Masks at meeting

Driven

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Thanks. I just tried to hit your man up for a phone chat but got his answering service. Tell him I'll get him another day. I was waiting to go to my first physical meeting first so we could compare notes but the mask culture has kind of put the kibosh on that. 🥴
Yes he’s not available today but hopefully you two can connect soon! Thanks for reaching out. That’s awesome!
 

Cristo

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Not sure I understand your point? I wanted a clear flow of air straight in without any material blocking the path.

I used the mask outside for walking. I do a 10 km walk and in Australia for most of 2021 it was illegal to walk the streets unmasked. If seen it copped a $200 fine.

People also became distressed if they saw you unmasked. Rather than strap on a surgical mask I decided to use the valve mask as a cover for a straight through vent to my mouth without any restrictions.

No trouble. The mods were a 5 minute job and I was able to get some air on my walks. Surprisingly no one can tell that the modified valve is a straight through hole. The plastic vent gives enough coverage to hide the mod.
My point was I use these masks every day, and to say why go through all the trouble. Surgical masks give a fairly good airflow without all the effort, that's all. Glad it worked out for you. I do appreciate the straight through vent as you mentioned, as I often find myself pulling my mask down over my nose to get that air.
 

Jah-son

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I did some similar modifications to my masks back when it all started.

I got one of the masks with the raised valve on the outside and then went on the inside and peeled back the first material layer. View attachment 1196

I then used a chisel to punch out the valve leaving only the outside valve cover remaining. This essentially gives you straight through air supply without the Trance Covidians noticing.

View attachment 1197

Trump called the Vaccine roll out "Operation Warp Speed". I call my mask modification "Operation Mask Tricky" . Nothing like confusing the enemy to get some fresh air. (y)
I applaud your efforts 👍👏👏👏.
Its really sad and revealing of the times we are living through that we have to go to such lengths just to get by in this bizarro world. And even more so, within the org that most of us trusted to have our best interest at heart for so many years. Jehovah, may your holy name be sanctified of all of this badness!
 
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Jah-son

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Medi-tator

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Thanks. I just tried to hit your man up for a phone chat but got his answering service. Tell him I'll get him another day. I was waiting to go to my first physical meeting first so we could compare notes but the mask culture has kind of put the kibosh on that. 🥴
Aloha bro! Got your message and thank you for trying! Yes this mask thing is keeping us away from the K-Hall. As we understand it from info we are getting from a wife of an elder, our congregation is conducting themselves fairly militantly regarding mask wearing. Because Driven and I will not wear our masks, we are afraid we will just be causing a ruckus needlessly if we go to the live meetings.

You are in Sydney, correct? Our time difference is really not too far apart. You are just 4 hours behind us in Hawaii but a day ahead. So, as I write this your time there is 5:00am Saturday whereas mine is 9:00am Friday. When you called yesterday you called me at 4:00pm your time, 8:00pm my time which normally would be perfect. Thank you again for the gallant attempt! Talk to you soon!
 
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BillyRay

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As many of you know in my opinion the only thing worse than the masks, is the vaccine. I was thinking about this with regards to the supposed guidance "from the slave." It's another complete lie. When they repeat almost word for word everything coming from the government, and what's more important they say they are going along with it because of Romans 13, that is not "guidance form the Slave." That is a complete lie. And a bold faced one at that. At what point are the brothers going to reject the "guidance" from Satan's world. After all the "whole world lies in the power of the wicked one."

I'm just wondering when Satan stopped lying? If Eve had assumed Satan was a liar, would she have sinned?

And to be honest I am not interested in a bunch of out of touch old men who have no idea how the real world works telling me my business. I am an expert in the field PPE, since there use is part of how I have made a living for the last nearly quarter of a century. I have spent hours researching and reading about respirators. And I have spent many more hours wearing a respirator. Look up the definition of "respirator". It is literally define as a "mask that covers your mouth and nose and filters..."

So by definition, these masks are respirators, and they are regulated by OSHA (and other government agencies in other countries) and have been for 40 plus years. This disqualifies the masks in two ways. If it is a respirator it is illegal to require anyone to wear a mask, without the person passing a medical evaluation, because they are NOT respirators there are no regulations because no one wears a hanky, since the 19th century to "filter" anything. BTW, a "surgical mask is not a respirator and is NOT USED as a RESPIRATOR!

