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BARNABY THE DOG. said:
No, I don’t have the magazines - are they open to read on watchtower site or do you have to be a “member” still with secret log-in? Moses was certainly favoured by Jehovah. I don’t envy those that are close to Jehovah - I have too many doubts about my own dubious qualities to envy the position of others given them by Jehovah. “Seat yourself at the lowest table“ is sound advice. There is plenty of space, no one bothers you, the food is the same as that served on the top table, and you can only ever be asked to move upward as there is no seat below yours! Although one cannot be lax about their behaviour and dedication on the bottom rung, any ‘elevation’ can only be felt to be genuinely earned and therefore not assumed upon one’s self. Something that the GB may like to contemplate for themselves.
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Lowest position in most things in life is always the easiest place to get to 🤗
 
Proverbs 14 v 15 said:
Lowest position in most things in life is always the easiest place to get to 🤗
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I have just read the magazine - thanks for the reference. I can’t say it has enlivened my day! It basically says that the anointed will go to heaven and rule, and that those in earth will be “looked after”, - like leaving your dog in a kennel while you go on holiday. It does not speak of qualifications required to live the life promised us. Nothing about faith, endurance, the love of one another that Paul H was talking about in his comment the other day, caring for the widow and those impoverished - for that matter, the anointed also. This is largely the issue with watchtower, it’s all about action and reaction, nothing of content and developing the fruits of the spirit within ourselves for the simple love of righteousness. Trusting in others, doing as we are told are not required of us primarily. There has to be a motivator within us for those things to be appreciated with understanding. Developing love of and for the attributes of Spirit are required, because without that, we have no knowledge or understanding of the entitlement to life.
 
MickHewitt said:
I wasn't being encouraged or feeling incited to good works at my kingdom hall: I have had more incitement to love and good works and encouragement from meeting here. The conversations are edifying also certain topics we discuss would not be allowed at KH for being classed as apostate. Christ's sanctuary was home with His witnesses. Dan8:11 we are on the eve of it being thrown down by Christ himself. I am blessed with much understanding thanks to studying with them: Isa1:21 before she became a prostitute she was faithful and full of justice, righteousness used to lodge in her. Psalm 36:6 'Your righteousness is like majestic mountains* (footnote: Lit...."Like mountains of God)"'. Perhaps pertaining to the symbolic mountains we are to flee?
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I thouroughly think this scripture describes us here Isa10:20 I will paraphrase it. The survivors of Watchtower the ones left over after being struck and hurt by their wicked direction will no longer follow them but they will support themselves upon the Holy One of Israel instead!
 
MickHewitt said:
I thouroughly think this scripture describes us here Isa10:20 I will paraphrase it. The survivors of Watchtower the ones left over after being struck and hurt by their wicked direction will no longer follow them but they will support themselves upon the Holy One of Israel instead!
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20 And it will certainly occur in that day that those remaining over of Israel and those who have escaped of the house of Jacob will never again support themselves upon the one striking them, and they will certainly support themselves upon Jehovah, the Holy One of Israel, in trueness. 21 A mere remnant will return, the remnant of Jacob, to the Mighty God. 22 For although your people, O Israel, would prove to be like the grains of sand of the sea, a mere remnant among them will return. An extermination decided upon will be flooding through in righteousness, 23 because an exterminating and a strict decision the Sovereign Lord, Jehovah of armies, will be executing in the midst of the whole land.
 
LifeLearning said:
20 And it will certainly occur in that day that those remaining over of Israel and those who have escaped of the house of Jacob will never again support themselves upon the one striking them, and they will certainly support themselves upon Jehovah, the Holy One of Israel, in trueness. 21 A mere remnant will return, the remnant of Jacob, to the Mighty God. 22 For although your people, O Israel, would prove to be like the grains of sand of the sea, a mere remnant among them will return. An extermination decided upon will be flooding through in righteousness, 23 because an exterminating and a strict decision the Sovereign Lord, Jehovah of armies, will be executing in the midst of the whole land.
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Oh wow, that's such food for thought.. so are we here escaping the house of Jacob?
 
MickHewitt said:
I thouroughly think this scripture describes us here Isa10:20 I will paraphrase it. The survivors of Watchtower the ones left over after being struck and hurt by their wicked direction will no longer follow them but they will support themselves upon the Holy One of Israel instead!
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I wish I could articulate this better: I find a sort of type-anti type with how it was for Nehemiah. He "proceeded to ask them (his brothers) about the Jews, those who had escaped, who had been left over of the captivity, and also about Jerusalem"

Nehemiah, unlike the prophets was not commissioned directly by Jehovah. He desired to re-build the house of Jehovah, and took action, using his role in the world, working for the king, in doing so.

Today building the house of Jehovah, under the new covenant would mean building the body of Christ. That is why I have been appealing to the (real) anointed. The watchtower for it's part orchestrated a search for those sheep (in this type: the materials for constructing the house) with the urgency of a false perosea. Whereas Nehemiah did so with support of edict from the king. There was opposition. He did what he could, and accomplished a lot. In the end he said:

Do remember me, O my God, for good.
 
LifeLearning said:
I wish I could articulate this better: I find a sort of type-anti type with how it was for Nehemiah. He "proceeded to ask them (his brothers) about the Jews, those who had escaped, who had been left over of the captivity, and also about Jerusalem"

Nehemiah, unlike the prophets was not commissioned directly by Jehovah. He desired to re-build the house of Jehovah, and took action, using his role in the world, working for the king, in doing so.

