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Citrine

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There’s a term in the corporate / business world known as Blue Ocean Strategy. The basic gist of it is to stop wasting time in your small, dwindling pool of current customers when there’s a wide open ocean of untapped customers out there. To achieve this leap is to adapt or transition to a more appealing package of your current business model to attract the masses. Often key leaders are replaced and there is a period of fast changes that to an outsider may seem confusing. This approach has its risks of alienating your current customers who do not adapt to the changes but ultimately is deemed necessary for long term growth and survival.

I believe WT is already in the throes of their own Blue Ocean leap. The following is purely my own opinion based off my research. As many of us on here already know looking into the dealings of WT is murky at best. They are masters of deception and operate in a never ending loop of multiple corporate names that you would never associate with WT. They are slick and into more nefariousness than we can even imagine. I have been compiling info from many sources as well as our own experiences (especially at Brooklyn Bethel) but at this point it would take forever to link everything so I’m just gonna lay it out the way I see it. I don’t expect everyone to agree with me and welcome alternative explanations of what we’re witnessing from the borg.

I am putting everything on the table so if you’re new here or still on the fence about WT and their Freemasonry / occultism this might be too much for you at this time. There has been much debate about WT and Freemasonry and I’m going to take the stance that WT has not been infiltrated or corrupted in some way. I believe from the early days of Russell WT was created out of the Occult right from the beginning. I do not buy the Russell story of being a simple “Bible student” searching for the truth - hogwash! He was right from the beginning part of the Rothchilds, pyramidology, and Zionism. Rutherford too was an OddFellows secret society member, not to mention a shady democratic politician and overall nasty person. If you want to believe that Rutherford was selected by Jesus to lead his one true organization you may want to consider his history and not the whitewashed WT version.

There are way too many connections to be written off as coincidence anymore. In my opinion WT is a well crafted front for an evil agenda. I believe it’s as ugly as you can imagine and I’ll just put in context that not only did Rutherford build Beth Sarim with secret underground tunnels including one that connected with a goat barn on the property but most Bethel facilities have huge underground tunnels. The tunnels in Brooklyn were especially curious with many unexplained off limit sections. There has been many accounts that those tunnels not only connected to the UN building but also the docks. Of course this was always explained away as part of shipping literature and supplies. It’s been marveled how WT got and maintained control of some of the most powerful docks in the world that even the mob could not control. And of course we know who purchases those buildings and that WT filled in the tunnels before they left.

This is just a small example of the suspicious things connected to WT. Since 2020 many of sincere believers have had the ice water over the head wake up of the GB and the Vx push. Now we are aware of their deep financial ties not only to big pharma but many others including armaments, chemicals, and Hollywood. I have stated on here many times the GB did not make a mistake about the vx. Its was all well planned even before 2020 with their fear porn propaganda videos already filmed and their investments in Pfizer and various PPE companies in place - cue the “plandemic”! There have been many Bethelites and other volunteers come forward since with what they thought was a strange step by the borg to triple their personnel in the assets department specifically to deal with property and estates left to WT in the wills of the faithful ones that die. For several years leading up to 2020 there has been a push to “set something aside” for the borg especially adding it to their will.

I believe the borg has been fully complicit with the murder of a huge portion of their followers by pushing the vx fully aware that most will die from it in the near future and they will reap the benefits $$$. I apologize to those on here that may be hurt by reading this if you have taken the vx. I pray and work diligently with all those I can to detox whatever is possible and I won’t stop fighting for those that have been harmed. I am fully aware of the weight of what I am saying as it involves my family members too. In keeping with their occult ties WT as an organization may have pulled off a huge blood sacrifice with the vx push. I have long been aware of people in the org that don’t make sense from our PIMI perspective but now see more of the big picture. We have observed circuit overseers, special pioneers, and Bethelites that have told us they at one time worked for the CIA. They were no doubt different than the R&F and their stories didn’t make sense at the time. We observed offices in the original Brooklyn Bethel buildings that had no name plates or designation on them with men who were clearly not witnesses (beards and smelling of cigarettes) coming and going. If you haven’t yet heard the interview by Jordan Maxwell where he describes Fred Franz being guarded by a smoking Zionist man at the assembly I highly recommend it.

