Advice from successful Faders please

יהוה_saves

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I'm not sure what you mean? ??

I feel bad for shunning ones in the past when I still believed in the extreme WT view of shunning, if that's what you mean?
But, I hope I have learned and grown and know better now.

I appreciate you have been through an awful time too, and it's good to see you sticking to Jehovah despite it all.
well, usually folks want to fade or become PIMO because they don’t want to break from the org- this usually has the shunning policy at its core.

Even when considering gathering yourselves together, shunning is at the center of not wanting to break clean and free , as there are alternatives to that which are just as acceptable to Jehovah, but with a whole new set of people that worship him according to a correct understanding of the bible, not this 1914 junk interpretation.

what value is gathering together if the information you gather for to consider and learn isn’t true or if you have to be vaccinated, or worse, if you aren’t and everyone else is, and they’re shedding their toxic sub1-spike protein on to you.

There are many reasons folks fade, or are PIMO, but it comes down to the shunning policy. Nobody wants to be shunned, it’s only natural. Humans have a normal need to be part of a group, part of society, part of a tribe, and be accepted, This org wickedly take that innate need people uses it against them to punish them, and for what? Walking away?

Fading is not what it used to be- the elders are purist now, and there is much more monitoring of the congregation than there use to be. But i hope it can be done. You don’t deserve this.
 

StillA_WorshiperOfJah

Well-known member
well, usually folks want to fade or become PIMO because they don’t want to break from the org- this usually has the shunning policy at its core.

Even when considering gathering yourselves together, shunning is at the center of not wanting to break clean and free , as there are alternatives to that which are just as acceptable to Jehovah, but with a whole new set of people that worship him according to a correct understanding of the bible, not this 1914 junk interpretation.

what value is gathering together if the information you gather for to consider and learn isn’t true or if you have to be vaccinated, or worse, if you aren’t and everyone else is, and they’re shedding their toxic sub1-spike protein on to you.

There are many reasons folks fade, or are PIMO, but it comes down to the shunning policy. Nobody wants to be shunned, it’s only natural. Humans have a normal need to be part of a group, part of society, part of a tribe, and be accepted, This org wickedly take that innate need people uses it against them to punish them, and for what? Walking away?

Fading is not what it used to be- the elders are purist now, and there is much more monitoring of the congregation than there use to be. But i hope it can be done. You don’t deserve this.

I am hardly associating with the congregation. The last Zoom I attended was the Memorial. Those who I thought were my friends drifted away from me because I 'wasnt in their bubble.'
I suppose my main reason for not wanting to be disfellowshiped is because it will upset my PIMI mother who is not neurotypicaĺ, and whose mental cognitive facilities has deteriorated even more since she took those injections and had that mini stroke. So she really does not have the mental capacity to understand my stand point, (unless Jehovah chooses to open her eyes.)
All though we are not close, I will feel some guilt that she will assume I am now opposed to Jehovah, which will cause her anguish.
 
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PJ54

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I am hardly associating with the congregation. The last Zoom I attended was the Memorial. Those who I thought were my friends drifted away from me because I 'wasnt in their bubble.'
I suppose my main reason for not wanting to be disfellowshiped is because it will upset my PIMI mother who is not neurotypicaĺ, and whose mental cognitive facilities has deteriorated even more since she took those injections and had that mini stroke. So she really does not have the mental capacity to understand my stand point, (unless Jehovah chooses to open her eyes.)
All though we are not close, I will feel some guilt that she will assume I am now opposed to Jehovah, which will cause her anguish.
I noticed the congregations have become more cliquish. I thought it might have been just a few, but the pandemic really altered the friends perception of reality. It doesn't help since we were encouraged to "widen out".
 

יהוה_saves

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I am hardly associating with the congregation. The last Zoom I attended was the Memorial. Those who I thought were my friends drifted away from me because I 'wasnt in their bubble.'
I suppose my main reason for not wanting to be disfellowshiped is because it will upset my PIMI mother who is not neurotypicaĺ, and whose mental cognitive facilities has deteriorated even more since she took those injections and had that mini stroke. So she really does not have the mental capacity to understand my stand point, (unless Jehovah chooses to open her eyes.)
All though we are not close, I will feel some guilt that she will assume I am now opposed to Jehovah, which will cause her anguish.
that is a REAL and ongoing concern for you-

Again, at the risk of repeating myself- this is what this org does- it separates families, no family however large or small, is untouched by this unChrisitan policy of shunning. But you don’t have to let that happen.

