Christians attitude about the NWO

[Watchman]

Don't know if that is the case as the dual horned beast gives breath to the image of the beast. Without that beast the image couldn't exist. In fact the demise of the image would likely result when the two horned beast comes to its end. At least I think that is the case. Could be wrong.

I say this because the image of the beast is illusionary it has only a vision but no real foundation that could keep it alive. No real functioning constitution with God at the root. It would quickly dissolve with no supporting structure. It's a hippies dream that can never survive on its own.

Very likely why it only rules for an "hour"... even when it does its on life support by the 10 kings.

The beast comes back to life after it is killed. That has not happened yet. The WT claims this took place during the First World War, which is absurd. The reason the eighth king cannot possibly be ruling yet is because the "one-hour" of its reign is the hour of judgment for the world when people will be marked with the irrevocable 666 mark of doom. I have written quite a bit on this topic over the years. Here a few links

The Eighth King

______________ “And the wild beast that was but is not, it is also itself an eighth king, but springs from the seven, and it goes off into destruction.” -Revelation 17:11-

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Has the United Nations become the eighth king?

Part Four in the series of articles reviewing the July 2022 Watchtower. Picking up with paragraphs 11 and 12 combined: 11-12. Second, as represented by the feet of the immense image, Anglo-America

e-watchman.com

What is the meaning of the beast rising from the earth?

QUESTION: In view of your latest article on the new world order, how does Revelation 13:11-16 fit in? ANSWER: Revelation 13:11-17 states: “Then I saw another wild beast ascending out of the earth, and it

e-watchman.com

Has the wild beast received the fatal head wound?

Tuesday, September 8 God . . . will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed.—Dan. 2:44. The Bible Students spent decades pointing out that the year 1914 would be significant. Many people at that time were optimistic. As one

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[Wayback is your friend]

The beast comes back to life after it is killed. That has not happened yet. The WT claims this took place during the First World War, which is absurd. The reason the eighth king cannot possibly be ruling yet is because the "one-hour" of its reign is the hour of judgment for the world when people will be marked with the irrevocable 666 mark of doom. I have written quite a bit on this topic over the years. Here a few links

The Eighth King

______________ “And the wild beast that was but is not, it is also itself an eighth king, but springs from the seven, and it goes off into destruction.” -Revelation 17:11-

e-watchman.com

Has the United Nations become the eighth king?

Part Four in the series of articles reviewing the July 2022 Watchtower. Picking up with paragraphs 11 and 12 combined: 11-12. Second, as represented by the feet of the immense image, Anglo-America

e-watchman.com

What is the meaning of the beast rising from the earth?

QUESTION: In view of your latest article on the new world order, how does Revelation 13:11-16 fit in? ANSWER: Revelation 13:11-17 states: “Then I saw another wild beast ascending out of the earth, and it

e-watchman.com

Has the wild beast received the fatal head wound?

Tuesday, September 8 God . . . will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed.—Dan. 2:44. The Bible Students spent decades pointing out that the year 1914 would be significant. Many people at that time were optimistic. As one

e-watchman.com

The beast you refer to you think is the world power? Foremost power. Not the image of the beast? I get the impression the 8th king is the image that falls then is resurrected as it were.

As far as the 8th king ruling "one hour" and those receiving the mark. You think those will be officially done? I tend to think as Jesus stated that as in the days of Noah people would be taking no note... Another words it would not be completely apparent.. it would come as a snare.. that's why I think it could be occurring even now as we speak as evil manifests itself throughout the earth.

 

[Watchman]

The beast you refer to you think is the world power? Foremost power. Not the image of the beast?

The image of the beast is the same thing as the eighth king. The WT has that much right. But since the image of the beast is not fabricated until after the head of the wild beast is killed and then revives, the image/eighth king does not exist presently.

 

[Wayback is your friend]

The image of the beast is the same thing as the eighth king. The WT has that much right. But since the image of the beast is not fabricated until after the head of the wild beast is killed and then revives, the image/eighth king does not exist presently.

