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Fallen

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I Attended the midweek meeting last night via Zoom. I knew by the title " Obeying Theocradic Arrangement", that I wasnt going to be encouraged. Well, they started off with the example of King David wanting to brink the Ark of the covenant into the temple because Saul had not taken good care of it. And that David wanted to change all of that. Well...anyway, because of his zeal, joy and excitement, him and his men had a big festaval and display dancing all the way to the temple with the ark in tow.

We all know the account. The ark was about to fall and one of Davids Men Uzzah (?) reached out his hand to prevent the ark from falling. Jehovah instantly dealt him a Death Smite. The reason for this is because David had not followed the arrangement and custom of inquiring of Jehovah to see how he felt about it.- Hard lesson learned for David.

The point that was made during the question answer session was, and I quote:

" The bible reading reminds us how its important to listen to the organization that Jehovah is using even if we dissagree or dont understand. Failure to heed the instructions from Jehovah's organization could possible cost us our life"

I damn near immediately disconnected from Zoom, I was so hot. But the next segment of the meeting was the importance of prayer and how Jehovah hears us, so that was a strong motivator in encouraging me suffer through the other nonsense. Its just all so funny. Even though we know whats going on and whats happeneing, Its still so very shocking to hear from the platform the advocation of idol worship.

As much as I understand whats taking place, It runs me hot every single time. The realization that this organization is really turning apostate is absolutely mind boggling. They've gone well beyond placing themselves in the seat of Moses...They've totally bypassed Jesus Christ and placed themseves at "The Right Hand of Jehovah."

The same Organization from which I learned the truth, is becoming Anti-Truth. That really hurts. But as it was written, so must it be done.
Come quickly, Lord Jesus.-Amen
 
Fallen said:
I Attended the midweek meeting last night via Zoom. I knew by the title " Obeying Theocradic Arrangement", that I wasnt going to be encouraged. Well, they started off with the example of King David wanting to brink the Ark of the covenant into the temple because Saul had not taken good care of it. And that David wanted to change all of that. Well...anyway, because of his zeal, joy and excitement, him and his men had a big festaval and display dancing all the way to the temple with the ark in tow.

We all know the account. The ark was about to fall and one of Davids Men Uzzah (?) reached out his hand to prevent the ark from falling. Jehovah instantly dealt him a Death Smite. The reason for this is because David had not followed the arrangement and custom of inquiring of Jehovah to see how he felt about it.- Hard lesson learned for David.

The point that was made during the question answer session was, and I quote:

" The bible reading reminds us how its important to listen to the organization that Jehovah is using even if we dissagree or dont understand. Failure to heed the instructions from Jehovah's organization could possible cost us our life"

I damn near immediately disconnected from Zoom, I was so hot. But the next segment of the meeting was the importance of prayer and how Jehovah hears us, so that was a strong motivator in encouraging me suffer through the other nonsense. Its just all so funny. Even though we know whats going on and whats happeneing, Its still so very shocking to hear from the platform the advocation of idol worship.

As much as I understand whats taking place, It runs me hot every single time. The realization that this organization is really turning apostate is absolutely mind boggling. They've gone well beyond placing themselves in the seat of Moses...They've totally bypassed Jesus Christ and placed themseves at "The Right Hand of Jehovah."

The same Organization from which I learned the truth, is becoming Anti-Truth. That really hurts. But as it was written, so must it be done.
Come quickly, Lord Jesus.-Amen
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my thoughts exactly! It's like the GB is turning into what we grew up learning to be weary of. It's very surreal. And disappointing so many are blindly following hook-line-and-sinker. My question is: Has the org always been this corrupt, or is this new?
 
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robins said:
my thoughts exactly! It's like the GB is turning into what we grew up learning to be weary of. It's very surreal. And disappointing so many are blindly following hook-line-and-sinker. My question is: Has the org always been this corrupt, or is this new?
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I cant say. I too was under the delusion at one point. But I would have to think however bad it was then, is probably nothing capared to what it is now. It was probably like a cancer that slowly spreads to the point to where its Metastasized. The only thing thats more shocking than the blatant worship of the GB is the fact that the rank and file dont even bat an eye. No one stops and say " Wait a Minute...Hol Up". Its like a hive mind. what one thinks...so do they all. Rational and independent thought is thrown out the window
 
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Fallen said:
I Attended the midweek meeting last night via Zoom. I knew by the title " Obeying Theocradic Arrangement", that I wasnt going to be encouraged. Well, they started off with the example of King David wanting to brink the Ark of the covenant into the temple because Saul had not taken good care of it. And that David wanted to change all of that. Well...anyway, because of his zeal, joy and excitement, him and his men had a big festaval and display dancing all the way to the temple with the ark in tow.

