If you claim to be Anointed. How do you know? Really How?

[The Truth Detector]

First I will start off with I know the verses.. I was once an elder in the Org. I have heard it said well you need not ask ones who are.. But I say nonsense because there has to be something that is proof positive that you have the calling if not I see no reason why you can make such a positive claim. What was it that first makes a person know? Has anyone ever explained an experience? Did they experience something one time that told them they were called but then it stopped and they knew they had to live up to it afterward. The verses say the Spirit Keeps bearing witness to our Spirit that we are God's Children... So is there repeated signs/testimonies or reminders that God's Spirit is on a person. I find the subject fascinating. I once had an experience where I asked internally when half awake, what is it like to be anointed? Then immediately I had a presence/flash don't know how else to describe it convey to me this is what its like, then I felt a flush of positivity knowing for sure I was... I could not have thought up that experience. That's what makes me wonder.. It was an amazing experience. I did not mention to anyone prior to that about anointing. It was internal. I immediately awoken flabbergasted and in shock. I didn't want to trust that experience and make the assumption that I was anointed. The reason is because I have had demon harassment in my youth for about a year so I knew what demons are capable of. So I learned never to trust one supernatural experience. Rather to be slow to grabbing onto an emotional experience. Til this day after feeling persecuted by the org I made no attempts to embracing thoughts of anointing. I even mentioned to a C.O. at one time I felt I was being attacked/persecuted from within the Org in various ways through many strange and bizarre experiences that just seem to come my way without invitation or activities on my end.. Something just did not seem right. Something was unholy in the Org and I felt that deliberately the org was trying to control even who is anointed in a psychological way keeping things hush hush.. Although through the years I had a feeling something was up. I don't expect people in the world to define the experience. If honest hearted people are here maybe they have thoughts to share on the subject.

 

[a watcher]

Robert has described his anointing experience. So has Perimeno. Perhaps the most obvious proof that one has been called is that your hope changes, from earthly to heavenly.

 

[The Truth Detector]

Robert has described his anointing experience. So has Perimeno. Perhaps the most obvious proof that one has been called is that your hope changes, from earthly to heavenly.

The earthly hope. It just didn't appeal. Even then I didn't want to assume anything.

 

[jorn]

For all who are led by God’s spirit are indeed God’s sons.Rom 8:14.

“This is what Jehovah of armies says, ‘In those days ten men out of all the languages of the nations will take hold, yes, they will take firm hold of the robe of a Jew, saying: “We want to go with you, for we have heard that God is with you people.”’”Zach 8:23

You can "see" it. They dont have to tell, just like Jesus didnt tell he was Christ.

 

[a watcher]

The earthly hope. It just didn't appeal. Even then I didn't want to assume anything.

Coming in out of the world, I was thrilled at first to learn about the earthly hope. But after many years the GB started to say troubling things about the Paradise, like how we would be ASSIGNED a place to live and work to do. What happened to the glorious freedom of the children of God? Are the GB going to micromanage us through the 1,000 years too? I prayed to Jehovah many times about this issue and apparently He decided to offer me the option of a heavenly hope, and I accepted His offer.

 

[The Truth Detector]

See that's my point. You say Jehovah offered you the heavenly hope just how did he do that what specifically is proof of that?

 

[Dorothea]

This is something I have never spoken about publicly. Several years ago while at the memorial, I experienced a rush of emotion that brought tears to my eyes and I suddenly felt as if I belonged with Jehovah in heaven. I had visions for days of what that would be like. Each time I would read scriptures directed to the anointed, I felt as if they were directed at me. Those scriptures would make me cry. The implications of what I was thinking and feeling were terrifying to me. I was afraid that if I accepted these things as having come from the holy spirit, that I would have to partake and that I would be viewed as mentally ill or apostate. So I asked Jehovah to remove the feelings, because I was not ready at the time to deal with the fallout. He did. But over the years, I have repeatedly had similar experiences that were not as intense, but which keep me wondering whether the invitation was real and whether it is still extended to me or not. Robert's writings have made me feel much better about it, but I am still not sure whether or not I should partake since I did ask Jehovah to take those feelings away at the beginning, which I now regret. I have wanted very much to speak to Robert about this, but have held back because we are told never to discuss such things.

