Masks at meeting

BillyRay

Well-known member
Howdy Met. You're not alone on this front. I have been in quite a bit of isolation from the Org attending meetings on Zoom anonymously and have just got back from an extended Internet Sabbatical whereby I tried to cut off all outside influences to try and get my head into the scriptures for answers.

As you said, I could read my rights and not wear it but by nature I don't like to make other Brothers feel awkward or uncomfortable if I can possibly avoid it. I don't know if this counts as fear of man or more a desire not to hurt any one's feelings. :unsure:

The last meeting I attended on Zoom was a real eye opener. Before in person meetings resumed the pre Zoom convos were very scripted....kind of like those cringey Circuit Assembly demonstrations where everything is over acted and somewhat "Pleasantville".

But now the Brothers are chatting candidly and we still have almost half of the Cong still not attending in person.

Listening to the older ones chat away on Zoom I had no idea how genuinely afraid they were of "Covid" and how much they genuinely believe everything the Media/Government is saying.

Here is a selection of the pre meeting Zoom comments as close as I can get them to verbatim

Elder John " I can't believe how many people around town are not wearing masks. Just because restrictions have lifted doesn't mean we should stop wearing them. "

Old Brother "Oh I know. I carry a mask everywhere I go. I always wear mine no matter what"

Elder John " I always wear mine too. "

Sister No 1 " Well, I tried to get my 4th Jab today but they are prioritizing for those over 67....I'm only 65.....Darn!! "

Sister No 2 " Well my 11 year old granddaughter has just got Covid but she's not that sick"

Sister No 1 "Is she Vaccinated?"

Sister No 2 " Oh yes the whole family is vaccinated. That's why she didn't get so sick"

Elder John "Yes the vaccines don't stop you getting the Virus but they stop you from ending up dead"

Older Brother "Yes. I've just had my Fourth Dose. I don't want to end up dead either".

Sitting listening to that I felt sad and angry at the same time. I felt so sorry for the fear they were experiencing but angry at elements in the World and our "Mcfat" (thanks for that one Dog ) Org that have helped to embellish it.


What gets me with the Cult of the Trance Covidians is that they are more than entitled to state why we should wear masks but if we were to quote our position to them we are spreading "misinformation". We have the Freedom to agree with their contrived narrative and nothing more.

Like you, I am feeling discouraged at the thought of attending. The hybrid Covidian people there are now so far away from my general Worldview and Scriptural outlook that I don't feel that cherished kindred feeling I enjoyed as a young bloke in the 1990's. Part of that was my own self delusion but also I do believe there was a much freer form of communication in the Org back then.

The other thing is that 95% of the Community aren't wearing them and were glad to see the end of them. So why are JWs of all people the most Mask fanatical group in the City? I guess they are thinking that they are going the extra mile for love of neighbour but all the Scientific research I have seen says that is Bollicks.

Besides which, when you are rocking a Beard I feel it's a sin to hide such a grand creation from the World. :)That begs the question, If I'm prepared to fly in the face of the Beard rule...why not the mask?:unsure: Where are you Yoda you wispy faced green little sage you?
A beard you have.... Cover with a mask do not. Hrmmm
 

Dove08

Active member
I've been to most meetings in person. It's not easy to wear a mask but since we moved during the pandemic we also don't know anyone at the hall. For my son it's important to be able to meet some young ones to have some good association.
During the last public talk the brother was also mentioning wearing masks as a sign of trusting in Jehovah.
In our province there is no more mask mandate and he asked a question during the talk, something like: "what will we do when we are in a crowd (like a mall or so) where nobody is wearing a mask and they're not following the 6ft distance guidelines, will we just go along and take off our mask or will we keep ours on and respect the guidelines we receive from the slave?"
So basically he was kind of saying that the guideline to wear masks is not limited to the KH only :oops:
I noticed you said province, where are you ? We are in Ontario. And shocking the brother would say that! We attended two in person meetings maskless, the only ones at the hall and we moved last year too.
 

