EUROPE IMMINENT COLLAPSE

Truth_Seeker

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European union had a choice here. Either to let Russia increase its political influence over Europe and still have cheap gas, or stand up against Russia and face the uncertainty and volatility of energy prices. In the beginning France and Germany had a softer approach in regards to the Russian invasion in Ukraine, but under de American and British pressure they eventually decided to stand up against Russia. Vladimir Putin counted on his leverage that he had over Europe through energy and rare minerals supplies, but he's got it wrong this time. Freedom, even in this world terms, has a price. Now it's a waiting game to see who blinks first or collapses first. Two different ideologies and cultures.
 
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Cherry

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European union had a choice here. Either to let Russia increase its political influence over Europe and still have cheap gas, or stand up against Russia and face the uncertainty and volatility of energy prices. In the beginning France and Germany had a softer approach in regards to the Russian invasion in Ukraine, but under de American and British pressure they eventually decided to stand up against Russia. Vladimir Putin counted on his leverage that he had over Europe through energy and rare minerals supplies, but he's got it wrong this time. Freedom, even in this world terms, has a price. Now it's a waiting game to see who blinks first or collapses first. Two different ideologies and cultures.
I agree with you, but at this point, I think there is more involved. This is the end of the elite that has dominated up to this point. Russia and the BRICS are showing that they have lost their fear of the ruling caste. They are making a power struggle, and this time the elite is going to lose it. We are witnessing the war between globalists and patriots. He who is not able to see how patriotism is being exalted at the moment is that he is blind.

It is not just an economic issue. The elite not only want to continue with power and wealth, but they have also set out to drastically reduce the world's population, by implementing their satanic 2030 agenda. What they are doing is plain to see. Let's remember what Jesus said, "unless the days are shortened, no one will be saved." The global patriotic alliance that is being created with Russia and China at the head will stop their plans. Of course, Christ is in control.
 

Truth_Seeker

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I agree with you, but at this point, I think there is more involved. This is the end of the elite that has dominated up to this point. Russia and the BRICS are showing that they have lost their fear of the ruling caste. They are making a power struggle, and this time the elite is going to lose it. We are witnessing the war between globalists and patriots. He who is not able to see how patriotism is being exalted at the moment is that he is blind.

It is not just an economic issue. The elite not only want to continue with power and wealth, but they have also set out to drastically reduce the world's population, by implementing their satanic 2030 agenda. What they are doing is plain to see. Let's remember what Jesus said, "unless the days are shortened, no one will be saved." The global patriotic alliance that is being created with Russia and China at the head will stop their plans. Of course, Christ is in control.
All of these can be true, I prefer to wait and see if it happens in my lifetime. However, the last kingdom which I believe it will be a world confederation of states, can be either far right or far left orientated. Both ideologies have a proven track record of fighting against Jehovah and Christ.
 

Sunshower

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European union had a choice here. Either to let Russia increase its political influence over Europe and still have cheap gas, or stand up against Russia and face the uncertainty and volatility of energy prices. In the beginning France and Germany had a softer approach in regards to the Russian invasion in Ukraine, but under de American and British pressure they eventually decided to stand up against Russia. Vladimir Putin counted on his leverage that he had over Europe through energy and rare minerals supplies, but he's got it wrong this time. Freedom, even in this world terms, has a price. Now it's a waiting game to see who blinks first or collapses first. Two different ideologies and cultures.
You are making a mistake in your thinking there. Putin knew Europe would stick with NATO. He also knows that they need him more than they need the USA. Russia is thriving due to the “sanctions” from Europe. We in Europe got sky rocketing inflation, gas prices double that of the States, food shortages, coming gas shortages and our leaders don’t give a crap about their people cause they are sticking to the plan. And immigrants are still welcomed with open arms.

What do you think will happen when we don’t have gas to heat our houses this winter? The first ones to riot are these immigrant young men. They will be like the locusts in the Bible, destroying everything and they kill you with a smile. Cause that is not what they were promised.

And do you think Putin didn’t know this? I think you are underestimating his intelligence.

Russia didn’t want more political influence in Europe, he wants less American influence in Europe. There’s a big difference!
 

Cherry

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All of these can be true, I prefer to wait and see if it happens in my lifetime. However, the last kingdom which I believe it will be a world confederation of states, can be either far right or far left orientated. Both ideologies have a proven track record of fighting against Jehovah and Christ.
"33 and the legs were of iron, as well as half of the feet, while the other half was of baked clay.
34 Suddenly, and while her Majesty was contemplating the statue, a rock that no one dislodged came and struck the feet of iron and clay of the statue, and broke them to pieces." Daniel 2: 33-34

At the moment the feet are made of "iron and baked clay". Communism (disguised as globalism and progress) the hammer and sickle. On the other hand, the baked clay, the land, (conservative traditions) the mother country, nationalism, the flag. They can never mix.

