Keep following Jehovah's guidance (Study article for May 5)

[TheTraveller]

Is it only me who finds this article disturbing?

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2024285

Before covid I would have probably not even noticed anything, but remembering David Splane explaining vaccines are from Jehovah and we should follow the direction of the GB, I cannot resist feeling a cringe.

This article insists that we should not even question any direction from the GB. Like are they gods now? I mean in the Bible there are countless examples for people who disobeyed the order from a Jehovah's appointed one and they were right - think of Uriah the Hittite being given order from David.

I don't know. I struggle. I am still a PIMO, but articles like this are tough to read.

 

[a watcher]

The GBs vaccine coercion destroyed most of their credibility, but my faith doesn't depend on them. It depends on Jehovah, Jesus, and getting the preaching work done.

 

[evw]

Is it only me who finds this article disturbing?

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2024285

Before covid I would have probably not even noticed anything, but remembering David Splane explaining vaccines are from Jehovah and we should follow the direction of the GB, I cannot resist feeling a cringe.

This article insists that we should not even question any direction from the GB. Like are they gods now? I mean in the Bible there are countless examples for people who disobeyed the order from a Jehovah's appointed one and they were right - think of Uriah the Hittite being given order from David.

I don't know. I struggle. I am still a PIMO, but articles like this are tough to read.

For many here it has been a battle: Loyalty to the GB or Loyalty to Jehovah. It is a choice that everyone faces, now or later. Remember what Jehovah has written in Psalm 146:3 - 'Do not put your trust in princes Nor in a son of man, who cannot bring salvation.' But what then? Jehovah also has an answer to this through Jesus in Matthew 7:7, 8 - 'Keep on asking, and it will be given you; keep on seeking, and you will find; keep on knocking, and it will be opened to you; for everyone asking receives, and everyone seeking finds, and to everyone knocking, it will be opened.' Have you ever read Br. King book? Read 'Jehovah self has become King', you will find many eye-opening answers to your questions and then it will be easier to make the right choice for you. On this site there is a thread called Book review and that discusses the book per chapter. Try it and you will see that with Jehovah's help you will get where you need to be and you will be fine.

 

[Innocent as Doves]

Is it only me who finds this article disturbing?

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2024285

Before covid I would have probably not even noticed anything, but remembering David Splane explaining vaccines are from Jehovah and we should follow the direction of the GB, I cannot resist feeling a cringe.

This article insists that we should not even question any direction from the GB. Like are they gods now? I mean in the Bible there are countless examples for people who disobeyed the order from a Jehovah's appointed one and they were right - think of Uriah the Hittite being given order from David.

I don't know. I struggle. I am still a PIMO, but articles like this are tough to read.

Covid woke up alot of us that are here now. As @evw directed us above:

Jehovah also has an answer to this through Jesus in Matthew 7:7, 8 - 'Keep on asking, and it will be given you; keep on seeking, and you will find; keep on knocking, and it will be opened to you; for everyone asking receives, and everyone seeking finds, and to everyone knocking, it will be opened.'

I think only those that have done this are the ones who are seeing the deceit in the Watchtower's teachings.

 

[Watchman]

By way of a reminder, I do not dispute the Watchtower's claim of being Jehovah's organization. Neither do I deny that God has used the organization to accomplish his work. Everything I have ever published is based upon the fact that Christ has a functioning congregation leading up to his return. However, here's the kicker: when Christ arrives like a thief in the night, the Watchtower will no longer be Jehovah's earthly organization. Then, let the man on the rooftop not come down to collect his Watchtower bound volumes.

 

[Innocent as Doves]

By way of a reminder, I do not dispute the Watchtower's claim of being Jehovah's organization. Neither do I deny that God has used the organization to accomplish his work. Everything I have ever published is based upon the fact that Christ has a functioning congregation leading up to his return. However, here's the kicker: when Christ arrives like a thief in the night, the Watchtower will no longer be Jehovah's earthly organization. Then, let the man on the rooftop not come down to collect his Watchtower bound volumes.

