I think I'm just going to have to do it....

Nomex

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After freaking out the other night, and going off on Soul Sage, because of my own unresolved issues...which are really issues I am not facing, I think I will have to send a letter to my elders. One of the things that was going on, is my "group overseer" sent me a message about a "Bethelite speaker" which i translated as more idol worship and wanting to meet with us.

I am going to send the MOAB letter to my body! One they cannot possibly refute...this what i have so far! I have decided i was going to take a different approach one of which I think I will start the letter with, "this is not a disassociation letter! Which as what I have written so far I think I won't write, because I think I'll have them so confused they won't know what to think....

Here's my rough draft that I think is pretty darn close to what I will send.



"Satan is the “father of the lie”, the “ruler of this system of things”, and an angel “who transforms himself into an angel of light.”

Roman’s 13 does not change the fact that the last 6000 years have been a struggle between good and evil, Satan and Jehovah, and the fact Jehovah’s Kingdom has not begun ruling on earth, and anything coming from Satan’s world should be considered evil until proven otherwise. Anything coming form the “8th King the UN, and the health arm of the UN the WHO, should be especially suspect!

Instead what the GB did was embrace the 8th King the UN and the WHO, and even claimed the vaccine had God’s backing. Which is especially concerning since I do not remember Jesus healing people with medicine, which we would not need if we were in Jehovah’s Kingdom.
The lies are piled on so deep it’s impossible to know where to start. But I’ll start here.

Without going back at least five years, and looking at deaths overall, and then comparing those deaths to the deaths during Covid, and the period prior in the last five years, the claims of people dying “from Covid” are meaningless. And in fact, the data bears out the fact, the father of the lie, the ruler of this system of things, was indeed lying, and there were no excess deaths anywhere in the world. Interestingly the father of the lie, likes to call anything that contradicts the father of the lies "lie", "misinformation".


However, there are excess deaths since the vaccine rolled out as born out for an absolute fact by the life insurance actuaries. It seems the ruler of this world really knew the way to kill people was to use a vaccine that he provided that was supposed to save people based on the lie of a pandemic, that the father of the lie, used to create fear and control people, and to convince people to take these untested experimental “vaccines” which are not vaccines BTW! Who would have thought that? Who would have thought the ruler of this system the father of the lie, would LIE! Well, people who knew the world is ruled by the father of the lie, and who transforms himself into an angel of light should have known that! I knew that. My family knows that.

These last 3 years remind me of Isaiah chapter 30, the GB have gone down to Egypt, instead of seeking Jehovah for help. Jehovah is NOT providing a vaccine. Jehovah is NOT aiding Satan even if the vaccine was helping people!

This is all very concerning. I know this organization is God’s organization, but I have come to this realization. This organization is not perfect, we all know that, and I have been told many times, “wait on Jehovah” with regards to correcting the organization.

I realize now, that Jehovah has to correct the GB! So we (my family) will wait on Jehovah to correct the GB. We cannot be a part of the obvious idol worship that the meetings of Jehovah’s Witnesses have become, of the GB!

So while we wait on Jehovah to discipline the GB, we will not be attending meetings, until Jehovah’s cleanses his house because we cannot be apart of this GB idol worship. This “faithful and discrete slave” IS NOT SEALED! And there is nothing in the bible to suggest we worship these men, to replace Jesus and Jehovah!

Therefore we cannot be apart of what we see as obvious and unabashed "idol worship of men."

The Nation of Israel did not stop being “God’s People” until they rejected his messiah and had Jesus killed. So I know Jehovah’s Witnesses are still God’s people.

Likewise we do not believe that this is not or has stopped being “God people.” We will just wait on God to discipline his organization, which to us is obviously going to happen!


I will probably refine some of this...but I am going to have to send something and soon...
 

kirmmy

Well-known member
After freaking out the other night, and going off on Soul Sage, because of my own unresolved issues...which are really issues I am not facing, I think I will have to send a letter to my elders. One of the things that was going on, is my "group overseer" sent me a message about a "Bethelite speaker" which i translated as more idol worship and wanting to meet with us.

I am going to send the MOAB letter to my body! One they cannot possibly refute...this what i have so far! I have decided i was going to take a different approach one of which I think I will start the letter with, "this is not a disassociation letter! Which as what I have written so far I think I won't write, because I think I'll have them so confused they won't know what to think....

