It's the fault of the UNVACCINATED

Doesn't mater to me, I wasn't there and it doesn't affect my faith in the slightest. I'm just not an absolutist about things I can't confirm 100%. The father of NASA, Wernher Von Braun, has this on his headstone... Psalm 19:1 "The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handwork." Was he giving us a clue about NASA lies like Stanley Kubrick? Who knows and at this point, who cares.
When I was new, I asked an elder about space aliens and this is all he had to say. If there are other planets that are inhabited by a different or like species, they won't be allowed to contact us until the issue of God's sovereignty is resolved.
One could reason that angels and demons are alien life forms but, they aren't unknown to us. The bible informs us of their existence.
As you say, none of this changes the truth that we were created, and within a time frame that allowed for us to thrive. People who try to explain evolution or anything else on the edge are wasting good air better spent on things that matter. Like salvation.
 
I must protest the 6,000 year old argument while I'd disagree with young earth creationism anyone is free to that opinion my opposition is more based on Bible chronology 6,000 years is based on masoretic manuscript timeline that had many generations intentionally modified and 1 outright deleted by jews for no other reason than to undermine some of the arguments supporting Jesus as the greater Melchizadek in the letter to the Hebrews. Rather going by LXX (some manuscripts of Luke support this) Adam was created at about 5500 b.c. give or take a few years. They are still messing with the timeline to this day support is growing for a timeline where Adam was created several hundred years more recently than the masoretic timeline even further compressing things to where the issues of this agenda are more obvious.
 
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When I was new, I asked an elder about space aliens and this is all he had to say. If there are other planets that are inhabited by a different or like species, they won't be allowed to contact us until the issue of God's sovereignty is resolved.
One could reason that angels and demons are alien life forms but, they aren't unknown to us. The bible informs us of their existence.
As you say, none of this changes the truth that we were created, and within a time frame that allowed for us to thrive. People who try to explain evolution or anything else on the edge are wasting good air better spent on things that matter. Like salvation.

I go along with the idea that any being not of this earth is alien including those from the spirit dimension. Even Paul said their ( faithful anointed )
citizenship is in heaven and Peter said that they're temporary residence.( aliens ) prehaps. Php 3:20, 1 Pet 1:17. 2:11 Beings from another planet? I'll pass on that one. not that anyone here is suggesting that. Still what do I know.
 
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Can't be anything too bad right Just one of those things. It is not like there is a silly old vax that could be causing these strange out of the blue happenings it happens every day right. Nah sall good not much to see here .prehaps.
 
When I was new, I asked an elder about space aliens and this is all he had to say. If there are other planets that are inhabited by a different or like species, they won't be allowed to contact us until the issue of God's sovereignty is resolved.
"Aliens" as in extraterrestrials that are like us but living in other planets are simply a demonic lie. Because if it exists then you have to make silly arguments again. The brother I studied was very logical and since I didn't believe it but my brother did I asked the question he said "then you have to say they would need to have different form of Jesus coming in to save them".

Multiple Jesus? Or that Jehovah is not the Universe's only God and he's responsible just for our Solar System? Or that some planets succeeded and some failed and they couldn't come and just tell us? Does that mean the ridiculous state of Earth needing "salvation" will need to happen again in the future when offspring of perfect humans disobey? When the earth reaches the original paradise condition again, we will likely be the ones that visit other planets and the original Earth would be "Alien".

ET's make perfect decoy for Satan as so many people believe in it as the thing that the government hides from us. 300 years ago they wouldn't have since technology as of today did not exist. So now that everyone would be aware of what a demon would be, they disguise as ETs.

I did some reading about that topic and they said during so-called alien abductions if you ask Jesus to save you, then it stops instantly. Demons.
 
What a clown world. I had a heated argument with my JW Dad saying I was a conspiracy theorist when I mentioned about the history of Russia vs UK. I am the one that convinced him to be active again when I started studying and he was inactive for a few years. Sigh.

I know this is a lose/lose situation. If people find out the truth, then I bet some people are going to be shocked to the point of possibly having a heart attack. If the deception really comes to the GB misleading them and needing correction I can see my parents being seriously depressed to the point of affecting their health. But the alternative is being deceived forever. No winning.
 