4JahandChrist

Well-known member
I hate the masks but I'm trying to support my wife and friends by attending physically. Eventually they will learn that I'm injection free and hopefully see the contrast between a healthy person and ones who've been poisoned. Most of them have had "Covid" and are likely injected.
If masks weren't still mandated here, I wouldn't be wearing one, even at meetings. I hate seeing the children in them especially. It seems so cruel and ritualistic... symbolic of the censorship that has come about with all this hysteria.
After suffocating through the first couple of meetings, I decided to modify my mask. I'm using one of the store bought surgical style masks with the plastic surface and several layers of tissue. I proceeded to cut out the layers of tissue so all that is left is the plastic outer part. I snipped several inconspicuous holes in it so its more breathable. Its still annoying but bearable.
Trying to give comments or read is ridiculous. As much as I like seeing everyone again I just don't know if the physical meetings are going to work.
I was talking to a brother back in my home state this morning and he said that his congregation may go back to zoom exclusively due to low attendance and increased cases.
I did some similar modifications to my masks back when it all started.

I got one of the masks with the raised valve on the outside and then went on the inside and peeled back the first material layer. Mask resize 2.jpg

I then used a chisel to punch out the valve leaving only the outside valve cover remaining. This essentially gives you straight through air supply without the Trance Covidians noticing.

mask resize 1.jpg

Trump called the Vaccine roll out "Operation Warp Speed". I call my mask modification "Operation Mask Tricky" . Nothing like confusing the enemy to get some fresh air. (y)
 

BillyRay

Well-known member
I did some similar modifications to my masks back when it all started.

I got one of the masks with the raised valve on the outside and then went on the inside and peeled back the first material layer. View attachment 1196

I then used a chisel to punch out the valve leaving only the outside valve cover remaining. This essentially gives you straight through air supply without the Trance Covidians noticing.

View attachment 1197

Trump called the Vaccine roll out "Operation Warp Speed". I call my mask modification "Operation Mask Tricky" . Nothing like confusing the enemy to get some fresh air. (y)
OK. I literally laughed out loud.
 

Asadour

Well-known member
What gets me with the Cult of the Trance Covidians is that they are more than entitled to state why we should wear masks but if we were to quote our position to them we are spreading "misinformation".
Just wondering how many folks here saw GB update 7, 2021, starring Gerrit Lösch-? He wanted to know why anyone would have an “issue” with wearing a mask while he himself was not wearing one. Where is this thinking coming from? Ask yourself, Lösch. Mask up or shut up.

No wonder you say we may get unreasonable and I forget how they put it instruction.....

I believe the instructions were hypocritical, sanctimonious and deceitful?
 

Driven

Well-known member
It was strange to sit at meeting for the first time this week. It was hard to read this years scriptural text on the screen, "Those seeking Jehovah will lack nothing good." Reading that while suffocating behind a "recommended" mask (emphasis on the explanation points) made it impossible to want to return again. I really don't have to wear it I know that... But I'd rather just not attend. Fear of man? Or just completely jaded? Does anyone else here feel the same?
I will never wear that stupid mask just as I will never put a rabbit’s foot on my key chain. It is all theater and superstition.
 
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Driven

Well-known member
Howdy Met. You're not alone on this front. I have been in quite a bit of isolation from the Org attending meetings on Zoom anonymously and have just got back from an extended Internet Sabbatical whereby I tried to cut off all outside influences to try and get my head into the scriptures for answers.

As you said, I could read my rights and not wear it but by nature I don't like to make other Brothers feel awkward or uncomfortable if I can possibly avoid it. I don't know if this counts as fear of man or more a desire not to hurt any one's feelings. :unsure:

The last meeting I attended on Zoom was a real eye opener. Before in person meetings resumed the pre Zoom convos were very scripted....kind of like those cringey Circuit Assembly demonstrations where everything is over acted and somewhat "Pleasantville".

But now the Brothers are chatting candidly and we still have almost half of the Cong still not attending in person.

Listening to the older ones chat away on Zoom I had no idea how genuinely afraid they were of "Covid" and how much they genuinely believe everything the Media/Government is saying.

Here is a selection of the pre meeting Zoom comments as close as I can get them to verbatim

Elder John " I can't believe how many people around town are not wearing masks. Just because restrictions have lifted doesn't mean we should stop wearing them. "

Old Brother "Oh I know. I carry a mask everywhere I go. I always wear mine no matter what"

Elder John " I always wear mine too. "

Sister No 1 " Well, I tried to get my 4th Jab today but they are prioritizing for those over 67....I'm only 65.....Darn!! "

Sister No 2 " Well my 11 year old granddaughter has just got Covid but she's not that sick"

Sister No 1 "Is she Vaccinated?"

