Can anyone help me figure this out? Thank You!

When I was introduced to scripture as a teen, I spent weeks getting my hands on concordances... examining for myself where the word came from, and how the translations were done.
Me too LL. I had Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, The Kingdom Interlinear, The Emphatic Diaglott and the Aid To Bible Understanding which was replaced by Insight On The Scriptures Volumes 1+2. Of course, all those interesting factoids are forgotten now LOL. Back in the '70's it was all about refuting trinitarians, thus all the study we did with the word sourcing in Greek.
 
  • I believe that the Bible’s prophesies are real;
  • i believe the Bible is real (tho i admit i went through very misguided skepticism for awhile;
  • i believe Robert is a watchman to proclaim Jehovah’s judgments against Watchtwer before they happen;
  • And he has fully done that;
  • I see all my former brothers and sisters mindlessly following the Gov Body to a very bitter and tragic place;
  • I see a handful of JWs that have rejected this path and were graciously opened up by their God Jehovah, to the prophesies as they truly are meant to be understood.
my question is, what made us different?
Nothing! Otherwise undeserved kindness would be void.
 
  • I believe that the Bible’s prophesies are real;
  • i believe the Bible is real (tho i admit i went through very misguided skepticism for awhile;
  • i believe Robert is a watchman to proclaim Jehovah’s judgments against Watchtwer before they happen;
  • And he has fully done that;
  • I see all my former brothers and sisters mindlessly following the Gov Body to a very bitter and tragic place;
  • I see a handful of JWs that have rejected this path and were graciously opened up by their God Jehovah, to the prophesies as they truly are meant to be understood.
my question is, what made us different?
Good question!
Perhaps something that only Jehovah can see.
 
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Whether one realizes it or not, God works in a methodical way. His work is accomplished in stages, not unlike the six days of Creation. Israel served God's purpose and then he advanced to the next stage. Christendom served God's purpose too, if only functioning as a placeholder for the Bible. The Watchtower has served God's purpose as well. However, contrary to the accepted dogma, it is not the end of it. There is another, climactic phase to come. That is what I have pointed to. Some of you believe it. The trick is not entirely jettisoning the Watchtower's teachings, as many stumbled JW's have done, but seeing through the smoke to what lies beyond. That is what faith is - seeing what is behind the curtain.
 
Me too LL. I had Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, The Kingdom Interlinear, The Emphatic Diaglott and the Aid To Bible Understanding which was replaced by Insight On The Scriptures Volumes 1+2. Of course, all those interesting factoids are forgotten now LOL. Back in the '70's it was all about refuting trinitarians, thus all the study we did with the word sourcing in Greek.
The close of a good study was the trail of books on the floor?
 
The trick is not entirely jettisoning the Watchtower's teachings, as many stumbled JW's have done,
yes so true that some stumbled JWs have done this. They are angry and bitter but perhaps will come around and make the clear distinction between Jehovah, and the Gov Body. and that’s it!!! that’s why we are here we have made that distinction.

for me, i had to learn some powerful lessons, and accept what is true despite knowing it because of the existence of Watchtower and for that i owe it (and Jesus and Jehovah) a debt of graditute, but i still can’t follow the GB. I only follow Jesus and his superior guidance through Jehovah as we all do. I think.
 
haha Thank You @Driven. i need to learn how to find these scriptures on my own. hahah. Thank you!!!!! that is it.
Lol @Assadour Just as it is written at Luke 11: 9,10 “So I say to you, keep on asking, and it will be given you; keep on seeking, and you will find; keep on knocking, and it will be opened to you. For everyone asking receives, and everyone seeking finds, and to everyone knocking, it will be opened.”
 
Lol @Assadour Just as it is written at Luke 11: 9,10 “So I say to you, keep on asking, and it will be given you; keep on seeking, and you will find; keep on knocking, and it will be opened to you. For everyone asking receives, and everyone seeking finds, and to everyone knocking, it will be opened.”
@Driven- you taking notes? hahaha

yep. that is what it’s all about. Keep seeking and keep asking. Bless Jehovah and his King Jesus Christ. :))))
 