I did some reading about that topic and they said during so-called alien abductions if you ask Jesus to save you, then it stops instantly. Demons.
I don't add any inclination to that. My assumption was that if there were alien life (to satisfy the people who demand that conversation) that this issue of the sovereignty of God must be resolved first here on Earth before anything else can happen. This issue has taken thousands of years of our time and while that is longer than five lifetimes to us it is still but a day to God. I don't mind if there are other life forms who didn't sin elsewhere in the universe but, they will be kept away from this fight until Jehovah has eliminated our enemy and restored life. That is what I believe. I struggle to put it in that few words but there it is. Anything else we are seeing or experiencing is from the demon world. Their time is short and they know it.
 
To me the original article in this post blaming the unvaccinated was merely satire that an unvaccinated person put out towards the vaccinated for the unjust treatment through the past two years. I haven’t read much of this thread, so perhaps it was already covered, but certainly this was not an actual stance somebody would take. Or it was a gaslighting piece designed to cause division between the two groups, vaxed and unvaxed. That, to me, is just as likely considering the world we live in. Either way its nonsense…but a tad humorous which leads me to believe the satire perspective is more probable.
 
Not sure how gravity works for the flat earthers; I would think they would have floated off by now.

It works the same for them too. If you and the FE er are standing on the street and drops your phone. I don't think the FE er's phone will float away while yours hits the ground. We don't know enough about Jehovah's creation to say the planet must be spherical for so-called gravity to exist.

Come to think of it the flat people might have a different explain for gravity. Amusing.
I know of at least one man who would argue that most physicist's are flat earthers in hiding.
 
Carl…c’mon man. but ok, I’ll bite. How do you KNOW the pictures of earth are computer generated and not real? Do you believe in satellites?
Carl may mean they are composite pictures. Sometimes they are but sometimes they are shots from high orbit or even probes leaving the earth. There are even pictures from...dare I say it...the moon. I gave the "flat earth" people their 15 minutes of fame and concluded that they were wholly incorrect for very many reasons that I won't go into. Same with those that say we didn't land on the moon. There is plenty of evidence we did but I'm not here to argue about it. People are free to believe what they want...

And I agree with you about the article Cristo, it's just not genuine.

Come to think of it the flat people might have a different explain for gravity.
Look up the electric universe. I don't subscribe to that either but what ever floats one's boat.
 
Carl…c’mon man. but ok, I’ll bite. How do you KNOW the pictures of earth are computer generated and not real? Do you believe in satellites?
Hey Cristo... first off, I don't believe the Earth is flat as I've mentioned before. I just don't believe NASA's lies. I also don't believe there are trillions and trillions of stars, since this goes against the Bible narrative about the Earth's age. I'm a black & white kind of person; I don't believe Jehovah created trillions and trillion of empty planets billions of years ago, knowing He would create mankind only 6,000 years ago. It doesn't make sense to me. So when I think logically about creation, and compare it to how powerful Jehovah is, I conclude He could have, and probably did, create the Earth ~6,000 years ago. He can speak anything into existence at any time, so it doesn't make sense that He would create the vast, lifeless Universe for billions of years. Could He have? Sure, I just don't think that's what He did.

About our atmosphere... I don't believe we're being told the truth. I believe the Bible tells us there's water above and below. Some of that water came down during the deluge, but I don't believe all of it did. I don't think the Sun revolves around us, but that too could be a lie. If there's a thousand+ mile thick layer of water vapor surrounding us, then just beyond that could be the stars and planets... they may appear further away due to the effects of this water canopy. I don't know how this would work, and frankly it's not something I concern myself with these days. I leave it in Jehovah's Hands. If I'm completely wrong, so be it... I'll accept correction.

What I do know is that NASA lies, and I don't believe their lies about going to the Moon. I've studied this topic in great depth, and have come to the conclusion it was a hoax meant to bankrupt the Soviet Union. This lie is their biggest, which is the foundation of all their other lies. Satan controls the WHOLE Earth, meaning he controls NASA. Most people believe there are trillions and trillions of stars and planets, and for most of them this makes them feel small, turning many to Atheism. I do believe there are thousands of satellites flying in Earth's orbit, since our atmosphere is thousands of miles thick... probably thicker than NASA admits. Scientists still don't fully understand how gravity works, so I don't dispute men have gone into orbit in a near weightless environment as they circle the Earth.

