A New video - Blood - Shunning - Christs Inspection

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Paz

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Hi All,
just noticed this new video realised in U.K. by obviously a JW trying to defend the Organisation . I want to ask him a question but am hoping for a few comments first. He mentions shunning policy change is this correct? On another video he seems to be annoying lots of ex witnesses who he claims make hate videos against the org. Any views?
 
LifeLearning

LifeLearning

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Watchman said:
The sound quality is so poor it is a garble
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His tie is not very straight. o_O

The video guy was not talking about shunning, it was an 'aside' comment I think, but one that stands out... he said (at 0:56) about shunning:

"... they can talk to you now, restrictions have been withdrawn, in 2019 an instruction was made, put in the elder's secret book, telling elders not to put someone before judicial committee... ... ...it's a very big step in reducing the torcher caused by shunning that's been mentioned in (UN) Article 9 law."

If instruction was made to the elders, with a basis due to something in a UN Article, that certainly rings of apostasy.

Great question @Paz ... I would like to know what that instruction was, and why instructions have anything to do with what the UN says or does not say.
 
kirmmy

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LifeLearning said:
His tie is not very straight. o_O

The video guy was not talking about shunning, it was an 'aside' comment I think, but one that stands out... he said (at 0:56) about shunning:

"... they can talk to you now, restrictions have been withdrawn, in 2019 an instruction was made, put in the elder's secret book, telling elders not to put someone before judicial committee... ... ...it's a very big step in reducing the torcher caused by shunning that's been mentioned in (UN) Article 9 law."

If instruction was made to the elders, with a basis due to something in a UN Article, that certainly rings of apostasy.

Great question @Paz ... I would like to know what that instruction was, and why instructions have anything to do with what the UN says or does not say.
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Wow! So they have compromised their "principles"...once again...for the UN. They really are compromised beyond belief.

Not to say I've ever agreed with their messed up version of disfellowshiping but the UN cracks the whip and they do the trip.

ETA: Yes audio is fine you just have to turn it up.

BTW, this Bro makes a great argument for the blood question...too bad he can't apply it to the vaccine. Because it is eminently applicable.
 
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Paz

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LifeLearning said:
His tie is not very straight. o_O

The video guy was not talking about shunning, it was an 'aside' comment I think, but one that stands out... he said (at 0:56) about shunning:

"... they can talk to you now, restrictions have been withdrawn, in 2019 an instruction was made, put in the elder's secret book, telling elders not to put someone before judicial committee... ... ...it's a very big step in reducing the torcher caused by shunning that's been mentioned in (UN) Article 9 law."

If instruction was made to the elders, with a basis due to something in a UN Article, that certainly rings of apostasy.

Great question @Paz ... I would like to know what that instruction was, and why instructions have anything to do with what the UN says or does not say.
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Paz

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Hi I think the comment about UN article on human rights is because this was mentioned in the Russian court case that claimed Jehovah witnesses breached due to the shunning of close family members and classified it as ‘emotional torture’ . The court found in favor of banning the organisation in Russia mainly on this point. The GB member questioned was given opportunity to propose a change in policy but failed to do so. I am deducing that they the GB may have made a change due to this but don’t know. Just Guessing
 
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Paz said:
Hi All,
just noticed this new video realised in U.K. by obviously a JW trying to defend the Organisation . I want to ask him a question but am hoping for a few comments first. He mentions shunning policy change is this correct? On another video he seems to be annoying lots of ex witnesses who he claims make hate videos against the org. Any views?
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Watching this video I heard something that I never knew or thought about...He is saying that the wicked angels that put on "bone & flesh" to have intercourse with the beautiful women, did not have blood in their bodies. (At 4:09 in video). This makes sense. Does anyone know where the scripture is that he is referring to that speaks of them taking on "bone & flesh"? I have been searching for it all morning with no success yet.

I was thinking this might be the reason the demons & their evil minions are so intent on blood sacrifices and the obsession with the drinking of blood in their satanic rituals...could it be because they never had any blood and never will have any? In effect they hate it and desire it at the same time.
 
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Truthseeker said:
Watching this video I heard something that I never knew or thought about...He is saying that the wicked angels that put on "bone & flesh" to have intercourse with the beautiful woman, did not have blood in their bodies. (At 4:09 in video). This makes sense. Does anyone know where the scripture is that he is referring to that speaks of them taking on "bone & flesh"? I have been searching for it all morning with no success yet.

I was thinking this might be the reason the demons & their evil minions are so intent on blood sacrifices and the drinking of blood in their satanic rituals...could it be because they never had any blood and never will have any? In effect they hate it and desire it at the same time.
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Has some crediblilty to it; Jehovah's blood, He asks it back, hardly likely that he gave that precious gift to His wayward sons?
 
Ms_ladyblue

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MickHewitt said:
Has some crediblilty to it; Jehovah's blood, He asks it back, hardly likely that he gave that precious gift to His wayward sons?
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….and since that “precious gift” of Jesus’ perfect blood sacrifice was only held out to benefit human mankind…
How could Satan somehow manage to delude himself and others to believing this blood belongs to him?
Does this make sense? 🤷‍♀️
 
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xrt469 said:
I don't think this idea is either from the scriptures nor from Watchtower.

This reference would seem to contradict his statement as it implies materialized angels may have had blood: https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1958280

A quote from paragraph 22: "Those materialized cherubs did not get their flesh and blood from Adam and Eve."
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Thank you xrt469 for your reply.....Yes, this quote from Paragraph 22 is from whom? The WT? (Sorry, I have been lied to about too many things by them) Not from the bible right? I was searching for a mention of it in the bible. It seems I have read the scripture the man in the video is referring to where he mentions "bone & flesh"....but now I cannot find it. If anyone knows of the scripture...I am just more curious than ever now.
 