Although it is already a fact that the Anglo-American power has lost its hegemony, the fall of the dollar would definitely be the coup de grâce to the beast, without even counting on a war.

In the future, the beast will be reborn, recovering from the blow, but it will no longer be the same. He will regain all his power and wealth thanks to the patriots. In fact, they will make an image of you to admire and adore. The globalist satanic elite will have neither the adoration nor the admiration of the kings and peoples of the earth. It is my perception.
 

Truth_Seeker

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Yes, these two ideologies divide people within nations and between nations. At some point when they feel the danger coming, they will come together and give their power and support to the beast as per God's will expressed in the bible prophecies. We need to be patient and wait for Jehovah's will to be done.

"For God has put it in their hearts to execute His purpose by having a common purpose, and by giving their kingdom to the beast, until the words of God will be fulfilled."
Revelation 17:17

"Now as to the periods and times, brothers and sisters, you have no need of anything to be written to you. For you yourselves know full well that the day of the Lord is coming just like a thief in the night. While they are saying, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction will come upon them like labor pains upon a pregnant woman, and they will not escape. But you, brothers and sisters, are not in darkness, so that the day would overtake you like a thief; for you are all sons of light and sons of day. We are not of night nor of darkness; so then, let’s not sleep as others do, but let’s be alert and sober. For those who sleep, sleep at night, and those who are drunk, get drunk at night. But since we are of the day, let’s be sober, having put on the breastplate of faith and love, and as a helmet, the hope of salvation. For God has not destined us for wrath, but for obtaining salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ."
1 Thessalonians 5:1‭-‬9
 

Cherry

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Yes, these two ideologies divide people within nations and between nations. At some point when they feel the danger coming, they will come together and give their power and support to the beast as per God's will expressed in the bible prophecies. We need to be patient and wait for Jehovah's will to be done.

"For God has put it in their hearts to execute His purpose by having a common purpose, and by giving their kingdom to the beast, until the words of God will be fulfilled."
Revelation 17:17

"Now as to the periods and times, brothers and sisters, you have no need of anything to be written to you. For you yourselves know full well that the day of the Lord is coming just like a thief in the night. While they are saying, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction will come upon them like labor pains upon a pregnant woman, and they will not escape. But you, brothers and sisters, are not in darkness, so that the day would overtake you like a thief; for you are all sons of light and sons of day. We are not of night nor of darkness; so then, let’s not sleep as others do, but let’s be alert and sober. For those who sleep, sleep at night, and those who are drunk, get drunk at night. But since we are of the day, let’s be sober, having put on the breastplate of faith and love, and as a helmet, the hope of salvation. For God has not destined us for wrath, but for obtaining salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ."
1 Thessalonians 5:1‭-‬9
In your opinion what will be the sign of the presence of Christ, the "disgusting thing in the holy place", or the cry of "peace and safety"?...
 

Truth_Seeker

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You can tell about both prophecies that they can either precede Jesus's coming or they can be signs of his presence.
On this one it clearly says that his sign will appear after the tribulation of those days.

“But immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory. And He will send forth His angels with a great trumpet blast, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.
Matthew 24:29‭-‬31

"For just as the lightning comes from the east and flashes as far as the west, so will the coming of the Son of Man be. Wherever the corpse is, there the vultures will gather."
Matthew 24:27‭-‬28

And his coming will be undeniable.
 
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Driven

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I agree with you, but at this point, I think there is more involved. This is the end of the elite that has dominated up to this point. Russia and the BRICS are showing that they have lost their fear of the ruling caste. They are making a power struggle, and this time the elite is going to lose it. We are witnessing the war between globalists and patriots. He who is not able to see how patriotism is being exalted at the moment is that he is blind.

It is not just an economic issue. The elite not only want to continue with power and wealth, but they have also set out to drastically reduce the world's population, by implementing their satanic 2030 agenda. What they are doing is plain to see. Let's remember what Jesus said, "unless the days are shortened, no one will be saved." The global patriotic alliance that is being created with Russia and China at the head will stop their plans. Of course, Christ is in control.
Exactly right. There are ALWAYS unintended consequences. At least from a human standpoint. There will be a “first to fall” but there will also be a second one to fall and the entire system will then collapse and they won’t be able to stop it. They think they are prepared to deal with it with their underground bunkers and whatever they have in place, but we know from God’s word that they (along with the rest of humanity) will be terrified by the fallout.
 

Driven

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"33 and the legs were of iron, as well as half of the feet, while the other half was of baked clay.
34 Suddenly, and while her Majesty was contemplating the statue, a rock that no one dislodged came and struck the feet of iron and clay of the statue, and broke them to pieces." Daniel 2: 33-34

At the moment the feet are made of "iron and baked clay". Communism (disguised as globalism and progress) the hammer and sickle. On the other hand, the baked clay, the land, (conservative traditions) the mother country, nationalism, the flag. They can never mix.

