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Thank you , I will
Canadian pastor says health officials offered church $50,000 to push vaccines
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Yupyup_yup
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Then I read the chapters of
Isa. 30
Jer. 23
Jer. 30
PS 91 -- Which was quote to Jesus from the devil... Jesus reply was not put God to test
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I think explicitly of the time frame that we are in right now
Each one of these chapters contain the coveted "Happy is the one that keeps in expectation" remarks"
Which is found several times in Daniel 12 regarding the end - linked the 1290s and 1335s days
3 and a 1/2 years
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Ezekiel 13:10 All of this is because they have led my people astray by saying, “There is peace!” when there is no peace. When a flimsy partition wall is built, they are plastering it with whitewash.
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thank you for that clarification
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Sincere condolences to both @Sundial and @Back to True Worship
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I have stated here and have shared with my wife and children and others who are or were Jw's ...I believe we are in the fulfillment of the 1290 days and that on October 29 2023 , we will see the disgusting thing stand in the holy place ...if and only if the March 20, 2020 date is the removal of the constant feature spoke of in Daniel 12: 11...that date was historical to the GB as the preaching and meetings , Publicly went out of sight and underground as it were with zoom and phone and letter writing ...it seems to me that the temporary lives of people over a fake pandemic were more important than the chance for people to hear the good news via a live person , face to face in public...and have a chance to gain a life.
The Org. has now resumed not public preaching house to house or return visit work but only cart work.....maybe they will start up the music video again on the cart work to promote it...lol. And by the way I have heard on the so called conspiracy theorists that the UN will make a special announcement in October 2023,....when I heard about that , I almost ...well you know. Fainted....LOL
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I just posted this to Facebook and have a lot of Jw followers from around the world, and I hope this will cause some to think seriously about this , as the GB has stated in pushing the vaccines, that we can trust them as they have no monetary reason to tell the brothers to take this ...or not .of course I did not insinuate anything specific but asked if all religious organizations would have been offered and taken advantage of it....LOL and so far , I have not heard back from the Judical committee , as I refused to meet with them , telling them , what would be the point as they have already made their decision and I am not going to change my position of the apostasy.You could actually get another $100,000 for promoting vaccine (confidence) out of a non-profit,' the Saskatchewan minister said.
MELFORT, Saskatchewan (LifeSiteNews) — A senior Canadian Christian pastor alleged that public health officials offered his church $50,000 if they agreed to promote “vaccine confidence” to parishioners.
In a video posted online June 12 by Diverge Media, senior pastor Paul Dubois of the Northeast Christian Fellowship in Melfort, Saskatchewan, made the shocking claim to a crowd.
We have a Christian school in our church, and I got this from public health, and it is a quite amazing thing. I’m not throwing my mail out anymore because we got asked to support vaccine confidence as a church with a non-profit, and the government was going to give us $50,000 for it,” Dubois said.
“And when I got that letter, I shredded it — and I never should have shredded it.”
Dubois then continued by saying to a person in the crowd, “I did send you a website.”
It was only $50,000. You could actually get another $100,000 for promoting vaccine (confidence) out of a non-profit,” Dubois said.
“So, the government, they were actually joining forces with non-profit(s).”
Dubois took out what he said was an offer letter from government officials that stated, to “help reduce vaccine anxiety in school.”
“And they want us vaccine confidence in schools, it’s on the down take right now. Kids aren’t getting as much as they were,” Dubois noted.
He then called the whole thing “propaganda.”
Dubois’ church in early January posted the lettering on its sign reading, “All welcome, vaxed or unvaxed. No segregation.”
This week, Canadian Health Minister Jean-Yves Duclos said the government will update the definition of being “fully vaccinated” from two doses of the COVID injections to three.
Canadian pastor says health officials offered church $50,000 to push vaccines - LifeSite
'You could actually get another $100,000 for promoting vaccine (confidence) out of a non-profit,' the Saskatchewan minister said.www.lifesitenews.com
יהוה_saves
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The scriptures say if anyone is sick let him call the older men of the congregation that they may pray over him and make the sick one well- it appears the elders have it reversed- they call in whom THEY perceive to be sick based on their false perceptions- perhaps tell them you’re not sick at all. In fact, you’re quite well, thank you.
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i’m just a cart. . .
Yupyup_yup
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Yes initially I was thinking the same thing the date I had down was March 15 2020
That was the day I got the group overseer call with the covid letter read to me and asked to study Isa 30:15--- The only part I really took home was the "you were not willing" part
Which didn't make sense to me until they started to promote the juice and the "safe and effective" was called around the world -- Dec 15 2020 until today - (I think "Safe and effective = Peace and Security")
WT Dec 2006 - Is highlights from the book of Isaiah 1
30:15. Salvation by Jehovah requires that we show faith by “resting,” or refraining, from seeking salvation through human schemes. By “keeping undisturbed,” or not being fearful, we also demonstrate trust in Jehovah’s ability to protect us.
