Returning To Its Vomit- 2 Pet 2v22

BagdadBill said:
I think they used to be a lot more in the background. I recall a few mentions in magazines. Makes me think of the Israelites when they wanted a human they could see.
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I think I only knew Stephen Lett’s face before 2020 (Who didn’t 😂). I couldn’t tell you a name of any of them if my life depended on it. Now I know 8 faces and 8 names. I preferred it when I was still oblivious.
 
xrt469 said:
I have been giving thought to the Harlot of Rev17-19. I think it may represent ALL organized religion, including the CCJW. Even an organization that Jehovah himself designed (Israel) was eventually ruined when humans got in the middle of things. Jeremiah 10:23 doesn't just apply to human governments. All structures where humans take the lead end up looking the same. Even though WT rejects having a clergy class, they have instituted one in every meaningful way. Printed words don't change reality. I think Rev18:4 will apply to the CCJW, too.
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Hi xrt, it’s likely that the wt or ccjw will be disciplined by Christ on his return, casting out Satan from heaven, before Babylon the great and wild beast because as Robert says in bible prophesy judgement starts with the ‘house of God’ so the organisation will be attacked by Gog primarily the anointed (who are all put to death) since it has to be cleaned up first so those within can be tested and labelled as sheep and goats then the war of Armageddon that destroys Babylon the great, likely turned on by the beast and the abyssing of Satan his demons and the survivors that include many JWs and a worldly ‘vast mixed company’ who on a ‘whim’ refuse the beasts mark and join the sheep causing them to qualify for survival as did those in Egypt who went though the Red Sea as survivors. The good news Bible calls them not a ‘great crowd‘ but an ‘enormous crowd’. may be 100’s millions. See jwQ section on my website http://christ2coming.org Regards Paz.
And New World Section, website designed to help interested people come to Jehovah .
 
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יהוה_saves said:
Just wanted to share some thoughts:

2 Peter 2v22 - What the true proverb says has happened to them: “The dog returns to its own vomit, and the sow, after washing herself, returns to wallow in the mire.”

Valdino’s recent posting about Ex-Wallkill Bethelite Marcus Vaughn got me thinking about the large number of JWs that revert to Christendom’s pagan tenets after leaving Watchtower (WT) for example, many begin birthday and Christmas celebrations, a belief in a trinity or that Jesus is Jehovah God, other pagan belief or perhaps they become embroiled in the darkness of Satan’s political affairs for example they jump on the climate change bandwagon (Lloyd Evans), take sides in the NATO/Ukraine v Russia debacle (Goatlike Personality, Jonas Plåt). That’s not to say having an opinion is a sin. But carrying that opinion into the realm of works, or slavery for this system, is the sin.

When i left WT- going on a year now- people in my family tried to get me to join their church. I didn’t consider that for a moment- I’d sooner have no place to worship than worship in any church belonging to Christendom.

Then there were those who asked me: Aren’t you excited to finally celebrate Christmas? I gave it a fleeting thought- but nope, not going to and didn’t happen.

Taking sides in Satan’s political darkness was never an option I availed to myself.

And so I concluded last night, that must be the common bond that we all share and it’s what Jehovah tapped into that brought us here together to fellowship with each other and learn from him.

Finally, Matt 22v35 the greatest commandment- means to love Jehovah our God with our whole heart, whole soul and whole mind. . .

Unfortunately, JWs checked their minds out to the Gov Body. That we can and do love Jehovah with our thinking ability intact, is another common bond we share. This is why we rejected the injections (think!) and will continue to.

Jehovah never asked us to or expected us to relinquish our powers of reason to anybody but him.

For this reason, we didn’t return to our vomit.
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They stumbled, as simple as that. This is a glimpse of what will happen in the future to many at the same time. Many, many Jws are there just because they do not want to lose their families and friends. They called themselves mentally out physically in. Some of them even hate the org and filter information from inside (which is not something that bad in some sense). But because they do that and think and feel that way, that's why I've always though that when everything crumbles down and goes terribly bad, these will probably be the first to betray their fellow brothers and sisters to the authorities. 🤷🏻‍♂️
 
LuisMerino9412 said:
They stumbled, as simple as that. This is a glimpse of what will happen in the future to many at the same time. Many, many Jws are there just because they do not want to lose their families and friends. They called themselves mentally out physically in. Some of them even hate the org and filter information from inside (which is not something that bad in some sense). But because they do that and think and feel that way, that's why I've always though that when everything crumbles down and goes terribly bad, these will probably be the first to betray their fellow brothers and sisters to the authorities. 🤷🏻‍♂️
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Does it not look as though some were just looking for an excuse to justify the pursuit of former desire?
 