I just don't believe anything from Satan's system anymore. That doesn't mean everything is a lie though. Big Pharma/Medicine have some benefits, but they're killing way more than they're saving. By not placing ANY trust in Satan's system, I feel I'm preparing myself to guard against any temptations Satan may try to trick us with. Mankind is wicked and fallen, and any idolization of man or mankind's achievements is a sin. If I'm wrong and we went to space, it wasn't because Jehovah wanted us there. No, most of the achievements of mankind are from Satan, and are meant to further his NWO ambitions. Jehovah gave us healing power in our plants, but Satan perverted them to make harmful medications. He's done the same with everything else. Maybe the Amish are on to something? lol If we went to the Moon, it sure wasn't to glorify Jehovah!
 
Hey Cristo... first off, I don't believe the Earth is flat as I've mentioned before. I just don't believe NASA's lies. I also don't believe there are trillions and trillions of stars, since this goes against the Bible narrative about the Earth's age. I'm a black & white kind of person; I don't believe Jehovah created trillions and trillion of empty planets billions of years ago, knowing He would create mankind only 6,000 years ago. It doesn't make sense to me. So when I think logically about creation, and compare it to how powerful Jehovah is, I conclude He could have, and probably did, create the Earth ~6,000 years ago. He can speak anything into existence at any time, so it doesn't make sense that He would create the vast, lifeless Universe for billions of years. Could He have? Sure, I just don't think that's what He did.

About our atmosphere... I don't believe we're being told the truth. I believe the Bible tells us there's water above and below. Some of that water came down during the deluge, but I don't believe all of it did. I don't think the Sun revolves around us, but that too could be a lie. If there's a thousand+ mile thick layer of water vapor surrounding us, then just beyond that could be the stars and planets... they may appear further away due to the effects of this water canopy. I don't know how this would work, and frankly it's not something I concern myself with these days. I leave it in Jehovah's Hands. If I'm completely wrong, so be it... I'll accept correction.

What I do know is that NASA lies, and I don't believe their lies about going to the Moon. I've studied this topic in great depth, and have come to the conclusion it was a hoax meant to bankrupt the Soviet Union. This lie is their biggest, which is the foundation of all their other lies. Satan controls the WHOLE Earth, meaning he controls NASA. Most people believe there are trillions and trillions of stars and planets, and for most of them this makes them feel small, turning many to Atheism. I do believe there are thousands of satellites flying in Earth's orbit, since our atmosphere is thousands of miles thick... probably thicker than NASA admits. Scientists still don't fully understand how gravity works, so I don't dispute men have gone into orbit in a near weightless environment as they circle the Earth.

I just don't believe anything from Satan's system anymore. That doesn't mean everything is a lie though. Big Pharma/Medicine have some benefits, but they're killing way more than they're saving. By not placing ANY trust in Satan's system, I feel I'm preparing myself to guard against any temptations Satan may try to trick us with. Mankind is wicked and fallen, and any idolization of man or mankind's achievements is a sin. If I'm wrong and we went to space, it wasn't because Jehovah wanted us there. No, most of the achievements of mankind are from Satan, and are meant to further his NWO ambitions. Jehovah gave us healing power in our plants, but Satan perverted them to make harmful medications. He's done the same with everything else. Maybe the Amish are on to something? lol If we went to the Moon, it sure wasn't to glorify Jehovah!
Unless you are anointed Brother Carl, when we sit around the campfire and talk-story about all our ideas of the old days, we are going to laugh heartily about your beliefs, at least some of them. I know I am now anyway. Thank you for sharing and God love ya Brother!
 
Hey Cristo... first off, I don't believe the Earth is flat as I've mentioned before. I just don't believe NASA's lies. I also don't believe there are trillions and trillions of stars, since this goes against the Bible narrative about the Earth's age. I'm a black & white kind of person; I don't believe Jehovah created trillions and trillion of empty planets billions of years ago, knowing He would create mankind only 6,000 years ago. It doesn't make sense to me. So when I think logically about creation, and compare it to how powerful Jehovah is, I conclude He could have, and probably did, create the Earth ~6,000 years ago. He can speak anything into existence at any time, so it doesn't make sense that He would create the vast, lifeless Universe for billions of years. Could He have? Sure, I just don't think that's what He did.

About our atmosphere... I don't believe we're being told the truth. I believe the Bible tells us there's water above and below. Some of that water came down during the deluge, but I don't believe all of it did. I don't think the Sun revolves around us, but that too could be a lie. If there's a thousand+ mile thick layer of water vapor surrounding us, then just beyond that could be the stars and planets... they may appear further away due to the effects of this water canopy. I don't know how this would work, and frankly it's not something I concern myself with these days. I leave it in Jehovah's Hands. If I'm completely wrong, so be it... I'll accept correction.