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Paz

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Hi I got a reply on this ‘flesh and bones’ Insight Vol1 pg 352 scripture Luke 24:39 Jesus words confirm no blood since he had sacrificed it once for all time. His comments confirm materialised angels don‘t have blood. All blood belongs to Jehovah.
My thoughts is the angels that ‘ forsook their proper dwelling place’ mimicked human sperm but because they were genetically not from earth as were humans from the ‘dust of the earth’ this copy of sperm and no human soul (blood) meant it was faulty. Hence giants highbred children who were impotent. Creating extremely angry frustrated men. Not a nice combination. There may be others scriptures but not found them yet. I like his video 6 and 7 too.
 
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Ms_ladyblue

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Nomex said:
I was thinking the same thing, and what about their sons, did they have blood? :)
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Not sure, but perhaps since the world back in Noah’s day had gotten to be so wicked Jehovah had to bring an end to “all flesh,”
it could be that Jehovah saw, not only the widespread violence of that time but stop to consider how this would eventually interfere with the outworking of God’s purpose for the Messiah’s coming.

But not only that, but these Nephilim or hybrid race of people that came about as a result, wouldn’t be able to reproduce. You see, hybrids cannot reproduce. Meaning, that eventually the human race would have gradually died off with no women left to mate with, so all you would have left would be those wicked and violent offspring who no doubt were worshippers of Satan.

Science today has reached to that same level, to an extent. They want to depopulate the world through their deadly injections, particularly this covid injection. It‘s not really a vaccine anyway. And they’ve been gradually depopulating the earth in other ways, especially throughout the last over a hundred years. Keep in mind that Satan is behind all of this diabolical scheme because he hates, not only Jehovah’s people but all the world of mankind.

Remember, Jehovah had all of Satan’s children killed in the flood so now it’s payback time!
So now we learn these vaccines are causing women to become infertile and men to become sterile.
Just as offspring would no longer could’ve produced on the earth back then, Satan inspired men to bring about this same calamity.

Now, this is not something I have set in stone but I do a lot of thinking and draw conclusions based on the research I’ve done…but I know it’s not settled. Didn‘t mean to get so wordy responding to your question.
 
Sundial

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And then this can of worms:

"Can a hybrid be fertile?

Can Hybrids Have Babies? Mules and bananas are examples of hybrids that are infertile, so they cannot have their own babies. But surprisingly, there are many examples of hybrids that actually can have babies. This happens when the hybrid mates with another hybrid, or with the same species as one of its parents.Sep 12, 2019."

Also, there were enemies of God that required complete extermination, so it kinda makes you wonder 🤔
 
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Ms_ladyblue said:
Now, this is not something I have set in stone but I do a lot of thinking and draw conclusions based on the research I’ve done…but I know it’s not settled. Didn‘t mean to get so wordy responding to your question.
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That was a rhetorical question, the answer is obvious, yes they had blood. As far as "hybrids" go. Hybrids normally refer to two created races that are similar enough to reproduce but the offspring cannot. In Greek mythology that was not true of the stories that were clearly inspired by those demons living on the earth before the flood. I think the truth is we just don't know whether their offspring could reproduce, since they would not have been hybrids in the sense that that would normally apply. I think it was much worse than anything we can imagine. Adam's offspring were living nearly 1000 years, so how long would the Nephilim live? Their fathers will not die until Jehovah executes them? So again the answer is we just don't know.

The rest of your comment though I think is spot on, not that I disagree, but I think their is just an element of unknown we just don't have definitive answers to. The Org acts like they know what Tartarus means, but if you use the Bible to interpret the Bible, there simply is no other passages in the Bible that use that term other than in 2 Peter. To me that verse simply describes the eventual outcome of their rebellion and current state of being removed from God's favor with no hope of redemption. Any other interpretation is simply speculation IMO!
 
Nomex

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Sundial said:
And then this can of worms:

"Can a hybrid be fertile?

Can Hybrids Have Babies? Mules and bananas are examples of hybrids that are infertile, so they cannot have their own babies. But surprisingly, there are many examples of hybrids that actually can have babies. This happens when the hybrid mates with another hybrid, or with the same species as one of its parents.Sep 12, 2019."

Also, there were enemies of God that required complete extermination, so it kinda makes you wonder 🤔
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I was writing my comment above, and got distracted and didn't post it until just now...
 
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Paz said:
Hi I got a reply on this ‘flesh and bones’ Insight Vol1 pg 352 scripture Luke 24:39 Jesus words confirm no blood since he had sacrificed it once for all time. His comments confirm materialised angels don‘t have blood. All blood belongs to Jehovah.
My thoughts is the angels that ‘ forsook their proper dwelling place’ mimicked human sperm but because they were genetically not from earth as were humans from the ‘dust of the earth’ this copy of sperm and no human soul (blood) meant it was faulty. Hence giants highbred children who were impotent. Creating extremely angry frustrated men. Not a nice combination. There may be others scriptures but not found them yet. I like his video 6 and 7 too.
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Paz said:
Hi I got a reply on this ‘flesh and bones’ Insight Vol1 pg 352 scripture Luke 24:39 Jesus words confirm no blood since he had sacrificed it once for all time. His comments confirm materialised angels don‘t have blood. All blood belongs to Jehovah.
My thoughts is the angels that ‘ forsook their proper dwelling place’ mimicked human sperm but because they were genetically not from earth as were humans from the ‘dust of the earth’ this copy of sperm and no human soul (blood) meant it was faulty. Hence giants highbred children who were impotent. Creating extremely angry frustrated men. Not a nice combination. There may be others scriptures but not found them yet. I like his video 6 and 7 too.
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Thank you so much Paz! Much appreciation for the wonderfully researched answer you are providing! It makes total sense to me!
 
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