The removal of the constant feature

MickHewitt

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Do any of you believe that the cessation of the public preaching work was the start of the removal of the constant feature spoken of in Daniel chapter 11? It would seem to make sense at the surface level. And, if that 1,290 day period began then, we could expect some significant events in 2023. What do you think?
The established place of His sanctuary (Jehovah's Christian Organisation) has not been thrown down which is contiguous with the constant features removal? 8:11. vs12 even combines the the army being given over because of transgression.
 
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w_stone

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What is the meaning of Jah Organization being thrown down? If it means that that the Organization has gone Apostate. Then Yes the constant feature been stopped. That why the 1290 are From ( or a part or a addition to something) They would be add to the 6000 year (1975)from Adams creation plus the time to Eves creation 40 years (2015) plus the 1290 days 2019/2020 ( constant feature removed) the stopping of the preaching work .Then the 1150 days start.Which ends 2022/2023 .Just my thoughts
 
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Zane

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Jesus arrival was anticipated for a very long time.
He was to be the final "Lamb" to be sacrificed.
Animal sacrifice was a constant feature of worship for a couple thousand years.
It was the heart and core of that worship.
Jesus' death removed the need for that constant feature.

Do you really think that Daniel would refer to the door-to-door preaching work that wouldn't take place for a couple thousand years after he wrote that, and would only last a few decades, as a "constant feature"?
The "preaching work" is a tiny blip in all of human history's worship if Jehovah.
I don't think it qualifies as a "constant" feature.
Do you think it does?

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BagdadBill

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Do you really think that Daniel would refer to the door-to-door preaching work that wouldn't take place for a couple thousand years after he wrote that, and would only last a few decades, as a "constant feature"?
Jehovah gave a prophecy 6000 years ago that is just now about to come true. If time is the criteria for deciphering prophecy then we'll never get there. Also, Daniel and of course other prophets wrote about the end time.
I don't think it's the preaching work though.
 

Watchman

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Do any of you believe that the cessation of the public preaching work was the start of the removal of the constant feature spoken of in Daniel chapter 11? It would seem to make sense at the surface level. And, if that 1,290 day period began then, we could expect some significant events in 2023. What do you think?
Read the prophecy of Joel. Then read this. The removal of the constant feature is EVERYTHING associated with Christ's congregation.
 

MickHewitt

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Jesus arrival was anticipated for a very long time.
He was to be the final "Lamb" to be sacrificed.
Animal sacrifice was a constant feature of worship for a couple thousand years.
It was the heart and core of that worship.
Jesus' death removed the need for that constant feature.

Do you really think that Daniel would refer to the door-to-door preaching work that wouldn't take place for a couple thousand years after he wrote that, and would only last a few decades, as a "constant feature"?
The "preaching work" is a tiny blip in all of human history's worship if Jehovah.
I don't think it qualifies as a "constant" feature.
Do you think it does?

:)
There was obviously more to daily sacrife than burning animals. There is the whole wheel of observance and worship centering upon daily sacrifice, yearly sacrifice for sins of Israel, festivals,the sabbath, the synagogue and all this had Jah's blessing until Christ. That was the constant feature for them. Watchtower's conventions, assemblies, Gilead, meetings and field service directed from Bethel, their constant feature still has the blessing of Jehovah upon it untill we see the disgusting thing standing where it ought not, then it's her end and Jehovah will withdraw His protection. Lam2:3?
 

The God Pill

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Yes the day of atonement was for sin but most sacrifices were for communion and purification. Many translations do a disservice by using the phrase sin offering and this could be the root of Lett's babies are enemies of God attitude the "it's sinful to bring a life into the world" interpretation that comes from that. Mary didn't sin by giving birth to Jesus there offering was for purification. I think Christians would gain from reflecting on communion sacrifices conceptually the God of Israel had standards on spiritual, ethical and physical cleanness but he was not a remote God with no desire to be close to creation repulsed by mankind unless adequately bribed he was one you could metaphorically share a meal with.
 

A B

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Do any of you believe that the cessation of the public preaching work was the start of the removal of the constant feature spoken of in Daniel chapter 11? It would seem to make sense at the surface level. And, if that 1,290 day period began then, we could expect some significant events in 2023. What do you think?
No, the preaching work continued, our Cong covered it’s territory several times faster and started studies with people who likely we would have never seen door to door.
 

The Black Sheep

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No, the preaching work continued, our Cong covered it’s territory several times faster and started studies with people who likely we would have never seen door to door.
I am sure the opposite could be stated too, and even more so, that many who could have been reached door to door have not been.

At the end of the day the current situation appears to not be anything prophetically significant yet, but instead it seems to be a glimpse at how close the WT is to going full-blown apostate.
 

kirmmy

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Read the prophecy of Joel. Then read this. The removal of the constant feature is EVERYTHING associated with Christ's congregation.
I took your advice...although it wasn't directed at me.

Grabbed some highlights.

"Joel harmonizes with the prophecy of Daniel, which depicts the king of fierce countenance trampling upon God’s spiritual sanctuary and causing the “constant feature” of sacrifice to cease for a time. So, in harmony with Isaiah and Daniel, and numerous other prophecies as well, the prophecy of Joel is foretelling how the congregation of Christ will be laid low during a time of unprecedented calamity." "Essentially the prophets foretell the very thing that the Watchtower only states as a hypothetical possibility in regards to individuals being “scattered and lost” should they ever be cutoff from “this means of communication.” The fact is, though, the Watchtower does not merely claim to be the channel of communication to God’s congregation, the evidence abounds that it has actually served as a vital channel for truth-thirsty Christians. That being the case, the last verse of the first chapter of Joel does not bode well for Jehovah’s channel: “The beasts of the field also keep longing for you, because the channels of water have dried up, and fire itself has devoured the pasture grounds of the wilderness.”" "There is no other reasonable conclusion that can be drawn except that the prophecy of Joel portends the utter collapse of the house of God." "Jehovah’s Witnesses—like domestic cattle that depend upon their human owner for feedstock—will lose their spiritual pasturage and wander about dazed and confused at the unexpected turn of events! " "Bethel’s demise will have the inevitable knock-on effect of causing the worldwide work to come to a sudden halt. "

As Jesus said: I will strike the shepherd and the sheep will be scattered.