Sister No 2 " Oh yes the whole family is vaccinated. That's why she didn't get so sick"

Elder John "Yes the vaccines don't stop you getting the Virus but they stop you from ending up dead"

Older Brother "Yes. I've just had my Fourth Dose. I don't want to end up dead either".

Sitting listening to that I felt sad and angry at the same time. I felt so sorry for the fear they were experiencing but angry at elements in the World and our "Mcfat" (thanks for that one Dog ) Org that have helped to embellish it.


What gets me with the Cult of the Trance Covidians is that they are more than entitled to state why we should wear masks but if we were to quote our position to them we are spreading "misinformation". We have the Freedom to agree with their contrived narrative and nothing more.

Like you, I am feeling discouraged at the thought of attending. The hybrid Covidian people there are now so far away from my general Worldview and Scriptural outlook that I don't feel that cherished kindred feeling I enjoyed as a young bloke in the 1990's. Part of that was my own self delusion but also I do believe there was a much freer form of communication in the Org back then.

The other thing is that 95% of the Community aren't wearing them and were glad to see the end of them. So why are JWs of all people the most Mask fanatical group in the City? I guess they are thinking that they are going the extra mile for love of neighbour but all the Scientific research I have seen says that is Bollicks.

Besides which, when you are rocking a Beard I feel it's a sin to hide such a grand creation from the World. :)That begs the question, If I'm prepared to fly in the face of the Beard rule...why not the mask?:unsure: Where are you Yoda you wispy faced green little sage you?
People in the world will swear that if you break a mirror it brings 7 years of bad luck, walking under a ladder brings bad luck and not wearing your mask invites the evil COVID. I refuse to be cowed by “stupidstition”.
 

Cristo

Well-known member
I did some similar modifications to my masks back when it all started.

I got one of the masks with the raised valve on the outside and then went on the inside and peeled back the first material layer. View attachment 1196

I then used a chisel to punch out the valve leaving only the outside valve cover remaining. This essentially gives you straight through air supply without the Trance Covidians noticing.

View attachment 1197

Trump called the Vaccine roll out "Operation Warp Speed". I call my mask modification "Operation Mask Tricky" . Nothing like confusing the enemy to get some fresh air. (y)
Why? I work in a hospital and have to wear a mask every time I work, just get some surgical masks instead of going through all the trouble.

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Driven

Well-known member
I did some similar modifications to my masks back when it all started.

I got one of the masks with the raised valve on the outside and then went on the inside and peeled back the first material layer. View attachment 1196

I then used a chisel to punch out the valve leaving only the outside valve cover remaining. This essentially gives you straight through air supply without the Trance Covidians noticing.

View attachment 1197

Trump called the Vaccine roll out "Operation Warp Speed". I call my mask modification "Operation Mask Tricky" . Nothing like confusing the enemy to get some fresh air. (y)
Good for you because wearing a mask for too long will increase your blood pressure.
 

4JahandChrist

Well-known member
Why? I work in a hospital and have to wear a mask every time I work, just get some surgical masks instead of going through all the trouble.

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Not sure I understand your point? I wanted a clear flow of air straight in without any material blocking the path.

I used the mask outside for walking. I do a 10 km walk and in Australia for most of 2021 it was illegal to walk the streets unmasked. If seen it copped a $200 fine.

People also became distressed if they saw you unmasked. Rather than strap on a surgical mask I decided to use the valve mask as a cover for a straight through vent to my mouth without any restrictions.

No trouble. The mods were a 5 minute job and I was able to get some air on my walks. Surprisingly no one can tell that the modified valve is a straight through hole. The plastic vent gives enough coverage to hide the mod.
 

Driven

Well-known member
Not sure I understand your point? I wanted a clear flow of air straight in without any material blocking the path.

I used the mask outside for walking. I do a 10 km walk and in Australia for most of 2021 it was illegal to walk the streets unmasked. If seen it copped a $200 fine.

People also became distressed if they saw you unmasked. Rather than strap on a surgical mask I decided to use the valve mask as a cover for a straight through vent to my mouth without any restrictions.

No trouble. The mods were a 5 minute job and I was able to get some air on my walks. Surprisingly no one can tell that the modified valve is a straight through hole. The plastic vent gives enough coverage to hide the mod.
Smart.
 

BARNABY THE DOG.