Whether one realizes it or not, God works in a methodical way. His work is accomplished in stages, not unlike the six days of Creation. Israel served God's purpose and then he advanced to the next stage. Christendom served God's purpose too, if only functioning as a placeholder for the Bible. The Watchtower has served God's purpose as well. However, contrary to the accepted dogma, it is not the end of it. There is another, climactic phase to come. That is what I have pointed to. Some of you believe it. The trick is not entirely jettisoning the Watchtower's teachings, as many stumbled JW's have done, but seeing through the smoke to what lies beyond. That is what faith is - seeing what is behind the curtain.
I wonder how much or how many people shucked it all because of the repetition of "to whom shall we go?". It is no excuse but I do still wonder.
 
my question is, what made us different?
I think in large part for me what it really boils down to for those of us that are here really is humility. All of us who spent many years and some their whole lives as one of Jehovah's Witnesses, what we believe becomes a part of our identity. The reason you can show someone absolutely, and factually that they are wrong, and yet they reject the truth right before their eyes, is tied to their pride in their identity. There is a certain unmistakable and usually uncalled for arrogance among Jehovah's Witnesses that I have observed my whole life, especially in my own family up close and personal. Of all the people of earth now over 8 billion, there are still only a tiny minority of people who believe "the truth." It takes incredible humility to admit your wrong. And possibly arrogance is why Ex-JW become atheists. It is puzzling why so many become atheists. Perhaps because part of accepting the truth is realizing how little we actually know, and being okay with the things we do not know.


Satan's entire system is based on taking advantage of our prideful nature. So once so many realize that the WT has lied to them, they think somehow rejecting all the teachings wholesale, in some way redeems their pride. A good salesman knows people make decisions based on their emotions. Selling fear is a powerful motivator. Selling the truth, eh...not so much so it would seem.
 
The trick is not entirely jettisoning the Watchtower's teachings, as many stumbled JW's have done, but seeing through the smoke to what lies beyond.
When I found your site and info, I was so relieved and completely surprised anyone like you, and the rest of us here were even out there. When I watched the first video that I found which was about whether JW's were going to have to take the jab, the first thing I thought is, "this guy must be a witness", in the back of my mind I thought "probably an apostate" and then this was the first time I had this kind of clarity of thought about the GB, I thought, "Oh, all it takes to be an apostate, is to disagree with the GB."

It was both sad and encouraging all at the same time! Like my Father always used to say, "it has the ring of truth to it." And to some those "bells of truth" are music to our ears!!!!!
 
I think it's due to being sincere about the Truth. It may be hard to accept, nonetheless, we accepted it. Plus, it takes effort to put it into practice even if we don't do it perfectly as well as staying awake to the world around us. That exercise of self awareness is challenging since we see things for what they are rather than going on the bandwagon & that it is painful knowing the reality of things. It's as said in scripture:
(Ecclesiastes 1:18) 18 For an abundance of wisdom brings an abundance of frustration, So that whoever increases knowledge increases pain.

(Ecclesiastes 7:11, 12) 11 Wisdom together with an inheritance is a good thing and an advantage to those who see the light of day. 12 For wisdom is a protection just as money is a protection, but the advantage of knowledge is this: Wisdom preserves the life of its owner.
 
When I found your site and info, I was so relieved and completely surprised anyone like you, and the rest of us here were even out there. When I watched the first video that I found which was about whether JW's were going to have to take the jab, the first thing I thought is, "this guy must be a witness", in the back of my mind I thought "probably an apostate" and then this was the first time I had this kind of clarity of thought about the GB, I thought, "Oh, all it takes to be an apostate, is to disagree with the GB."

It was both sad and encouraging all at the same time! Like my Father always used to say, "it has the ring of truth to it." And to some those "bells of truth" are music to our ears!!!!!
the very first essay i read of Robert’s was his KINGDOM BULLETIN #19 after i performed a precise duck duck go search- and i was at the end of the road and the end of my rope. There were no more places for me to try, so when i read KB19 i was shocked at how well it was written and how thoroughly it captured every detail of what i was thinking, asking, wondering, worried about, upset about, what was weighing heavily upon me, what I was concerned about. Half way in i just felt this joy and excitement because all my questions were being answered. then when i started reading the bible, i realized how much of it was just flat out new to me- scriptures i never read before, concepts i never considered before, words of Jehovah i never knew existed, all of it was opening up before my very eyes. Jehovah was revealing truths to me that were kept hidden both by and from Watchtower. The scriptures all fit like a lego kit- so precise and intricately connected. It all made sense. Everything makes sense.

I need to keep a journal of my favorite scriptures because i keep forgetting where to find them.

i still have a ton of anxiety to deal with though.
 
