YAH, the Complete Name of GOD? YAHSHUA, GOD Manifested in Flesh? "Believers - What Satan Doesn't Want You To Know"

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SelahGrace777

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Dear Everyone,

Would you take a look at this website and tell me what your thoughts are? I met this most lovely and learned man who is the writer of this message. He was a pastor and also a psychologist for many, many years. We met via what I would call "Divine Alignment" and he was carrying these little brochures that he created to share his message. (He is not part of any church.) As you will see, his name is nowhere on his work or website and he gifted me his book, which is very pure and beautiful. Like a book of deprogramming for people who have believed they were practicing true Christianity.

I am attaching one chapter(one page) of this book for you, entitled "Counterfeit Christianity":


YahshuaMessiah.com
 

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Maskita

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He might be a great person but I have some serious issues with his little booklet. If I am not mistaken, it seem this booklet is preaching a once saved always saved type of mentality. It's interesting it is written as a way of qualifying counterfeit versions of Christianity while promoting the Trinity doctrine and salvation by faith alone. The writer also appears to be using a logical fallacy called poisoning the well by saying things like if you hear these words then watch out. It then list common words like resurrection, Jesus, salvation, etc. It essentially programs you to distrust anyone using those words, which would make having any meaningful spiritual discussion counterproductive. Everybody knows Jesus is not the guy's real name.

But getting caught up over the pronunciation of words is a huge red herring. Jesus had multiple names even in the Bible. Jehovah likewise was probably pronounced differently too. The words and the sounds used are only important to us. Meaning is more important to Jehovah. He names himself. Not because he liked the way it sounded but because the name meant something. Not that I am against Trinitarians as like some kind of enemy or something. I sometimes agree with them. I'm pretty sure this guy right here in the following video is a Trinitarian. I disagree with him on the trinity, but I agree with his assessment of once saved always saved.

 
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Posstot

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Dear Everyone,

Would you take a look at this website and tell me what your thoughts are? I met this most lovely and learned man who is the writer of this message. He was a pastor and also a psychologist for many, many years. We met via what I would call "Divine Alignment" and he was carrying these little brochures that he created to share his message. (He is not part of any church.) As you will see, his name is nowhere on his work or website and he gifted me his book, which is very pure and beautiful. Like a book of deprogramming for people who have believed they were practicing true Christianity.

I am attaching one chapter(one page) of this book for you, entitled "Counterfeit Christianity":


YahshuaMessiah.com
Quote YahshuaMessiah.com: "Scripture however, tells us the ‘Son of God’ is the Almighty Father Himself."

So Jesus is Jehovah who died for us; then God is dead - I fail to see a connection with Christianity here.
 

יהוה_saves

Well-known member
i’m not seeing where it says once saved always saved. True it focuses on grace and faith for salvation but i think those things are true. that doesn’t mean once saved always saved. but i’m a little slow sometimes. or maybe i missed something.

i generally agree with these things in the pamphlet. but why does he use the hebrew pronunciation of Jesus?
 
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SelahGrace777

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i’m not seeing where it says once saved always saved. True it focuses on grace and faith for salvation but i think those things are true. that doesn’t mean once saved always saved. but i’m a little slow sometimes. or maybe i missed something.

i generally agree with these things in the pamphlet. but why does he use the hebrew pronunciation of Jesus?
He explains all of that in the website links.
 
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SelahGrace777

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Quote YahshuaMessiah.com: "Scripture however, tells us the ‘Son of God’ is the Almighty Father Himself."

So Jesus is Jehovah who died for us; then God is dead - I fail to see a connection with Christianity here.
He is saying that God, created a vessel and that His Being/Person/Personality entered that vessel and became flesh for that period of time. What part isn't Christian about that explanation?
 
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SelahGrace777

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He might be a great person but I have some serious issues with his little booklet. If I am not mistaken, it seem this booklet is preaching a once saved always saved type of mentality. It's interesting it is written as a way of qualifying counterfeit versions of Christianity while promoting the Trinity doctrine and salvation by faith alone. The writer also appears to be using a logical fallacy called poisoning the well by saying things like if you hear these words then watch out. It then list common words like resurrection, Jesus, salvation, etc. It essentially programs you to distrust anyone using those words, which would make having any meaningful spiritual discussion counterproductive. Everybody knows Jesus is not the guy's real name.

But getting caught up over the pronunciation of words is a huge red herring. Jesus had multiple names even in the Bible. Jehovah likewise was probably pronounced differently too. The words and the sounds used are only important to us. Meaning is more important to Jehovah. He names himself. Not because he liked the way it sounded but because the name meant something. Not that I am against Trinitarians as like some kind of enemy or something. I sometimes agree with them. I'm pretty sure this guy right here in the following video is a Trinitarian. I disagree with him on the trinity, but I agree with his assessment of once saved always saved.