The gb did the complete opposite - they got disturbed they got fearful they did not show trust in Jehovah saving power instead they made alliances and are trusting in human schemes
Just like Jehovah foretold at Isa 30:15c
Just like many religions around the world
Leaving it for individuals to make up their own minds and show their true faith
That is the date for me was March 14th 2020
That was the day I got the group overseer call with the covid letter read to me and asked to study Isa 30:15--- The only part I really took home was the "you were not willing" part
Which didn't make sense to me until they started to promote the juice and the "safe and effective" was called around the world -- Dec 15 2020 until today - (I think "Safe and effective = Peace and Security")
WT Dec 2006 - Is highlights from the book of Isaiah 1
30:15. Salvation by Jehovah requires that we show faith by “resting,” or refraining, from seeking salvation through human schemes. By “keeping undisturbed,” or not being fearful, we also demonstrate trust in Jehovah’s ability to protect us.
The gb did the complete opposite - they got disturbed they got fearful they did not show trust in Jehovah saving power instead they made alliances and are trusting in human schemes
Just like Jehovah foretold at Isa 30:15c
Just like many religions around the world
Leaving it for individuals to make up their own minds and show their true faith
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Just to tell you about myself a little, so you know who I am and my experiences with the Organization and how I came to be here.
As I said , I was baptized on June 5, 1982 . shortly after my baptism I went to the elders to explain that something weird happened to me , that while I was praying to Jehovah, I felt his Holy Spirit come upon me and it was if it was examining me , searching me thru. I asked if this was normal and or if I had been chosen by Jehovah as an anointed one. Their reply was , that they had not had anyone say this to them but also as I was just baptized and really a very new christian , and that the anointed where chosen and number fulfilled back in 1935 , and it was unlikely that an anointed one fell away, needing to be replaced it was not likely I was anointed. They also confirmed to me that if Jehovah needed to replace one , that of all the ones that have served him faithfully for so many years , surely Jehovah would choose one of those , not a newly converted man. I also said that when I read the bible it is as if Jehovah was speaking directly to me, and they told me that it was just that I was new in the truth and was very zealous . Having never liked or been very interested in religion , I felt that they must be right , that this feeling inside me was just a example or evidence of my zeal and love for God . I readily admit this was very difficult for me to adhere to , every memorial I fought against this inward desire to partake of the emblems, never mentioning this to anyone...I fought against this for many years , even telling in prayer to Jehovah , I will be very happy wherever I serve him , and if I am wrong , please forgive me for not partaking ....through out the many years of my dedication I have really experienced some rather incredible moments of Jehovah's spirit over me, I hesitate to even share it with anyone for fear of being mocked. For instance , back in the early nineties I experienced what can only be described as a nudge , or a feeling that something went wrong in the Organization and that Jehovah withdrew his spirit...then as if again Jehovah spirit was warning me, as the GB was being more and more glorified as the Faithful and discreet slave and that Jehovah and Jesus were being relegated to a lower position or no position ...I took note of it, probably like many of you. As time continued, the desire to partake became more and more evident and forceful....but the lingering remarks and my own self worth or lack of , plagued me. After my kids were born and I thought the end was eminent, I again prayed to Jehovah and told him , I DID NOT WANT to go to heaven...that I wanted to live forever here on the earth with my family. The years have passed , I have served as and Elder , pioneer , had talks on the Circuit Assemblies and interview in the District Convention ...but I am not bragging , just saying...these where privileges but not indications of anything else , I have only wanted ever to serve the interests of our God and his Son Christ Jesus and my brothers and sisters. Two years ago , the memorial time was coming again and I felt very very strongly the desire and need to partake , once again I prayed to Jehovah , that I did not want to go to heaven and be with Christ and his anointed ones, that the paradise earth was the place for me, that I would be happy here, though in fact , while my wife could always imagine our life here and our home and garden and draw a picture of so many details of life in paradise , all I could do was use the pictures of it for me to imagine it. Not that I couldn't understand or appreciate what Jehovah has in store for man...but it is somehow not in me....so back to my point ...sorry.... while in prayer the scripture of potter and the clay came to my mind, is it the clay that tells the potter what to make , what the use of the vessel is going to be?...and that just as it is as the apostle Paul said , it is not a case of the one choosing to be , but the one who does the calling and choosing of you. This is when I realized I cannot escape my hope, my calling, it is not and was not my to be decided. It was at this time that I realized how long Jehovah has indeed known me , he has known me all my life , it is as if he was just waiting for me to get here...it was the paradise hope , the realization that one day our inclination will not to do wrong but to do what is right that will rule in our mortal bodies , not sin ...not the inclination to do wrong...it was this that drew me and the realization as no doubt it was for you , that , while we were yet sinners Christ died for us...this is the love of God....that was what brought me to tears and the realization of our Creator , our loving God, Jehovah. I have always believed, yes I remember at 5 years old , without religion of any kind , I was looking up to heaven or the sky.,lol and talking to God. He has always known me, he has always seen me, even in times of lack of faith, feelings of worthiness , at least in respect to my hope...even now , I always tell Jehovah that I must be the least of these , Christs brothers.
