Great Crowd and the Great Tribulation

Speaking of the great tribulation, interestingly, the Watchtower came up with yet another "adjustment" at the last Annual Meeting. The new light was put to print in the May 2024 Watchtower. Now, it is possible for people to repent after Babylon the Great is destroyed, or so they say. Incredible! They didn't offer much scriptural support for their new light, only that Jehovah is so merciful. JW's apparently do not realize that the GB's new light contradicts everything the Watchtower has stood for up until now. How often have we heard "Get out of here, my people"? Now, though, the WT has repudiated that biblical order.

Of course, the big error of the WT is the assumption that the great tribulation begins when the 8th king destroys Babylon the Great. No one has ever explained why God would be compelled to intervene to save mankind from extinction if the tribulation is merely the liquidation of false religion. After all these years of Bible study and research the Watchtower is regressing. This is to be expected as the organization is led deeper into apostasy and opposition to God.

As regards coming out of the great tribulation, Jesus had something to say about that: “However, when you catch sight of the disgusting thing that causes desolation standing where it should not be (let the reader use discernment), then let those in Judea begin fleeing to the mountains. Let the man on the housetop not come down nor go inside to take anything out of his house; and let the man in the field not return to the things behind to pick up his outer garment. Woe to the pregnant women and those nursing a baby in those days! Keep praying that it may not occur in wintertime; for those days will be days of a tribulation such as has not occurred from the beginning of the creation that God created until that time, and will not occur again. In fact, unless Jehovah had cut short the days, no flesh would be saved. But on account of the chosen ones whom he has chosen, he has cut short the days." - Mark 13:14-20

In the first century, Jerusalem was the center of worship, not only for Jews but also for Christians. Contrary to what the Watchtower teaches, the apostles did not view the Jewish form of worship or the temple as an unclean thing to avoid. There was one instance when the apostles advised Paul to go to the temple and make a sacrifice to quell the rumors that he was preaching an apostasy from Moses. So, when the disgusting thing appeared, the Christians in Jerusalem had to leave behind what had been Jehovah's organization. They literally, physically had to flee to the mountains.

During the conclusion, Christians will also be required to leave Jehovah's organization, but there will be no physical location to which to flee. In that instance, the mountains will be the singular mountain described in prophecy: "In the final part of the days, the mountain of the house of Jehovah will become firmly established above the top of the mountains, and it will be raised up above the hills, and to it peoples will stream."
 
You never seem to have a shortage of good observations and insights. At the end of the day I think what matters most is we guard against being arrogant. That was what made Satan, arrogance.

Oh, and if you have been here awhile, you may have noticed this is one of my "pet peeves." Not because I see arrogance in everyone else, but because I see it in myself and IMO, I think it's what leads to all manner of wickedness!
prov 4:23-27.....

Above all else, guard your heart,
for everything you do flows from it.
24 Keep your mouth free of perversity;
keep corrupt talk far from your lips.
25 Let your eyes look straight ahead;
fix your gaze directly before you.
26 Give careful thought to the[a] paths for your feet
and be steadfast in all your ways.
27 Do not turn to the right or the left;
keep your foot from evil.
We also need to be mindful of our heart condition.
The heart is more treacherous than anything else and is desperate, states (Jer. 17:9)
The Scriptures warn us: “Out of the heart come wicked reasonings, murders, adulteries, fornications, thieveries, false testimonies, blasphemies.” (Matt. 15:19) Our figurative heart can betray us and lead us to justify a course of action that is contrary to God’s will. And we may not realize what has happened until after we have acted unwisely.
 
This makes sense. Great Tribulation isn't some specific event, where events have to occur in a specific way, but may just be a tribulation that happens to be Great. That would include the hour with the eighth king.
Sounds good. The great tribulation is just cut short, not completely eliminated. It morphs into a different kind of global suffering.
The eighth kings 42 month reign will be a reign of terror as he carries out the Malthusian agenda of mass genocide on all who refuse giving their allegiance over to him.
Through it all however, Jehovah will be a stronghold for us to find comfort and strength even though many faithful will no doubt be killed for their faithfulness.
 
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I thought I would start a discussion about a subject that I am confused about and I think others are as well. I know not everything in prophecy is black and white...but I am having difficulty in wrapping my brain around the following. We know Revelation 7:14-17 indicates that the tent of God is with the ones that come out of the tribulation - the Great Crowd. Is the door to salvation closed after the GT and before the 8th King starts to rule?? What kind of test did the Great Crowd pass during the GT that Jehovah put his tent over them? I thought the test for Jehovah's people comes from the 8th King...tied up with taking the mark 666. Since the one hour of judgment....one hour of test....one hour that the 8th King rules (1,260 days) are all the same one hour..... who is this for? If the door to salvation is closed after the GT then why is the parable of separating the sheep and goats connected to the Hour of Test?
The pangs of distress/WW3 occurs first, ¼ world people die during that time. Under that pretext it gives way for the 10 kings to give their power to the beast making it at that point the 8th king. When that happens that is when it will rule for 42 months.