Sorry don't see you eye to eye on this. Maybe I hope it is the way I see it. But I also believe there is ample evidence to show the 8th king is active and in fact ruling. Everything all of us are disturbed by and all the cultural assaults are the result of this king. The attack on the family, religion, on life, etc... can go on and on. Then the globalist input on norms erasing traditional concepts all the work of this 8th king. That's how I see it.. they are taking the power everyone is giving them internationally. Or maybe imposed power. Power nonetheless.

It is even a form of power that tries to convince you that it does not exist when it does. Like the org would never acknowledge its participation on the globalists agenda but we all know it is happening. This shows how much power the 8th king actually has. Even enough to control the faith we all were once a part of but have now separated because of this king.

 

[alan ford]

should we try to awake people about their evil 2030 agenda?

The whole of Satan's system is tuned since the begining to break our will. Our God-given free will, and our will to even live. How many times did you hear people say things like "take me off this planet" or similar?
If you follow the media (medium, anyone?) It's easy to see why, with all the headlines, reports and opinions we see today. It's like an insight into the beast's mind. You recognize its strategy. It preoccupies our mind and puts it into a constant mode of survival. Wants to make us forget our hope for the sake of preserving flesh. It's pure evil. When I see it, I realize the importance of not being a part of this world, even though we're in it.

People will be awake to the fact regardless. And most will still choose to follow the beast. Are we supposed to warn them or appeal to their hearts by witnessing for Jesus? By constantly focusing on how they are implementing the thing, we lose the perspective and our priorities shift... Matthew 6:33, 34 comes to mind.

 

[SingleCell]

“If anyone is to go into captivity, into captivity they will go. If anyone is to be killed with the sword, with the sword they will be killed.” This calls for patient endurance and faithfulness on the part of God’s people."

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This verse directly answers the question OP - note this isn't a judgement but prediction of the outcome.

If you physically fight against the 8th king you'll be killed, but remember the 'weapons of our warfare' aren't physical. This will be a big distinction I'd think. The Covid world was a preview of what is coming IMO

So "to the camps" or hide (unless you're BagdadBill) and according to Zephaniah "Probably you will be concealed on the day of Jehovah’s anger"

 

[Watchman]

Sorry don't see you eye to eye on this. Maybe I hope it is the way I see it. But I also believe there is ample evidence to show the 8th king is active and in fact ruling. Everything all of us are disturbed by and all the cultural assaults are the result of this king. The attack on the family, religion, on life, etc... can go on and on. Then the globalist input on norms erasing traditional concepts all the work of this 8th king. That's how I see it.. they are taking the power everyone is giving them internationally. Or maybe imposed power. Power nonetheless.

It is even a form of power that tries to convince you that it does not exist when it does. Like the org would never acknowledge its participation on the globalists agenda but we all know it is happening. This shows how much power the 8th king actually has. Even enough to control the faith we all were once a part of but have now separated because of this king.

The globalists are in the process of destroying the nation-state system in order to get their new world order. It is not a done deal yet though. Obviously they are working on it. I believe we are in the phase depicted in prophecy where an eleventh horn gradually emerges among the ten-horned beast. The 11th horn grows and gets bigger and ultimately plucks out three of the established horns. That has not happened yet.

The Spanish Armada or World War III?

Article originally appeared on e-Watchman in 2007 While recent developments may cause some of Jehovah’s Witnesses to imagine that the ferocious Russian bear may now be emerging from hibernation to renew its supposed role as the prophetic king of the north, the truth is that the Watchtower’s...

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[BagdadBill]

It will be unmistakable. The Anglo-American system has to collapse, suffering the symbolic fatal head wound.

Thank you for the reply. It seems to me that there is so much to pay attention to right now that my mind has been a blur for the last three years. Hard to believe that I have to state to people that this covid nonsense has been going for that long. I would have thought that more people would have woken up by now. Maybe they have but are stunned into silence.

 

[alan ford]

Sorry don't see you eye to eye on this. Maybe I hope it is the way I see it. But I also believe there is ample evidence to show the 8th king is active and in fact ruling. Everything all of us are disturbed by and all the cultural assaults are the result of this king. The attack on the family, religion, on life, etc... can go on and on. Then the globalist input on norms erasing traditional concepts all the work of this 8th king. That's how I see it.. they are taking the power everyone is giving them internationally. Or maybe imposed power. Power nonetheless.