Well-known member
As many of you know in my opinion the only thing worse than the masks, is the vaccine. I was thinking about this with regards to the supposed guidance "from the slave." It's another complete lie. When they repeat almost word for word everything coming from the government, and what's more important they say they are going along with it because of Romans 13, that is not "guidance form the Slave." That is a complete lie. And a bold faced one at that. At what point are the brothers going to reject the "guidance" from Satan's world. After all the "whole world lies in the power of the wicked one."

I'm just wondering when Satan stopped lying? If Eve had assumed Satan was a liar, would she have sinned?

And to be honest I am not interested in a bunch of out of touch old men who have no idea how the real world works telling me my business. I am an expert in the field PPE, since there use is part of how I have made a living for the last nearly quarter of a century. I have spent hours researching and reading about respirators. And I have spent many more hours wearing a respirator. Look up the definition of "respirator". It is literally define as a "mask that covers your mouth and nose and filters..."

So by definition, these masks are respirators, and they are regulated by OSHA (and other government agencies in other countries) and have been for 40 plus years. This disqualifies the masks in two ways. If it is a respirator it is illegal to require anyone to wear a mask, without the person passing a medical evaluation, because they are NOT respirators there are no regulations because no one wears a hanky, since the 19th century to "filter" anything. BTW, a "surgical mask is not a respirator and is NOT USED as a RESPIRATOR!

I own and use three different respirators. A half mask respirator, a full face respirator, and a PAPR. (A PAPR is an "powered air purifying respirator" and it is literally used for say an Ebola outbreak, with appropriate filters.) The one thing the first two have in common besides industrial filters and N95 filters, is they are made out of silicone, and they have a check value to exhale. Why is that important? Because the moisture in your breath that you exhale is full of sickness causing bacteria. (They say the human mouth...well I think we all know...there is only one part of the body that is less sanitary.) Bacteria does not culture and grow on silicone, and it's also easy to clean, not to mention the half mask's are disposable anyway.

Now let's move on to the N95. Does anyone know what the "95" in "n95" means? It means it only filters 95% of the virus it is exposed to. So a respirator, that is used by medical professionals when they have to be exposed to a virus, are using an approved respirator that only filters 95% of the virus they are exposed to. How much does that hanky you wrapped around your face filter? How much does the surgical mask filter? Well I have news for all the pro-maskers. There is no reason to rate those things because if you are going to use PPE, and let's say, your equipment is only good for protection lets say from 5% of virus exposure would you wear it? Would you buy that PPE? Yeah, no you wouldn't!

Let's take this down the line to the next lie. According to the GB 26,000 brothers have died of Covid. (Very conspicuous they stopped counting BTW!) 26,000 equals one third of one percent of 8.5 million Witnesses! So even at the worst possible numbers this horrible pandemic didn't even get to 1%. Then when you factor in that those people who died had 2.6 co-morbidties, and that was 80% of those people, then you have reduced this scaremonger "worse thing to happen since the Spanish Flu", to the reality of it's insignificance by 80%,. then the whole thing is just laughable.

Oh but I am "listening to strangers". I have news for the GB, you are the strangers. The Bible you use to claim you are the Faithful and Discreet slave", is the same Bible that calls the governments liars! Of did you miss that part that Satan, is "the father of the lie", and the whole world lies in the power of the wicked one(Satan)!

Where does it end WT? When do you decide that the "guidance" from Satan's governments do not come from Jehovah? At what point do you say, "yeah the Father of the lie, who controls the governments, is lying?" What does it take for you to believe what Jehovah wrote in his inspired word?

No wonder you say we may get unreasonable and I forget how they put it instruction.....but at what point does the "faithful slave" decide that the governments Satan controls, the father of the lie, are lying? The Father of the lie, who controls the whole world, we just go along with. So the next time they roll out the lies, you just go along, and the time after that, and the time after that.

When do you say wait a minute, the "misinformation" that Satan's government claims to be lies, are the actual lies!!!???? When do you say, "the father of the lie, is lying?" WHEN!!!!

The reason we "may get instruction that doesn't make sense" is because it comes from Satan! What they did the last 2 years proves it!

I am so done!

The cloth mask is a petrie dish of sickness causing ailments...PERIOD!
‘And to be honest I am not interested in a bunch of out of touch old men who have no idea how the real world works.‘ Steady on Nomex , I’m an old man who has no idea of the real world any more…sort of thankful for it too! 😇
 
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