Where is all this going? I believe those that are really in charge of WT and its financial assets are making a big move. When I say those in control this has nothing to do with the GB. In my observations they are merely actors fulfilling their roles for the camera. Above all else WT is a huge financial asset and is not left to chance - it’s all being orchestrated. I believe from reports that WT was “sold” a few years ago and is going through a rebranding. We know there is a board of directors and investors (not witnesses) that manage WT and when I say sold you can call it whatever you want - traded hands etc. It has been reported that WT was part of a CIA program to evaluate the power of cult control of its members even to the point of injecting themselves at the direction of its leaders. Now that a huge majority of the congregation has taken the vx mission accomplished and now the clock is ticking to make the switch before most have died off.

What we’re witnessing with all the recent changes (beards, pants, not reporting time, etc) has nothing to do with the GB. They are merely following orders from the real controllers as they implement the rebranding. All of this is an attempt to go mainstream as a more modern and accepting version of the borg. They know they will lose some old school members and risk a huge awakening but they have no choice to survive as a business. They have for years been moving towards their goal as a Christian entertainment company where the big $$ is at. They mock their followers with “last of the last days” while they build mega movie studios and partners like Pixar and Blackmagic. The Christian entertainment industry and online platforms are the future and WT is making its move.


Watch for more break neck changes as WT ditches 1914, blood doctrines, shunning, holidays, and many more as they set themselves up for WT 2.0 which could include a new name. WT is ditching its 8 million for the wide open Blue Ocean 🌊 of literally billions of evangelicals and non denominational believers willing to pay a few bucks to subscribe to the latest faith based entertainment. You don’t have to agree of like what’s happening but WT will be a memory in a few years giving rise to its new rebranded image complete with Serena Williams doing commercials for their latest film. WT is and always has been evil and $$ is its god.
 
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Seadog

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There’s a term in the corporate / business world known as Blue Ocean Strategy. The basic gist of it is to stop wasting time in your small, dwindling pool of current customers when there’s a wide open ocean of untapped customers out there. To achieve this leap is to adapt or transition to a more appealing package of your current business model to attract the masses. Often key leaders are replaced and there is a period of fast changes that to an outsider may seem confusing. This approach has its risks of alienating your current customers who do not adapt to the changes but ultimately is deemed necessary for long term growth and survival.

I believe WT is already in the throes of their own Blue Ocean leap. The following is purely my own opinion based off my research. As many of us on here already know looking into the dealings of WT is murky at best. They are masters of deception and operate in a never ending loop of multiple corporate names that you would never associate with WT. They are slick and into more nefariousness than we can even imagine. I have been compiling info from many sources as well as our own experiences (especially at Brooklyn Bethel) but at this point it would take forever to link everything so I’m just gonna lay it out the way I see it. I don’t expect everyone to agree with me and welcome alternative explanations of what we’re witnessing from the borg.

I am putting everything on the table so if you’re new here or still on the fence about WT and their Freemasonry / occultism this might be too much for you at this time. There has been much debate about WT and Freemasonry and I’m going to take the stance that WT has not been infiltrated or corrupted in some way. I believe from the early days of Russell WT was created out of the Occult right from the beginning. I do not buy the Russell story of being a simple “Bible student” searching for the truth - hogwash! He was right from the beginning part of the Rothchilds, pyramidology, and Zionism. Rutherford too was an OddFellows secret society member, not to mention a shady democratic politician and overall nasty person. If you want to believe that Rutherford was selected by Jesus to lead his one true organization you may want to consider his history and not the whitewashed WT version.

There are way too many connections to be written off as coincidence anymore. In my opinion WT is a well crafted front for an evil agenda. I believe it’s as ugly as you can imagine and I’ll just put in context that not only did Rutherford build Beth Sarim with secret underground tunnels including one that connected with a goat barn on the property but most Bethel facilities have huge underground tunnels. The tunnels in Brooklyn were especially curious with many unexplained off limit sections. There has been many accounts that those tunnels not only connected to the UN building but also the docks. Of course this was always explained away as part of shipping literature and supplies. It’s been marveled how WT got and maintained control of some of the most powerful docks in the world that even the mob could not control. And of course we know who purchases those buildings and that WT filled in the tunnels before they left.