It is even a form of power that tries to convince you that it does not exist when it does. Like the org would never acknowledge its participation on the globalists agenda but we all know it is happening. This shows how much power the 8th king actually has. Even enough to control the faith we all were once a part of but have now separated because of this king.

Deception is the name of the game.

 

[Soul Sage]

We been living in a psuedo new world order since the COVID fearmongering. Fear perpetuates control in the name of safety and Satan has been using that strategy all throughout history. A lot of JW's are ignorant on politics. Claiming neutrality is feigning passiveness out of ignorance. It was made very apparent today in today's Watchtower study. Claiming democrat elected government like in the US and Europe promotes clay like events because they allow protests. So what does that say about China? They don't allow protests so they're made of iron? It's crazy how deceived they are. Clay like means bad politics and policies that hurt the nation. Such as open border policy's, sending tons of tax payer money to Ukraine war, government regulations that hinder prosperity such as ESG regulations and things that divide people based on race, as well as the degeneracy of the people in power, a weak old president with Biden and other crazy politicians that bring more economical destruction and halting pipelines from such delusions of climate change. I even heard a comment about the capital riot protest being an example of this which was laughably ignorant. As it was stirred up by a bunch of feds yet the media blames MAGA. Plenty of evidence is seen of this but the many ignorant JW who claim to be neutral on politics has no idea that they are being told misinformation from project mockingbird media, especially when it comes to politics. I had to facepalm so many times on the watchtower study today. It just proves that "the elect" are deceived about the plan that the world elite have. Even Jehovah understands this. As he would have to deliver his hand before all his followers get trapped into that trap of safety and security when really it's the very thing that is meant to kill them. The vaccine was the perfect proof of this. Hopefully this COVID fearmongering propaganda was a big enough wake up call. But probably not, people are way too dumbed down and stupid.

 

[alan ford]

Thank you for the reply. It seems to me that there is so much to pay attention to right now that my mind has been a blur for the last three years. Hard to believe that I have to state to people that this covid nonsense has been going for that long. I would have thought that more people would have woken up by now. Maybe they have but are stunned into silence.

Most people are (or want to be) over the whole covid thing but the media constantly tries to revive it. First they tried to break us by fear, now they want to incite rage. In both cases they are the ones in control.

 

[alan ford]

Sorry don't see you eye to eye on this. Maybe I hope it is the way I see it. But I also believe there is ample evidence to show the 8th king is active and in fact ruling. Everything all of us are disturbed by and all the cultural assaults are the result of this king. The attack on the family, religion, on life, etc... can go on and on. Then the globalist input on norms erasing traditional concepts all the work of this 8th king. That's how I see it.. they are taking the power everyone is giving them internationally. Or maybe imposed power. Power nonetheless.

It is even a form of power that tries to convince you that it does not exist when it does. Like the org would never acknowledge its participation on the globalists agenda but we all know it is happening. This shows how much power the 8th king actually has. Even enough to control the faith we all were once a part of but have now separated because of this king.

My question would be who presently represents the two horned beast that gives breath to the image that represents the 8th king?

 

[SusanB]

Sorry don't see you eye to eye on this. Maybe I hope it is the way I see it. But I also believe there is ample evidence to show the 8th king is active and in fact ruling. Everything all of us are disturbed by and all the cultural assaults are the result of this king. The attack on the family, religion, on life, etc... can go on and on. Then the globalist input on norms erasing traditional concepts all the work of this 8th king. That's how I see it.. they are taking the power everyone is giving them internationally. Or maybe imposed power. Power nonetheless.

It is even a form of power that tries to convince you that it does not exist when it does. Like the org would never acknowledge its participation on the globalists agenda but we all know it is happening. This shows how much power the 8th king actually has. Even enough to control the faith we all were once a part of but have now separated because of this king.

I think you may be confusing the King of the North with the 8th King. Certainly the 8th King may include the King of the North because it will then be a global government and different from the governments we see ruling today, which all have national limits. But no doubt the push for globalism by the King of the North will give rise to the 8th King.

 

[SusanB]

Most people are (or want to be) over the whole covid thing but the media constantly tries to revive it. First they tried to break us by fear, now they want to incite rage. In both cases they are the ones in control.

