Disfellowship is it Christian? And shunning ?

Nomex

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I guess I can tell this story while I'm at it. This same congregation had basically levels of shunning. When I first moved into the congregation, a brother that i worked with in that congregation invited me to a witness gathering. Then he told me the next day one of the elders told him i couldn't come, they didn't know anything about me. Well two things here, I wasn't sure I was even going because I didn't know anyone in that hall, but I told this friend of mine if this elder wanted to un-invite me he was going to have to do it himself. He called me up and told me i couldn't come because they didn't know anything about me. I told him "I am a brother in good standing in the congregation." He said, "you could say anything." And I said, "Yeah, and I can also give you a list of elders from my previous congregation and you can call them if you want to find out about me." He basically said he wasn't doing anything wrong, and that they didn't care what my elders said. Except he said it a lot worse than that. This was brother "dodge the tackles" minion, who also got DF'd years later for cheating on his wife!
 

Cherry

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I guess I can tell this story while I'm at it. This same congregation had basically levels of shunning. When I first moved into the congregation, a brother that i worked with in that congregation invited me to a witness gathering. Then he told me the next day one of the elders told him i couldn't come, they didn't know anything about me. Well two things here, I wasn't sure I was even going because I didn't know anyone in that hall, but I told this friend of mine if this elder wanted to un-invite me he was going to have to do it himself. He called me up and told me i couldn't come because they didn't know anything about me. I told him "I am a brother in good standing in the congregation." He said, "you could say anything." And I said, "Yeah, and I can also give you a list of elders from my previous congregation and you can call them if you want to find out about me." He basically said he wasn't doing anything wrong, and that they didn't care what my elders said. Except he said it a lot worse than that. This was brother "dodge the tackles" minion, who also got DF'd years later for cheating on his wife!
I understand. In my congregation the daughter of a sister who was only an unbaptized publisher was treated like an outcast when she began dating a young man out of the world. Imagine! She wasn't JW yet, and they treated her like an expelled. Do you know where that girl is now? ... I'll tell you, outside of the congregation. This is the result of the Pharisaic "lawless man" protocols. Most of JW have become Pharisees. What a pity!
 

Nomex

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Do you know where that girl is now? ... I'll tell you, outside of the congregation.
My father used to talk about this a lot. He had seen it happen where a brother would show interest in a sister and the parents would put a stop to it. You know where they ended up? My Dad used to say the parents were saving their daughter for a worldly guy! I saw it happen a couple times too. One time I was trying to befriend a young brother who's dad was an elder, mind you I was in my 30's and married, but because this elder had seen my "file" I wasn't good association. I had offered to take the kid surfing with me...anyway guess where he went? It's SO LOVING!
 

Ireneo

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I agree that there must be a system of judgment within the congregation, but the sinner must be given the opportunity to have witnesses by his side at his own trial. That would prevent abuse. The elders would think twice before abusing their authority.

In any case, I still believe that expulsion should not lead to solitary confinement. It is one thing to avoid the close relationship, and quite another to not cross any words. Expulsion of the unrepentant yes, absolute isolation no. You just have to study the way Jesus treated sinners. He also said: "With the judgment that they judge, they will be judged." It is a sentence.
If what you say is true, if the accused wants to bring someone they trust, they should be allowed
Regarding not speaking with expelled, it is true that not all cases are the same and each one must decide
I remember a brother who betrayed his wife
He was expelled and no one spoke to him
I was looking forward to meeting him to say a few things to him haha
I never made a point of not talking to them
The only ones I don't talk to are apostates
But expelled if
 

Paz

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It’s very sad and extremely unloving. This cruel spirit is progressively damaging the congregations, many ordinary brother and sisters keep there heads down and get on with serving Jehovah but it’s very hard for them. Sisters are less vulnerable but brothers have to learn not to have any extra privileges otherwise they are gently pressured to add to the judgmental spirit. These ones who are enduring within and continue to preach are to be admired. This includes those in lands of persecution. Since March 2020 this has changed the face to face preaching work is stopped by the command of the GB. This is very worrying. Maybe what is being said on this site is going to happen??
 

Chloe

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Having read the book. My beloved religion’ by Rolf Furuli. The chapter on disfellowshipping is interesting as he says that there are actually 11 or 12 (can’t remember) disfellowshipping offences in the Bible. The Shepherd the flock of God book has approx 41. They make it up as they go along.
 

