Hello from the Coinlady

[TheJehuChariot]

I don't want to add to your tectonic misplacement but Ray Franz was one of the signers-off on the Wt's child abuse policy. He is one of the biggest frauds that ever belched a theocratic utterance.

In addition, though he was seemingly quite an intellect and even helped with The Commentary of James book that I loved.... I believe he became a little pious and self absorbed. Didn't he ultimately graduate to the thinking that "everyone" righteous was to receive their reward in heaven?

 

[TheJehuChariot]

they do. i mean to say they don’t promote the bible or Jehovah in anyway. they just expose the Gov Body’s 33° Freemasonry.

Thank you for that reply. Personally, I just have a hard time tolerating those YouTubers who revel in the mockery of God and those whom have failed Him. They tend to eat at the trough of demons. Which is why I have always been drawn to Robert's work. He exposes the apostasy amongst God's Chosen people. But he has never mocked the failing of them in an audacious or bragadocious manner. It is always with a solemn, disciplinarian nature indicative of the dark harbinger that lies in wait for those whom have idolized themselves and promoted such.

 

[יהוה_saves]

Thank you for that reply. Personally, I just have a hard time tolerating those YouTubers who revel in the mockery of God and those whom have failed Him. They tend to eat at the trough of demons. Which is why I have always been drawn to Robert's work. He exposes the apostasy amongst God's Chosen people. But he has never mocked the failing of them in an audacious or bragadocious manner. It is always with a solemn, disciplinarian nature indicative of the dark harbinger that lies in wait for those whom have idolized themselves and promoted such.

i agree with you. I don’t visit them anymore. Those two don’t necessarily mock God but they don’t praise him either. But i agree with you wholeheartedly. it’s hard to find info about Watchtower's involvement in 33° Freemasonry. but it’s out there.

 

[Melinda]

Thank you for that reply. Personally, I just have a hard time tolerating those YouTubers who revel in the mockery of God and those whom have failed Him. They tend to eat at the trough of demons. Which is why I have always been drawn to Robert's work. He exposes the apostasy amongst God's Chosen people. But he has never mocked the failing of them in an audacious or bragadocious manner. It is always with a solemn, disciplinarian nature indicative of the dark harbinger that lies in wait for those whom have idolized themselves and promoted such.

I have watched many xJW YouTubers....as side from Loyd Evans...who is the worst of the worst....the one thing I have noticed about all of them...is they never attack the basic CORE TRUTHS...they never deny that God's name is Jehovah...They never deny the Trinity is false...They never deny Jehovah's purpose for the earth....They never deny Satan is the God of this world. They don't attack the basic message they attack the messenger because of their failed prophecy and policies . Just because the messenger has become corrupt doesn't mean the basic truths that we all love is false.

 

[Medi-tator]

@coinlady "Just because the messenger has become corrupt doesn't mean the basic truths that we all love is false."

So very true Sister!!

 

[Dorothea]

I too have listened to many ex witnesses on YouTube and from my experience nearly all of them speak about the org in a very derogatory manner, some almost spit venom their hatred is so profound…they even go to halls (or did…including during memorials) just to film themselves shouting out and being disruptive and then they laugh about it on their videos, this is the org that they once were a part of, the org they learned the truth from and at one time loved…I get that the brothers have made some terrible mistakes and they will have to answer for every single one of them, that being said we should not assume that Jehovah is no longer using the org because he may be, the other thing these ones need to consider especially if they still profess to love Jehovah, do they think that this behaviour sits well with him?
It most certainly does not because even Jesus did not please himself and treat like for like.
We should always try to be the bigger person and act in a Christlike manner.

I came across this yesterday and it was sobering:

"Do not grumble against one another, brothers, so that you do not get judged. Look! The Judge is standing before the doors.10 Brothers, take as a pattern of the suffering of evil and the exercising of patience the prophets who spoke in the name of Jehovah." James 5:9, 10

There is no denying many have suffered evil as a result of the treatment they have received within the organization. But it's not our place to judge. Jehovah very much appreciates our quiet, respectful, and faithful endurance until he sends his son to set matters right. I have not always lived up to that, and I'm glad Jehovah showed me that scripture.