I own and use three different respirators. A half mask respirator, a full face respirator, and a PAPR. (A PAPR is an "powered air purifying respirator" and it is literally used for say an Ebola outbreak, with appropriate filters.) The one thing the first two have in common besides industrial filters and N95 filters, is they are made out of silicone, and they have a check value to exhale. Why is that important? Because the moisture in your breath that you exhale is full of sickness causing bacteria. (They say the human mouth...well I think we all know...there is only one part of the body that is less sanitary.) Bacteria does not culture and grow on silicone, and it's also easy to clean, not to mention the half mask's are disposable anyway.

Now let's move on to the N95. Does anyone know what the "95" in "n95" means? It means it only filters 95% of the virus it is exposed to. So a respirator, that is used by medical professionals when they have to be exposed to a virus, are using an approved respirator that only filters 95% of the virus they are exposed to. How much does that hanky you wrapped around your face filter? How much does the surgical mask filter? Well I have news for all the pro-maskers. There is no reason to rate those things because if you are going to use PPE, and let's say, your equipment is only good for protection lets say from 5% of virus exposure would you wear it? Would you buy that PPE? Yeah, no you wouldn't!

Let's take this down the line to the next lie. According to the GB 26,000 brothers have died of Covid. (Very conspicuous they stopped counting BTW!) 26,000 equals one third of one percent of 8.5 million Witnesses! So even at the worst possible numbers this horrible pandemic didn't even get to 1%. Then when you factor in that those people who died had 2.6 co-morbidties, and that was 80% of those people, then you have reduced this scaremonger "worse thing to happen since the Spanish Flu", to the reality of it's insignificance by 80%,. then the whole thing is just laughable.

Oh but I am "listening to strangers". I have news for the GB, you are the strangers. The Bible you use to claim you are the Faithful and Discreet slave", is the same Bible that calls the governments liars! Of did you miss that part that Satan, is "the father of the lie", and the whole world lies in the power of the wicked one(Satan)!

Where does it end WT? When do you decide that the "guidance" from Satan's governments do not come from Jehovah? At what point do you say, "yeah the Father of the lie, who controls the governments, is lying?" What does it take for you to believe what Jehovah wrote in his inspired word?

No wonder you say we may get unreasonable and I forget how they put it instruction.....but at what point does the "faithful slave" decide that the governments Satan controls, the father of the lie, are lying? The Father of the lie, who controls the whole world, we just go along with. So the next time they roll out the lies, you just go along, and the time after that, and the time after that.

When do you say wait a minute, the "misinformation" that Satan's government claims to be lies, are the actual lies!!!???? When do you say, "the father of the lie, is lying?" WHEN!!!!

The reason we "may get instruction that doesn't make sense" is because it comes from Satan! What they did the last 2 years proves it!

I am so done!

The cloth mask is a petrie dish of sickness causing ailments...PERIOD!
🏆 Rant Score 9/10. Needs more “WHEN”
 

4JahandChrist

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Aloha bro! Got your message and thank you for trying! Yes this mask thing is keeping us away from the K-Hall. As we understand it from info we are getting from a wife of an elder, our congregation is conducting themselves fairly militantly regarding mask wearing. Because Driven and I will not wear our masks, we are afraid we will just be causing a ruckus needlessly if we go to the live meetings.

You are in Sydney, correct? Our time difference is really not too far apart. You are just 4 hours behind us in Hawaii but a day ahead. So, as I write this your time there is 5:00am Saturday whereas mine is 9:00am Friday. When you called yesterday you called me at 4:00pm your time, 8:00pm my time which normally would be perfect. Thank you again for the gallant attempt! Talk to you soon!
Yep we are sort of either side of the International Date Line making you almost a full day behind.

I'm not in Sydney but I'm in the same time zone.

We have a saying in Eastern Australia if someone is a bit slow on the uptake "Wake up Perth". ......ie....3 hours behind.

Perhaps I should change that to "wake up Hawaii" .....20 hours behind. 😃

I'm in exactly the same boat as you.....I want to go to the physical meeting but the mask thing is a real downer. Another forum member "Joe Mctaeg" sees wearing the mask as a sign of taking the knee to the New World Order. I kind of feel the same way. Wearing a mask for 2 hours isn't going to be the end of the world but I feel like I'm signaling my agreement with what is effectively a dangerous dishonest psyop.(the whole Covid thing)

I guess I could try it. I'm on new turf and don't know any of the Brothers personally so I don't want to waltz into a new Congo Mongo and start rattling the cage....although that's probably going to happen anyway as I don't report Field Service time.