Paz

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Thank you all for your contributions, most feel some sort of discipline within the congregation are needed. Others are adamant that expelling, is essential, brother Russell condemned all forms of disfellowshipping, some Adventist groups were practicing this Catholic policy. Some have claimed Jw disfellowshipping is bad and other forms of disfellowshiping is good. Neither the word disfellowship or the trinity appear in scripture so does that mean there is a good trinity! How did the Russell Bible students keep the congregation clean. I believe Rutherford followed the same simple policy so this seemed to work. Perhaps someone can explain it to me.
Another comment is with good people involved and it works fine. Who knows who is good. Jesus denied being ‘good‘ himself saying only his Father is good.
Of course in James it says call the older men, to help those spiritual weak. The advice and shepherding is needed that will include kind disapline but is disfellowshipping necessary. ? My point is say a brother fancies a married sister who returns his feelings they are tempted into an affair. Say he failed to respond to scriptual councel and they run off together have an affair. This is unrepentant sinning so expel them. My point is they are grown ups over the age of 18 have they broken any of Caesar s laws. If so they deal with Caesar it’s not a congregation matter. If not then what? Have they sinned against the congregation? No they have sinned to one another and family members, the faithful spouse. So the family the wronged spouse has recourse to law, Caesar s divorce law, bear in mind those legally married are within law of Caesar. It is not a congregation problem.
Some quote the Jewish nation but laws at that time we’re national law, this included Caesar and religious. Since Christian times there are two laws Christian and Caesar’s. Jesus was Cristal clear ‘give Caesars things to Caesar’ . What is Christian law ? it’s certainly not those listed in the secret elders book [that should not exist(masionic)]. It can be laws created in a religion but who creates them.
Others in there comments sound incensed about sexual abuse and how important it is for the disfellowshipping policy. Emotionalism is something Caesar does not employ they have properly qualified personalle to investigate , gather evidence, apprehend and prosecute. They operate proper courts and prison sentences as needed. Any one complainant within the congregation will need to be immediately passed to these professionals, Congregational interference breaches Christs directions. As for the Corinthian example that was well known outside the congregation of sex between a step mum and her step son. Being well known expelling is not necessarily. In the preaching work if asked the congregation member can say yes we are disgusted to. That is why you won’t see us with these people either preaching or socialising. Some seem to be bent on revenge feeling so offended but was Jesus ever offended? One couple who had family experience with sexual abuse were adamant with me that hell was vital for justice. They stopped their bible study when I told them Hell is a creation of Satan. It’s just the grave.
Christian Regards to you all brothers and sisters. P
 

Cherry

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Thank you all for your contributions, most feel some sort of discipline within the congregation are needed. Others are adamant that expelling, is essential, brother Russell condemned all forms of disfellowshipping, some Adventist groups were practicing this Catholic policy. Some have claimed Jw disfellowshipping is bad and other forms of disfellowshiping is good. Neither the word disfellowship or the trinity appear in scripture so does that mean there is a good trinity! How did the Russell Bible students keep the congregation clean. I believe Rutherford followed the same simple policy so this seemed to work. Perhaps someone can explain it to me.
Another comment is with good people involved and it works fine. Who knows who is good. Jesus denied being ‘good‘ himself saying only his Father is good.
Of course in James it says call the older men, to help those spiritual weak. The advice and shepherding is needed that will include kind disapline but is disfellowshipping necessary. ? My point is say a brother fancies a married sister who returns his feelings they are tempted into an affair. Say he failed to respond to scriptual councel and they run off together have an affair. This is unrepentant sinning so expel them. My point is they are grown ups over the age of 18 have they broken any of Caesar s laws. If so they deal with Caesar it’s not a congregation matter. If not then what? Have they sinned against the congregation? No they have sinned to one another and family members, the faithful spouse. So the family the wronged spouse has recourse to law, Caesar s divorce law, bear in mind those legally married are within law of Caesar. It is not a congregation problem.
Some quote the Jewish nation but laws at that time we’re national law, this included Caesar and religious. Since Christian times there are two laws Christian and Caesar’s. Jesus was Cristal clear ‘give Caesars things to Caesar’ . What is Christian law ? it’s certainly not those listed in the secret elders book [that should not exist(masionic)]. It can be laws created in a religion but who creates them.
Others in there comments sound incensed about sexual abuse and how important it is for the disfellowshipping policy. Emotionalism is something Caesar does not employ they have properly qualified personalle to investigate , gather evidence, apprehend and prosecute. They operate proper courts and prison sentences as needed. Any one complainant within the congregation will need to be immediately passed to these professionals, Congregational interference breaches Christs directions. As for the Corinthian example that was well known outside the congregation of sex between a step mum and her step son. Being well known expelling is not necessarily. In the preaching work if asked the congregation member can say yes we are disgusted to. That is why you won’t see us with these people either preaching or socialising. Some seem to be bent on revenge feeling so offended but was Jesus ever offended? One couple who had family experience with sexual abuse were adamant with me that hell was vital for justice. They stopped their bible study when I told them Hell is a creation of Satan. It’s just the grave.
Christian Regards to you all brothers and sisters. P
The problem within the WT from my perspective, is not that someone is deprived of close company with the congregation for committing a sin and not repentance, but in the most absolute ostracism to which they are subjected. I was removed from the inside by a video of the WT where an expelled daughter called her family's house and her mother saw the phone number and did not accept the call. What if you need help? ... What if you have a serious problem? ... That's what I can't understand! Jesus never acted like this! He was kind and treated everyone, especially sinners, with dignity. But the WT and its hidden black hand have transformed the JW robots without feelings, because they are supposed to be supporting Jehovah's loving discipline. What blasphemy !!
 