 

[The Truth Detector]

For all who are led by God’s spirit are indeed God’s sons.Rom 8:14.

“This is what Jehovah of armies says, ‘In those days ten men out of all the languages of the nations will take hold, yes, they will take firm hold of the robe of a Jew, saying: “We want to go with you, for we have heard that God is with you people.”’”Zach 8:23

You can "see" it. They dont have to tell, just like Jesus didnt tell he was Christ.

Being led by God's spirit means something would manifest itself in a person's life differently than say that of the great crowd. Because they too would be led by God's spirit or at least should be. All Christians would be looking to see God's Spirit directing them in what they should do to serve God. Something has to be different with an anointed individual. Do they feel an independence as in a leadership role? That their relationship with God does not depend on others? A special bond with their Heavenly Father in that he is watching after them.

 

[The Truth Detector]

This is something I have never spoken about publicly. Several years ago while at the memorial, I experienced a rush of emotion that brought tears to my eyes and I suddenly felt as if I belonged with Jehovah in heaven. I had visions for days of what that would be like. Each time I would read scriptures directed to the anointed, I felt as if they were directed at me. Those scriptures would make me cry. The implications of what I was thinking and feeling were terrifying to me. I was afraid that if I accepted these things as having come from the holy spirit, that I would have to partake and that I would be viewed as mentally ill or apostate. So I asked Jehovah to remove the feelings, because I was not ready at the time to deal with the fallout. He did. But over the years, I have repeatedly had similar experiences that were not as intense, but which keep me wondering whether the invitation was real and whether it is still extended to me or not. Robert's writings have made me feel much better about it, but I am still not sure whether or not I should partake since I did ask Jehovah to take those feelings away at the beginning, which I now regret. I have wanted very much to speak to Robert about this, but have held back because we are told never to discuss such things.

That is precisely why I brought the subject up I see no reason why it should be a secret. If someone makes a public declaration at a memorial then why the secrecy? Unless they don't want to be questioned because they have no way of proving their claim. If God's spirit truly has chosen you then you must be 100% convinced. But how? A feeling.. an emotion? This would have to be constant? When it comes to emotions how can we truly trust that? Some people are emotionally lead etc..

 

[a watcher]

My anointing experience was too complicated for me to explain here. It was like an epiphany: a sudden striking understanding of something. Jehovah proved it to me by changing my hope for the future. There is no way I can prove it to others, and I'm not required to. All I'm scripturally required to do is start partaking, preferably publicly, to inform others of my adjusted relationship with Jehovah. They can believe it, or not.

 

[a watcher]

This is something I have never spoken about publicly. Several years ago while at the memorial, I experienced a rush of emotion that brought tears to my eyes and I suddenly felt as if I belonged with Jehovah in heaven. I had visions for days of what that would be like. Each time I would read scriptures directed to the anointed, I felt as if they were directed at me. Those scriptures would make me cry. The implications of what I was thinking and feeling were terrifying to me. I was afraid that if I accepted these things as having come from the holy spirit, that I would have to partake and that I would be viewed as mentally ill or apostate. So I asked Jehovah to remove the feelings, because I was not ready at the time to deal with the fallout. He did. But over the years, I have repeatedly had similar experiences that were not as intense, but which keep me wondering whether the invitation was real and whether it is still extended to me or not. Robert's writings have made me feel much better about it, but I am still not sure whether or not I should partake since I did ask Jehovah to take those feelings away at the beginning, which I now regret. I have wanted very much to speak to Robert about this, but have held back because we are told never to discuss such things.

Keep praying to Jehovah about it until you get a definite answer.

 

[Dorothea]

My anointing experience was too complicated for me to explain here. It was like an epiphany: a sudden striking understanding of something. Jehovah proved it to me by changing my hope for the future. There is no way I can prove it to others, and I'm not required to. All I'm scripturally required to do is start partaking, preferably publicly, to inform others of my adjusted relationship with Jehovah. They can believe it, or not.