Today building the house of Jehovah, under the new covenant would mean building the body of Christ. That is why I have been appealing to the (real) anointed. The watchtower for it's part orchestrated a search for those sheep (in this type: the materials for constructing the house) with the urgency of a false perosea. Whereas Nehemiah did so with support of edict from the king. There was opposition. He did what he could, and accomplished a lot. In the end he said:

Do remember me, O my God, for good.
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Wow! you are taking me further in understanding prophetic parallels: Nice one LL
 
Proverbs 14 v 15 said:
Also, that scripture you cited Mick, the whole chapter is an eye opener, talking about the faithful city and how it will become like a big tree with withering leaves and like a garden without water! Things are only starting to make sense to me now I have this "alternative" understanding of the Watchtower organisation, but I want to make sure that I'm not just using scriptures and "making them fit" this new understanding.. like the Watchtower is often accused of doing.. but I do really feel like Jehovah grabbed me and stopped me going along with the Watchtower and pointed me in another direction. I know it sounds a bit mad but that's how it feels. If I've got it all wrong, I have enough faith in Jehovah that he'll "correct" my thinking 🤔
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Great attitude; It can only do you well. Thanks for your input. Your understanding of scripture will not only help you but the rest of us here. Good reading to you Proverbs.
 
Proverbs 14 v 15 said:
What's the two witnesses prophecy please?
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Revelation of Christ and the Two Witnesses

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BARNABY THE DOG. said:
Surely it is a contradiction when the bible says that the very stones will cry out if the preaching were not done, that the anointed are silent at this time?
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More testimony to His own humility making us great Ps18:35...Instead of as you rightly say 'using stones' He has used us. He has gone down the lanes because of the ones He originally invited to the evening meal refused to come Luke14:16-24
 
MickHewitt said:
More testimony to His own humility making us great Ps18:35...Instead of as you rightly say 'using stones' He has used us. He has gone down the lanes because of the ones He originally invited to the evening meal refused to come Luke14:16-24
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I find it rather confusing in the great scheme of things. Yes, the bible says that when “two or three are gathered together, there I shall be”, but in this sense of a world wide witness? That does not diminish the value of the site, but I tend to think the point has already been made in watchtower. I think of this site as a provision, that keeps the truth alive for those searching - a reward for diligence in searching because relatively speaking, we are “two or three”, and without doubt, He is here. That much is a certainty because otherwise there would be no message, sanctuary and essentially, no witness. Maybe we are stones talking among ourselves.
 
BARNABY THE DOG. said:
I find it rather confusing in the great scheme of things. Yes, the bible says that when “two or three are gathered together, there I shall be”, but in this sense of a world wide witness? That does not diminish the value of the site, but I tend to think the point has already been made in watchtower. I think of this site as a provision, that keeps the truth alive for those searching - a reward for diligence in searching because relatively speaking, we are “two or three”, and without doubt, He is here. That much is a certainty because otherwise there would be no message, sanctuary and essentially, no witness. Maybe we are stones talking among ourselves.
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I like your statement about this group helps to keep us alive spiritually! So so true! I really was "dying" and life was becoming so dark due to me not "understanding" what was going on in the Org. Thank you a watcher for finding me in that gutter of a group exjw 🤗🤗🤗
 
Innocent as Doves said:
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Revelation of Christ and the Two Witnesses

The return of Jesus Christ will be the most profound occurrence of all time. Christ’s revelation will set into motion a chain if events that will forever change the affairs of men on earth. But what exactly is the revelation of Christ? As the word implies, the revelation has to do
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Thanks for putting this up. I listened to it but only understood a teeny bit, so I'll have to listen again. What I don't understand is if 1914, the Jesus's Parosia etc are all wrong, why did Jehovah choose Russell so start the preaching and teaching work? 🤔
 
Proverbs 14 v 15 said:
Thanks for putting this up. I listened to it but only understood a teeny bit, so I'll have to listen again. What I don't understand is if 1914, the Jesus's Parosia etc are all wrong, why did Jehovah choose Russell so start the preaching and teaching work? 🤔
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If you change the word “choose” to “use”, it generally gives a better understanding in meaning. People searching for Jehovah, “whilst He may still be found” is indicative (in my opinion) of Jehovah “using” people who are correctly motivated. Why choose someone whom is unmotivated? Why not use someone already looking. Russell was motivated to seek truth. He spent his own money , printing, publishing, discussing, making himself available and so on - even providing premises in which to do these things. Yet like all men, things can go to one’s head - stubbornness, set ideas, unwillingness to listen, power, self importance. The exact same is evident today in watchtower. The prime motivator is dried up, humility along with it.

I think the issue has to do with faith. To “choose“ someone would not only sway the balance of accusation that Satan offers about choice, and would indicate both protection of the person, along side the assumption of favouritism on behalf of Jehovah. Think Job. Thus voluntary involvement may be more critical than one might assume. Blessing the effort, clearing the way so to speak, is a reward and therein the lines may blur to the onlooker thinking it may be because they are “chosen”. I may be wrong - it’s just the way I see things. People coming to Jehovah in faith can be rewarded for faith. Being chosen signifies protection and the scriptures make this clear in that even those whom may be chosen, (invited) might not necessarily be ratified in that position. We must ask ourselves why that may be. In my thinking, it would be because they fail to live up to a given standard - in other words, the onus of faith is upon the person. Thus being chosen, say as in anointed, would be no more than being offered a place if one proves worthy of it. That does not indicate help, but a pointer in the right direction for those seeking it. “Seek and you shall find”. “Earn” the reward. It indicates work on or behalf, not that we are given a helping hand, even though our pathway may be made easier through our own effort, it is not necessarily due to being chosen, but “used”. One might even say that it’s an exploitation of one’s zeal. And what better source of enthusiasm for the truth is there to exploit for the good of mankind than Zeal? That is an honour to be be used in that way. But is not favouritism or choosing, but to put one’s self in the way of being acceptable to Jehovah through Christ.
 
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