Although it is already a fact that the Anglo-American power has lost its hegemony, the fall of the dollar would definitely be the coup de grâce to the beast, without even counting on a war.

In the future, the beast will be reborn, recovering from the blow, but it will no longer be the same. He will regain all his power and wealth thanks to the patriots. In fact, they will make an image of you to admire and adore. The globalist satanic elite will have neither the adoration nor the admiration of the kings and peoples of the earth. It is my perception.
I expect that after the global collapse they will “nationalize” everything from real estate to car ownerships and businesses. Then the globalists will get enough “essential” businesses up and running to at least meet some basic human needs. In that way, the government will really own everything and its citizens better obey it or they will be crushed. For those without bible knowledge they will be glad that they have been freed from their mortgages or loans and will gladly support the new government and the new government will reward their loyal ones with staying in their homes, a monthly food allowance, car use, etc.
 

Driven

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All of these can be true, I prefer to wait and see if it happens in my lifetime. However, the last kingdom which I believe it will be a world confederation of states, can be either far right or far left orientated. Both ideologies have a proven track record of fighting against Jehovah and Christ.
I agree and we will have to remain flexible because it is Jehovah who has the hook in their mouth, but it does appear to me that the globalists are ready and waiting. They have probably war gamed this to the nth degree and I’m guessing they already have new governmental documents ready to go. The right/conservatives never seem to think this far in advance. And, in fact, I believe the globalists are the ones who are plotting the demise of nation states like the US, Russia, China etc. They want it all to come down so that they can then offer their solution to the desperate human race. At least they will be desperate when they have nothing to eat for a while and no energy to heat their homes in the winter, and no gas or diesel for transportation.
 

Cherry

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You can tell about both prophecies that they can either precede Jesus's coming or they can be signs of his presence.
On this one it clearly says that his sign will appear after the tribulation of those days.

“But immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory. And He will send forth His angels with a great trumpet blast, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.
Matthew 24:29‭-‬31

"For just as the lightning comes from the east and flashes as far as the west, so will the coming of the Son of Man be. Wherever the corpse is, there the vultures will gather."
Matthew 24:27‭-‬28

And his coming will be undeniable.
Yes, it seems that one prophecy points to the arrival of Christ (the disgusting thing standing in the holy place), and the other points to a time after the great tribulation (peace and safety). That's how I perceive it too. Thank you for sharing your insight with me.
 

Ms_ladyblue

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I agree with you, but at this point, I think there is more involved. This is the end of the elite that has dominated up to this point. Russia and the BRICS are showing that they have lost their fear of the ruling caste. They are making a power struggle, and this time the elite is going to lose it. We are witnessing the war between globalists and patriots. He who is not able to see how patriotism is being exalted at the moment is that he is blind.

It is not just an economic issue. The elite not only want to continue with power and wealth, but they have also set out to drastically reduce the world's population, by implementing their satanic 2030 agenda. What they are doing is plain to see. Let's remember what Jesus said, "unless the days are shortened, no one will be saved." The global patriotic alliance that is being created with Russia and China at the head will stop their plans. Of course, Christ is in control.
@Cherry

Wouldn’t this power struggle happen to be between the KOTN and KOTS?
 

Cherry

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I expect that after the global collapse they will “nationalize” everything from real estate to car ownerships and businesses. Then the globalists will get enough “essential” businesses up and running to at least meet some basic human needs. In that way, the government will really own everything and its citizens better obey it or they will be crushed. For those without bible knowledge they will be glad that they have been freed from their mortgages or loans and will gladly support the new government and the new government will reward their loyal ones with staying in their homes, a monthly food allowance, car use, etc.
Well, unlike you, I see the patriots taking control of everything. I see military tribunals judging the perpetrators of all this genocide against humanity. I see all corrupt institutions eliminated, including the judiciary. The total collapse of the entire world system. People will no doubt cry out for "peace and safety", they will even think that they have achieved it, and then they will admire the beast and worship his image. The problem will be that Christ will have caught them by surprise then.
 
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Driven

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Well, unlike you, I see the patriots taking control of everything. I see military tribunals judging the perpetrators of all this genocide against humanity. I see all corrupt institutions eliminated, including the judiciary. The total collapse of the entire world system. People will no doubt cry out for "peace and safety", they will even think that they have achieved it, and then they will admire the beast and worship his image. The problem will be that Christ will have caught them by surprise then.
And what is wonderful is that we are all looking, in expectation, and willing to accept whatever Jehovah allows either way. We may have an idea but we acknowledge that it will happen the way Jehovah has determined.
 
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