So is it wrong for us to say that, at least NOW, compared to previous years, the WT is putting out deceptive study articles, such as the one that was studied today? It had a PICTURE of the 9 men on the GB, right under a picture of Jehovah's prophets and kings and also of the apostles. I do not see how they can claim they were 'appointed' by Jehovah. How do we cope with hearing these outright lies? Serious question. How do we cope?

 

[J&P]

By way of a reminder, I do not dispute the Watchtower's claim of being Jehovah's organization. Neither do I deny that God has used the organization to accomplish his work. Everything I have ever published is based upon the fact that Christ has a functioning congregation leading up to his return. However, here's the kicker: when Christ arrives like a thief in the night, the Watchtower will no longer be Jehovah's earthly organization. Then, let the man on the rooftop not come down to collect his Watchtower bound volumes.

Just so everyone knows, we made the point made above by Watchman clear in our letter. Below is an excerpt from our letter.

"We believe the organization that we refer to as “the truth” has without question been used by Jehovah to accomplish his purpose: Below is just a sampling of those truths that have been made known:

*Made God’s name known.

*Proclaim God’s purpose for the earth.

*Debunk Christendom’s false teachings (Trinity, hellfire, immortality of soul, etc.)

*Become a gathering place for the anointed of Christ’s brothers.

So that you don’t make a hasty decision to quit reading the rest of the letter, let us assure you that we are convinced that this is God’s organization. However, it does not mean it will be exempt from God’s judgment. That being said, think about this. How many times in Bible history has the leadership of God’s organized, dedicated people stayed the course and remained faithful? The answer is ZERO. So, would it be unreasonable to think that it would be any different with Jehovah’s modern-day organization? Don’t be quick to hastily read past this. Please, give it serious thought."

 

[Watchman]

So is it wrong for us to say that, at least NOW, compared to previous years, the WT is putting out deceptive study articles, such as the one that was studied today? It had a PICTURE of the 9 men on the GB, right under a picture of Jehovah's prophets and kings and also of the apostles. I do not see how they can claim they were 'appointed' by Jehovah. How do we cope with hearing these outright lies? Serious question. How do we cope?

Jesus once advised his apostles and disciples to obey the Pharisees, even though Jesus denounced them as hypocrites and offspring of vipers. However, that advice only applied to the period before the disciples were anointed. After that, they were not under the authority of the Pharisees. The same will be true when Christ comes. Paragraph 18 states:

No doubt Jehovah will continue to use human representatives to provide guidance during the great tribulation and on into the Thousand Year Reign.

This is the big lie. JWs are expected to assume that the Watchtower will stay intact and issue life-saving instructions. Not gonna happen. The Watchtower is going to be discredited beyond repair. The human representatives that God will use will be the sealed chosen ones who will then shine as brightly as the sun in the Kingdom of Jehovah.

 

[Ms_ladyblue]

Is it only me who finds this article disturbing?

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2024285

Before covid I would have probably not even noticed anything, but remembering David Splane explaining vaccines are from Jehovah and we should follow the direction of the GB, I cannot resist feeling a cringe.

This article insists that we should not even question any direction from the GB. Like are they gods now? I mean in the Bible there are countless examples for people who disobeyed the order from a Jehovah's appointed one and they were right - think of Uriah the Hittite being given order from David.

I don't know. I struggle. I am still a PIMO, but articles like this are tough to read.

You’re right. It’s definitely disturbing and for good reason. It’s playing Jehovah’s role down to subordinate rather than our primary leader. Even where Jesus is concerned…as he is rarely mentioned anymore. But they’ll be taking him out of the box in a little while for the Memorial. Then it’s back to worshipping the idol again.

To help you understand what’s going on read 2 Thessalonians 2:1-12. You may already have and know that what WT is doing is fulfilling Bible prophecy. Also Robert has a few articles on the subject.