This is just a small example of the suspicious things connected to WT. Since 2020 many of sincere believers have had the ice water over the head wake up of the GB and the Vx push. Now we are aware of their deep financial ties not only to big pharma but many others including armaments, chemicals, and Hollywood. I have stated on here many times the GB did not make a mistake about the vx. Its was all well planned even before 2020 with their fear porn propaganda videos already filmed and their investments in Pfizer and various PPE companies in place - cue the “plandemic”! There have been many Bethelites and other volunteers come forward since with what they thought was a strange step by the borg to triple their personnel in the assets department specifically to deal with property and estates left to WT in the wills of the faithful ones that die. For several years leading up to 2020 there has been a push to “set something aside” for the borg especially adding it to their will.

I believe the borg has been fully complicit with the murder of a huge portion of their followers by pushing the vx fully aware that most will die from it in the near future and they will reap the benefits $$$. I apologize to those on here that may be hurt by reading this if you have taken the vx. I pray and work diligently with all those I can to detox whatever is possible and I won’t stop fighting for those that have been harmed. I am fully aware of the weight of what I am saying as it involves my family members too. In keeping with their occult ties WT as an organization may have pulled off a huge blood sacrifice with the vx push. I have long been aware of people in the org that don’t make sense from our PIMI perspective but now see more of the big picture. We have observed circuit overseers, special pioneers, and Bethelites that have told us they at one time worked for the CIA. They were no doubt different than the R&F and their stories didn’t make sense at the time. We observed offices in the original Brooklyn Bethel buildings that had no name plates or designation on them with men who were clearly not witnesses (beards and smelling of cigarettes) coming and going. If you haven’t yet heard the interview by Jordan Maxwell where he describes Fred Franz being guarded by a smoking Zionist man at the assembly I highly recommend it.

Where is all this going? I believe those that are really in charge of WT and its financial assets are making a big move. When I say those in control this has nothing to do with the GB. In my observations they are merely actors fulfilling their roles for the camera. Above all else WT is a huge financial asset and is not left to chance - it’s all being orchestrated. I believe from reports that WT was “sold” a few years ago and is going through a rebranding. We know there is a board of directors and investors (not witnesses) that manage WT and when I say sold you can call it whatever you want - traded hands etc. It has been reported that WT was part of a CIA program to evaluate the power of cult control of its members even to the point of injecting themselves at the direction of its leaders. Now that a huge majority of the congregation has taken the vx mission accomplished and now the clock is ticking to make the switch before most have died off.

What we’re witnessing with all the recent changes (beards, pants, not reporting time, etc) has nothing to do with the GB. They are merely following orders from the real controllers as they implement the rebranding. All of this is an attempt to go mainstream as a more modern and accepting version of the borg. They know they will lose some old school members and risk a huge awakening but they have no choice to survive as a business. They have for years been moving towards their goal as a Christian entertainment company where the big $$ is at. They mock their followers with “last of the last days” while they build mega movie studios and partners like Pixar and Blackmagic. The Christian entertainment industry and online platforms are the future and WT is making its move.


Watch for more break neck changes as WT ditches 1914, blood doctrines, shunning, holidays, and many more as they set themselves up for WT 2.0 which could include a new name. WT is ditching its 8 million for the wide open Blue Ocean 🌊 of literally billions of evangelicals and non denominational believers willing to pay a few bucks to subscribe to the latest faith based entertainment. You don’t have to agree of like what’s happening but WT will be a memory in a few years giving rise to its new rebranded image complete with Serena Williams doing commercials for their latest film. WT is and always has been evil and $$ is its god.
Well that’s put a few new spins on affairs Citrine🫣
 

Carl

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If you want to believe that Rutherford was selected by Jesus to lead his one true organization you may want to consider his history and not the whitewashed WT version.
Is it possible Russell, Rutherford... were the MOL/evil slave from the beginning, while at the same time the other founders, on down to some of today's GB were/are the good slave? I'm not defending the WT, just the basic doctrines they got correct. If they're only here to mislead they don't have much reach. What if they're meant to be a magnet for truth seekers? A giant net to be the ultimate tool of deception during the HOT? I do believe they're right about the 144,000, GC, hellfire, trinity and 1,000 year kingdom/resurrection. Therefore, I believe they've brought forth important life saving truth, while also teaching deceptive lies. The alternative is what? The preterist view? The Zionist view? The Evangelical view?