I disagree. There are many who either are damaged or have loved ones who were killed or damaged who will not let go of the COVID thing until the perpetrators are brought to justice. And, there are many who do not want to see it repeated.

 

[alan ford]

I disagree. There are many who either are damaged or have loved ones who were killed or damaged who will not let go of the COVID thing until the perpetrators are brought to justice. And, there are many who do not want to see it repeated.

I don't deny, there are many indeed, but they are not the most.

 

[SusanB]

I don't deny, there are many indeed, but they are not the most.

It would be interesting to know for sure. I’m working today but perhaps tomorrow I can do a poll. It might be a fun exercise.

 

[BARNABY THE DOG.]

Don't know if that is the case as the dual horned beast gives breath to the image of the beast. Without that beast the image couldn't exist. In fact the demise of the image would likely result when the two horned beast comes to its end. At least I think that is the case. Could be wrong.

I say this because the image of the beast is illusionary it has only a vision but no real foundation that could keep it alive. No real functioning constitution with God at the root. It would quickly dissolve with no supporting structure. It's a hippies dream that can never survive on its own.

Very likely why it only rules for an "hour"... even when it does its on life support by the 10 kings. In fact it's description "the disgusting thing that causes desolation" is likely because it is incapable of doing anything productive. It's a flawed concept.

Interesting point, though the intricacies of prophesy are not a strong point with me. When the end comes, sustaining some sort of cohesive understanding of what is coming next in the lifting of the veil is somewhat beyond me. What I do know, is that it boils down to a choice between Satan and Christ and that the choice is made in the face of death. That is in itself a conundrum, because to choose life means death and to choose death means life even if you die. All of it is built on the two pillars of love of righteousness and faith to the extent that one would lay down his life for it. Essentially, it is mirrored in the temptation of Christ - “Bow down before me and I shall give you all the kingdoms of the earth”. The vocabulary of the beast has not changed much. What It says now is “Join me and I will feed you and let you live. If you don’t then you can neither buy or sell anything.” Implying death then. Thus you can buy your life and loose your life or sell your life and be given life. Not much has changed these last six thousand years. Fortunately for now, in this system of things, we all die. When one has lived long enough to have ‘had a life’, then the inevitability of death and the fear of it begins to diminish as a valid reason to remain alive. By that I mean that the business of living becomes less attractive, being full of pains both physical and mental, and letting go becomes an option. I feel sorry for the younger ones who are still full of life and have yet to see the vacuum to meaningful accomplishment that this world presently offers. Fear is of the moment. Hope is of eternity. The young do not know that as yet. As Jesus said to Thomas, “You have seen and believed. Blessed are those that have not seen, yet believe.” The older one gets, the greater the comfort those words of Jesus become. Prophesy bows down and gives way to their meaning.

 

[Deborah]

This thread brings to my mind Ecclesiastes 12:13 and 14

The conclusion of the matter, everything having been heard, is: Fear the [true] God and keep his commandments. For this is the whole obligation of man.

For the [true] God himself will bring every sort of work into the judgment in relation to every hidden thing, as to whether it is good or bad.

Not disputing anything about warning others etc.
Scripture just popped into my mind.

 

[CyndiaS]

As already said by The God Pill

If you point people to the conspiracy and all demonic agenda to destroy the world and say..."let's join forces to counter and stop all satanic conspiracy"...you are not being neutral, as you trust in man and the power of the world to solve all problems.

But if you point out the conspiracy and every demonic agenda to destroy the world and lead people to trust in Jehovah and his anointed one... then you are being neutral towards this world.

Neutrality is not in keeping quiet about the things that happen and will happen, but in where we put our trust.

 

[The God Pill]

Neutrality is the wrong term Satan would love for us to be neutral as we wouldn't stand for the kingdom. Neutrality would mean compliance even if something crosses the spiritual line. If anything Neutrality seems more about the Witchtower maintaining 501c3 status and not irritating the beast than anything. It would be more appropriate to say that whatever our individual political preferences or perceived optimal prescriptions we do not advocate human rulership nor do we support any king/politician over ourselves outside Jehovah's clear selection. Neutrality would mean we don't even verbally oppose evil when it comes to moral issues like abortion, genocide, or restricting freedom of worship or governments requiring improper acts of worship.