These rules make things so hard when it doesn't have to be. Perhaps I'm also making it hard on myself? I have to wear a mask to go to the doctor....it's law and it doesn't appear to be changing. If I wear it there then I guess I can wear it at the Hall. Difference is at the Doctors it's Caesar's law. There is no law for wearing a mask in a Church...so why all the fuss? Around and around I go. o_O:unsure:
 

Dove08

Active member
Yep we are sort of either side of the International Date Line making you almost a full day behind.

I'm not in Sydney but I'm in the same time zone.

We have a saying in Eastern Australia if someone is a bit slow on the uptake "Wake up Perth". ......ie....3 hours behind.

Perhaps I should change that to "wake up Hawaii" .....20 hours behind. 😃

I'm in exactly the same boat as you.....I want to go to the physical meeting but the mask thing is a real downer. Another forum member "Joe Mctaeg" sees wearing the mask as a sign of taking the knee to the New World Order. I kind of feel the same way. Wearing a mask for 2 hours isn't going to be the end of the world but I feel like I'm signaling my agreement with what is effectively a dangerous dishonest psyop.(the whole Covid thing)

I guess I could try it. I'm on new turf and don't know any of the Brothers personally so I don't want to waltz into a new Congo Mongo and start rattling the cage....although that's probably going to happen anyway as I don't report Field Service time.

These rules make things so hard when it doesn't have to be. Perhaps I'm also making it hard on myself? I have to wear a mask to go to the doctor....it's law and it doesn't appear to be changing. If I wear it there then I guess I can wear it at the Hall. Difference is at the Doctors it's Caesar's law. There is no law for wearing a mask in a Church...so why all the fuss? Around and around I go. o_O:unsure:
We are new in the hall and don't know anyone, went to two meetings, all seven of us, maskless. Only ones both times. It was very conspicuous 😁
 

4JahandChrist

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We are new in the hall and don't know anyone, went to two meetings, all seven of us, maskless. Only ones both times. It was very conspicuous 😁
7 of you? That's quite a tribe you've got going there. That's where having a family can be a big bonus in the Truth. If you're a mature aged single it's harder to break the Ice when entering a New Congo.

So what was the vibe like being maskless? Any odd looks or were the Brothers quite neutral about it?
 

Dove08

Active member
7 of you? That's quite a tribe you've got going there. That's where having a family can be a big bonus in the Truth. If you're a mature aged single it's harder to break the Ice when entering a New Congo.

So what was the vibe like being maskless? Any odd looks or were the Brothers quite neutral about it?
Yes we have five little ones and the comments about it were endless. Not a word was said about our masklessness, maybe people were in shock over the size of our family 🤪 or maybe it's the polite canadian-ness aspect.
 

4JahandChrist

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Yes we have five little ones and the comments about it were endless. Not a word was said about our masklessness, maybe people were in shock over the size of our family 🤪 or maybe it's the polite canadian-ness aspect.
5 Kids? You are a dead set champion. Well done.(y) I'm the youngest of 8 so I know all about the Big Tribe dynamics.

That's great that you were able to get into the meeting with no dramas. As I said, sometimes having a spouse and little ones can act as a bit of a buffer. People are a little more suspect with the Lone Wolf.

Canadians sound a lot like New Zealanders....a bit more gracious than their big Brother neighbours. :)
 

Dove08

Active member
5 Kids? You are a dead set champion. Well done.(y) I'm the youngest of 8 so I know all about the Big Tribe dynamics.

That's great that you were able to get into the meeting with no dramas. As I said, sometimes having a spouse and little ones can act as a bit of a buffer. People are a little more suspect with the Lone Wolf.

Canadians sound a lot like New Zealanders....a bit more gracious than their big Brother neighbours. :)
Yes that would be hard if you are going on your own! It would be a lot less obvious tha us though, if you were to just quietly slip in and out. We were 30 min late on tye Second meeting 😬.

Thanks, we both always wanted a bunch of children and love every moment 😃
 

BARNABY THE DOG.

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Aloha bro! Got your message and thank you for trying! Yes this mask thing is keeping us away from the K-Hall. As we understand it from info we are getting from a wife of an elder, our congregation is conducting themselves fairly militantly regarding mask wearing. Because Driven and I will not wear our masks, we are afraid we will just be causing a ruckus needlessly if we go to the live meetings.