Although we begin to come into focus more of this reality it’s still not easy knowing what’s happening.

 

[Ms_ladyblue]

Jesus once advised his apostles and disciples to obey the Pharisees, even though Jesus denounced them as hypocrites and offspring of vipers. However, that advice only applied to the period before the disciples were anointed. After that, they were not under the authority of the Pharisees. The same will be true when Christ comes. Paragraph 18 states:

I am glad you cleared that up for me as well. I wondered about Jesus’s words’ about obeying what they say but not to do what they do. This makes sense more sense.

 

[PJ54]

This is the big lie. JWs are expected to assume that the Watchtower will stay intact and issue life-saving instructions. Not gonna happen. The Watchtower is going to be discredited beyond repair. The human representatives that God will use will be the sealed chosen ones who will then shine as brightly as the sun in the Kingdom of Jehovah.

This has me wondering about the scripture in regards to those taking the lead. While Jesus did say to obey the Pharisees in word & not in deed, how with this verse apply? Is it in regards to the time of the end or something else?

Verse in question:

(Hebrews 13:17) 17 Be obedient to those who are taking the lead among you and be submissive, for they are keeping watch over you as those who will render an account, so that they may do this with joy and not with sighing, for this would be damaging to you.

 

[Shiloh]

Is it only me who finds this article disturbing?

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2024285

Before covid I would have probably not even noticed anything, but remembering David Splane explaining vaccines are from Jehovah and we should follow the direction of the GB, I cannot resist feeling a cringe.

This article insists that we should not even question any direction from the GB. Like are they gods now? I mean in the Bible there are countless examples for people who disobeyed the order from a Jehovah's appointed one and they were right - think of Uriah the Hittite being given order from David.

I don't know. I struggle. I am still a PIMO, but articles like this are tough to read.

I could only read through about half the article. Talk about putting themselves in the seat of Moses. Their direction during Covid was blind and dangerous to one's physical health, not to mention spiritual health. So far they are not humble and are not prone to accepting corrective counsel, they will never apologize for giving wrong direction. They will have to answer to Jehovah for their sins/misdirection & outright blasphemy. I feel sad for those who put their faith and trust in their direction during covid.

 

[Innocent as Doves]

here's the kicker: when Christ arrives like a thief in the night, the Watchtower will no longer be Jehovah's earthly organization. Then, let the man on the rooftop not come down to collect his Watchtower bound volumes.

So UNTIL Christ returns.....how do we handle Jehovah's Earthly Organization? I am sickened by the idol worship and cannot preach falsehoods to my neighbors anymore. The elders will take notice when I am not at the KH anymore and not 'checking the box' on the FS report. I admire @J&P 's letter and am hoping to do the same...but in the meantime, my husband will not read anything that doesn't come from the WT org. Also, he has slacked off in his responsibility of keeping his 'household' (ME) spiritually fed. I feel like I'm between the proverbial 'Rock and a Hard Place'. I'm thinking things are speeding up quickly now....should I just see how long I can 'fly under the radar'....until Jesus return and then 'not come down to collect the WT bound volumes'? I really don't know what I should do and it is making me a nervous wreck.

 

[Ms_ladyblue]

I went back to read the article again and it was very hard to stomach through it. There are so many discrepancies. For example, even I for all my years in WT compared them to Moses as being the modern day representatives. However, as paragraph 4 points out: “

“Jehovah appointed Moses to lead the Israelites out of Egypt. And He gave the Israelites visible evidence that He was guiding them by means of Moses. For example, He provided a pillar of cloud by day and one of fire by night. (Ex. 13:21) Moses followed the pillar, which led him and the Israelites to the Red Sea. The people panicked when they thought that they were trapped between the sea and the pursuing Egyptian army. They concluded that Moses was mistaken in bringing them to the Red Sea. But it was no mistake. Jehovah had intentionally led his people there by means of Moses. (Ex. 14:2) God then delivered them in a most astonishing way.—Ex. 14:26-28.