There is no WRONG answer for you, @StillA_WorshiperOfJah, you are NOT under the authority of Watchtower or the Gov Body, keep reminding yourself that your obligation is to Jehovah alone and his commands are not burdensome. WT’s are, but God’s are not.

It sounds like your fading is going along well, you owe nobody any explanations for what you do, right now your focus is on your mom and Jah will open a way for you to be there for her, because this is his will. I have no doubt about it whatsoever.

And when you need support, we are here. 😙

❤️💕✔️🌺
 

StillA_WorshiperOfJah

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that is a REAL and ongoing concern for you-

Again, at the risk of repeating myself- this is what this org does- it separates families, no family however large or small, is untouched by this unChrisitan policy of shunning. But you don’t have to let that happen.

There is no WRONG answer for you, @StillA_WorshiperOfJah, you are NOT under the authority of Watchtower or the Gov Body, keep reminding yourself that your obligation is to Jehovah alone and his commands are not burdensome. WT’s are, but God’s are not.

It sounds like your fading is going along well, you owe nobody any explanations for what you do, right now your focus is on your mom and Jah will open a way for you to be there for her, because this is his will. I have no doubt about it whatsoever.

And when you need support, we are here. 😙

❤️💕✔️🌺
Thank you 🥰💞💐
 

A B

Active member
Hi.
So I am nearly a year into my fade, and I still have a nagging sense of guilt that I am forsaking the command to gather together.
I used my 'discernment' 'to flee' after the disturbing #Updates and the letter to full time workers to get vaxxed was leaked.

I still get messages from certain ones in the congregation asking how i am, which congregation i am attending etc, and i feel bad for not responding. I dont know if their interest is sincere or if they are stooges acting on direction from the elders.

I tried making friends with non witnesses who seemed to be awake but had to curtail that when I realised how deep into the new age fraud they were.

I am doing the 'fading' route as I still have relatives in the truth. I know if I am honest and tell them I no longer have any faith in the GB, and that I think they are the Man of Lawlessness, and that judgement is imminent, I will be disfellowshiped or forcibly disassociated and will be in no position to help my JWs friends when the judgement comes.
How do I deal with this honorably?

I feel so alone. The only person I see face to face to converse with is my team leader at work.
I am also being persecuted by my next door neighbour. I do not have the means to move, and am often sleep deprived because of the antisocial behaviour and noise pollution.

Also my father has now been so stumbled that he has written a letter of dissociation, and is associating with a Baptist church, taking communion and is some sort of Zionist and believes in 2 raptures. He admits he hasnt felt a heavenly calling.
Think James Penton/Ray Franz/Eric wilson.
I no longer believe in shunning, but is it appropriate to keep talking about spiritual things with him?

I cant wait for the revealing of Christs true brothers.
Sorry for the long post. Please keep praying for each other.
I am sorry you are going through all this.

There is more truth than not at the meetings and the congregation is suppose to be a pillar in support of the truth, so to me it still qualifies. Also, people really need to know about Jehovah and Jesus if they are to have a chance and there is a very organized ministry in place that can and does help people with that information.

I am sympathetic to how the vaccine/full time servant issue played out to people and I am just sharing my experience in dealing with it so please everyone I am not interested in igniting a firestorm, but for my own self I considered it with Prov 26:17 in mind. That was just my personal experience with that issue.
 

Ms_ladyblue

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Hi.
So I am nearly a year into my fade, and I still have a nagging sense of guilt that I am forsaking the command to gather together.
I used my 'discernment' 'to flee' after the disturbing #Updates and the letter to full time workers to get vaxxed was leaked.

I still get messages from certain ones in the congregation asking how i am, which congregation i am attending etc, and i feel bad for not responding. I dont know if their interest is sincere or if they are stooges acting on direction from the elders.

I tried making friends with non witnesses who seemed to be awake but had to curtail that when I realised how deep into the new age fraud they were.