The tunnels in Brooklyn were especially curious with many unexplained off limit sections. There has been many accounts that those tunnels not only connected to the UN building but also the docks. Of course this was always explained away as part of shipping literature and supplies. It’s been marveled how WT got and maintained control of some of the most powerful docks in the world that even the mob could not control. And of course we know who purchases those buildings and that WT filled in the tunnels before they left.
I watched a secret video years ago by a Bethelite who videotaped some weird worship session in the basement. I wish I had kept it. I do find it odd that a huge religious Zionist bought both the buildings.

For several years leading up to 2020 there has been a push to “set something aside” for the borg especially adding it to their will.
How many $$$ millions came in from people killed by the jab? That's a horrible thought, but if the WT is in financial trouble, this can't be ruled out as a motive for them pushing the vax so hard. That and they were more than likely rewarded by the government in some way. If so, this information will come out eventually, and it could be one of the things that brings them down.

Jordan Maxwell where he describes Fred Franz being guarded by a smoking Zionist man
I didn't like Jordan Maxwell at first, because I didn't want to believe his stories about the WT... he has some interesting insider stories though.

Watch for more break neck changes as WT ditches 1914, blood doctrines, shunning, holidays, and many more as they set themselves up for WT 2.0 which could include a new name. WT is ditching its 8 million for the wide open Blue Ocean 🌊 of literally billions of evangelicals and non denominational believers willing to pay a few bucks to subscribe to the latest faith based entertainment. You don’t have to agree of like what’s happening but WT will be a memory in a few years giving rise to its new rebranded image complete with Serena Williams doing commercials for their latest film. WT is and always has been evil and $$ is its god.
I can't say you're analysis is wrong. This would start the great apostasy I presume.
 

Wide Awake

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The tunnels in Brooklyn were especially curious with many unexplained off limit sections.
Yes, walking in the tunnels were creepy and disturbing to say the least.
We have observed circuit overseers, special pioneers, and Bethelites that have told us they at one time worked for the CIA.
We too knew of a brother who worked for a three letter agency and after we moved still called to check on us. It was odd because he had barely been in the hall when we left. He was an elder. Also, knew of a brother who claimed to be formerly connected to the mafia.
they build mega movie studios
Yes, we are to all downsize and simplify our lives while they build and pay millions for this studio.
Many think it will be used in the new system because Jehovahs Holy Spirit just isn't enough apparently.
 
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kirmmy

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There’s a term in the corporate / business world known as Blue Ocean Strategy. The basic gist of it is to stop wasting time in your small, dwindling pool of current customers when there’s a wide open ocean of untapped customers out there. To achieve this leap is to adapt or transition to a more appealing package of your current business model to attract the masses. Often key leaders are replaced and there is a period of fast changes that to an outsider may seem confusing. This approach has its risks of alienating your current customers who do not adapt to the changes but ultimately is deemed necessary for long term growth and survival.

I believe WT is already in the throes of their own Blue Ocean leap. The following is purely my own opinion based off my research. As many of us on here already know looking into the dealings of WT is murky at best. They are masters of deception and operate in a never ending loop of multiple corporate names that you would never associate with WT. They are slick and into more nefariousness than we can even imagine. I have been compiling info from many sources as well as our own experiences (especially at Brooklyn Bethel) but at this point it would take forever to link everything so I’m just gonna lay it out the way I see it. I don’t expect everyone to agree with me and welcome alternative explanations of what we’re witnessing from the borg.

