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The Ottoman Empire (Muhammad) As The 7th King, Defeating Rome.
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PJ54
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Found this:
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Ottoman Empire | Facts, History, & Map
Ottoman Empire, empire created by Turkish tribes that grew to be one of the most powerful states in the world in the 15th and 16th centuries. Its dynasty was founded by a prince (bey), Osman, after the Mongols defeated the Seljuqs at the end of the 13th century. The empire disintegrated after...
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It conquered rome I suppose this qualifies it to be the 7th king.Found this:
Ottoman Empire | Facts, History, & Map
Ottoman Empire, empire created by Turkish tribes that grew to be one of the most powerful states in the world in the 15th and 16th centuries. Its dynasty was founded by a prince (bey), Osman, after the Mongols defeated the Seljuqs at the end of the 13th century. The empire disintegrated after...
SkinnyAndShort
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That 7th head also gets a death stroke then revives, I don’t see that happening with the Ottoman Empire
You mean the conqueror of Rome wasn't to be counted as the 7th King?
Ottoman defeated the byzantine empire in 1453. WT say King of North is Russia and Allies, we see Turkey as an ally of Russia while being a NATO member. So seeing that it plays a role in both halfs whose to say this is not the trickery of its kingship manifesting in both sides.
Ottoman is Islamic. Islam spans as far as Saudi Arabia.
Roman Empire was 6th king. Anglo-American is #7
SkinnyAndShort
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Is it still in power the Ottoman Empire? If not, did it receive the death stroke then get revived? If it is still in power is it to be expecting the death stroke soon?
How is it that its #7 yet it did not conquer the 6th? Instead it conquered the conqueror of the 6th, which is the ottoman.
7th King was to remain a short while,that's why it's not in power. Meaning it received a death stroke and is now trying to revive itself by playing in both sides of the field to complete the 8th king as the beast that was but is not. So it will once again portray a complete picture of the beast with 7 heads.
PJ54
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England overthrew the Ottoman Empire in WWI.
It is not that simple. In the 7th chapter of Daniel there are only four beasts (Two having already come and gone) The fourth beast has ten horns representing the Roman Empire and all of its offshoots. The British inherited the Roman Empire through a series of developments, not least of which was breaking away from the Vatican and establishing the Anglican Church with the monarch as its head. But there were dozens of wars, 100 years war, 30 years war, Napoleonic wars, and colonial wars, through which the British Empire defeated its continental rivals.
Exactly, England conquered an empire that conquered Rome. Does this make it the 7th King?
PJ54
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It might be worth checking out some of the articles on the main site.
The Anglo-American Special Relationship
My question is regarding a verse in the book of Revelation. It is Revelation 17:10: How is it that the seventh king is said to “remain a little while,” yet the Anglo-American world power has been around for a while, hasn't it? Or was there an interruption between the 6th and 7th kings
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The Anglo-American dyad – the iron and the clay
This is Part Three of the series of commentaries on the July 2022 Watchtower. Under the subheading How the Enemies of God Will Come to Their End, paragraph nine states: 9. Read
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What about the eighth king of Revelation and the feet of iron and clay?
QUESTION: If the stone strikes the image upon its feet and toes during the time of the end, where in the stream of time does that leave the eighth king of Rev. 17:11? Is it possible that these two events mentioning differing numbers of kings/rulers could years or even centuries apart? I do
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The Eighth King
______________ “And the wild beast that was but is not, it is also itself an eighth king, but springs from the seven, and it goes off into destruction.” -Revelation 17:11-
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The simplest way I can put it is, by the time of the American Civil War the British Empire ruled over a quarter of the world. It was the largest empire ever. But because nations began aspiring to the American model of nation-building, toward the close of the 19th century the British set out on a scheme to destroy the world. The First World War was the result. It overturned the geopolitical chessboard. The Russian empire was destroyed. So was the Austro-Hungarian Empire and the Ottoman Empire. About that same time, oil came into use, primarily for fueling warships and the Middle East just so happened to have lots of oil. So, the British were keen to take over that area of the world after WW1. The Lords of London drew up the modern map of nations in the Middle East and South Asia.
How can Britain be 7 when it never conquered Rome? What do you have to say about this?
Throughout the succession of world powers an existing world power when defeated, its status as a world power would go to the nation that conquered, entirely. It was like that with Babylon,Medo&persia,Greece lost to roman legions.
Some brief history on the ottoman.
On 29th May, the Ottoman army attacked for the final assault. The siege lasted from Friday, 6 April 1453 until 29 May 1453 Tuesday when the city was conquered by the Ottomans under the command of Sultan II. Mehmed.
First, Britain is not the same thing as the British Empire. The British Empire is a supranational organization. Think of it as a giant octopus with tentacles that encompass the earth. The nexus of the imperial octopus is London but the tentacles include the central bank system, the IMF, the World Bank, NATO, the Church of England and numerous low churches, as well as Wall Street and the media conglomerates, and on and on.
Furthermore, as I pointed out in a previous comment, according to the seventh chapter of Daniel the ferocious 10-horned beast that supplanted Greece will be on hand when the Son of man receives his Kingdom. That means the original Roman Empire still exists. It was never defeated and supplanted. Although historians talk of the fall of Rome as well as the supposed fall of the British Empire, according to prophecy the same beastly empire still exists. It has merely gone through a series of transformations, and iterations, beginning with the Holy Roman Empire. The ascendency of the British Empire is merely the neo-Roman Empire.
PJ54
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The Ottoman Empire was conquered by Britain (they're gone & never coming back). Also the 8th king comes from the 7th, so are we to say the HQ of the NWO will be in the Middle East. Btw if we go by the line of reason that each head of the Beast conquers it's predecessor then there's a problem. Egypt was the first head to oppose God's people. Then it was the Assyrians but they never conquered Egypt. Plus, there have been other empires around the same time as the ones part of Daniels multi-metal statue & Revelations Beast. During the Roman Empire there was the the Chinese Dynasty of Han (and others) which was powerful. The point is just because they existed or currently exist doesn't automatically make them the de facto governments specifically mentioned in the Bible.