That period of 42-month rule is the HOT, the time that the MOTB will be giving out under the 8th king. The remaining ¾ of people that did not die during the POD all will be faced with the HOT.

Those that take the mark and support the beast return to a sense of stability/peace under the 8th king rule. Those that refuse the mark and to support the beast will have tribulation all during the 42 months, being captives and even killed during such time. At the end of the 42 months, all those captives (sheep) will be the ones that then will get relief by Jesus at his coming after those 42 months of tribulation upon them. They are who make up the GC. All those (goats) who were supporting the 8th king, along with the 8th king will be destroyed.
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(WW3)
Matthew 24:7“For nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be food shortages and earthquakes in one place after another. 8 All these things are a beginning of pangs of distress. (Rev 6:2-8)

(8th king rule 42-months)
Matthew 24:9Then people will hand you over to tribulation and will kill you, and you will be hated by all the nations on account of my name. 13 But the one who has endured to the end will be saved. (Rev 6:9-11; Luke 21:24; Rev 11:2; 13:5,7,10; Joel 2:17)

(End of 42-months, Jesus comes/Armageddon)
Mark 13:24 “But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, 25 and the stars will be falling out of heaven, and the powers that are in the heavens will be shaken. 26 And then they will see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. 27 And then he will send out the angels and will gather his chosen ones together from the four winds, from earth’s extremity to heaven’s extremity. (Rev 6:12-17; Luke 21:25-27; Matt 25:31,32; Joel 3:1,2; Rev 20:4;19:17-21; Rev 7:9,10,13-17)
 
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Speaking of the great tribulation, interestingly, the Watchtower came up with yet another "adjustment" at the last Annual Meeting. The new light was put to print in the May 2024 Watchtower. Now, it is possible for people to repent after Babylon the Great is destroyed, or so they say. Incredible! They didn't offer much scriptural support for their new light, only that Jehovah is so merciful. JW's apparently do not realize that the GB's new light contradicts everything the Watchtower has stood for up until now. How often have we heard "Get out of here, my people"? Now, though, the WT has repudiated that biblical order.

Of course, the big error of the WT is the assumption that the great tribulation begins when the 8th king destroys Babylon the Great. No one has ever explained why God would be compelled to intervene to save mankind from extinction if the tribulation is merely the liquidation of false religion. After all these years of Bible study and research the Watchtower is regressing. This is to be expected as the organization is led deeper into apostasy and opposition to God.

As regards coming out of the great tribulation, Jesus had something to say about that: “However, when you catch sight of the disgusting thing that causes desolation standing where it should not be (let the reader use discernment), then let those in Judea begin fleeing to the mountains. Let the man on the housetop not come down nor go inside to take anything out of his house; and let the man in the field not return to the things behind to pick up his outer garment. Woe to the pregnant women and those nursing a baby in those days! Keep praying that it may not occur in wintertime; for those days will be days of a tribulation such as has not occurred from the beginning of the creation that God created until that time, and will not occur again. In fact, unless Jehovah had cut short the days, no flesh would be saved. But on account of the chosen ones whom he has chosen, he has cut short the days." - Mark 13:14-20

In the first century, Jerusalem was the center of worship, not only for Jews but also for Christians. Contrary to what the Watchtower teaches, the apostles did not view the Jewish form of worship or the temple as an unclean thing to avoid. There was one instance when the apostles advised Paul to go to the temple and make a sacrifice to quell the rumors that he was preaching an apostasy from Moses. So, when the disgusting thing appeared, the Christians in Jerusalem had to leave behind what had been Jehovah's organization. They literally, physically had to flee to the mountains.

During the conclusion, Christians will also be required to leave Jehovah's organization, but there will be no physical location to which to flee. In that instance, the mountains will be the singular mountain described in prophecy: "In the final part of the days, the mountain of the house of Jehovah will become firmly established above the top of the mountains, and it will be raised up above the hills, and to it peoples will stream."
The watchtower is sinking to the level of mainstream evangelism. There they fling “luurrrve” around as though whatever you do, however obliging “god” is, he will forgive all things; that the ritual of working one’s self up into a frenzy is pleasing to him and negates all the apathy of the prior week. Thankfully, love comes with its refining element of justice. The cake of love has many ingredients and primarily made with “batter”ing first!
 
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