So where is the “pillar of cloud by day and one of fire by night?” And although the people panicked when they thought they were trapped between the sea and the Egyptian army, that would’ve been a natural reaction as well. Also the scriptures do not say that they concluded Moses was mistaken in bringing them to the Red Sea. However, the scriptures do say this here at Exodus 14: 1-4
“Jehovah now said to Moses: 2 “Tell the Israelites that they should turn back and encamp before Pi·ha·hiʹroth, between Migʹdol and the sea, within view of Baʹal-zeʹphon. You are to encamp facing it by the sea. 3 Then Pharʹaoh will say about the Israelites, ‘They are wandering in confusion in the land. The wilderness has closed in on them.’ 4 I will allow Pharʹaoh’s heart to become obstinate, and he will chase after them, and I will glorify myself by means of Pharʹaoh and all his army; and the Egyptians will certainly know that I am Jehovah.” So that is what they did.”

As another forum member pointed out recently, Jehovah DID let Moses know what he was going to do and why. This organization has taken it upon themselves, NOT to represent Jehovah but to take his place instead. Like their words are carved in stone. What audacity!

 

[MickHewitt]

I went back to read the article again and it was very hard to stomach through it. There are so many discrepancies. For example, even I for all my years in WT compared them to Moses as being the modern day representatives. However, as paragraph 4 points out: “

“Jehovah appointed Moses to lead the Israelites out of Egypt. And He gave the Israelites visible evidence that He was guiding them by means of Moses. For example, He provided a pillar of cloud by day and one of fire by night. (Ex. 13:21) Moses followed the pillar, which led him and the Israelites to the Red Sea. The people panicked when they thought that they were trapped between the sea and the pursuing Egyptian army. They concluded that Moses was mistaken in bringing them to the Red Sea. But it was no mistake. Jehovah had intentionally led his people there by means of Moses. (Ex. 14:2) God then delivered them in a most astonishing way.—Ex. 14:26-28.

So where is the “pillar of cloud by day and one of fire by night?” And although the people panicked when they thought they were trapped between the sea and the Egyptian army, that would’ve been a natural reaction as well. Also the scriptures do not say that they concluded Moses was mistaken in bringing them to the Red Sea. However, the scriptures do say this here at Exodus 14: 1-4
“Jehovah now said to Moses: 2 “Tell the Israelites that they should turn back and encamp before Pi·ha·hiʹroth, between Migʹdol and the sea, within view of Baʹal-zeʹphon. You are to encamp facing it by the sea. 3 Then Pharʹaoh will say about the Israelites, ‘They are wandering in confusion in the land. The wilderness has closed in on them.’ 4 I will allow Pharʹaoh’s heart to become obstinate, and he will chase after them, and I will glorify myself by means of Pharʹaoh and all his army; and the Egyptians will certainly know that I am Jehovah.” So that is what they did.”

As another forum member pointed out recently, Jehovah DID let Moses know what he was going to do and why. This organization has taken it upon themselves to, NOT represent Jehovah but to take his place instead. Like their words are carved in stone. What audacity!

"Can you steal, murder, commit adultery, swear falsely and make sacrifices to Baal then come in and stand before me in this house that bears my Name and say 'we will be saved'? This house that bears my Name has become a cave of robbers: However go now to my place in Shiloh where I first caused my name to reside and see what I did to it because of the badness of my people Israel. But you keep doing all these things even though I spoke to you again and again, I kept calling but you did not listen. So I will do to the house that bears my Name in which you are trusting. I will throw you out of my sight. Jer7:9-15

 

[Watchman]

Jesus said the Pharisees had seated themselves in the seat of Moses. So, it is not surprising that the Governing Body has done the same thing. Only in the case of the man of lawlessness, he declares himself to be a god.

 

[J&P]

Is it only me who finds this article disturbing?