Please do not think I am saying this in arrogance or anything like this , but in humility before my God , I have never , ever revealed this to anyone except my wife , who basically told me the same thing as the elders so many years ago...so I have kept silent. But no more...I have been told by my father and God and I am not ashamed of it ...it is not a time of cowardice , it is a time to stand up for Christ and Jehovah. My hope and your hope is never something to be ashamed of , nor does it make us less or more lovers of Jehovah, it just makes our hope different , or reward is slightly different it is true , but serving our God and his Son and proving the devil a liar with the hope of Everlasting life is all that important , whatever our hope , we are united with Jehovah's heavenly organization of Angelic spirit creatures in honouring our father. For my part , I just had to come forward and finally admit it. I am not crazy ....I am not mentally deranged , I am not weird...I am just chosen ...no better no worse than any other worshipper of Jehovah.
As time has passed I have seen things , as Robert and others have shown over time , all the evidence of apostasy of the organization, so much so that I actually questioned that Jehovah even used the organization...I stumbled at all of this at first, and it took a lot of soul searching to understand what I should do, how to do it ...I believe Jehovah used the Organization for the gathering of both the wheat and the weeds , and that soon the angels will begin the separating of and gathering of them..thereby getting the preaching and teaching work done and his Name to the nations so that when the time comes to magnify his name as he says in Ezekiel " that the nations will HAVE TO KNOW that I am Jehovah....it will be done...like the scripture in Zech. 4:6 says " not by a military force , nor by power, but by my spirit :, says Jehovah of armies...
All we can do at this critical juncture is share what we know to be true , and Jehovah will do the rest, as Jesus said " my sheep know my voice" ,
so share , share and share ....those righteously disposed to everlasting life will listen...soon Jehovah will give all of us and opportunity to listen and obey...LOL sorry for the song reference...
As I said , I was baptized on June 5, 1982 . shortly after my baptism I went to the elders to explain that something weird happened to me , that while I was praying to Jehovah, I felt his Holy Spirit come upon me and it was if it was examining me , searching me thru. I asked if this was normal and or if I had been chosen by Jehovah as an anointed one. Their reply was , that they had not had anyone say this to them but also as I was just baptized and really a very new christian , and that the anointed where chosen and number fulfilled back in 1935 , and it was unlikely that an anointed one fell away, needing to be replaced it was not likely I was anointed. They also confirmed to me that if Jehovah needed to replace one , that of all the ones that have served him faithfully for so many years , surely Jehovah would choose one of those , not a newly converted man. I also said that when I read the bible it is as if Jehovah was speaking directly to me, and they told me that it was just that I was new in the truth and was very zealous . Having never liked or been very interested in religion , I felt that they must be right , that this feeling inside me was just a example or evidence of my zeal and love for God . I readily admit this was very difficult for me to adhere to , every memorial I fought against this inward desire to partake of the emblems, never mentioning this to anyone...I fought against this for many years , even telling in prayer to Jehovah , I will be very happy wherever I serve him , and if I am wrong , please forgive me for not partaking ....through out the many years of my dedication I have really experienced some rather incredible moments of Jehovah's spirit over me, I hesitate to even share it with anyone for fear of being mocked. For instance , back in the early nineties I experienced what can only be described as a nudge , or a feeling that something went wrong in the Organization and that Jehovah withdrew his spirit...then as if again Jehovah spirit was warning me, as the GB was being more and more glorified as the Faithful and discreet slave and that Jehovah and Jesus were being relegated to a lower position or no position ...I took note of it, probably like many of you. As time continued, the desire to partake became more and more evident and forceful....but the lingering remarks and my own self worth or lack of , plagued me. After my kids were born and I thought the end was eminent, I again prayed to Jehovah and told him , I DID NOT WANT to go to heaven...that I wanted to live forever here on the earth with my family. The years have passed , I have served as and Elder , pioneer , had talks on the Circuit Assemblies and interview in the District Convention ...but I am not bragging , just saying...these where privileges but not indications of anything else , I have only wanted ever to serve the interests of our God and his Son Christ Jesus and my brothers and sisters. Two years ago , the memorial time was coming again and I felt very very strongly the desire and need to partake , once again I prayed to Jehovah , that I did not want to go to heaven and be with Christ and his anointed ones, that the paradise earth was the place for me, that I would be happy here, though in fact , while my wife could always imagine our life here and our home and garden and draw a picture of so many details of life in paradise , all I could do was use the pictures of it for me to imagine it. Not