Here's my rough draft that I think is pretty darn close to what I will send.



"Satan is the “father of the lie”, the “ruler of this system of things”, and an angel “who transforms himself into an angel of light.”

Roman’s 13 does not change the fact that the last 6000 years have been a struggle between good and evil, Satan and Jehovah, and the fact Jehovah’s Kingdom has not begun ruling on earth, and anything coming from Satan’s world should be considered evil until proven otherwise. Anything coming form the “8th King the UN, and the health arm of the UN the WHO, should be especially suspect!

Instead what the GB did was embrace the 8th King the UN and the WHO, and even claimed the vaccine had God’s backing. Which is especially concerning since I do not remember Jesus healing people with medicine, which we would not need if we were in Jehovah’s Kingdom.
The lies are piled on so deep it’s impossible to know where to start. But I’ll start here.

Without going back at least five years, and looking at deaths overall, and then comparing those deaths to the deaths during Covid, and the period prior in the last five years, the claims of people dying “from Covid” are meaningless. And in fact, the data bears out the fact, the father of the lie, the ruler of this system of things, was indeed lying, and there were no excess deaths anywhere in the world. Interestingly the father of the lie, likes to call anything that contradicts the father of the lies "lie", "misinformation".


However, there are excess deaths since the vaccine rolled out as born out for an absolute fact by the life insurance actuaries. It seems the ruler of this world really knew the way to kill people was to use a vaccine that he provided that was supposed to save people based on the lie of a pandemic, that the father of the lie, used to create fear and control people, and to convince people to take these untested experimental “vaccines” which are not vaccines BTW! Who would have thought that? Who would have thought the ruler of this system the father of the lie, would LIE! Well, people who knew the world is ruled by the father of the lie, and who transforms himself into an angel of light should have known that! I knew that. My family knows that.

These last 3 years remind me of Isaiah chapter 30, the GB have gone down to Egypt, instead of seeking Jehovah for help. Jehovah is NOT providing a vaccine. Jehovah is NOT aiding Satan even if the vaccine was helping people!

This is all very concerning. I know this organization is God’s organization, but I have come to this realization. This organization is not perfect, we all know that, and I have been told many times, “wait on Jehovah” with regards to correcting the organization.

I realize now, that Jehovah has to correct the GB! So we (my family) will wait on Jehovah to correct the GB. We cannot be a part of the obvious idol worship that the meetings of Jehovah’s Witnesses have become, of the GB!

So while we wait on Jehovah to discipline the GB, we will not be attending meetings, until Jehovah’s cleanses his house because we cannot be apart of this GB idol worship. This “faithful and discrete slave” IS NOT SEALED! And there is nothing in the bible to suggest we worship these men, to replace Jesus and Jehovah!

Therefore we cannot be apart of what we see as obvious and unabashed "idol worship of men."

The Nation of Israel did not stop being “God’s People” until they rejected his messiah and had Jesus killed. So I know Jehovah’s Witnesses are still God’s people.

Likewise we do not believe that this is not or has stopped being “God people.” We will just wait on God to discipline his organization, which to us is obviously going to happen!


I will probably refine some of this...but I am going to have to send something and soon...
What's with all the letter writing around here lately? Nomex you go into a meeting with them and you deck them, one after the other. Simple. Easy. AND, it gets your point across. :LOL:
 

evw

Well-known member
After freaking out the other night, and going off on Soul Sage, because of my own unresolved issues...which are really issues I am not facing, I think I will have to send a letter to my elders. One of the things that was going on, is my "group overseer" sent me a message about a "Bethelite speaker" which i translated as more idol worship and wanting to meet with us.

I am going to send the MOAB letter to my body! One they cannot possibly refute...this what i have so far! I have decided i was going to take a different approach one of which I think I will start the letter with, "this is not a disassociation letter! Which as what I have written so far I think I won't write, because I think I'll have them so confused they won't know what to think....

Here's my rough draft that I think is pretty darn close to what I will send.



"Satan is the “father of the lie”, the “ruler of this system of things”, and an angel “who transforms himself into an angel of light.”