I am putting everything on the table so if you’re new here or still on the fence about WT and their Freemasonry / occultism this might be too much for you at this time. There has been much debate about WT and Freemasonry and I’m going to take the stance that WT has not been infiltrated or corrupted in some way. I believe from the early days of Russell WT was created out of the Occult right from the beginning. I do not buy the Russell story of being a simple “Bible student” searching for the truth - hogwash! He was right from the beginning part of the Rothchilds, pyramidology, and Zionism. Rutherford too was an OddFellows secret society member, not to mention a shady democratic politician and overall nasty person. If you want to believe that Rutherford was selected by Jesus to lead his one true organization you may want to consider his history and not the whitewashed WT version.

There are way too many connections to be written off as coincidence anymore. In my opinion WT is a well crafted front for an evil agenda. I believe it’s as ugly as you can imagine and I’ll just put in context that not only did Rutherford build Beth Sarim with secret underground tunnels including one that connected with a goat barn on the property but most Bethel facilities have huge underground tunnels. The tunnels in Brooklyn were especially curious with many unexplained off limit sections. There has been many accounts that those tunnels not only connected to the UN building but also the docks. Of course this was always explained away as part of shipping literature and supplies. It’s been marveled how WT got and maintained control of some of the most powerful docks in the world that even the mob could not control. And of course we know who purchases those buildings and that WT filled in the tunnels before they left.

This is just a small example of the suspicious things connected to WT. Since 2020 many of sincere believers have had the ice water over the head wake up of the GB and the Vx push. Now we are aware of their deep financial ties not only to big pharma but many others including armaments, chemicals, and Hollywood. I have stated on here many times the GB did not make a mistake about the vx. Its was all well planned even before 2020 with their fear porn propaganda videos already filmed and their investments in Pfizer and various PPE companies in place - cue the “plandemic”! There have been many Bethelites and other volunteers come forward since with what they thought was a strange step by the borg to triple their personnel in the assets department specifically to deal with property and estates left to WT in the wills of the faithful ones that die. For several years leading up to 2020 there has been a push to “set something aside” for the borg especially adding it to their will.

I believe the borg has been fully complicit with the murder of a huge portion of their followers by pushing the vx fully aware that most will die from it in the near future and they will reap the benefits $$$. I apologize to those on here that may be hurt by reading this if you have taken the vx. I pray and work diligently with all those I can to detox whatever is possible and I won’t stop fighting for those that have been harmed. I am fully aware of the weight of what I am saying as it involves my family members too. In keeping with their occult ties WT as an organization may have pulled off a huge blood sacrifice with the vx push. I have long been aware of people in the org that don’t make sense from our PIMI perspective but now see more of the big picture. We have observed circuit overseers, special pioneers, and Bethelites that have told us they at one time worked for the CIA. They were no doubt different than the R&F and their stories didn’t make sense at the time. We observed offices in the original Brooklyn Bethel buildings that had no name plates or designation on them with men who were clearly not witnesses (beards and smelling of cigarettes) coming and going. If you haven’t yet heard the interview by Jordan Maxwell where he describes Fred Franz being guarded by a smoking Zionist man at the assembly I highly recommend it.

Where is all this going? I believe those that are really in charge of WT and its financial assets are making a big move. When I say those in control this has nothing to do with the GB. In my observations they are merely actors fulfilling their roles for the camera. Above all else WT is a huge financial asset and is not left to chance - it’s all being orchestrated. I believe from reports that WT was “sold” a few years ago and is going through a rebranding. We know there is a board of directors and investors (not witnesses) that manage WT and when I say sold you can call it whatever you want - traded hands etc. It has been reported that WT was part of a CIA program to evaluate the power of cult control of its members even to the point of injecting themselves at the direction of its leaders. Now that a huge majority of the congregation has taken the vx mission accomplished and now the clock is ticking to make the switch before most have died off.

What we’re witnessing with all the recent changes (beards, pants, not reporting time, etc) has nothing to do with the GB. They are merely following orders from the real controllers as they implement the rebranding. All of this is an attempt to go mainstream as a more modern and accepting version of the borg. They know they will lose some old school members and risk a huge awakening but they have no choice to survive as a business. They have for years been moving towards their goal as a Christian entertainment company where the big $$ is at. They mock their followers with “last of the last days” while they build mega movie studios and partners like Pixar and Blackmagic. The Christian entertainment industry and online platforms are the future and WT is making its move.


