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Nomex said:
They left off the first two words, "New World". I do find it odd, maybe not as much as I once did, that the org has pretty much as far back as I can remember, 50+ years, they have always used those words somewhere but just not together. You have the "New World" Translation, and we always talked about the "new system" as the "New Order", still do as far as I remember, and now a "vow of obedience to the Order". Nothing weird creepy or Satanic about that at all! :rolleyes:
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I agree however it probably goes all the way back to the 1800's when Russel and Barbour were associates the latter released a book called three worlds
 
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Niobium said:
Its mostly regurgitated repetition of previous articles anyway.
I wonder what they do in the writing department these days.
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They are too lazy to write that much themselves and don't want any bethelites smart enough to as that might make them question, have the slightest bit of self confidence and wound the gb's egos if they are any brighter on anything. Also they dont want to invest a tenth of a percent as much in the writing department as they do in the video facilities and productions most writing these days is basically social engineers/marketers guided by the gb and lawyers if i were to guess. I don't know much about Rolf Furuli but he was a JW scholar that the society made use of they kicked him out when he complained about how far they had dumbed down the literature and the rank and file and told them he'd release a book after a while if they didn't course correct and provide the flock meat rather than ever diminishing quantities of sour milk.

People in my hall ask me why I'm working on my own Bible as the existence of such a project implies the NWT is less than perfect I tell them the resources are available to make the NWT even better than the 1984 edition but the society has been more interested in the 2013 route of making it simpler to read and easier to translate to other languages (didn't mention they mess around with a few passages and change some words to make the org more culty in the newer one) that while excellent refinement is possible and has not been their priority. Whenever I express any views different from the society that I'm willing to I answer any accusations of pride by saying the society has far more resources and staff than me if they prioritized the best approximation of truth at any given time over stability and trusted the bethelites enough to revitalize the writing department the org could exceed me in little time on any topic. (As it is most of their new light the past ten years is just copying Robert on little things that don't include Jehovah's judgements against them without giving him credit.) It's not about being anything just bothering to put in effort while the org and most in it are comfortable in an entropy spiral of infantilizing repetition like they're being spiritually sedated and euthanized
 
David Peter said:
Reading this attachment you put up - good grief , who would even want to live in the new world with these people in charge ? Paradise ? - I don't think so . Sounds more like North Korea . 🧐
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God forbid a construction worker wears jeans with ripped knees while Doing Construction ! You know who else was overly concerned with image - yes -the Pharisees!
 
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Driven said:
Robert King is just one guy (not a GB) and he puts out new articles all the time.
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I’m really amazed if that is the case. What are they going to use for the watchtower study then? Just talk between themselves. It really is quite amazing how far they have drifted from teaching the bible. Now they just teach what they think is the truth and reiterate that as ‘study’. It’s just as you said in your recent comment, on how they are the ones fulfilling the prophesy , rather than the clergy. It’s amazing how things are being drawn together these last few years.
 
BARNABY THE DOG. said:
I’m really amazed if that is the case. What are they going to use for the watchtower study then? Just talk between themselves. It really is quite amazing how far they have drifted from teaching the bible. Now they just teach what they think is the truth and reiterate that as ‘study’. It’s just as you said in your recent comment, on how they are the ones fulfilling the prophesy , rather than the clergy. It’s amazing how things are being drawn together these last few years.
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Give it enough time & we might see the Org do the "prosperity gospel". Perhaps the preachers on the Broadcast will do things like Kenneth Copeland & Joel Osteen.
 
BARNABY THE DOG. said:
I’m really amazed if that is the case. What are they going to use for the watchtower study then? Just talk between themselves. It really is quite amazing how far they have drifted from teaching the bible. Now they just teach what they think is the truth and reiterate that as ‘study’. It’s just as you said in your recent comment, on how they are the ones fulfilling the prophesy , rather than the clergy. It’s amazing how things are being drawn together these last few years.
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They'll still publish the internal watchtower study editions. It's apparently just the public issues that are getting reduced.
 
robins said:
my thoughts exactly! It's like the GB is turning into what we grew up learning to be weary of. It's very surreal. And disappointing so many are blindly following hook-line-and-sinker. My question is: Has the org always been this corrupt, or is this new?
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It is probably fair to say that the watchtower was created for a purpose and that purpose has run its course, and with it, the judgement for which it was due, has become clear to the average onlooker who was/is searching for faith and truth. I do not think that watchtower was anything other than that, and as with any religion run by men, it will eventually become corrupt from what was at one time well meant and honestly sought after. It is, or that is, the course for men is it not? It took less than a hundred years for corruption to complete its course after the death of Jesus even. Breathtaking illustration of the greed of men. Shameful.

The social process is well documented throughout the scriptures and so it should not really come as a surprise. The same reason as to why war always is a constant feature where at the end of each session of bloodshed, they say never again and put up their memorials - and then start the process over and again. In watchtower, though they follow the same way, this time the failure has a purpose. I presume that this is why Jehovah has allowed the lie to come to its fruition and has contained watchtower within the limits of His denunciation for all to see in due course. He is bringing them to that point now. What has been kept secret for so long is now ripe for exposure in tandem with the coming conflict we can see. All roads lead to Rome, and wow! Are they about to unite at their apex at the colosseum!