That's the thing, it's not something that is provable to others. It seems to be a conviction that Jehovah gives to you along with a strong desire to be with him and Jesus and the angels in heaven. As it's probably not natural to most humans to desire to exist in a sphere they have no comprehension of, It seems like this must be God-given.

 

[The Truth Detector]

My anointing experience was too complicated for me to explain here. It was like an epiphany: a sudden striking understanding of something. Jehovah proved it to me by changing my hope for the future. There is no way I can prove it to others, and I'm not required to. All I'm scripturally required to do is start partaking, preferably publicly, to inform others of my adjusted relationship with Jehovah. They can believe it, or not.

My anointing experience was too complicated for me to explain here. It was like an epiphany: a sudden striking understanding of something. Jehovah proved it to me by changing my hope for the future. There is no way I can prove it to others, and I'm not required to. All I'm scripturally required to do is start partaking, preferably publicly, to inform others of my adjusted relationship with Jehovah. They can believe it, or not.

That is precisely why I ask. So it's a change in thought process. Not very dramatic. I don't mean to cast doubt on your claim. This would explain why 20,000 are claiming to be anointed in the org. Their thoughts are leading them to this conclusion. I am thinking something has to be more concrete if God's Spirit bears witness with our Spirit. It should be strikingly obvious.

 

[Dorothea]

That is precisely why I ask. So it's a change in thought process. Not very dramatic. I don't mean to cast doubt on your claim. This would explain why 20,000 are claiming to be anointed in the org. Their thoughts are leading them to this conclusion. I am thinking something has to be more concrete if God's Spirit bears witness with our Spirit. It should be strikingly obvious.

But obvious to whom? The newly anointed one or to everyone else?

I don't think anyone will know for sure who is genuinely anointed until they are changed. Only the anointed themselves know whether they've been called, and even then it remains to be seen if they will be judged as faithful and sealed.

 

[a watcher]

That is precisely why I ask. So it's a change in thought process. Not very dramatic. I don't mean to cast doubt on your claim. This would explain why 20,000 are claiming to be anointed in the org. Their thoughts are leading them to this conclusion. I am thinking something has to be more concrete if God's Spirit bears witness with our Spirit. It should be strikingly obvious.

An anointing experience doesn't have to be dramatic to be real. What could be more concrete than Jehovah communicating in some way with an individual so as to offer an invitation? It IS strikingly obvious, sooner or later, to the person so contacted.

 

[The Truth Detector]

An anointing experience doesn't have to be dramatic to be real. What could be more concrete than Jehovah communicating in some way with an individual so as to offer an invitation? It IS strikingly obvious, sooner or later, to the person so contacted.

But it is dramatic to have the almighty communicating "in some way". That is what I am looking to hear described. Because for someone to be 100% convinced then it would have to be obvious enough to explain.

 

[The Truth Detector]

But obvious to whom? The newly anointed one or to everyone else?

I don't think anyone will know for sure who is genuinely anointed until they are changed. Only the anointed themselves know whether they've been called, and even then it remains to be seen if they will be judged as faithful and sealed.

Strikingly obvious to the newly anointed one. So obvious that they should be able to describe it.

 

[a watcher]

For some, their anointing experience is so deeply personal that they're uncomfortable explaining it in detail, and so they will quote Romans 8:16, because they don't want to talk about it. It's like asking them about their wedding night.

 

[The Truth Detector]

For some, their anointing experience is so deeply personal that they're uncomfortable explaining it in detail, and so they will quote Romans 8:16, because they don't want to talk about it. It's like asking them about their wedding night.

Hmmm.. yet people with an earthly hope are so willing to explain their hope. I would think they wouldn't be so bashful. But that's me.

 

[Dorothea]

Hmmm.. yet people with an earthly hope are so willing to explain their hope. I would think they wouldn't be so bashful. But that's me.

Nearly everyone has an earthly hope, so it's something that's easy to share with others. Earthly life and the desire for it is something very familiar to most people. Trying to describe an intangible yet transcendent spiritual experience such as anointing is much harder, and like @a watcher said, it's very personal. The fact that so few others have experienced it makes it even harder.