You are in Sydney, correct? Our time difference is really not too far apart. You are just 4 hours behind us in Hawaii but a day ahead. So, as I write this your time there is 5:00am Saturday whereas mine is 9:00am Friday. When you called yesterday you called me at 4:00pm your time, 8:00pm my time which normally would be perfect. Thank you again for the gallant attempt! Talk to you soon!
It really nice to see the brotherhood blossom on this site. A taste of the future. It is rather a difficult concept to know that the earth is actually in the same moment of time regardless of where one is situated upon it.
 

SollaSollew

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The insistence on wearing a mask at meetings is just typical WT gaslighting, they need to keep the illusion of "living in the last days" alive, what better way than capitalising on the fear by insisting on wear a mask - everyone is a risk, a clear and present danger to your safety, pathetic behavior. It also reinforces their cult control by making the unreasonable seem reasonable, making people carry out a ritualistic behavior without rhyme or reason, more destabilising cognitive dissonance for our poor brothers and sisters to try and deal with. They have clearly become a cult.
 

BARNABY THE DOG.

Well-known member
The insistence on wearing a mask at meetings is just typical WT gaslighting, they need to keep the illusion of "living in the last days" alive, what better way than capitalising on the fear by insisting on wear a mask - everyone is a risk, a clear and present danger to your safety, pathetic behavior. It also reinforces their cult control by making the unreasonable seem reasonable, making people carry out a ritualistic behavior without rhyme or reason, more destabilising cognitive dissonance for our poor brothers and sisters to try and deal with. They have clearly become a cult.
Well observed.
 

Arctic Cat

Member
Howdy Met. You're not alone on this front. I have been in quite a bit of isolation from the Org attending meetings on Zoom anonymously and have just got back from an extended Internet Sabbatical whereby I tried to cut off all outside influences to try and get my head into the scriptures for answers.

As you said, I could read my rights and not wear it but by nature I don't like to make other Brothers feel awkward or uncomfortable if I can possibly avoid it. I don't know if this counts as fear of man or more a desire not to hurt any one's feelings. :unsure:

The last meeting I attended on Zoom was a real eye opener. Before in person meetings resumed the pre Zoom convos were very scripted....kind of like those cringey Circuit Assembly demonstrations where everything is over acted and somewhat "Pleasantville".

But now the Brothers are chatting candidly and we still have almost half of the Cong still not attending in person.

Listening to the older ones chat away on Zoom I had no idea how genuinely afraid they were of "Covid" and how much they genuinely believe everything the Media/Government is saying.

Here is a selection of the pre meeting Zoom comments as close as I can get them to verbatim

Elder John " I can't believe how many people around town are not wearing masks. Just because restrictions have lifted doesn't mean we should stop wearing them. "

Old Brother "Oh I know. I carry a mask everywhere I go. I always wear mine no matter what"

Elder John " I always wear mine too. "

Sister No 1 " Well, I tried to get my 4th Jab today but they are prioritizing for those over 67....I'm only 65.....Darn!! "

Sister No 2 " Well my 11 year old granddaughter has just got Covid but she's not that sick"

Sister No 1 "Is she Vaccinated?"

Sister No 2 " Oh yes the whole family is vaccinated. That's why she didn't get so sick"

Elder John "Yes the vaccines don't stop you getting the Virus but they stop you from ending up dead"

Older Brother "Yes. I've just had my Fourth Dose. I don't want to end up dead either".

Sitting listening to that I felt sad and angry at the same time. I felt so sorry for the fear they were experiencing but angry at elements in the World and our "Mcfat" (thanks for that one Dog ) Org that have helped to embellish it.


What gets me with the Cult of the Trance Covidians is that they are more than entitled to state why we should wear masks but if we were to quote our position to them we are spreading "misinformation". We have the Freedom to agree with their contrived narrative and nothing more.

Like you, I am feeling discouraged at the thought of attending. The hybrid Covidian people there are now so far away from my general Worldview and Scriptural outlook that I don't feel that cherished kindred feeling I enjoyed as a young bloke in the 1990's. Part of that was my own self delusion but also I do believe there was a much freer form of communication in the Org back then.

The other thing is that 95% of the Community aren't wearing them and were glad to see the end of them. So why are JWs of all people the most Mask fanatical group in the City? I guess they are thinking that they are going the extra mile for love of neighbour but all the Scientific research I have seen says that is Bollicks.