MickHewitt said:
Does it not look as though some were just looking for an excuse to justify the pursuit of former desire?
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I think that those times will reveal what's really in everyone's heart. That's why it is called the hour of test lol. Haha. Now we only see what we can see. We do not know. But maybe... Yes you are right. But we don't really know.
 
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LuisMerino9412 said:
They stumbled, as simple as that. This is a glimpse of what will happen in the future to many at the same time. Many, many Jws are there just because they do not want to lose their families and friends. They called themselves mentally out physically in. Some of them even hate the org and filter information from inside (which is not something that bad in some sense). But because they do that and think and feel that way, that's why I've always though that when everything crumbles down and goes terribly bad, these will probably be the first to betray their fellow brothers and sisters to the authorities. 🤷🏻‍♂️
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you could be right. For sure the prophesy will take many form.

Remember too, it’s the chose ones that will be persecuted, and because the Gov Body/WT know the proximate locations and identities of those who partake of the emblems, they’re in a position to betray these ones, even those on a local level know who they are and can identify them to authorities.

Because they’ve already written in the Wathctower that partakers, esp recent partakes, perhaps have unchecked mental and emotional issues thereby d’élegitimizing their positions as Christ’s brothers, this shows how little regard the Gov Body has for them.
 
Paz said:
Hi xrt, it’s likely that the wt or ccjw will be disciplined by Christ on his return, casting out Satan from heaven, before Babylon the great and wild beast because as Robert says in bible prophesy judgement starts with the ‘house of God’ so the organisation will be attacked by Gog primarily the anointed (who are all put to death) since it has to be cleaned up first so those within can be tested and labelled as sheep and goats then the war of Armageddon that destroys Babylon the great, likely turned on by the beast and the abyssing of Satan his demons and the survivors that include many JWs and a worldly ‘vast mixed company’ who on a ‘whim’ refuse the beasts mark and join the sheep causing them to qualify for survival as did those in Egypt who went though the Red Sea as survivors. The good news Bible calls them not a ‘great crowd‘ but an ‘enormous crowd’. may be 100’s millions. Regards Paz.
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that’s really encouraging.
 
יהוה_saves said:
you could be right. For sure the prophesy will take many form.

Remember too, it’s the chose ones that will be persecuted, and because the Gov Body/WT know the proximate locations and identities of those who partake of the emblems, they’re in a position to betray these ones, even those on a local level know who they are and can identify them to authorities.

Because they’ve already written in the Wathctower that partakers, esp recent partakes, perhaps have unchecked mental and emotional issues thereby d’élegitimizing their positions as Christ’s brothers, this shows how little regard the Gov Body has for them.
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Those who will belong to the great crowd will also be handed over the authorities and they make the biggest group. So along with Christ's faithful anointed ones, they will be betrayed by the unfaithful. The anger and hate that now is hidden among many jws will probably blow up in that moment.
 
LuisMerino9412 said:
Those who will belong to the great crowd will also be handed over the authorities and they make the biggest group. So along with Christ's faithful anointed ones, they will be betrayed by the unfaithful. The anger and hate that now is hidden among many jws will probably blow up in that moment.
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i don’t necessarily think this applies to those who have anger and hate toward the org who have already left the org, though i could be wrong. I’m still learning and i don’t just want correction on my beliefs, i ask for it, sometimes beg for it haha. So my questions sometimes seem elementary but i promise they are real. Sometimes i read the deep things and i get glassy eyed for example does the Gov Body has authority over JWs of any status ie active, inactive, unbaptized, disfellowed, disassociated, faded- i don’t think so, so I think that those prophesies point to those still within the congregations (active), who self-describe as yet under the authority of the GB. Is that correct?
 
xrt469 said:
I have been giving thought to the Harlot of Rev17-19. I think it may represent ALL organized religion, including the CCJW. Even an organization that Jehovah himself designed (Israel) was eventually ruined when humans got in the middle of things. Jeremiah 10:23 doesn't just apply to human governments. All structures where humans take the lead end up looking the same. Even though WT rejects having a clergy class, they have instituted one in every meaningful way. Printed words don't change reality. I think Rev18:4 will apply to the CCJW, too.
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They suffer from what Jesus warned about: "Keep your eyes open; look out for the leaven of the Pharisees and the leaven of Herod.” (Mr 8:15) The governing body actually did create a clergy laity separation when they identified the GB as the faithful slave. That's when they became a manager, supposedly directly appointed by Christ "over" his congregation. Last time I checked the Bible, that position belonged to Jesus as head, leader, teacher and mediator, while all the anointed are "brothers".

