WWIII progressing. This is quite interesting

Something Borrowed said:
You know, after the 2.5 years of pandemic propaganda from Bethel NY, we finally decided to leave that mental institution.
After reading so many experiences on this forum and video of @Watchman you begin to separate yourself from that groupthink.
If I’m honest, I still have to unlearn a lot of "habits" I picked up from 20+ years in the org but I reckon everyone has to deal with that.
But it was really amazing to hear the complete one liners from these two "live" in our living room.

It’s just like @Sunshower said, it’s all based on emotions.
The whole pandemic scare from Bethel has solely been based on emotional blackmail.
The phrase "Jehovah wouldn’t allow it" or "wait on Jehovah" has brainwashed the jws and if bad stuff does happen then they fall back on "well we expect this to happen" (the last days and all that) or "this isn’t the life we expect".
It’s a very clever mechanism to be honest but it keeps them in a state of acceptance and the need to be reassured all the time by the GB.

It’s astonishing to see that many jws not even know what the GB really wants them to believe.
So where in this mindset comes Jehovah?
Jehovah has left the building a long time ago. All they do is repeating the same mantras over and over again.
Maybe if you say "safe and effective" long enough, maybe you will believe Big Pharma promises.
Same goes for the GB. It’s quiet sad in the end but you can’t reach them, that is pretty clear.
Makes you wonder what will happen to all these people when the SHTF comes and it will.
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Something borrowed, mental institution aptly describes the org today.
Jesus was referring to his people at the time of his return when he said many will be stumbled courtesy of the borganization.
 
יהוה_saves said:
@Something Borrowed

That’s crazy. I looked at a nuke U.S. target map some weeeks ago and i was surprised to see my little puny in-the-weeds county has a read circle around it, meaning it is a target.

There’s no place to bug out to- if nukes start flying on the U.S. mainland- well, only Jehovah can protect us with his holy spirit.

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See you later, alligator.
 
Something Borrowed said:
You know, after the 2.5 years of pandemic propaganda from Bethel NY, we finally decided to leave that mental institution.
After reading so many experiences on this forum and video of @Watchman you begin to separate yourself from that groupthink.
If I’m honest, I still have to unlearn a lot of "habits" I picked up from 20+ years in the org but I reckon everyone has to deal with that.
But it was really amazing to hear the complete one liners from these two "live" in our living room.

It’s just like @Sunshower said, it’s all based on emotions.
The whole pandemic scare from Bethel has solely been based on emotional blackmail.
The phrase "Jehovah wouldn’t allow it" or "wait on Jehovah" has brainwashed the jws and if bad stuff does happen then they fall back on "well we expect this to happen" (the last days and all that) or "this isn’t the life we expect".
It’s a very clever mechanism to be honest but it keeps them in a state of acceptance and the need to be reassured all the time by the GB.

It’s astonishing to see that many jws not even know what the GB really wants them to believe.
So where in this mindset comes Jehovah?
Jehovah has left the building a long time ago. All they do is repeating the same mantras over and over again.
Maybe if you say "safe and effective" long enough, maybe you will believe Big Pharma promises.
Same goes for the GB. It’s quiet sad in the end but you can’t reach them, that is pretty clear.
Makes you wonder what will happen to all these people when the SHTF comes and it will.
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They really need to consider what Jesus said:
(Matthew 4:5-7) 5 Then the Devil took him along into the holy city, and he stationed him on the battlement of the temple 6 and said to him: “If you are a son of God, throw yourself down, for it is written: ‘He will give his angels a command concerning you,’ and, ‘They will carry you on their hands, so that you may not strike your foot against a stone.’” 7 Jesus said to him: “Again it is written: ‘You must not put Jehovah your God to the test.’”
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kenmuldoon55 said:
If we’re culled during the great tribulation, we’ll be the lucky ones.
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Yeah, I‘m not looking forward to that either.
But I always keep in mind what is written in 1Corinthians10:13
"No temptation has come upon you except what is common to men. But God is faithful, and he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear, but along with the temptation he will also make the way out so that you may be able to endure it."
 
kenmuldoon55 said:
If we’re culled during the great tribulation, we’ll be the lucky ones.
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Knowing my luck, I'll be forced to survive & suffer. If there's death for me it'll be a brutal, violent, agonizing, insanity inducing, demonically, & slow death. I know that's grim but life has beaten me down since I was a boy so it wouldn't surprise me. Then again, I might survive that because it will supposed to be a testament of faith. Whatever God wills at this point.
 
Something Borrowed said:
Yeah, I‘m not looking forward to that either.
But I always keep in mind what is written in 1Corinthians10:13
"No temptation has come upon you except what is common to men. But God is faithful, and he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear, but along with the temptation he will also make the way out so that you may be able to endure it."
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An account of a third century Christian woman that may interest you.

Death of a Martyr, 203 AD

Eye witness account of a Christian martyr
www.eyewitnesstohistory.com
 
PJ54 said:
Knowing my luck, I'll be forced to survive & suffer. If there's death for me it'll be a brutal, violent, agonizing, insanity inducing, demonically, & slow death. I know that's grim but life has beaten me down since I was a boy so it wouldn't surprise me. Then again, I might survive that because it will supposed to be a testament of faith. Whatever God wills at this point.
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I think once we take that leap of faith that Jehovah knows how to give us aid in miraculous ways.

Death of a Martyr, 203 AD

Eye witness account of a Christian martyr
www.eyewitnesstohistory.com
 
kenmuldoon55 said:
I think once we take that leap of faith that Jehovah knows how to give us aid in miraculous ways.