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RR144

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brother Russell condemned all forms of disfellowshipping,
While Russell may not have practiced disfellowshipping as the JW's do today. He did practice discipline within the congregation. Unlike the JW's today who are disciplined by the elders, Russell believed that the congregation was to do the discipling. Below is a subheading volume six of Studies in the Scriptures, The New Creation, study 6.

DISCIPLINE IN THE ECCLESIA
—Matt. 18:15-18—​

The administration of discipline is not the function of the elders only, but of the entire Church. If one appears to be in error or in sin, his supposed wrong should be pointed out to the erring one only by the one he has injured, or by the member first discovering the wrong. If the reproved one fails to clear himself, and continues in the error or sin, then two or three brethren without previous prejudice should be asked to hear the matter and advise the disputants. (Elders they may or may not be, but their eldership would add no force or authority in the case except as their judgment might be the riper and their influence the more potent.) If this committee decide unanimously with either party, the other should acquiesce and the matter be wholly at an end—correction, or restitution, so far as possible, being promptly made. If either of the original disputants still persists in the wrong course, the one who made the original charge or one of those called in committee or, preferably, all of these together, may then (but not sooner) exercise their privilege of bringing the matter before the Ecclesia, the body, the Church. Thus it is evident that the Elders were in no sense to be judges of the members—hearing and judgment were left to the local body, or Church.

The two preliminary steps (above mentioned) having been taken, the facts being certified to the elders, it would be their duty to call a general meeting of the Ecclesia, or consecrated body, as a court—to hear the case in all of its particulars, and in the name and reverence of its Head to render a decision. And the matter should be so clear, and the condemned should have such generous treatment, that the decision would be a unanimous one, or nearly so. Thus the peace and oneness of the body (the Ecclesia) would be preserved. Repentance even up to the moment of the Church’s condemnation is possible. Nay, to secure repentance and reform is the very object of every step of these proceedings—to reclaim the transgressor; his punishment not at all the object. Punishment is not ours but God’s: “Vengeance is mine, I will repay, saith the Lord.” (Rom. 12:19) Should the wrongdoer repent at any step in this proceeding, it should be a cause of thanksgiving and rejoicing to all who possess the Lord’s Spirit, and no others are members of his body.—Rom. 8:9

Indeed, even if the transgressor refuse to hear (obey) the decision of the entire Church, no punishment is to be inflicted or even attempted. What then? Merely the Church is to withdraw from him its fellowship and any and all signs or manifestations of brotherhood. Thenceforth the offender is to be treated “as a heathen man and a publican.”—Matt. 18:17

At no time in these proceedings are the faults or failings of the offender to be made public property—scandalizing him and the Church, and the Lord, the Head of the Church. Nor is he to be harshly spoken of even after the separation; just as we are not to berate, or rail against, heathen men and publicans, but are to “speak evil of no man” and to “do good unto all men.” (Titus 3:2; Gal. 6:10) Love is the quality which insists on the strictest obedience to these last two requirements to “all men”: how much more will love insist that a “brother,” a fellow-member in the Ecclesia, the body of Christ, shall not only not be injured by false or garbled statements, but that additionally, his weaknesses or blunders or sins be carefully covered, not from the unsympathetic world only, but also from “the household of faith” and from even the Church—until the final step of ::page 291:: “telling it to the Church” should be found absolutely necessary. At every step the spirit of love will hope that the wrongdoer is laboring under some misapprehensions, and will be praying for wisdom and grace to turn a sinner from the error of his way and thus (possibly) to save a soul from death.—James 5:20