I am doing the 'fading' route as I still have relatives in the truth. I know if I am honest and tell them I no longer have any faith in the GB, and that I think they are the Man of Lawlessness, and that judgement is imminent, I will be disfellowshiped or forcibly disassociated and will be in no position to help my JWs friends when the judgement comes.
How do I deal with this honorably?

I feel so alone. The only person I see face to face to converse with is my team leader at work.
I am also being persecuted by my next door neighbour. I do not have the means to move, and am often sleep deprived because of the antisocial behaviour and noise pollution.

Also my father has now been so stumbled that he has written a letter of dissociation, and is associating with a Baptist church, taking communion and is some sort of Zionist and believes in 2 raptures. He admits he hasnt felt a heavenly calling.
Think James Penton/Ray Franz/Eric wilson.
I no longer believe in shunning, but is it appropriate to keep talking about spiritual things with him?

I cant wait for the revealing of Christs true brothers.
Sorry for the long post. Please keep praying for each other.
Hi there sister,
I can certainly understand what you must be going through. Isn’t it something that all of us on this forum are going through our own unique circumstances for the same reasons but at a different point in time.

As many on this forum know, my husband passed away last year and now it’s been 9 months. About 2 months before he passed, after listening to update #6 it was pretty evident what was going on for sure. Zoom meetings by this time were starting to take their toll anyway. And I was also doing FS 3 or 4 times a week.

Then unexpectedly, October 31,2021, Sunday morning, he was gone. I lost my partner of 38 years whom I expected I would go through the GT with. But at this point, I know I’ll have to go it alone. And then I started to think how I was going to gradually disappear (I didn’t know about fading yet) As it was, we were all having to stay in our houses anyway…. so we didn’t encounter the dreaded virus. So the timing for those who decided to fade at this time was somewhat easier.

I came across ewatchman in September last year but was only reading his commentaries mostly but didn’t come across the talk forum until after and joined in December. I’m thankful to Jehovah for connecting me with friends that still love and worship Jehovah.

Not long after my husband passed I had questioned my elder son in law about the GB way of handling the vaccines. We went back and forth about this, I got nowhere. Of course, now I’m shunned by my daughter and him. There’s also my 8 year old grandson. They won’t be having anything to do with me until “my attitude changes toward Jehovah’s earthly representatives.” They don’t even call or text to check on me…at all.
My other jw relatives have started shunning me too. I know this because recently I saw wedding pictures of one their daughters who got married posted on social media. They have always invited me to family events in the past, so since I didn’t get an invite I imagine they got the memo about me. Oh well 🤷‍♀️

As of now, I haven’t been to the weekday meeting in a month and maybe twice a month on Sunday, sometimes with the video off.
I still get text messages and phone calls from the friends and a couple of the elders.
But you’re right, the zoom meetings have gotten so dull and over simplified…no meat!!

A few years back I was having those same feelings about the meetings. I was afraid my faith was becoming weak. It really worried me too. Our years in the organization were busy,busy,busy. We were involved in most of the activities. I pioneered for years and truly enjoyed those years! So, learning the truth about the truth meant our whole way of life would change as far as serving the WT. Now, it’s just me having to adjust my life without WT…and also life without my partner. This continues to be a big challenge for me to…I can only be thankful to you wonderful friends on this forum for helping me more than you know. But most of all I thank Jehovah because I do without a doubt know he’s been with me through all of this. It’s like I can feel his presence and I know that he hears my painful groaning and pleas as I pray to him with my whole heart.

@StillA_WorshiperOfJah I will keep you in my prayers. I know Jehovah will help you get through this. You know we’re all in this together and sometimes I can imagine our prayers going up to Jehovah and how he must be pleased because we’re making his heart rejoice. Proverbs 27:11
 
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jay

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I will pray for you as requested Sister StillA_WorshiperOfJah.

Your keen spiritual discernment is what got you to where you currently are so Jehovah and Jesus will see to it that you are able to endure albeit the ride is and will likely continue to be a rough one. You are doing awesome so please take heart and do not get uncomfortably discouraged if you can help it. I am not feeling "it" today so I apologize for my contribution here being weak and beggarly.