Death of a Martyr, 203 AD

Eye witness account of a Christian martyr
www.eyewitnesstohistory.com
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Wow, just goes to show, when it comes, the police aren't your friends; the army aren't your friends; the government aren't your friends; the people aren't your friends; even family may not be your friends.

That woman had so much courage. Jesus level courage. She will make a fine Ruler in God's kingdom.

And notice this:

"Perpetua and another Christian woman, Felicitas, were tossed and gored by a bull; but despite cruel manglings yet survived. Perpetua, says a sympathizing recorder] seemed in a trance. 'When are we to be tossed?' she asked, and could scarcely be induced to believe that she had suffered, in spite of the marks on her body."

I've heard this from an African missionary. You'll only feel the first blow, he said. After that Jah comes to your aid, you go into a state of almost euphoric shock and then whatever comes, comes. That was his experience and the Brothers/Sisters he knew that got terribly beaten.
 
Sunshower said:
We both thought they were going to cry at one point and we really hadn’t told them anything really.
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This is exactly what happened to me, way before I ended up here. I got into a discussion with a witness sister about the masks, this is someone who uses an actual respirator or should for work anyway. I have to back up and say this. She was parking a car, and wasn't wearing this cloth mask garbage, then she went back to here work area, put her "mask on". She didn't put on an actual respirator, something that actually works, with studies that prove it, no she put on the cloth BS mask. She needed to ask me something, and I made a point of telling her she didn't need that mask to talk to me, because I know what masks actually can and can't do, and what is an actual mask. (I'm convince she put her mask on to "set a good example" for me. I was making the argument that that thing doesn't do anything, but only because I knew what and why she was doing what she did. She said something about "obeying the GB" or something similar I don't remember exactly. I said, "are we going taking medical advice from the GB now?"

All I can say is I upset her so bad, I think she was actually crying. It made me feel so bad after a couple minutes I went to her and apologized. I told her I didn't mean to upset her, that wasn't my goal...etc, etc. And this was before the full vax push.

Now I have to say this also. This whole thing is so disingenuous, for at least two reasons. #1, If this sister and her husband are not using proper PPE, actual respirators for their work, they don't really care about their health, and it is 100% equivalent to smoking cigarettes, then they are hypocrites #2, if they are using and have respirators, they are wearing a clown cloth face mask, for pure theater! They cannot honestly believe that that cloth masks does anything.
 
PJ54 said:
Knowing my luck, I'll be forced to survive & suffer. If there's death for me it'll be a brutal, violent, agonizing, insanity inducing, demonically, & slow death. I know that's grim but life has beaten me down since I was a boy so it wouldn't surprise me. Then again, I might survive that because it will supposed to be a testament of faith. Whatever God wills at this point.
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One of the pleasures of being pessimistic is that one is seldom wrong. In the case of a person looking to find faith though, it is a strong weapon, because it builds faith strong enough to withstand it, for the commitment has already been made in the knowledge of the pessimist a long time beforehand. It is a commitment on a par with having sufficient oil as stated in the scripture. Those that think they may get off lightly are far more likely to have problems with fear. The pessimist though is prepared beforehand and has committed his faith to the inevitable just as Christ did. Though he said at the time to his father, if there could be any other way, could it be so? As there was no reply, he determined himself to go through with it. Therefore, through accepting beforehand what may be, it will be less of a struggle in faith if the time comes. The only caveat though, is not to go looking for it and create a self fulfilling prophesy and to value life and the joys of the truth - they can be found and are delightful and warming to the soul, allowing you to find rest in the peace we share now and more importantly, peace in yourself. Peace that comes through faith. Again, as the bible says, it is best that way in putting on the armour of faith. It all sounds rather self contradictory, but it is nonetheless the most effect weapon against oneself from sinking into despair. So take courage and carry on. You seem to have it tapped, and faith was not described as armour without reason, was it? The feeling of despair is common to everyone who ponders on the meaning of life and thus the only option is to deal with it and make it a positive - it is a key component of faith.
 
kenmuldoon55 said:
Something borrowed, mental institution aptly describes the org today.
Jesus was referring to his people at the time of his return when he said many will be stumbled courtesy of the borganization.
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Absolute madness! How they can stay in? There has to be something odd Ken. The bro's and sis' that I have known I promised to stop contacting. Infact I promised I would stop pestering them Ken but I am so intrigued by certain ones who I have always looked up to, staying with them....ah well best we keep an eye on ourselves at this time....I pray you and your wife are well, should say coping?.
 
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BARNABY THE DOG. said:
One of the pleasures of being pessimistic is that one is seldom wrong. In the case of a person looking to find faith though, it is a strong weapon, because it builds faith strong enough to withstand it, for the commitment has already been made in the knowledge of the pessimist a long time beforehand. It is a commitment on a par with having sufficient oil as stated in the scripture. Those that think they may get off lightly are far more likely to have problems with fear.
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that makes sense, in a weird way. Maybe another way to express the same or similar concept is to remove any and all expectations of good- my dad, a chronic chain smoker, used to say he would never live past 60. he lived to be 69- he counted those nine years as “bonus years” and died a happy man.
 
Something Borrowed said:
If you are confronted with elders or whatever and you have a different opinion than the narrative, it’s not considered your opinion and something you’re entitled to because freedom of speech and all that….
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i remember being in a struggle session with two elders one time- i told them i was unhappy in my marriage and they told me it was because i was too insistent on having rights. I guess like basic rights to things like respect, the right to be loved, the right to marital fidelity.

If i would just stop insisting on my blasted rights, perhaps i would make my husband happy and then i would be happy.

This is a true and factual account of one of my several back room struggle sessions.
 
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