We all know the account. The ark was about to fall and one of Davids Men Uzzah (?) reached out his hand to prevent the ark from falling. Jehovah instantly dealt him a Death Smite. The reason for this is because David had not followed the arrangement and custom of inquiring of Jehovah to see how he felt about it.- Hard lesson learned for David.

The point that was made during the question answer session was, and I quote:

" The bible reading reminds us how its important to listen to the organization that Jehovah is using even if we dissagree or dont understand. Failure to heed the instructions from Jehovah's organization could possible cost us our life"

I damn near immediately disconnected from Zoom, I was so hot. But the next segment of the meeting was the importance of prayer and how Jehovah hears us, so that was a strong motivator in encouraging me suffer through the other nonsense. Its just all so funny. Even though we know whats going on and whats happeneing, Its still so very shocking to hear from the platform the advocation of idol worship.

As much as I understand whats taking place, It runs me hot every single time. The realization that this organization is really turning apostate is absolutely mind boggling. They've gone well beyond placing themselves in the seat of Moses...They've totally bypassed Jesus Christ and placed themseves at "The Right Hand of Jehovah."

The same Organization from which I learned the truth, is becoming Anti-Truth. That really hurts. But as it was written, so must it be done.
Come quickly, Lord Jesus.-Amen
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At our meeting they didn't get to that 'conclusion' (lucky me, since I was there in person).
They focused on the fact that David didn't inquire of God and didn't follow the proper guidelines to transport the ark.
I was kind of surprised that they kind of put the blame with David at that point while it was always mentioned before that Uzzah probably got the death penalty because of possible haughtiness in his heart.

That part about Uzzah haughtiness was mentioned in the next part by some particpants.
 
Fallen said:
I cant say. I too was under the delusion at one point. But I would have to think however bad it was then, is probably nothing capared to what it is now. It was probably like a cancer that slowly spreads to the point to where its Metastasized. The only thing thats more shocking than the blatant worship of the GB is the fact that the rank and file dont even bat an eye. No one stops and say " Wait a Minute...Hol Up". Its like a hive mind. what one thinks...so do they all. Rational and independent thought is thrown out the window
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Very true.
I regularly do carts on a weekday afternoon with my group overseer. I like to chat with him during that time about different topics. Whenever it's about something more controversial I'm often amazed on how he can respond in the way like he's being told.
He seems to be a person who is able to think for himself and knows a lot about several things, but when it gets to the GB and the organization all that seems to replace by the 'hive mind'.
 
barry said:
At our meeting they didn't get to that 'conclusion' (lucky me, since I was there in person).
They focused on the fact that David didn't inquire of God and didn't follow the proper guidelines to transport the ark.
I was kind of surprised that they kind of put the blame with David at that point while it was always mentioned before that Uzzah probably got the death penalty because of possible haughtiness in his heart.

That part about Uzzah haughtiness was mentioned in the next part by some particpants.
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Barry, give me your halls zoom info because mine is out of control, LOL!
 
Fallen said:
I cant say. I too was under the delusion at one point. But I would have to think however bad it was then, is probably nothing capared to what it is now. It was probably like a cancer that slowly spreads to the point to where its Metastasized. The only thing thats more shocking than the blatant worship of the GB is the fact that the rank and file dont even bat an eye. No one stops and say " Wait a Minute...Hol Up". Its like a hive mind. what one thinks...so do they all. Rational and independent thought is thrown out the window
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Yep...once you are awakened to it, its very obvious. Hivemind is exactly what it is. Or like a trance. Very eerie too.
 
barry said:
Very true.
I regularly do carts on a weekday afternoon with my group overseer. I like to chat with him during that time about different topics. Whenever it's about something more controversial I'm often amazed on how he can respond in the way like he's being told.
He seems to be a person who is able to think for himself and knows a lot about several things, but when it gets to the GB and the organization all that seems to replace by the 'hive mind'.
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Yep! Theres some sort of firewall thats very difficult to penitrate. Push too hard and youll be labled a threat to the truth and bad association. I kinda just throw a little something out there and see if I get a bite. I can usually tell when their firewall goes up. I just leave it alone and do the smile and grin. I usually end it with something like "How about them Cowboys?"
 
Isaiah 1:21: “How the faithful city has become a prostitute! She was full of justice; Righteousness used to lodge in her, But now murderers.”

Zechariah 11:4: “This is what Jehovah my God says, ‘Shepherd the flock meant for the slaughter, whose buyers slaughter them and are not held guilty. And those who sell them say, “May Jehovah be praised, for I will become rich.” And their shepherds have no compassion for them.’”