that I couldn't understand or appreciate what Jehovah has in store for man...but it is somehow not in me....so back to my point ...sorry.... while in prayer the scripture of potter and the clay came to my mind, is it the clay that tells the potter what to make , what the use of the vessel is going to be?...and that just as it is as the apostle Paul said , it is not a case of the one choosing to be , but the one who does the calling and choosing of you. This is when I realized I cannot escape my hope, my calling, it is not and was not my to be decided. It was at this time that I realized how long Jehovah has indeed known me , he has known me all my life , it is as if he was just waiting for me to get here...it was the paradise hope , the realization that one day our inclination will not to do wrong but to do what is right that will rule in our mortal bodies , not sin ...not the inclination to do wrong...it was this that drew me and the realization as no doubt it was for you , that , while we were yet sinners Christ died for us...this is the love of God....that was what brought me to tears and the realization of our Creator , our loving God, Jehovah. I have always believed, yes I remember at 5 years old , without religion of any kind , I was looking up to heaven or the sky.,lol and talking to God. He has always known me, he has always seen me, even in times of lack of faith, feelings of worthiness , at least in respect to my hope...even now , I always tell Jehovah that I must be the least of these , Christs brothers.
Please do not think I am saying this in arrogance or anything like this , but in humility before my God , I have never , ever revealed this to anyone except my wife , who basically told me the same thing as the elders so many years ago...so I have kept silent. But no more...I have been told by my father and God and I am not ashamed of it ...it is not a time of cowardice , it is a time to stand up for Christ and Jehovah. My hope and your hope is never something to be ashamed of , nor does it make us less or more lovers of Jehovah, it just makes our hope different , or reward is slightly different it is true , but serving our God and his Son and proving the devil a liar with the hope of Everlasting life is all that important , whatever our hope , we are united with Jehovah's heavenly organization of Angelic spirit creatures in honouring our father. For my part , I just had to come forward and finally admit it. I am not crazy ....I am not mentally deranged , I am not weird...I am just chosen ...no better no worse than any other worshipper of Jehovah.
As time has passed I have seen things , as Robert and others have shown over time , all the evidence of apostasy of the organization, so much so that I actually questioned that Jehovah even used the organization...I stumbled at all of this at first, and it took a lot of soul searching to understand what I should do, how to do it ...I believe Jehovah used the Organization for the gathering of both the wheat and the weeds , and that soon the angels will begin the separating of and gathering of them..thereby getting the preaching and teaching work done and his Name to the nations so that when the time comes to magnify his name as he says in Ezekiel " that the nations will HAVE TO KNOW that I am Jehovah....it will be done...like the scripture in Zech. 4:6 says " not by a military force , nor by power, but by my spirit :, says Jehovah of armies...
All we can do at this critical juncture is share what we know to be true , and Jehovah will do the rest, as Jesus said " my sheep know my voice" ,
so share , share and share ....those righteously disposed to everlasting life will listen...soon Jehovah will give all of us and opportunity to listen and obey...LOL sorry for the song reference...
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The only reason for this is that when I was doing study of this scripture in Daniel , I thought , when, then I went to the JW.org and in the broadcast they named the date as March 20, 2020....as a historical date. I believe this is when it was made known and enacted worldwide.
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jay
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Did you say they are going to have music on there cart? That would be fun. Cart sitting off by itself jamming away. People dancing around the cart.
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no I am not saying that , it was a song that was played on JW.org when they started to use the cart a few years ago....thought they might re introduce it
Sundial
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I know, just teasing!
jay
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Yes, just joking.I know, just teasing!
Sunshower
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@Back to True Worship Thank you for your story. It's unfathomable for me as someone with an earthly hope to know what it means to be anointed. I believe you are sincere and it's no one's place to judge you, cause no mortal man can.
I read one of Robert's articles a few weeks ago which I think you will find very informative: https://e-watchman.com/many-first-will-last-last-first/
One little thing, since the 1975 thing didn't really work out well, I'm not into picking dates for things that are not for us to know. You may be right, but just be careful
I read one of Robert's articles a few weeks ago which I think you will find very informative: https://e-watchman.com/many-first-will-last-last-first/
One little thing, since the 1975 thing didn't really work out well, I'm not into picking dates for things that are not for us to know. You may be right, but just be careful