 

[SusanB]

I too have listened to many ex witnesses on YouTube and from my experience nearly all of them speak about the org in a very derogatory manner, some almost spit venom their hatred is so profound…they even go to halls (or did…including during memorials) just to film themselves shouting out and being disruptive and then they laugh about it on their videos, this is the org that they once were a part of, the org they learned the truth from and at one time loved…I get that the brothers have made some terrible mistakes and they will have to answer for every single one of them, that being said we should not assume that Jehovah is no longer using the org because he may be, the other thing these ones need to consider especially if they still profess to love Jehovah, do they think that this behaviour sits well with him?
It most certainly does not because even Jesus did not please himself and treat like for like.
We should always try to be the bigger person and act in a Christlike manner.

Additionally, Edom pictures Christendom in prophecy. Edom was destroyed because they delighted in the suffering of the Israelites when Jehovah disciplined the nation. There will be a modern day equivalent to Edom. So, even though the organization has sinned, all should be careful not to delight in their suffering.

 

[SusanB]

I came across this yesterday and it was sobering:

"Do not grumble against one another, brothers, so that you do not get judged. Look! The Judge is standing before the doors.10 Brothers, take as a pattern of the suffering of evil and the exercising of patience the prophets who spoke in the name of Jehovah." James 5:9, 10

There is no denying many have suffered evil as a result of the treatment they have received within the organization. But it's not our place to judge. Jehovah very much appreciates our quiet, respectful, and faithful endurance until he sends his son to set matters right. I have not always lived up to that, and I'm glad Jehovah showed me that scripture.

Hi Dorothea, I enjoy your comments so much. You are right about grumbling. Jehovah wants a balance. While we should not grumble against one another, we should nevertheless correct some who are on a wrong path if it is the right opportunity. Sometimes that correction comes with just not giving in to wrong behavior.

Galatians 6:1: “Brothers, even if a man takes a false step before he is aware of it, you who have spiritual qualifications try to readjust such a man in a spirit of mildness. But keep an eye on yourself, for fear you too may be tempted”

This harmonizes with Jehovah‘s principle set out Ezekiel 3:9 about warning the wicked. So, there are times when we should warn people, even our brothers and sisters, away from a sinful course, but I think that is different than grumbling. Just setting a good example is often enough.

 

[Dorothea]

Hi Dorothea, I enjoy your comments so much. You are right about grumbling. Jehovah wants a balance. While we should not grumble against one another, we should nevertheless correct some who are on a wrong path if it is the right opportunity. Sometimes that correction comes with just not giving in to wrong behavior.

Galatians 6:1: “Brothers, even if a man takes a false step before he is aware of it, you who have spiritual qualifications try to readjust such a man in a spirit of mildness. But keep an eye on yourself, for fear you too may be tempted”

This harmonizes with Jehovah‘s principle set out Ezekiel 3:9 about warning the wicked. So, there are times when we should warn people, even our brothers and sisters, away from a sinful course, but I think that is different than grumbling. Just setting a good example is often enough.

I agree. Grumbling is very different from giving needed council or exposing wrongdoing. And some of us (Robert) seem to have a commission from Jehovah to expose and warn and reprimand. Hard job. I don't envy him!

 

[SollaSollew]

I now know the Truth about the Truth!

Welcome

 

[יהוה_saves]

I have watched many xJW YouTubers....as side from Loyd Evans...who is the worst of the worst....the one thing I have noticed about all of them...is they never attack the basic CORE TRUTHS...they never deny that God's name is Jehovah...They never deny the Trinity is false...They never deny Jehovah's purpose for the earth....They never deny Satan is the God of this world. They don't attack the basic message they attack the messenger because of their failed prophecy and policies . Just because the messenger has become corrupt doesn't mean the basic truths that we all love is false.

absolutely true

 

[Nomex]

@Driven @Dorothea @Asadour @SollaSollew @Shoshana @Medi-tator @TheJehuChariot @coinlady So many good comments it's hard to comment on each and give you the credit. Suffice it to say, this is why I am so glad I found you guys. So many good observations and reminders, that I can take to heart. Thanks so much.