Amos 5:18: “ ‘Woe to those who yearn for the day of Jehovah! What, then, will the day of Jehovah mean for you? It will be darkness, and not light.”

I am guessing that the situation with the GB likely parallels the pattern of Judas. He was on a wrong course because he allowed his desire for material wealth to grow. The other apostles were unaware but he was stealing from the money box. Then as the bible says, his wicked desire developed into sin and Satan entered into him. I am guessing that at the point that he decided to betray Jesus he was probably so envious and he really didn’t want to see Jesus and the remaining apostles succeed. Isn’t that Satan’s disposition, to rule or ruin?

Is it possible that the GB is using all the perks of the organization to live a stress free, wealthy life while being adored by millions of people? Is it possible that they are thrilled to be sitting on a pile of cash from the sale of properties or is it possible they are thrilled with the opulent building of their studios and residences? All the building work is being done by willing volunteers. They brag a lot about how high tech and green their buildings are. One of their developments even has it own power source. Is it possible that since they have never accepted correction that now they are going for the brass ring and getting paid off by one or more governments to push the vaccine and consolidate their control over people? Is it possible that they still have an alliance with the UN? Look at how insulted they are that Norway is withholding their government payments. Some would say “its all about the money.” I think the above scriptures tell us what their motive is but I have no proof.

Luke 22:3: “Then Satan entered into Judas, the one called Is·carʹi·ot, who was numbered among the Twelve”
 
Driven said:
Isaiah 1:21: “How the faithful city has become a prostitute! She was full of justice; Righteousness used to lodge in her, But now murderers.”

Zechariah 11:4: “This is what Jehovah my God says, ‘Shepherd the flock meant for the slaughter, whose buyers slaughter them and are not held guilty. And those who sell them say, “May Jehovah be praised, for I will become rich.” And their shepherds have no compassion for them.’”

Amos 5:18: “ ‘Woe to those who yearn for the day of Jehovah! What, then, will the day of Jehovah mean for you? It will be darkness, and not light.”

I am guessing that the situation with the GB likely parallels the pattern of Judas. He was on a wrong course because he allowed his desire for material wealth to grow. The other apostles were unaware but he was stealing from the money box. Then as the bible says, his wicked desire developed into sin and Satan entered into him. I am guessing that at the point that he decided to betray Jesus he was probably so envious and he really didn’t want to see Jesus and the remaining apostles succeed. Isn’t that Satan’s disposition, to rule or ruin?

Is it possible that the GB is using all the perks of the organization to live a stress free, wealthy life while being adored by millions of people? Is it possible that they are thrilled to be sitting on a pile of cash from the sale of properties or is it possible they are thrilled with the opulent building of their studios and residences? All the building work is being done by willing volunteers. They brag a lot about how high tech and green their buildings are. One of their developments even has it own power source. Is it possible that since they have never accepted correction that now they are going for the brass ring and getting paid off by one or more governments to push the vaccine and consolidate their control over people? Is it possible that they still have an alliance with the UN? Look at how insulted they are that Norway is withholding their government payments. Some would say “its all about the money.” I think the above scriptures tell us what their motive is but I have no proof.

Luke 22:3: “Then Satan entered into Judas, the one called Is·carʹi·ot, who was numbered among the Twelve”
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They made their own paradise without Jehovah at Warwick .......Follow the money....It's always about the money.
 
The title of this thread ought to be "Listen to the Org and die."

As it stands no one knows how many JWs have died as a result of submitting to the "theocratic direction" mandating the injections. It is likely many, not a few. It is humanly impossible to know. But Jehovah knows the exact number.
 
I had the Treasures part last night; focused on David and Uzzah in the first part. That 10 min part always has a "what can we learn" section. Just focused on practical lessons we can learn from following Biblical direction was having to be cautious not to spit out terms like Borg, PIMO, and PIMI while on platform (although the hall I go to would probably not catch a word of it). There are about 30-40% still wearing masks:rolleyes:
 
robins said:
My question is: Has the org always been this corrupt, or is this new?
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Well this is the devils domain for now. Nothing here can truly be pure until the evil influence is removed. The recent article on the main site helped clarify some matters. Even the apostles in their time struggled against the evil influence & sadly it had succeeded with enough time after them. It sucks but you can only make the best of what you have.
 
goldie said:
"The Governing Body has decided" what is up with that?!
Driven, what am I missing what r u pointing out? All I'm seeing is a mag on mental health.
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They are only issuing ONE new issue of the Watchtower for the entire year of 2023 and ONE new issue of the Awake for the year. They are recycling old issues and doing a reprint but the Tweeter was pointing out that mental health is one of the topics because he thinks JWs are crazy but my point is that the magazines have been hugely important in the preaching work and now they will only produce one a year???
 
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