That article has cleared up a lot for me. I now understand that the removal of the constant feature won't be some nebulous quantity that will be difficult to discern. From what you pointed out it will be the end of the WBTS and all spirit directed work by them and the anointed. When we see them drop, that's the signal. And that will happen during the reign of the 8th king and after the GT, right?
 

The Black Sheep

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I took your advice...although it wasn't directed at me.

Grabbed some highlights.

"Joel harmonizes with the prophecy of Daniel, which depicts the king of fierce countenance trampling upon God’s spiritual sanctuary and causing the “constant feature” of sacrifice to cease for a time. So, in harmony with Isaiah and Daniel, and numerous other prophecies as well, the prophecy of Joel is foretelling how the congregation of Christ will be laid low during a time of unprecedented calamity." "Essentially the prophets foretell the very thing that the Watchtower only states as a hypothetical possibility in regards to individuals being “scattered and lost” should they ever be cutoff from “this means of communication.” The fact is, though, the Watchtower does not merely claim to be the channel of communication to God’s congregation, the evidence abounds that it has actually served as a vital channel for truth-thirsty Christians. That being the case, the last verse of the first chapter of Joel does not bode well for Jehovah’s channel: “The beasts of the field also keep longing for you, because the channels of water have dried up, and fire itself has devoured the pasture grounds of the wilderness.”" "There is no other reasonable conclusion that can be drawn except that the prophecy of Joel portends the utter collapse of the house of God." "Jehovah’s Witnesses—like domestic cattle that depend upon their human owner for feedstock—will lose their spiritual pasturage and wander about dazed and confused at the unexpected turn of events! " "Bethel’s demise will have the inevitable knock-on effect of causing the worldwide work to come to a sudden halt. "

As Jesus said: I will strike the shepherd and the sheep will be scattered.

That article has cleared up a lot for me. I now understand that the removal of the constant feature won't be some nebulous quantity that will be difficult to discern. From what you pointed out it will be the end of the WBTS and all spirit directed work by them and the anointed. When we see them drop, that's the signal. And that will happen during the reign of the 8th king and after the GT, right?
Nice summary. The removal seems to be part of the result rather than the cause.
 
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w_stone

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It seems that the Prophetic period of 1150 days and 1290 days and finally 1335 days are time stages /or each is a stage that leads to the final conclusion.The final stage is the 1335 days What Daniel says would be what we our in expectation of:That would be the Revealing or the manifestation of the Christ.
 

kirmmy

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If we are to expect some bigger sign than the stopping of all the preaching work door to door the closing of all the kingdom halls the force jib on all kingdom preacher .What more are we looking for?
From Robert's article...the complete destruction of the WBTS. But I'm not saying Robert is a prophet and anything he says is absolute. Still, IMO, he's got a real good handle on Bible prophecy so I tend to believe him.
 
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w_stone

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So there is a prophectic type to the Christian congreation that would be the nation a Isreal.That nation was destroyed in stages or over a period of time.The time periods of1150 days 1290 day and 1335 also represents how the Christian congreation would be destroyed over a short time Starting with the constant feature being removed.Then war in heaven starts and the devil is cast out,that is another time period.
Then what Daniel says Happy is he who keeps in expectationThat another phase Of what? That would be the second presence.Final the 42 months starts and the GT begins.With the finally being Armageddon.Each stage being a part of the whole Just a thought.
 
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kirmmy

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So there is a prophectic type to the Christian congreation that would be the nation a Isreal.That nation was destroyed in stages or over a period of time.The time periods of1150 days 1290 day and 1335 also represents how the Christian congreation would be destroyed over a short time Starting with the constant feature being removed.Then war in heaven starts and the devil is cast out,that is another time period.
Then what Daniel says Happy is he who keeps in expectationThat another phase Of what? That would be the second presence.Final the 42 months starts and the GT begins.With the finally being Armageddon.Each stage being a part of the whole Just a thought.
Interesting...I'm considering what you've said...

You know everytime those time periods have come up on this forum, there is general confusion on them.
 

Back to True Worship

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Do any of you believe that the cessation of the public preaching work was the start of the removal of the constant feature spoken of in Daniel chapter 11? It would seem to make sense at the surface level. And, if that 1,290 day period began then, we could expect some significant events in 2023. What do you think?
I certainly do and have thus voiced it here too. But like all good things we have to wait...if March 20, 2020 was that date then October 29 2023 will end the 1290 days....I am looking to see what the brother said about Chapter 8:11. I believe there are two fulfillments to this event....Daniel 8 is in regard to the time of Roman rule and Christ's coming to end transgression and the later fulfillment of the sanctuary thrown down with the placing to the disgusting thing, was Jerusalems destruction after the return of the Roman army in 70 ce, Jesus said a stone will not be left upon a stone . The sanctuary and the place of sacrifices ceased not only because of the Romans but because Jehovah brought it to an end with Jesus.
This is in context of the The Male of the Goats...Alexander...his four generals and then Rome..but chapter 12 directly tells us of the time of the end..another distant time ...and refers to the increase in insight and understanding....
 
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