@Nomex sorry was rambling on above. Yes i believe you are right about having humility. The brothers who are in leadership positions seem to have checked their humility out to the Gov Body. Some are more arrogant than others but there seems to be a real arrogant streak running through the leadership rn.
 
There is a certain unmistakable and usually uncalled for arrogance among Jehovah's Witnesses that I have observed my whole life, especially in my own family up close and personal. Of all the people of earth now over 8 billion, there are still only a tiny minority of people who believe "the truth."
I have really been noticing this lately. The arrogance is unmistakable, but not that long ago I was under the spell of thinking JWs were hand picked by Jehovah and given special insight and protection etc etc. I was listening to a meeting recently and the brother giving the prayer said "Out of the billions and billions of people on this planet you chose us." Now, I've heard that before and thought it was a statement of gratitude and humility, but this time it struck me as WOW how arrogant to think you are that special out of billions.

Add to that, once you start questioning doctrine, they almost immediately stop treating you like a human. Even close family and people you have known your entire life. Even when I was completely under the spell, I really struggled with shunning. I felt guilty for talking to DFd people, but I did because they were humans who deserved to be treated with compassion, not looked down on like they didn't deserve to exist.
the very first essay i read of Robert’s was his KINGDOM BULLETIN #19 after i performed a precise duck duck go search- and i was at the end of the road and the end of my rope
Exactly the same for me. I searched Jehovah's witnesses vaccine and clicked on KINGDOM BULLETIN #19 and BOOM, that was the beginning of the unraveling. With each article and video by on e-watchman I felt something I haven't felt in years... maybe decades... the scales falling off my eyes. As you said, I found new meaning and significance from the scriptures that blew me away and filled a spiritual need that had been lacking for so long because I only limited my research to WT publications. I am so glad I took the "dangerous" leap to research outside.

BUT like @PJ54 quoted Ecclesiastes 1:18 - For an abundance of wisdom brings an abundance of frustration, So that whoever increases knowledge increases pain.

This in-between space is very painful. So incredibly painful. I want to share what I have learned, but if I do I will no longer be a human worthy of consideration to my entire network of friends and family. I tried to share something with my mother and this was her reply. "Well I guess you're an apostate now. Sorry, I guess we really crapped out as parents." How do you even reply to that? 😭
(now I'm the one rambling)
 
I have really been noticing this lately. The arrogance is unmistakable, but not that long ago I was under the spell of thinking JWs were hand picked by Jehovah and given special insight and protection etc etc. I was listening to a meeting recently and the brother giving the prayer said "Out of the billions and billions of people on this planet you chose us." Now, I've heard that before and thought it was a statement of gratitude and humility, but this time it struck me as WOW how arrogant to think you are that special out of billions.

Add to that, once you start questioning doctrine, they almost immediately stop treating you like a human. Even close family and people you have known your entire life. Even when I was completely under the spell, I really struggled with shunning. I felt guilty for talking to DFd people, but I did because they were humans who deserved to be treated with compassion, not looked down on like they didn't deserve to exist.

Exactly the same for me. I searched Jehovah's witnesses vaccine and clicked on KINGDOM BULLETIN #19 and BOOM, that was the beginning of the unraveling. With each article and video by on e-watchman I felt something I haven't felt in years... maybe decades... the scales falling off my eyes. As you said, I found new meaning and significance from the scriptures that blew me away and filled a spiritual need that had been lacking for so long because I only limited my research to WT publications. I am so glad I took the "dangerous" leap to research outside.

BUT like @PJ54 quoted Ecclesiastes 1:18 - For an abundance of wisdom brings an abundance of frustration, So that whoever increases knowledge increases pain.

This in-between space is very painful. So incredibly painful. I want to share what I have learned, but if I do I will no longer be a human worthy of consideration to my entire network of friends and family. I tried to share something with my mother and this was her reply. "Well I guess you're an apostate now. Sorry, I guess we really crapped out as parents." How do you even reply to that? 😭
(now I'm the one rambling)
Sorry that was the case with your mom. Just remember when Jesus walked the earth, the Israelites considered him as a blasphemous apostate, even though everything he did was backed up by evidence form God Himself. The scripture makes this point clear:
(Isaiah 28:19) 19 As often as it passes through, It will sweep you away; For it will pass through morning after morning, During the day and during the night. Only terror will make them understand what was heard.”
 
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