So no. They have not always been corrupt. Even in my day there was honour and care attached with the ethos of truth. But as is always the way, greed and self adulation was not challenged but instead reached out for by playing up to the praise that was offered in exchange. And so each rise to power nursed those that follow blindly onto the same road to destruction. Well, that’s finished now and if half of what has been said here of the coming conflagration is accurate, the door of escape is almost shut. It’s a pity that a hundred and twenty years of hard work has been sold so cheaply to avarice and greed, money and adulation. What was purely intended has become a “stench in the nostrils“ just as the bible says - though for the life of me I cannot recall where.

As a side note, one of the best outcomes from this site is its ability to remain at grass roots. Appreciation of truth, appreciation of (Christian) diversity in thinking, tolerance, humour, mental cognitive interest and human interest and the shared social interchange in honesty are all contained and developed and enjoyed because it is confined by its common denominators in the pursuit of truth. It was probably like this back in the early days of watchtower. The good thing is that it won’t end the same way, so long as no one buys a hall and creates an elder!
 
Citrine said:
Not sure if this has already been posted on here but things are moving along swiftly. We now have a “vow of obedience” and who exactly is “the order”?
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In the past, I had seen information where the use of the term "the order" was used [update: just confirmed this is still used]. 1676829745384.pngWondering what is the date on this letter or invite? Is it recent? The use of the phrase "the order" brings to mind freemasonry terms or other cult terminology, but I am merely going on memory and opinion. I don't see the logic & reason to explicitly require a vow of obedience for volunteer work; how is this a binding contract? In the past, the ministerial training school had a vow of celibacy, which made sense a the time, but still did not ensure any guarantees. In either case, what are the consequences of breaking the vow? It's not a vow to Jehovah, so, what life-changing consequence would not fulfilling the vow have? :unsure: Worst-case, you get kicked out from a project or privilege? 🤷‍♂️

In comparison, what is worse, losing part in a volunteer project, etc. or losing your life to taking the jabs (a reqt for these volunteer opportunities)?
 
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mts said:
In the past, I had seen information where the use of the term "the order" was used [update: just confirmed this is still used]. Wondering what is the date on this letter or invite? Is it recent? The use of the phrase "the order" brings to mind freemasonry terms or other cult terminology, but I am merely going on memory and opinion. I don't see the logic & reason to explicitly require a vow of obedience for volunteer work; how is this a binding contract? In the past, the ministerial training school had a vow of celibacy, which made sense a the time, but still did not ensure any guarantees. In either case, what are the consequences of breaking the vow? It's not a vow to Jehovah, so, what life-changing consequence would not fulfilling the vow have? :unsure: Worst-case, you get kicked out from a project or privilege? 🤷‍♂️

In comparison, what is worse, losing part in a volunteer project, etc. or losing your life to taking the jabs (a reqt for these volunteer opportunities)?
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Glad to see you back and commenting . 🙂
 
mts said:
In the past, I had seen information where the use of the term "the order" was used [update: just confirmed this is still used]. View attachment 3207Wondering what is the date on this letter or invite? Is it recent? The use of the phrase "the order" brings to mind freemasonry terms or other cult terminology, but I am merely going on memory and opinion. I don't see the logic & reason to explicitly require a vow of obedience for volunteer work; how is this a binding contract? In the past, the ministerial training school had a vow of celibacy, which made sense a the time, but still did not ensure any guarantees. In either case, what are the consequences of breaking the vow? It's not a vow to Jehovah, so, what life-changing consequence would not fulfilling the vow have? :unsure: Worst-case, you get kicked out from a project or privilege? 🤷‍♂️

In comparison, what is worse, losing part in a volunteer project, etc. or losing your life to taking the jabs (a reqt for these volunteer opportunities)?
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Good points. Thank you for clarifying. I thought they were required to vow to Jehovah that they would obey the “Order”.
 
If I had to guess since it has to do with construction, that you vow to follow rules / directions concerning safety. Since the Borg have no Workmen's Compensation (that is another angle to everyone being "volunteers", if you are hurt on the WT job, you must rely on your own personall health insurance policy, which of course likely has a deductible also, unlike WC which has no deductible and provisions for short term/long term disability.

Guessing that this vow is legalese to indemnify and hold harmless the Borg if your brother drops a hammer on your from 40' in the air and cracks your skull. Now, I suppose you would have to pursue a claim against your brother, who if is a good PIMI, probably has limited assets.

Just another instance of the Borg getting you to play Russian Roulette with them, like with the jab.
 
Eventhorizon said:
If I had to guess since it has to do with construction, that you vow to follow rules / directions concerning safety. Since the Borg have no Workmen's Compensation (that is another angle to everyone being "volunteers", if you are hurt on the WT job, you must rely on your own personall health insurance policy, which of course likely has a deductible also, unlike WC which has no deductible and provisions for short term/long term disability.

Guessing that this vow is legalese to indemnify and hold harmless the Borg if your brother drops a hammer on your from 40' in the air and cracks your skull. Now, I suppose you would have to pursue a claim against your brother, who if is a good PIMI, probably has limited assets.

Just another instance of the Borg getting you to play Russian Roulette with them, like with the jab.
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But, if I remember correctly, the vow of poverty document for Bethelites (put on the site a few months back) contains that exact wording "order" as well and was not related to construction. It reminded me of the Jesuits... It would be interesting to see just how far back that arcaic language goes.
 
Sundial said:
But, if I remember correctly, the vow of poverty document for Bethelites (put on the site a few months back) contains that exact wording "order" as well and was not related to construction. It reminded me of the Jesuits... It would be interesting to see just how far back that arcaic language goes.
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Going by the testimony of Rivera the Jesuits were training operatives to infiltrate us at least as early as the mid 20th century. Makes total sense they'd want intel and influence given 75% of our converts were catholic before JW
 
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