They have lifted themselves up to become the new bishops and have gone well beyond scripture in doing so. The Bishop wagon has come full circle.

How many JW's, including those claiming to be anointed, bothered to meditate on the what the GB said when they identified themselves as the FS in the following Watchtower? How many dared to compare it to Jesus teachings or the letters of the apostles and speak up! If they didn't shut their mouths they would be disfellowship by that sect. Most JW's were duped by such 'lying signs'. (2 Thes 2) How could anointed ones try to bring awareness to this development without being disfellowshipped and their voices forcibly silenced among JW's? But truth is now winning out thanks to this site and others like it!

July 15, 2013 Watchtower article “Who Really Is the Faithful and Discreet Slave?” (Brackets added)

Par 2 - “It is vital that we recognize the (GB as the) faithful slave. Our spiritual health and our relationship with God depend on this channel” (Following or 'belonging to' 8 or 9 anointed men as God's "channel" is the promotion of a sect and is spoken against by Paul at 1 Co 1:12-13)

Par 11 - “the faithful and discreet slave receives two distinct appointments. The first is over the domestics ” (Most would assume this is a direct or divine appointment by Christ because no one other than Christ has such authority. Their assertion of such an appointment is an outright lie, and they should have known better base on what the Insight Volume says about divine appointments. )

Par 12 – “In 1919, a time of spiritual revival, Jesus selected capable anointed brothers from among them to be the faithful and discreet slave and appointed them over his domestics.” (Look up the definition of Apostolic succession in the reasoning book, SUPRISE! )

Par 13 - “Early in the last days, the domestics were all anointed ones. Later, the domestics came to include the great crowd of other sheep.” (Being appointed over all the anointed domestics equals being appointed over Christ's cong. as a superior ruling body, like the bishops of old)

Par 14 - “The faithful and discreet slave is thus charged with the responsibility to manage the household of faith. That responsibility includes overseeing material assets, the preaching activity, assembly and convention programs, and the production of Bible literature for use in the field ministry and in personal and congregation study. The domestics depend on all the spiritual provisions dispensed by the composite slave.” (Speaks for itself, doesn't it!)
 
@KevinB

we can never know how many checked and compared the holy scriptures to the unscriptural rule by fiat that the Gov Body created for itself- like you said- the only way to know if any anointed brothers are checking and comparing the scriptures is when they speak out- yet when they do they’re silenced, or compelled to face a struggle session (judicial committee) and disfellowed.

It’s a near perfect system to inhibit communication. Now WT mask rule, right on cue- further stifles already inhibited communication.

The way some of these brothers and sisters deal with it is by leaking internal WT correspondence, acting as whistle blowers relating anecdotal experiences and observations to at least shine a light on the corruption.

Hopefuly faithful brothers and sisters find their way here or find alternative ways to convey scriptural truth, and the stark reality that the Gov Body, its legal team, corporate officers, helpers, COs and elders that uphold its unscriptural fiat rule, have turned the WT into the foretold apostate center of false worship that would develop immediately prior to Christ’s second coming.

thank you for the WT references and citations. para 12 - i see they’re still attaching their legitimacy to the 1914/1919 hoax. This can’t last much longer- their bucket of whitewash must be drying up by now. There will be no double-overlap of generations- it’s got to be a bridge too far even for the most indoctrinated JW.

Do you think the Gov Body reads this forum?
 
kenmuldoon55 said:
Bible isn’t very clear on the whole birthday celebration thing.
Christmas has become a commercialized day where many families find it convenient to get together and eat a meal and watch football.
Most holidays have reverted into such.
Get togethers and meals with no particular emphasis on religion.
Can’t see Jehovah condemning to eternal damnation such ones.
I guess if you view it as a pagan ritual and then do it, it’s a sin
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