Watch for more break neck changes as WT ditches 1914, blood doctrines, shunning, holidays, and many more as they set themselves up for WT 2.0 which could include a new name. WT is ditching its 8 million for the wide open Blue Ocean 🌊 of literally billions of evangelicals and non denominational believers willing to pay a few bucks to subscribe to the latest faith based entertainment. You don’t have to agree of like what’s happening but WT will be a memory in a few years giving rise to its new rebranded image complete with Serena Williams doing commercials for their latest film. WT is and always has been evil and $$ is its god.
Chilling, no doubt. But they can re-brand themselves all they want, a godless generation won't find anything they want or need with them. Religion is dying. I see it all around me. I think they used to link that with the waters of the Euphrates drying up in prophecy.
 

Medi-tator

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secret underground tunnels including one that connected with a goat barn
Oh no! Not the goat barn!! :ROFLMAO::rolleyes:

WT filled in the tunnels before they left.
With what may I ask? If those tunnels reached the UN which is over 3 miles away from WT, that is a lot of material to fill up those "huge underground tunnels".

I could pick apart more but I would rather not waste my time.

This missive reads like a "Reader's Digest" article. Sorry Citrine, you have a ton of angst but very little credibility in my humble opinion.
 

BARNABY THE DOG.

Well-known member
There’s a term in the corporate / business world known as Blue Ocean Strategy.
The watchtower exists. That it came about, why it remains and what is to be made of it is it’s raison d‘etre. The logistics from a material point of view, in how it is maintained is not of our concern. Its meaning is important though in that its adherents are deceived over the founding principles of the bible. This much is true of it. It is hardly surprizing that’s its underpinning values are evil. How could they not be? Expect it. And the extent of that evil will certainly be revealed in due course, but its genesis will be of far more import than its earthly business partners are evil in themselves. The Watchtower is a spiritual issue of deception. That its deceit is a manifestation of Satan is not argued. Hence your research at best reveals that, but at the other end of the scale, detracts from the spiritual issues that it was created to oppose.

When it is revealed, the evil within will be relevant only to those who have placed their faith in watchtower. The majority, will have already left - as they are doing so right now. “Get out of her my people, if you do not wish to share in her downfall…”. Those that remain will be given their chance in being awakened in terror, but at that stage of the game, with what reserves of weakened faith will they fight? Will they be worried about blue sky thinking or blue ocean thinking, tunnels, underground distilleries of whore houses connected to the docks? I think not.

The bible advises us not to be distracted in these times. Our energies are far better put to use in contemplation in the issues of building faith. Coming to terms with our own failings and in tandem with prayer and consideration of how to develop our love for each other through the development of spiritual insight into the attributes of the spirit. It is these facets of Jehovah that will strengthen our resolve even to death, to serve Him through Jesus through our understanding of the wisdom of His Way. These are our priorities. Jehovah will sort watchtower. Vengeance is His. I suspect Putin will take care of the Blue ocean thinking long before then - maybe by the end of the year if we are lucky. So what we do now in terms of (our) faith, is critical. 👍
 

BARNABY THE DOG.

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Oh no! Not the goat barn!! :ROFLMAO::rolleyes:


With what may I ask? If those tunnels reached the UN which is over 3 miles away from WT, that is a lot of material to fill up those "huge underground tunnels".

I could pick apart more but I would rather not waste my time.

This missive reads like a "Reader's Digest" article. Sorry Citrine, you have a ton of angst but very little credibility in my humble opinion.
What’s so funny about a goat barn?! When I lived in the country, the first thing we did on moving in was bore a tunnel to the nearest goat barn. The local church had not only a tunnel running from the crypt to Nigella’s Naughty Nightclub in New Street, but also a tunnel to Betty’s Betting Booth for Boiler Men, besides the two tunnels running to the local Goat Barn and Auntie Bertha’s Tea Barn. My brother and I used to go along our the tunnel to the goat barn every morning to see if they had laid any eggs. They were not good layers it has to be said, but when they did lay one, it fed the family for a week. Goat Barn Tunnels were very popular in England during the 1920s and served as effective bomb shelters during the second world war, and the name soon morphed into the GT tunnels, and the early witnesses often used to liken them to shelters during the coming Great Tribulation. Of course, this is where watchtower latched on to the idea of of the Great Tribulation, hence the tunnels secretly being referred to as “Goat Tunnels” under watchtower in NY.
 