Your post requests advice from successful faders. I and Driven are faders to be certain but successful? Not too sure about that yet. As you stated here and in another post, we just need to keep praying for one another. That dear Sister is all I can really offer you today.

Take care,

Med
Fader for sure. Not afraid to be df. Feel like I am anyway.
 

jay

Well-known member
well, usually folks want to fade or become PIMO because they don’t want to break from the org- this usually has the shunning policy at its core.

Even when considering gathering yourselves together, shunning is at the center of not wanting to break clean and free , as there are alternatives to that which are just as acceptable to Jehovah, but with a whole new set of people that worship him according to a correct understanding of the bible, not this 1914 junk interpretation.

what value is gathering together if the information you gather for to consider and learn isn’t true or if you have to be vaccinated, or worse, if you aren’t and everyone else is, and they’re shedding their toxic sub1-spike protein on to you.

There are many reasons folks fade, or are PIMO, but it comes down to the shunning policy. Nobody wants to be shunned, it’s only natural. Humans have a normal need to be part of a group, part of society, part of a tribe, and be accepted, This org wickedly take that innate need people uses it against them to punish them, and for what? Walking away?

Fading is not what it used to be- the elders are purist now, and there is much more monitoring of the congregation than there use to be. But i hope it can be done. You don’t deserve this.
Well said, just what I was trying to say.
 

יהוה_saves

Well-known member
There is more truth than not at the meetings and the congregation is suppose to be a pillar in support of the truth, so to me it still qualifies.
nah. this org is walking dead- it awaits complete destruction. story after story after story on this forum and 100s of others about the unloving and cruel culture within congregations demonstrates they do not have Jehovah’s spirit- by their fruits you will know them. . .

find better ways to lead folks to Jah and his Christ. you’re one person, you can do more to help folks as one person out of the org, than working in an org that is actively teaching lies against God’s Kingdom. Don’t you know that? I’m not saying this to be insulting at all. Sometimes it direct communication to face reality, and reality bites.

Also, people really need to know about Jehovah and Jesus if they are to have a chance and there is a very organized ministry in place that can and does help people with that information.
Nomex already pointed out, as soon as a JW shows up to someone’s door in a mask and gloves, after the house holder gets over the initial shock, the JW is going to have to square the circle that they are no part of the world. Not to mention the very public and very massive, child molestation cover ups.

This org has no credibility.

lastly- do you really think the GB is going let you conduct an autonomous ministry- meaning a ministry your way? Not a chance. you’re nothing but a place holder for the GB. You have to know that. do you know that?
 
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יהוה_saves

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I listened to some of Robert’s vids and podcasts last night on how the apostles viewed Jerusalem and the temple as God’s center of true worship up until it was destroyed in 70CE- and true, some where getting circumcised to “fit in” shall we say-, to be all things to all people. That i agree with.

But, can you imagine the apostles teaching and preaching in the temple that the Messiah has not yet appeared, and that there are no chosen ones, and Jesus Christ was a common criminal, just to fit in until Jehovah destroyed the building?

And did not the early Christians break off from the temple even before 66CE, and start forming their own congregations in their own homes to organize, teach and preach important truths, truths that were in opposition to the conventional religionists, to others? and did not they have wide success in doing so because they had Jehovah’s blessing? They certainly didn’t organize their efforts from the temple.

When one re-engages in the Watchtower ministry, they’re going to be expected to say things, teach things, that are in direct opposition to Christ and his Kingdom- and even if they “COMPARTMENTALIZE”, they’re going to be supporting others that teach and preach lies, or incorrect biblical concepts- supporting them for example by driving them around- accompanying them. How do you get around your consciences?

I cannot and will not believe two opposing concepts at the same time. It’s illogical.
 
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Sundial

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I listened to some of Robert’s vids and podcasts last night on how the apostles viewed Jerusalem and the temple as God’s center of true worship up until it was destroyed in 70CE- and true, some where getting circumcised to “fit in” shall we say-, to be all things to all people. That i agree with.

But, can you imagine the apostles teaching and preaching in the temple that the Messiah has not yet appeared, and that there are no chosen ones, and Jesus Christ was a common criminal, just to fit in until Jehovah destroyed the building?