This was one page of a book. I don't think you looked at the website? And if we are going to proclaim God's name then WHY isn't pronunciation important? Isn't it important for many other names? Wouldn't it bring us closer to Him if we were to make an effort at accuracy? Don't words have sound and distinct frequency?
 

יהוה_saves

Well-known member
This was one page of a book. I don't think you looked at the website? And if we are going to proclaim God's name then WHY isn't pronunciation important? Isn't it important for many other names? Wouldn't it bring us closer to Him if we were to make an effort at accuracy? Don't words have sound and distinct frequency?
i agrée. and no didn’t look at the website yet but i am now. im sorry i just look at the pictures, i thought that was the link. duh. i’m slow tonight.
 
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SelahGrace777

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i agrée. and no didn’t look at the website yet but i am now.
If people would just give it a REAL CHANCE, I think he has something here. I HATE the JW programming of, "I've already concluded my conclusions so I can't reexamine them even in the face of another perspective!" mindset.
 

יהוה_saves

Well-known member
The Bible states clearly “faith by itself without works is dead” (James 2:17) yes none of us can earn salvation as we know it is a gift but as the scriptures also state “Nevertheless someone will say, you have faith and I have works, show me your faith without the works and I will show you my faith by my works” (Verse 18) the chapter continues in James from verse 20 “But do you care to know O empty man, that faith without works is useless. 21 Was not Abraham our father declared righteous by works after he offered up Isaac his son on the altar? 22 You see that his faith was active along with his works and his faith was perfected by his works”
We are only saved whilst we remain actively showing our faith.
i take that too mean that if one has faith their faith will automatically move them to works because love. Love for Jesus will move us to obey his words. Yes, one must obey the law of Christ, and faith that he is the King and is the Christ will move us to obey him because we love him.
 
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SelahGrace777

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Does a person need to eat an entire apple to know it is bad? The one page mentions “counterfeit christians” as using words like Jesus Christ, resurrection etc, so if the website is implying that those words are wrong then the website is bad and misleading people.
I have the entire book in my lap which I said was beautiful and pure. Presumably, you've been sifting through the organization's dribble for awhile and managed to discover some treasure of truth?
 
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SelahGrace777

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As I stated previously, he states exactly why the Trinity is UNFOUNDED on the website. You have jumped to conclusions based on some preconceived triggered ideas and are unable to explore the concept beyond that.
 
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Posstot

Guest
He is saying that God, created a vessel and that His Being/Person/Personality entered that vessel and became flesh for that period of time. What part isn't Christian about that explanation?
OK, God became flesh and then died; so either He is dead, or faked His death for us because He cannot really die - again, what is Christian about that?
 
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SelahGrace777

Guest
OK, God became flesh and then died; so either He is dead, or faked His death for us because He cannot really die - again, what is Christian about that?
I doubt that you read his explanation so why are you commenting? I asked for a real consideration of these ideas which I feel have merit.
 
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SelahGrace777

Guest
No he doesn’t because he believes that Jesus is God the father so he just believes a different variation that is all, he is still believing a lie.
I think that to you, it's the same. I don't think you're grasping it and that's why I've asked you to read his website repeatedly but you can't because it's all lies and you can tell from here.

Why are you being a rude troll?
 

Biblebug

Member
I think that to you, it's the same. I don't think you're grasping it and that's why I've asked you to read his website repeatedly but you can't because it's all lies and you can tell from here.

Why are you being a rude troll?
Hi 777. Can you cut to the chase for me? Does this guy teach eternal hell torment? Does he teach Jesus is almighty God The Father?
 
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SelahGrace777

Guest
Hi 777. Can you cut to the chase for me? Does this guy teach eternal hell torment? Does he teach Jesus is almighty God The Father?
Are you kidding? WHO CARES? He isn't a religion. I'm not asking you to follow him, I'm asking you to look at his insights regarding our Father and consider if they have merit. But that CAN'T be done unless you read his explanations.

This is NOT the brainstorming community, got it.
 

יהוה_saves

Well-known member
Hi, so do you believe that Jesus is God and that we either go to heaven or eternal hell because that is what it says on his website?
hi- and heavens no. i’ll never believe that jesus is god and that our destiny is heaven or hell. it’s life or death.

i just read his website. let me say once and for all- i do not believe that Jesus is God. I do not believe in once saved always saved. I do not believe bad people go to hell, or even that hell exists except for its definition as the common grave of mankind.
 
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