What I do know is that NASA lies, and I don't believe their lies about going to the Moon. I've studied this topic in great depth, and have come to the conclusion it was a hoax meant to bankrupt the Soviet Union. This lie is their biggest, which is the foundation of all their other lies. Satan controls the WHOLE Earth, meaning he controls NASA. Most people believe there are trillions and trillions of stars and planets, and for most of them this makes them feel small, turning many to Atheism. I do believe there are thousands of satellites flying in Earth's orbit, since our atmosphere is thousands of miles thick... probably thicker than NASA admits. Scientists still don't fully understand how gravity works, so I don't dispute men have gone into orbit in a near weightless environment as they circle the Earth.

I just don't believe anything from Satan's system anymore. That doesn't mean everything is a lie though. Big Pharma/Medicine have some benefits, but they're killing way more than they're saving. By not placing ANY trust in Satan's system, I feel I'm preparing myself to guard against any temptations Satan may try to trick us with. Mankind is wicked and fallen, and any idolization of man or mankind's achievements is a sin. If I'm wrong and we went to space, it wasn't because Jehovah wanted us there. No, most of the achievements of mankind are from Satan, and are meant to further his NWO ambitions. Jehovah gave us healing power in our plants, but Satan perverted them to make harmful medications. He's done the same with everything else. Maybe the Amish are on to something? lol If we went to the Moon, it sure wasn't to glorify Jehovah!

Hi

I can certainly understand your skepticism. I too do not believe the moon landings actually occurred. I'll leave it at that. Regarding the creative account in Genesis and the timeframe in which it took place, you are basing your understanding off of the 1 day equals a thousand years in the scriptures I take it.

Not sure if you have ever seen the following photo taken by the Hubble telescope from space. To get a perspective of this photograph and the size of the universe it encompasses try to imagine this. Take a dime and hold it in between your thumb and forefinger and reach your arm out and look to the sky. This photograph takes the area of a dime in circumference, and gives us a picture with thousands of galaxies within it. Each little dot is a galaxy no matter how faint it is. Now imagine how many dimes you can hold around your body to complete a sphere. Now consider this, all the stars you see in the night sky are IN our galaxy. When you consider the sheer magnitude that this picture relates to us as far as the scale of the universe, it is easy to see how trillions of stars are possible within it. I don't think it happened billions of years ago either, however the fact is we simply do not know how long each of the creative days were.

If you don't believe this picture is accurate, or is somehow altered or created to deceive, then I suppose there isn't much more to say. However, Jehovahs creation is most certainly marvelous, on that we can both agree.


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If you don't believe this picture is accurate, or is somehow altered or created to deceive, then I suppose there isn't much more to say. However, Jehovahs creation is most certainly marvelous, on that we can both agree.
I think all the photos are altered. There's no way to prove it either way, so we have to trust NASA at their word. NASA's logo contains the forked tongue of the serpent. They love to display their wickedness for all to see. Some people have gone into depth analyzing their logo, as well as linking them to secret societies... especially Freemasonry. I don't pick and choose what to believe in the Bible, just as I don't pick and choose what to believe from Satan's system. All world leaders are serving Satan in one form or another, which explains why they don't come clean about these lies. I acknowledge that not everything they tell us is a lie, but again... in the absence of verifiable facts, I use my reasoning skills to determine what I believe to be truth or lie. Some insiders have blown the whistle, but nothing happens since Satan controls the media, the courts, politics... so few try anymore.

I've heard a few interesting explanations for what we see at night. One is that we're seeing a hologram projected into the sky. I don't believe this to be the case, as it would require heavy duty technology. Another possible explanation is that the "stars and galaxies" remain fixed inside a water firmament that's suspended in space surrounding the Earth... and the Sun, Moon and planets are outside of it. I believe all the stars we see are reflections or light emitting bodies from the Kuiper Belt, which is just outside our solar system. I'm content to wait until Jehovah reveals the truth. I just don't believe the Earth is billions of years old. Seeing that carbon dating is a fraud, as is the dating of rocks and dinosaur bones, I don't think Jehovah made the Universe billions of years ago. Either He created the Universe billions of years ago and left it unpopulated for 99.99% of that time, or it's 6-10,000 years old... can't be both. If it's the latter, then it'd be impossible for light to reach us right now if those stars are millions of light years away as they claim.