And did not the early Christians break off from the temple even before 66CE, and start forming their own congregations in their own homes to organize, teach and preach important truths, truths that were in opposition to the conventional religionists, to others? and did not they have wide success in doing so because they had Jehovah’s blessing? They certainly didn’t organize their efforts from the temple.

When one re-engages in the Watchtower ministry, they’re going to be expected to say things, teach things, that are in direct opposition to Christ and his Kingdom- and even if they “COMPARTMENTALIZE”, they’re going to be supporting others that teach and preach lies, or incorrect biblical concepts- supporting them for example by driving them around- accompanying them. How do you get around your consciences?

I cannot and will not believe two opposing concepts at the same time. It’s illogical.
It would be interesting if actually going back to the way things were in the Org before the pandemic was not blessed? Self organizing collectives like in 66CE would make sense. Then we could carry on until Jesus collected us together again under his rule.
 

Cristo

Well-known member
Hi.
So I am nearly a year into my fade, and I still have a nagging sense of guilt that I am forsaking the command to gather together.
I used my 'discernment' 'to flee' after the disturbing #Updates and the letter to full time workers to get vaxxed was leaked.

I still get messages from certain ones in the congregation asking how i am, which congregation i am attending etc, and i feel bad for not responding. I dont know if their interest is sincere or if they are stooges acting on direction from the elders.

I tried making friends with non witnesses who seemed to be awake but had to curtail that when I realised how deep into the new age fraud they were.

I am doing the 'fading' route as I still have relatives in the truth. I know if I am honest and tell them I no longer have any faith in the GB, and that I think they are the Man of Lawlessness, and that judgement is imminent, I will be disfellowshiped or forcibly disassociated and will be in no position to help my JWs friends when the judgement comes.
How do I deal with this honorably?

I feel so alone. The only person I see face to face to converse with is my team leader at work.
I am also being persecuted by my next door neighbour. I do not have the means to move, and am often sleep deprived because of the antisocial behaviour and noise pollution.

Also my father has now been so stumbled that he has written a letter of dissociation, and is associating with a Baptist church, taking communion and is some sort of Zionist and believes in 2 raptures. He admits he hasnt felt a heavenly calling.
Think James Penton/Ray Franz/Eric wilson.
I no longer believe in shunning, but is it appropriate to keep talking about spiritual things with him?

I cant wait for the revealing of Christs true brothers.
Sorry for the long post. Please keep praying for each other.
Hi…

Never heard leaving the WT society as a Fader lol…but the word does convey, I suppose, what it is to drift away from the teachings, and all that we know as witnesses ’fading’ away from ‘the truth’.

I’ve been disassociated for 10 years. Whether that makes me a successful ‘fader’ or not I’m not sure. I wanted to quit touching the unclean thing as it speaks of at 2 Cor 6:14-18.
(2Co 6:14-18) “. . .Do not become unevenly yoked with unbelievers. For what fellowship do righteousness and lawlessness have? Or what sharing does light have with darkness? 15 Further, what harmony is there between Christ and Be′li·al? Or what portion does a faithful person have with an unbeliever? 16 And what agreement does God’s temple have with idols? For we are a temple of a living God; just as God said: “I shall reside among them and walk among [them], and I shall be their God, and they will be my people.” 17 “‘Therefore get out from among them, and separate yourselves,’ says Jehovah, ‘and quit touching the unclean thing’”; “‘and I will take YOU in.’” 18 “‘And I shall be a father to YOU, and YOU will be sons and daughters to me,’ says Jehovah the Almighty.””

I understand what you are going through, as do many here to a certain extent, for everybody has unique circumstances. Jehovah knows how you feel, and what you are going through in your daily life. The thought of leaving the fold, or fading away, has many repercussions, some good, some bad. It’s all perspective, that how we perceive something defines our choices, is it not, and weighing the options can be exceedingly difficult when our perspective has been tailored to follow the WT, and all that it teaches.

We all carry our own load, so I can’t tell you what to do, except to be empathetic in your experience and feelings you are going through. What I can say from my own experience is that leaving the Org. puts a whole new meaning/perspective on what it is to put our entire faith in Jehovah our God, through our amazing King Jesus Christ. Their shoulders are much bigger to carry the loads we bare, give it to them, they are listening. Becoming a ‘successful fader’ will not only test the relationships you have with Jehovah and Jesus Christ, it will expose the weaknesses you have, and the strengths you carry within.