 

[Paz]

Hi CoinLady, I loved your experience I first came into a Kh when I was 17yrs old baptised 18 and pioneered 19yrs old. Sadly my steady girlfriend and I broke up over over my new form faith , I was one of those people who find the truth and go crazy I’ve found the ‘truth’. Married a pioneer and broke up 9 yrs later. My new wife is not a witness but we get on so much better. I experienced disfellowship my ex wanted us to be divorced but live next to one another. Madness! So I took the hit so I could be free to remarry in the future. Eventually I got back but noticed a differenCE in 2013 now I remain a publisher and enjoy the meetings. But you are right there are serious problems from the top. i was not happy with the way the gb has pushed the ‘jabs’ and stopping the public preaching work. Welcome here . I have some more information on Raymond Franz and a court case back in Scotland 1954 . I have my own website http://christ2coming.org the green lettering is about jw issues in the section Jesus/faith that links to a section called jw Library where I wrote to the gb trying to convince them to change certain policies.
regards, Paz

 

[Melinda]

Hi CoinLady, I loved your experience I first came into a Kh when I was 17yrs old baptised 18 and pioneered 19yrs old. Sadly my steady girlfriend and I broke up over over my new form faith , I was one of those people who find the truth and go crazy I’ve found the ‘truth’. Married a pioneer and broke up 9 yrs later. My new wife is not a witness but we get on so much better. I experienced disfellowship my ex wanted us to be divorced but live next to one another. Madness! So I took the hit so I could be free to remarry in the future. Eventually I got back but noticed a differenCE in 2013 now I remain a publisher and enjoy the meetings. But you are right there are serious problems from the top. i was not happy with the way the gb has pushed the ‘jabs’ and stopping the public preaching work. Welcome here . I have some more information on Raymond Franz and a court case back in Scotland 1954 . I have my own website http://christ2coming.org the green lettering is about jw issues in the section Jesus/faith that links to a section called jw Library where I wrote to the gb trying to convince them to change certain policies.
regards, Paz

Thank You! I was thrilled to find this forum set up by Robert King. I believe Jehovah brought me here. There are so many like myself who left but never stopped loving Jehovah! I have been reaching out to my xJW friends and sharing this site with them. In light of never before seen world events....I was listening to so many different podcast trying to make since of the current events...our election was stolen and it's obvious our government is going to to push the New World Order on every country....I did not find any peace or comfort in any of the podcasts I have listened to for the past yr and half...It wasn't until I came upon Roberts forum that I was able to put together all the pieces that I have always known that I finally found peace. No one can stop whats coming....this information in the forum is more critical now than ever. What has been amazing to me....is all the scriptures I have not read in years come to mind as if I read them yesterday. I will check out your website.

 

[a watcher]

...i was not happy with the way the gb has pushed the ‘jabs’ and stopping the public preaching work...

Ditto.

 

[SusanB]

… No one can stop whats coming....

You are so correct, no one can stop what is coming. It doesn’t matter what any human believes, what matters is the reality of the fact that our Creator will fulfill his purpose for the earth and for humans. So, those who love truth want to accept bible prophecy for what is actually says and wait for more clarity, while we continue to learn, pray and reach out to others as Jesus’ example shows us.

 

[a watcher]

You are so correct, no one can stop what is coming. It doesn’t matter what any human believes, what matters is the reality of the fact that our Creator will fulfill his purpose for the earth and for humans. So, those who love truth want to accept bible prophecy for what is actually says and wait for more clarity, while we continue to learn, pray and reach out to others as Jesus’ example shows us.

As painful as it is to watch America (and the rest of the world) crash and burn, it must happen for the Kingdom to be established.