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Why wouldn't God want an intelligent creation he granted reproduction to spread across countless worlds. Merely from an entertainment perspective wouldn't it be more stimulating for him to have relationships with inhabitants of myriad galaxies than one planet alone many years from now. Much as im inclined to disagree I mostly don't mind young earth mindset my mainissue with it is that most Jews and Christians in the ancient world believed that the angels were made some point in the first four days of Genesis 1. Whether one takes them as literal days or a thousand years rather than eras of indeterminate length it wouldn't seem right for the angels to be so close in age. Could you imagine Adam only 3-5 days younger than the angels? Of course this isn't an issue if they predated our universe.
 
Why wouldn't God want an intelligent creation he granted reproduction to spread across countless worlds. Merely from an entertainment perspective wouldn't it be more stimulating for him to have relationships with inhabitants of myriad galaxies than one planet alone many years from now. Much as im inclined to disagree I mostly don't mind young earth mindset my mainissue with it is that most Jews and Christians in the ancient world believed that the angels were made some point in the first four days of Genesis 1. Whether one takes them as literal days or a thousand years rather than eras of indeterminate length it wouldn't seem right for the angels to be so close in age. Could you imagine Adam only 3-5 days younger than the angels? Of course this isn't an issue if they predated our universe.
Since space in infinite, I do believe Jehovah will create an infinite number of planets for us to inhabit. Has He already created them? Maybe... but the current model of space doesn't make sense to me. Maybe we'll be able to visit loved ones on other planets simply by using Jehovah's HS. Maybe we'll communicate with our minds using the HS. With an infinite lifespan and infinite friends to visit, you and I could go 50 million years without seeing one another and then all of a sudden we both think about hanging out and one of us will reach out to the other... "Hey GP, what are you up to? Come on over for dinner and meet my millionth kid." lol The moment we're hanging out all previous memories we shared would instantly pop into our brains as if we had just hung out the day before.
 
Carl may mean they are composite pictures. Sometimes they are but sometimes they are shots from high orbit or even probes leaving the earth. There are even pictures from...dare I say it...the moon. I gave the "flat earth" people their 15 minutes of fame and concluded that they were wholly incorrect for very many reasons that I won't go into. Same with those that say we didn't land on the moon. There is plenty of evidence we did but I'm not here to argue about it. People are free to believe what they want...

And I agree with you about the article Cristo, it's just not genuine.


Look up the electric universe. I don't subscribe to that either but what ever floats one's boat.

Float being the operative word. Wouldn't want to be in the wrong boat.
 
Carl, I find it quite difficult to believe that everything we see is a lie regarding space, and then to call into question things that are scientifically able to be demonstrated or proved. You mentioned in the other post about the laws of the universe. If we follow your skepticism it ultimately leads to a complete denial of any truth that presents itself. Do you question the speed of light for example, or the spectrum of light that is created by focusing light through a prism? There is a vast difference between true science and the pseudoscience that is being propagated today by those who are trying to destroy true science.

We are all victims of misinformation, and disinformation, that are designed to deceive and sway us from truths, some more than others. Flat earth, UFO's, Sasquatch,etc, etc, etc, are all psyops designed to make the population question the reality of what Jehovah created. Once you give into the possibility that any of these things are true, and accept them as possible, you now become open to any argument against the truth. It seems you have fallen into this line of reasoning. I would suggest to do more research into things that can be proven. For example, how do we KNOW how far stars are from the earth?

You could be right, NASA could be a satanic front designed to mislead us, but there are thousands of other credible scientists, who happen to believe in creation, that can corroborate much of what NASA brings forth. Please, please, please do more research.


Another possible explanation is that the "stars and galaxies" remain fixed inside a water firmament that's suspended in space surrounding the Earth... and the Sun, Moon and planets are outside of it.
I'm not sure where you are getting your 'possible explanations' of the universe, but it doesn't sound like it is from credible sources. Just my opinion. Pictures of space have been around for over a hundred years, well before any of these pseudoscientific theories existed. Many well before NASA even existed. Are those also altered to deceive? I'm not trying to attack you, or your ideas, just merely offering potential perspectives you may not have considered yet.

Who knows, maybe we are just all living in a simulation by some unknown entity. Thats the latest one I've heard...
 
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