Roman’s 13 does not change the fact that the last 6000 years have been a struggle between good and evil, Satan and Jehovah, and the fact Jehovah’s Kingdom has not begun ruling on earth, and anything coming from Satan’s world should be considered evil until proven otherwise. Anything coming form the “8th King the UN, and the health arm of the UN the WHO, should be especially suspect!

Instead what the GB did was embrace the 8th King the UN and the WHO, and even claimed the vaccine had God’s backing. Which is especially concerning since I do not remember Jesus healing people with medicine, which we would not need if we were in Jehovah’s Kingdom.
The lies are piled on so deep it’s impossible to know where to start. But I’ll start here.

Without going back at least five years, and looking at deaths overall, and then comparing those deaths to the deaths during Covid, and the period prior in the last five years, the claims of people dying “from Covid” are meaningless. And in fact, the data bears out the fact, the father of the lie, the ruler of this system of things, was indeed lying, and there were no excess deaths anywhere in the world. Interestingly the father of the lie, likes to call anything that contradicts the father of the lies "lie", "misinformation".


However, there are excess deaths since the vaccine rolled out as born out for an absolute fact by the life insurance actuaries. It seems the ruler of this world really knew the way to kill people was to use a vaccine that he provided that was supposed to save people based on the lie of a pandemic, that the father of the lie, used to create fear and control people, and to convince people to take these untested experimental “vaccines” which are not vaccines BTW! Who would have thought that? Who would have thought the ruler of this system the father of the lie, would LIE! Well, people who knew the world is ruled by the father of the lie, and who transforms himself into an angel of light should have known that! I knew that. My family knows that.

These last 3 years remind me of Isaiah chapter 30, the GB have gone down to Egypt, instead of seeking Jehovah for help. Jehovah is NOT providing a vaccine. Jehovah is NOT aiding Satan even if the vaccine was helping people!

This is all very concerning. I know this organization is God’s organization, but I have come to this realization. This organization is not perfect, we all know that, and I have been told many times, “wait on Jehovah” with regards to correcting the organization.

I realize now, that Jehovah has to correct the GB! So we (my family) will wait on Jehovah to correct the GB. We cannot be a part of the obvious idol worship that the meetings of Jehovah’s Witnesses have become, of the GB!

So while we wait on Jehovah to discipline the GB, we will not be attending meetings, until Jehovah’s cleanses his house because we cannot be apart of this GB idol worship. This “faithful and discrete slave” IS NOT SEALED! And there is nothing in the bible to suggest we worship these men, to replace Jesus and Jehovah!

Therefore we cannot be apart of what we see as obvious and unabashed "idol worship of men."

The Nation of Israel did not stop being “God’s People” until they rejected his messiah and had Jesus killed. So I know Jehovah’s Witnesses are still God’s people.

Likewise we do not believe that this is not or has stopped being “God people.” We will just wait on God to discipline his organization, which to us is obviously going to happen!


I will probably refine some of this...but I am going to have to send something and soon...
good of you! 1677734091229.png A big step that requires courage; 1677734056383.png If I may make a suggestion? Don't let the anger/frustration get the better of you; let the entire letter rest for a few days, read it again and only when you are satisfied with what you want to convey, send it
 
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robins

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I appreciated that you only focused on the covid issue- other letter drafts have gotten murky by being off-point, but I really appreciate how you prioritized pleasing and waiting on Jehovah. Any elder reading this should recognize your sincerity. I agree with letting it rest for a day or to and revisiting to tweak a tone that is loving yet true to your views.
 

PJ54

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Do what you have to do, just make sure to pray over it since you'll want to make sure it isn't something to regret. When I read the post, an article Robert posted last September came to mind. Might be worth the rehash! In the end however, as long as your conscience is clear then that's what counts!
 

A B

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Consequently, during the first wave (from April to June 2020), cremation records detected a 16.9% increase (95% CI 14.6%-19.3%) in all-cause mortality, a finding that was confirmed several months later with cremation data.
 