Oh, that the Holy Spirit, the spirit of love, might dwell in every member of the Ecclesia so richly that it would give pain to hear a defamatory tale about any one, and especially about a fellow-member! This would at once eliminate one-half the friction, or more. Nor would the following of the above procedure, outlined by our Lord, lead to frequent church trials: rather, while removing the ground for animosities, it would inculcate a respect for the judgment of the Church as being the judgment of the Lord, and the voice of the Church would be heard and obeyed accordingly. Furthermore, with order and love thus prevailing we may be sure that each would seek as far as possible to “mind his own business” and not attempt to reprove his brother or correct him, or bring the matter before a committee or the Church, unless the matter were one of some importance as concerned himself or the Church or the Truth.

Unquestionably, the majority of the Church troubles (and society and family troubles as well) spring not from a desire to wrong, nor even from a wrong unintentionally committed, but from misunderstandings and, at least, partial misinterpretations of intentions or motives. The tongue is the general mischief-maker; and it is part of the spirit of a sound mind, therefore, to set a guard upon the lips as well as upon the heart, from which proceed the ungenerous sentiments which, the lips expressing, set fire to evil passions and often injure many. The New Creation—the Church—has strict instructions from their Lord and Head on this important subject. His spirit of love is to fill them as they go alone, privately, to the injuring person without previous conference or talking with anyone. They go not to make him (or her) ashamed of his conduct, nor to berate him or otherwise punish, but to secure a cessation of the wrong and, if possible, some recompense for injury already received. Telling others of the wrong, first or afterward, is unkind, unloving—contrary to the Word and Spirit of our Head. Not even to ask advice should the matter be told: we have the Lord’s advice and should follow it. If the case be a peculiar one, the wisest of the elders should be asked for advice along the lines of a hypothetical case, so as not to disclose the real trouble and wrongdoer.

Unless the trouble is serious, the matter ought to stop with the personal appeal to the erring one, whether he hears or forebears to hear—to yield. But if the second step be deemed necessary, no explanation of the trouble should be made to those asked to confer until they gather in the presence of the accuser and the accused. Thus slanderous “talk” will be avoided and the committee of brethren will come to the case unbiased and be the better able to counsel both parties wisely; for the trouble may be on both sides, or, possibly, wholly on the side of the accuser. At all events, the accused will be favorably impressed by such fair treatment and will be much more likely to yield to such counselors if his course seems to them also to be wrong. But whether the one deemed by the committee to be in error shall yield or not, the whole matter is still strictly private, and not a mention of it should be made to anyone until, if thought sufficiently important, it is brought before the Church, and passed upon finally. Then for the first time it is common property to the saints only, and in proportion as they are saints they will desire to say no more than necessary to anyone respecting the weaknesses or sins of anybody.

In carrying out the findings of the Church court, the matter rests with each individual; hence, each must discern the justice of the decision for himself. The penalty of withdrawal of fellowship is designed to be a correction in righteousness, and is of the Lord’s prescribing. It is to serve as a protection to the Church, to separate those who walk disorderly, not after the spirit of love. It is not to be esteemed a perpetual separation, but merely until the reproved one shall recognize and acknowledge his wrong and to the extent of his ability make amends.
 