Besides which, when you are rocking a Beard I feel it's a sin to hide such a grand creation from the World. :)That begs the question, If I'm prepared to fly in the face of the Beard rule...why not the mask?:unsure: Where are you Yoda you wispy faced green little sage you?
Sounds just about the same as in northern EU meetings ive been to, and yes it feels so horrible to listen to this going on still.. and if i ever try to mention my mom almost died from her 2 shot they just start looking everywhere visibly uneased then someone says we shouldnt talk about it as it is divisive and that there is no way it could have been the shots etc. At this point i dont even know what to say anymore. I dont even feel like i want to speak to them anymore because they love the lie and they dont want to hear truth.. they want whatever feel good in their ears
 
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BARNABY THE DOG.

Well-known member
Howdy Met. You're not alone on this front. I have been in quite a bit of isolation from the Org attending meetings on Zoom anonymously and have just got back from an extended Internet Sabbatical whereby I tried to cut off all outside influences to try and get my head into the scriptures for answers.

As you said, I could read my rights and not wear it but by nature I don't like to make other Brothers feel awkward or uncomfortable if I can possibly avoid it. I don't know if this counts as fear of man or more a desire not to hurt any one's feelings. :unsure:

The last meeting I attended on Zoom was a real eye opener. Before in person meetings resumed the pre Zoom convos were very scripted....kind of like those cringey Circuit Assembly demonstrations where everything is over acted and somewhat "Pleasantville".

But now the Brothers are chatting candidly and we still have almost half of the Cong still not attending in person.

Listening to the older ones chat away on Zoom I had no idea how genuinely afraid they were of "Covid" and how much they genuinely believe everything the Media/Government is saying.

Here is a selection of the pre meeting Zoom comments as close as I can get them to verbatim

Elder John " I can't believe how many people around town are not wearing masks. Just because restrictions have lifted doesn't mean we should stop wearing them. "

Old Brother "Oh I know. I carry a mask everywhere I go. I always wear mine no matter what"

Elder John " I always wear mine too. "

Sister No 1 " Well, I tried to get my 4th Jab today but they are prioritizing for those over 67....I'm only 65.....Darn!! "

Sister No 2 " Well my 11 year old granddaughter has just got Covid but she's not that sick"

Sister No 1 "Is she Vaccinated?"

Sister No 2 " Oh yes the whole family is vaccinated. That's why she didn't get so sick"

Elder John "Yes the vaccines don't stop you getting the Virus but they stop you from ending up dead"

Older Brother "Yes. I've just had my Fourth Dose. I don't want to end up dead either".

Sitting listening to that I felt sad and angry at the same time. I felt so sorry for the fear they were experiencing but angry at elements in the World and our "Mcfat" (thanks for that one Dog ) Org that have helped to embellish it.


What gets me with the Cult of the Trance Covidians is that they are more than entitled to state why we should wear masks but if we were to quote our position to them we are spreading "misinformation". We have the Freedom to agree with their contrived narrative and nothing more.

Like you, I am feeling discouraged at the thought of attending. The hybrid Covidian people there are now so far away from my general Worldview and Scriptural outlook that I don't feel that cherished kindred feeling I enjoyed as a young bloke in the 1990's. Part of that was my own self delusion but also I do believe there was a much freer form of communication in the Org back then.

The other thing is that 95% of the Community aren't wearing them and were glad to see the end of them. So why are JWs of all people the most Mask fanatical group in the City? I guess they are thinking that they are going the extra mile for love of neighbour but all the Scientific research I have seen says that is Bollicks.

Besides which, when you are rocking a Beard I feel it's a sin to hide such a grand creation from the World. :)That begs the question, If I'm prepared to fly in the face of the Beard rule...why not the mask?:unsure: Where are you Yoda you wispy faced green little sage you?
Hi 4Jah, you can also get BurgerFats too!
 

4JahandChrist

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Sounds just about the same as in northern EU meetings ive been to, and yes it feels so horrible to listen to this going on still.. and if i ever try to mention my mom almost died from her 2 shot they just start looking everywhere visibly uneased then someone says we shouldnt talk about it as it is divisive and that there is no way it could have been the shots etc. At this point i dont even know what to say anymore. I dont even feel like i want to speak to them anymore because they love the lie and they dont want to hear truth.. they want whatever feel good in their ears
I agree. It's infuriating at times to see their manic obsession with bowing to the narrative. By all means get jabbed and wear all the masks you want but don't limit my freedom to respectfully explain my position for not doing so. So utterly discouraging to see faithful Brothers become publicity agents for the WHO.
 
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