 

[Paz]

Hi all, Robert said that the slave is only appointed the ‘faithful and discreet slave’ on Jesus return prior to Armageddon. I think that is likely 3 and a half yrs before the great tribulation when ( ‘all will see him‘ at end of 1260day period) by then the the anointed (these include more than listed by wt and they claim the added numbers are false ‘partakers’ what a slander that is) will be universally attacked by the beast they will die a marters death so the great crowd is protected and join Christ in a ’twinkling of a eye’ . As immortal ones . These ones will not spill blood whilst with Christ as the wt teach, they will act to protect their earthly brothers get through the gt. Jesus does not spill blood either his orders do. His orders as the ‘sword’ from his mouth will instruct the legions of angels to do this work. Jesus and his white pure bride act only to protect the gc as they are usurered into the nw as Noah was. The present ‘slave’ was chosen as wt say around ww1 this slave has done much good and brought in a large group of potential ‘sheep’ and fed them but this slave (mth 24:46) does always run the risk of taking on traits of an ‘evil‘ slave . That is why Jesus says ‘who is the faithful and discreet slave? v45 , Robert has clearly stated that this slave will be ‘severely’ punishEd. The presumptious governing body members who have made a comfy home for themselves in the newly built bethels will see a full destruction of them and any ‘apostate helpers’ and the bethel buildings if judged as evil ones. I believe they still have time to repent if they followed a recommendation I wrote them about in 2020 . (Copy In jw library on my site). The good news is all who don’t get the mark 666 will survive so many who are not JWs will too. In Moses day they were called ‘a vast mixed company’. (I am praying that it’s 100’s millions. In the good news Bible version instead of ‘great’ it say ‘enormous crowd’. Regards, Paz

 

[SollaSollew]

I believe they still have time to repent if they followed a recommendation I wrote them about in 2020 .

Really? Why would they repent from a letter you wrote? Jesus performed all the signs as pertained through the prophets even raising the dead and yet the religious leaders of the time had him put to death after witnessing all the miracles her performed. The repentance you are talking about will not come from your letter, it will come when Jesus returns to sort the wheat from the weeds.

 

[SusanB]

Hi all, Robert said that the slave is only appointed the ‘faithful and discreet slave’ on Jesus return prior to Armageddon. I think that is likely 3 and a half yrs before the great tribulation when ( ‘all will see him‘ at end of 1260day period) by then the the anointed (these include more than listed by wt and they claim the added numbers are false ‘partakers’ what a slander that is) will be universally attacked by the beast they will die a marters death so the great crowd is protected and join Christ in a ’twinkling of a eye’ . As immortal ones . These ones will not spill blood whilst with Christ as the wt teach, they will act to protect their earthly brothers get through the gt. Jesus does not spill blood either his orders do. His orders as the ‘sword’ from his mouth will instruct the legions of angels to do this work. Jesus and his white pure bride act only to protect the gc as they are usurered into the nw as Noah was. The present ‘slave’ was chosen as wt say around ww1 this slave has done much good and brought in a large group of potential ‘sheep’ and fed them but this slave (mth 24:46) does always run the risk of taking on traits of an ‘evil‘ slave . That is why Jesus says ‘who is the faithful and discreet slave? v45 , Robert has clearly stated that this slave will be ‘severely’ punishEd. The presumptious governing body members who have made a comfy home for themselves in the newly built bethels will see a full destruction of them and any ‘apostate helpers’ and the bethel buildings if judged as evil ones. I believe they still have time to repent if they followed a recommendation I wrote them about in 2020 . (Copy In jw library on my site). The good news is all who don’t get the mark 666 will survive so many who are not JWs will too. In Moses day they were called ‘a vast mixed company’. (I am praying that it’s 100’s millions. In the good news Bible version instead of ‘great’ it say ‘enormous crowd’. Regards, Paz

Hi Paz, I’ve been on your website but I couldn’t find a copy of your letter. I’d like to read it. Can you provide a direct link to the letter?