Biblebug

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This answer indicates that you do feel the Christian congregation has scriptural reasons to expel ex communicate and disfellowship to maintain cleanness in the congregation this I cannot agree with what’s so ever. The scriptures used do not provide a real excuse for this. I have experienced this evil policy and 100k ‘s of ex witnesses maybe up to a million+ over the years have been unchristianly expelled. Since 1874 till 1953 it was not WT policy. The only elder who practiced this apostate practice was Diotrephes 3John in the first century and was condemned by the apostle John.
jesus ‘I came to save not to judge’. To Peter he asked him do you love me? Shepherd my sheep. He repelated this 3 times never mentioning Judging. In fact a literal shepherd never Judges his sheep. When is it the time for Jesus to judge? Not Yet. If Jesus has not started Judging yet who is any man to start! Jews feared to become followers of Christ in the first century due to the apostate practices of the synagogue of expelling.
So how do we deal with Christians who are sinning ? The congregation cannot be kept clean we are all sinners. What did Jesus do? Read John 8: 1-11 interesting the GB excluded this portion to their revised bible version.
Men wanted to judge the prostitute and quoted the law but Jesus said ‘he who has no sin, cast the first stone.’
He only suggested she practice sin no more. Another crafty addition Knorr made was sinning without showing repentance entitled elders to ex communicate their brother to enable him to repent. Humans cannot read hearts only Christ can and he chooses not to yet judge. This put these judges in an impossible position even the GB has never disfellowshippEd anybody. Raymond Franz voluntarily left the GB 2 years later a committee of three elders of GC class did so on spurious grounds. Most certainly men cannot de baptise a person, Satan may feel he can try but not men. So how did Jesus deal with wrongdoers and apostates. To one young righteous Jew he said ‘follow me’ he made excuses and left. Others deciples he stumblEd they walked away in disgust. He turned to Peter and said ‘are you going as well?’
Any reading of the gospels shows that Christs followers were consistently badly behaved arguing, who is better, hundreds of times he was left on his own while they argued. An example the woman at the well. When his followers did arrive they were United in there feelings of him wasting his time with Samaritans. These ones he called his children, they really were, children are not fit to judge on another. Judas Iscariat betrayed Jesus as an apostate Jesus never felt any need to set up a committee of apostles to expel him from the body of followers, followers left when they wanted too. Human were given free will in the garden of Eden. In fact Jesus said in Mth 7:1-5 ‘ Do Not Judge‘ . So we as followers of Christ have no right to judge anybody anytime anywhere. Any other approach in lacking in humility and putting ourselves above Christ. My next comment will explain why the introduction of this teaching into JWs in 1953 was the beginning of the evil slave growth. My fear is for the rank and file over 8million existing brothers and sisters who have slaved for Jehovah preaching and carry his divine name. Thank you dear Brothers.

Paz said:
With the 100k + disfellowshippings in the watchtower why then was there so many Child abuse cases only resolved by Caesars court action outside of the religion If disfellowshipping works?

Sure it works! If your goal is to 'abhor what is wicked'. Rehabilitation is up to the gross sinner. People are removed from this forum!
In the congregation if the unrepentant keep popping up keep removing them untill no one is left, no worries.
(1 Corinthians 5:13) . . .“Remove the wicked [man or woman] from among yourselves.”
 

Paz

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RR144 thank you for you research and the though quote from Russells own hand. I agree with every word, in his comments saying ‘elders were in no sense to be judges’. Even at the last moment within the meeting of the ecclesia to make a vote the sinner can express repentance and the vote will stop. Notice here no reading of hearts, no secrecy, and no gossiping.
The punishment if a near majority vote for it, it’s not expelling or disfellowship it’s a separation of the disorderly and this means the withdrawal of fellowship. Then he adds this person should be treated like those on the outside, which for us is with kindness, politeness. As many of you have expressed through personal experience the witnesses treat disfellowshipped persons much worst than their worldly neighbors who we share the good news and show friendlyness. Shunning is a gross sin and it’s proven by worldly experts to be a kind of torture, it breaches certain UN charters that the Russian state applied in their ban against the witnesses. This process was also designed as a temporary measure Russel does not mention they are de brotherEd or that their baptism is severed. He alway expresses Christ view of seeing a return and there being a welcome. Some say what about child sex abusers? My point is the first mention by an individual of sexual abuse and it must be handed over to Caesar’s authorities they have laws and due process to deal with this remember Jehovah provides them for this purpose. Thus it is not a congregation matter. The same would apply to any Caesars lawbreaking such as stealing. Russell also states that this is an in frequent matter so he believes it to be rarely. Thank you RR144 christian regards P
 
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Posstot

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The punishment . . . is not expelling or disfellowship, it’s a separation of the disorderly and this means the withdrawal of fellowship . . . Shunning is a gross sin and . . .

The definition of 'disfellowshiping' is 'withdrawal of fellowship.'

Shunning should be no more than withdrawing fellowship, just like Christian's wouldn't normally fellowship with unbelievers.
 
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Paz

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The Apostle Paul instructed the congregation to expel the man sinning with his step mum. So in that "specific" case, your viewpoint would be in conflict with the Apostle.
Hi JehuChariot The Apostle Paul does not say ‘expel’ in the scripture he says ‘remove’ this is compatible with Bro Russel’s process mentioned in another strand. Any search in history will indicate that expelling, disfellowshipping and ex communication is a Satanic process thoroughly condemned by Christ.
 

