing hidden that will not become manifest, nor anything carefully concealed that will never become known and not come out in the open.“.

That's very comforting to read. We all want to see justice done, and more people set free!

 

[4JahandChrist]

For most people, they have other interests. And if things are easy, and get what a person wants easily, most will gravitate that way. Hence the scripture: Go in through the narrow path, for broad and spacious is... the... easy way.

Jesus said, knock seek knock and keep on seeking. I think what he meant was that it is not going to be easy. If you look, and then say, "well I looked but did not find"... then you are right, you tried. If that's enough you are done, and you can go get ice cream. However, WE, us here, I want do say the difference is we want more. For me, my heart longs for justice, but there is none.

So true. The path of least resistance is not what our Saviour called us for.

Joh 12:25 Those who love their own life will lose it; those who hate their own life in this world will keep it for life eternal.

Joh 12:26 Whoever wants to serve me must follow me, so that my servant will be with me where I am. And my Father will honor anyone who serves me.

Here is a man doing his best E Jehovah's Witnesses impersonation.