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goldie

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Do what you have to do, just make sure to pray over it since you'll want to make sure it isn't something to regret. When I read the post, an article Robert posted last September came to mind. Might be worth the rehash! In the end however, as long as your conscience is clear then that's what counts!
Pj54 do you still attend the meetings?
 

goldie

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I think the reason why so many are stressed like nomex is because it's hard to live a lie. What I mean is, it's hard to go along with what's being said at congregation meetings if you disagree with what's being taught. The 1914 teaching, gb's wrong direction, idol worship of gb, vaccine, etc etc etc and having to make believe you're in agreement with all of this is stressful, it's going against our own beliefs and we are being instructed to accept and preach it. That's stressful.
 

jay

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I think the reason why so many are stressed like nomex is because it's hard to live a lie. What I mean is, it's hard to go along with what's being said at congregation meetings if you disagree with what's being taught. The 1914 teaching, gb's wrong direction, idol worship of gb, vaccine, etc etc etc and having to make believe you're in agreement with all of this is stressful, it's going against our own beliefs and we are being instructed to accept and preach it. That's stressful.
Goldie, you're in charge, don't do it. Same with everyone on here, just stop. Jehovah our Heavenly Father wants us to be joyful, at peace, the rest is from Satan.
 

PJ54

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Pj54 do you still attend the meetings?
No unfortunately. My life went down the gutter with my family situation at home as well letting fear and doubts plague my mind. It's a challenge trying to get everything back in order. I do talk to some of the friends outside of the meetings & often that means listening to their concerns. One thing they appreciate is mentioning Daniel 11:32 since it helps put things in perspective on what's going on in the Org.
 

goldie

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No unfortunately. My life went down the gutter with my family situation at home as well letting fear and doubts plague my mind. It's a challenge trying to get everything back in order. I do talk to some of the friends outside of the meetings & often that means listening to their concerns. One thing they appreciate is mentioning Daniel 11:32 since it helps put things in perspective on what's going on in the Org.
I'm sorry to hear about your family life, everything seems to be a struggle anymore but hopefully you'll get it all straightened out soon. I do appreciate all your hard work on this forum digging up articles for different ones and posting it's very helpful thank you very much for all you do.
 

Watchman

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If you want my input---scrap the letter. Don't confuse your unresolved personal issues with the bigger issues between Jehovah and Satan. Your elders are in no position to independently determine what is true and what is false anyway. They are appointed by the WT to uphold whatever the Governing Body says is true. By default, you will be marked as an enemy of the GB, which they equate with Jehovah. Unless, of course, you want to be tossed out as an apostate.

Might I suggest presenting your elders with a copy of the Second Coming of Christ brochure and humbly asking them to consider and clarify some points? Present it, not as a challenge to them, but to help you to bolster your faith because you have your doubts about Christ having supposedly set everything straight back in 1914.
 

Soul Sage

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I don't think you have to stress yourself out and send them that. What you need is peace of mind. Sending that letter might cause more drama in your life. Do something spiritual everyday, like reading or studying something about the Bible you want to understand better. Most importantly don't stress yourself out. Or you can decide to move somewhere else, doesn't have to be far away but so you can claim that you moved and are out of their reach now. And then take some time and see how things go. I believe many of the GB are going to be replaced soon. We are already starting to see it happen.
 

PJ54

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No unfortunately. My life went down the gutter with my family situation at home as well letting fear and doubts plague my mind. It's a challenge trying to get everything back in order. I do talk to some of the friends outside of the meetings & often that means listening to their concerns. One thing they appreciate is mentioning Daniel 11:32 since it helps put things in perspective on what's going on in the Org.
It's the least I can do since I haven't done much in the Org (preaching isn't my strongest attribute).
 

PJ54

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If you want my input---scrap the letter. Don't confuse your unresolved personal issues with the bigger issues between Jehovah and Satan. Your elders are in no position to independently determine what is true and what is false anyway. They are appointed by the WT to uphold whatever the Governing Body says is true. By default, you will be marked as an enemy of the GB, which they equate with Jehovah. Unless, of course, you want to be tossed out as an apostate.

Might I suggest presenting your elders with a copy of the Second Coming of Christ brochure and humbly asking them to consider and clarify some points? Present it, not as a challenge to them, but to help you to bolster your faith because you have your doubts about Christ having supposedly set everything straight back in 1914.
Something I wanted to mention is the elders might ask on how the brochure was obtained. It's possible that the discussion could be shut down & not even considered depending on who is spoken to.
 
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