TheJehuChariot

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Hi JehuChariot The Apostle Paul does not say ‘expel’ in the scripture he says ‘remove’ this is compatible with Bro Russel’s process mentioned in another strand. Any search in history will indicate that expelling, disfellowshipping and ex communication is a Satanic process thoroughly condemned by Christ.
Dear "Paz", you've raised a good point. But, I must take "pause" and ask...are you familiar with the word "symantics"? It may possibly trouble your argument. But between you and me, oh how I wish you are right. I'm asking Jesus for sure...
 

Ireneo

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Hi JehuChariot The Apostle Paul does not say ‘expel’ in the scripture he says ‘remove’ this is compatible with Bro Russel’s process mentioned in another strand. Any search in history will indicate that expelling, disfellowshipping and ex communication is a Satanic process thoroughly condemned by Christ.
Dear peace
I do not understand what you propose
You say excommunication or expulsion is Satanic
In 1 Corinthians Paul clearly says "remove the wicked one from among you" it is more that he "has judged"
In fact he says don't eat with that man
There in verse 4 he says "hand that man over to satan"
He says it in other places too
What is to hand over satan? Simply reject it and have no communion with it
The reason is explained by Juan

He said

1 John 1: 5 And this is the message that we have heard from him and we are announcing to you: + that God is light + and there is no darkness whatsoever in union with him. * + 6 If we make the statement: * “We have participation with him” , and yet we go on walking in the dark, + we are lying and we are not practicing the truth. + 7 However, if we walk in the light, as he himself is in the light, + we do have participation with each other, + and the Blood + of Jesus his Son cleanses us + from all sin. +

He also said

1 John 2: 4 He who says: “I have come to know him,” + and yet is not keeping his commandments, + is a liar, and the truth is not in this [person]. + 5 But anyone who does observe his word, + truly in this [person] love for God has been perfected. + By this we have the knowledge that we are in union with him. + 6 He who says he remains in union + with him is obliged himself also to keep walking Just as that one walked. +

It is very interesting to read all 1 juan to see what he says but in summary

if someone is sinning and says that he is in union with Christ he should be MARKED AS A LIAR
He logically he is not united to the congregation and we must separate ourselves from him

And if he departs he wants to abandon what is right and never come back
Should we treat him like a person without knowledge?
Pedro says that those who know the way and turn away are in a worse situation than those who did not know
If one strays from the path he has betrayed God
How can you act like nothing is wrong with a person who does that?
For me the expulsion is very clear in all the writing
It is true that the resource is sometimes abused
It is also true that injustices have been committed
But that is not why we are going to deny that biblical teaching
The system the organization uses has flaws and would like them to be corrected
But if we changed the system there would also be defects
It is simply unrealistic to find a perfect system that avoids mistakes
Errors are human and will always exist
The problem is the lack of spirituality and knowledge when dealing with issues
Seeing how to expel teaching is a problem is to lose sight of the fact that the problem is the people involved
What we have are principles
Systems and procedures come and go
Many times depend on local culture and laws
What must be understood are the principles and apply them
If a brother sins, he does not repent and persists in sin, we must cut off the deal with him to help him understand
You cannot deny that because it is clear in the writing
On you differentiation of remove and expel you have not taken into account the Greek word
The word is:
exairo (ἐξαίρω, G1808), remove from the middle of (ek, outside of, and airo, see No. 1). It is used of ecclesial discipline in 1Co_5: 13; in 1Co_5: 2 it is used in TR: "was removed", instead of No. 1, which appears in the mss. most commonly accepted.
The action was taken by the congregation and was "to remove the sinner from their midst AFTER HAVING JUDGED THE ACTION
That is simply to expel him, the concept is biblical
 
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RR144

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RR144 thank you for you research and the though quote from Russells own hand.
You're welcome. One thing I have found is that we should keep the congregation clean of all immoral sins, especially if such sins are affecting the spirituality of the congregation. Now when it comes to issues of doctrine, I find that normally a person who no longer believes as the congregation does will eventually part ways on his/her own. After all why continue fellowshipping with those who do not have your belief system?

Of course, if such a person begins to disrupt the meetings with their questioning then the congregation may take action. I have been privy to both cases.

RR
 
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