Again, this is a personal matter that can only be made by each and every one going through these trials. It is a conscience matter in every way.





 

StillA_WorshiperOfJah

Well-known member
Hi there sister,
I can certainly understand what you must be going through. Isn’t it something that all of us on this forum are going through our own unique circumstances for the same reasons but at a different point in time.

As many on this forum know, my husband passed away last year and now it’s been 9 months. About 2 months before he passed, after listening to update #6 it was pretty evident what was going on for sure. Zoom meetings by this time were starting to take their toll anyway. And I was also doing FS 3 or 4 times a week.

Then unexpectedly, October 31,2021, Sunday morning, he was gone. I lost my partner of 38 years whom I expected I would go through the GT with. But at this point, I know I’ll have to go it alone. And then I started to think how I was going to gradually disappear (I didn’t know about fading yet) As it was, we were all having to stay in our houses anyway…. so we didn’t encounter the dreaded virus. So the timing for those who decided to fade at this time was somewhat easier.

I came across ewatchman in September last year but was only reading his commentaries mostly but didn’t come across the talk forum until after and joined in December. I’m thankful to Jehovah for connecting me with friends that still love and worship Jehovah.

Not long after my husband passed I had questioned my elder son in law about the GB way of handling the vaccines. We went back and forth about this, I got nowhere. Of course, now I’m shunned by my daughter and him. There’s also my 8 year old grandson. They won’t be having anything to do with me until “my attitude changes toward Jehovah’s earthly representatives.” They don’t even call or text to check on me…at all.
My other jw relatives have started shunning me too. I know this because recently I saw wedding pictures of one their daughters who got married posted on social media. They have always invited me to family events in the past, so since I didn’t get an invite I imagine they got the memo about me. Oh well 🤷‍♀️

As of now, I haven’t been to the weekday meeting in a month and maybe twice a month on Sunday, sometimes with the video off.
I still get text messages and phone calls from the friends and a couple of the elders.
But you’re right, the zoom meetings have gotten so dull and over simplified…no meat!!

A few years back I was having those same feelings about the meetings. I was afraid my faith was becoming weak. It really worried me too. Our years in the organization were busy,busy,busy. We were involved in most of the activities. I pioneered for years and truly enjoyed those years! So, learning the truth about the truth meant our whole way of life would change as far as serving the WT. Now, it’s just me having to adjust my life without WT…and also life without my partner. This continues to be a big challenge for me to…I can only be thankful to you wonderful friends on this forum for helping me more than you know. But most of all I thank Jehovah because I do without a doubt know he’s been with me through all of this. It’s like I can feel his presence and I know that he hears my painful groaning and pleas as I pray to him with my whole heart.

@StillA_WorshiperOfJah I will keep you in my prayers. I know Jehovah will help you get through this. You know we’re all in this together and sometimes I can imagine our prayers going up to Jehovah and how he must be pleased because we’re making his heart rejoice. Proverbs 27:11

What a terrible time to lose a long time beloved spouse. I am sorry to hear about your family treating you this way, at such a difficult time.
It is because they are deceived.
We are glad to have you on the forum and I always enjoy your comments. You and all the others are also in my prayers
 

Ms_ladyblue

Well-known member
What a terrible time to lose a long time beloved spouse. I am sorry to hear about your family treating you this way, at such a difficult time.
It is because they are deceived.
We are glad to have you on the forum and I always enjoy your comments. You and all the others are also in my prayers
Thank you @StillA_WorshiperOfJah
I know we’re all going through some difficult challenges so our prayers are important now than ever.

I also enjoy your comments as well sister. 💕
 

LifeLearning

Well-known member
What a terrible time to lose a long time beloved spouse. I am sorry to hear about your family treating you this way, at such a difficult time.
It is because they are deceived.
We are glad to have you on the forum and I always enjoy your comments. You and all the others are also in my prayers
You are not alone, and there are many here praying for you day and night. Jehovah is hearing from our honest hearts. You are loved.
 
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