JMJLG

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What’s so funny about a goat barn?! When I lived in the country, the first thing we did on moving in was bore a tunnel to the nearest goat barn. The local church had not only a tunnel running from the crypt to Nigella’s Naughty Nightclub in New Street, but also a tunnel to Betty’s Betting Booth for Boiler Men, besides the two tunnels running to the local Goat Barn and Auntie Bertha’s Tea Barn. My brother and I used to go along our the tunnel to the goat barn every morning to see if they had laid any eggs. They were not good layers it has to be said, but when they did lay one, it fed the family for a week. Goat Barn Tunnels were very popular in England during the 1920s and served as effective bomb shelters during the second world war, and the name soon morphed into the GT tunnels, and the early witnesses often used to liken them to shelters during the coming Great Tribulation. Of course, this is where watchtower latched on to the idea of of the Great Tribulation, hence the tunnels secretly being referred to as “Goat Tunnels” under watchtower in NY.
I see nothing strange about a tunnel to the goat barn . Just two months ago , a synagogue tunnel was discovered in New York . This led to the arrest of 9 Hasidic Jews . There may be a bit of a pattern forming here . Maybe just friendly competition .
 

BARNABY THE DOG.

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I see nothing strange about a tunnel to the goat barn . Just two months ago , a synagogue tunnel was discovered in New York . This led to the arrest of 9 Hasidic Jews . There may be a bit of a pattern forming here . Maybe just friendly competition .
Very true. There was a book written by what I believe was a section of Irish catholic nuns - called the Black Nuns. One of the nuns wrote a book about her experiences and it was published circa 1856? There was a tunnel between the monastery and the nunnery - no need to explain more, but a pit in the nunnery when excavated was found to be full of the bones of infants. That’s the thing with tunnels - they are usually there for a less than fragrant reason. Does not the new watchtower building have underground chambers etc?
 

JMJLG

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Very true. There was a book written by what I believe was a section of Irish catholic nuns - called the Black Nuns. One of the nuns wrote a book about her experiences and it was published circa 1856? There was a tunnel between the monastery and the nunnery - no need to explain more, but a pit in the nunnery when excavated was found to be full of the bones of infants. That’s the thing with tunnels - they are usually there for a less than fragrant reason. Does not the new watchtower building have underground chambers etc?
I know that the Nuns used to take in young unmarried girls , and when the bairns were born , would put them in a room to die . The girls also sometimes shared the same fate . But then again Mother Teresa also had dying rooms for those in poverty could die , rather than feed and help them . She reckoned that it brought them closer to God . https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...d-children-found-at-tuam-orphanage-in-ireland
 

Citrine

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Oh no! Not the goat barn!! :ROFLMAO::rolleyes:


With what may I ask? If those tunnels reached the UN which is over 3 miles away from WT, that is a lot of material to fill up those "huge underground tunnels".

I could pick apart more but I would rather not waste my time.

This missive reads like a "Reader's Digest" article. Sorry Citrine, you have a ton of angst but very little credibility in my humble opinion.
This is unusually insulting for you @Medi-tator. I was clear it was my opinion. I enjoy a good discussion and open debate. I never said they filled in to the UN just the tunnels directly under the Bethel buildings. It was openly discussed among the Bethel workers at Warwick that they were instructed to fill them in and no reason was given.
 

BARNABY THE DOG.

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I know that the Nuns used to take in young unmarried girls , and when the bairns were born , would put them in a room to die . The girls also sometimes shared the same fate . But then again Mother Teresa also had dying rooms for those in poverty could die , rather than feed and help them . She reckoned that it brought them closer to God . https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...d-children-found-at-tuam-orphanage-in-ireland
Strange how people know what brings one closer to God. It always seems to be painful though !! ☹️
 
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