Before covid I would have probably not even noticed anything, but remembering David Splane explaining vaccines are from Jehovah and we should follow the direction of the GB, I cannot resist feeling a cringe.
I don't know. I struggle. I am still a PIMO, but articles like this are tough to read.

When I saw David Splane's finger point heavenward and indicate the direction was from Jehovah, a very audible spontaneous "GASP" came out of my mouth.
All I can say...it's a good thing we were on Zoom with our volume off.
Both my head and my husband's head snapped around as we looked at each other in amazement and for lack of a more restrained descriptive word.....disgust. (Phyllis)

 

[goldie]

I went back to read the article again and it was very hard to stomach through it. There are so many discrepancies. For example, even I for all my years in WT compared them to Moses as being the modern day representatives. However, as paragraph 4 points out: “

“Jehovah appointed Moses to lead the Israelites out of Egypt. And He gave the Israelites visible evidence that He was guiding them by means of Moses. For example, He provided a pillar of cloud by day and one of fire by night. (Ex. 13:21) Moses followed the pillar, which led him and the Israelites to the Red Sea. The people panicked when they thought that they were trapped between the sea and the pursuing Egyptian army. They concluded that Moses was mistaken in bringing them to the Red Sea. But it was no mistake. Jehovah had intentionally led his people there by means of Moses. (Ex. 14:2) God then delivered them in a most astonishing way.—Ex. 14:26-28.

So where is the “pillar of cloud by day and one of fire by night?” And although the people panicked when they thought they were trapped between the sea and the Egyptian army, that would’ve been a natural reaction as well. Also the scriptures do not say that they concluded Moses was mistaken in bringing them to the Red Sea. However, the scriptures do say this here at Exodus 14: 1-4
“Jehovah now said to Moses: 2 “Tell the Israelites that they should turn back and encamp before Pi·ha·hiʹroth, between Migʹdol and the sea, within view of Baʹal-zeʹphon. You are to encamp facing it by the sea. 3 Then Pharʹaoh will say about the Israelites, ‘They are wandering in confusion in the land. The wilderness has closed in on them.’ 4 I will allow Pharʹaoh’s heart to become obstinate, and he will chase after them, and I will glorify myself by means of Pharʹaoh and all his army; and the Egyptians will certainly know that I am Jehovah.” So that is what they did.”

As another forum member pointed out recently, Jehovah DID let Moses know what he was going to do and why. This organization has taken it upon themselves to, NOT to represent Jehovah but to take his place instead. Like their words are carved in stone. What audacity!

Hebrew 1
1 Long ago God spoke many times and in many ways to our ancestors through the prophets. 2 And now in these final days, he has spoken to us through his Son. God promised everything to the Son as an inheritance, and through the Son he created the universe.

Hmm don't see gb in this Scripture

 

[J&P]

Hebrew 1
1 Long ago God spoke many times and in many ways to our ancestors through the prophets. 2 And now in these final days, he has spoken to us through his Son. God promised everything to the Son as an inheritance, and through the Son he created the universe.

Hmm don't see gb in this Scripture

Go Girl. (Phyllis)

 

[Proverbs 14 v 15]

Is it only me who finds this article disturbing?

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2024285

Before covid I would have probably not even noticed anything, but remembering David Splane explaining vaccines are from Jehovah and we should follow the direction of the GB, I cannot resist feeling a cringe.

This article insists that we should not even question any direction from the GB. Like are they gods now? I mean in the Bible there are countless examples for people who disobeyed the order from a Jehovah's appointed one and they were right - think of Uriah the Hittite being given order from David.

I don't know. I struggle. I am still a PIMO, but articles like this are tough to read.

That's interesting.. my son came round after the meeting today and asked me what I thought of the Watchtower today. He's worried about me. He was absolutely taken in by today's Watchtower. I need to research Uriah the Hittite. Can you recommend anyone else for me to research please?