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Well, they've shown themselves clearly by releasing that video a few weeks ago of Jeffrey Winder telling us we mustn't give anyone any medical advice!!
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Proverbs 14 v 15
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Innocent as Doves
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Wow. I just finished reading all 8 pages of this thread! I have so much to say, but don't know where to start. Let's begin with the VIDEO....which I did watch before reading all the 8 pages....but by the time I finished reading the 8 pages....I had to rewatch the video to refresh my memory.
A few small things I noticed....maybe some others of you noticed too.....he had 2 obvious 'tells' of lying. (1) Right off the bat, after introducing point #2...he gets a small 'frog' in his throat. (2) Then, shortly after that....he has to 'Adjust' his glasses (aka 'fidgeting') and a 3rd one, very slightly, he swallows. (Like the cartoon "Gulp").
Also, at about 5 minutes he says...."We will think carefully before offering our OWN medical advice or before we discourage them from taking a prescribed treatment." Well, what about thinking carefully before ENCOURAGING them to take and 'un-prescribed, EXPERIMENTAL treatment? That point was very artfully EVADED.
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A few small things I noticed....maybe some others of you noticed too.....he had 2 obvious 'tells' of lying. (1) Right off the bat, after introducing point #2...he gets a small 'frog' in his throat. (2) Then, shortly after that....he has to 'Adjust' his glasses (aka 'fidgeting') and a 3rd one, very slightly, he swallows. (Like the cartoon "Gulp").
Also, at about 5 minutes he says...."We will think carefully before offering our OWN medical advice or before we discourage them from taking a prescribed treatment." Well, what about thinking carefully before ENCOURAGING them to take and 'un-prescribed, EXPERIMENTAL treatment? That point was very artfully EVADED.
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Welcome to the forum, you could not be in a better place. It's difficult to see the light at the end of the tunnel while waking up to the atrocities we find within what we've come to know as the true religion, but if you look at it from the bibles perspective, scripturally from a prophetic understanding, the religion of Jehovah's Witnesses is the true religion and so you were in the right place, it's just that they've gone apostate. Everything that you're seeing that is wrong with the organization is due to the foretold apostacy (2 Thess. 2:1-4, Dan.11:32-35) that occurs in the time of the end within the true religion. It's due to this apostacy which triggers Christs return to judge his household of anointed ones (1 Peter 4:17) who make up the temple of God here on earth (the remaining ones). From that judgement there will be a remnant of anointed that are saved and cleansed and at some point thereafter a great crowd. The Watchtower has served it's purpose in drawing honest hearted people like yourself to Jehovah but now with this apostacy in full bloom it's only a matter of time until Christs return. Hang in there and keep praying and studying the scriptures, especially the ones that help you understand where we are in the prophetic stream of time. Roberts book will really help you to do that. I'm so glad you are here and really enjoy reading your comments.
Proverbs 14 v 15
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Thank you for everything you said, it makes me feel better about myself, everyone's comments in this group help me to keep moving forward, the past 4 years I've literally been at a standstill with everything that's been going on. The toughest thing is seeming like an apostate to others still fast asleep and losing good friends. I haven't said too much to people but enough for them to avoid me
thankyou for finding me..
Ana
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Jehová lo pensó y Jesús nos advirtió. Si nuestro amor al Padre es auténtico, veremos más líos deshacerse.Thankyou for your kind wordswho'd have thought we would have ended up in this mess eh?
Se nos quedará cara de tontos según veamos como sucede? Seguramente. Unos se quedarán con la boca abierta, otros pensaran eureka!, otros se sentirán perdidos y a algunos les harán crujir los dientes. Con tal de no estar en la última posición, nada está perdido aún!
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Ezequiel 34:11 Porque así ha dicho Jehová el Señor: He aquí yo, yo mismo iré a buscar mis ovejas, y las reconoceré. 12 Como reconoce su rebaño el pastor el día que está en medio de sus ovejas esparcidas, así reconoceré mis ovejas, y las libraré de todos los lugares en que fueron esparcidas el día del nublado y de la oscuridad. 13 Y yo las sacaré de los pueblos, y las juntaré de las tierras; las traeré a su propia tierra, y las apacentaré en los montes de Israel, por las riberas, y en todos los lugares habitados del país. 14 En buenos pastos las apacentaré, y en los altos montes de Israel estará su aprisco; allí dormirán en buen redil, y en pastos suculentos serán apacentadas sobre los montes de Israel. 15 Yo apacentaré mis ovejas, y yo les daré aprisco, dice Jehová el Señor. 16 Yo buscaré la perdida, y haré volver al redil la descarriada; vendaré la perniquebrada, y fortaleceré la débil; mas a la engordada y a la fuerte destruiré; las apacentaré con justiciaThank you for everything you said, it makes me feel better about myself, everyone's comments in this group help me to keep moving forward, the past 4 years I've literally been at a standstill with everything that's been going on. The toughest thing is seeming like an apostate to others still fast asleep and losing good friends. I haven't said too much to people but enough for them to avoid me
I think that's the hardest part for everyone here, it's hard being viewed as an apostate when you truly love Jehovah and are loyal to him. You just have to remind yourself that you are not alone even though it feels that way and what's more important is how Jehovah sees you not them. From your posts I can tell your love for the brotherhood is strong. Remember too that in Jesus' day when he was executed the people were so mislead by the religious leaders they viewed him as an apostate too, imagine how hard that was for him. So it's par for the course that we experience something similar to that, true we are not physically killed but we do become as dead to them until they wake up too, and more and more JWs are waking up now due to the apostasy from the leadership down. Walk cautiously while you're still among the brotherhood and decide for yourself whether it's good for you to stay among them or whether you decide to fade away. Play it cool, there may be some you've spoken to who have reservations and doubts about the leadership and hypocrisy who are afraid themselves to voice their opinion about the GB but eventually will, you never know. You may not be as alone as you feel. At least you are here where you can voice your opinions and concerns and share your experiences.Thank you for everything you said, it makes me feel better about myself, everyone's comments in this group help me to keep moving forward, the past 4 years I've literally been at a standstill with everything that's been going on. The toughest thing is seeming like an apostate to others still fast asleep and losing good friends. I haven't said too much to people but enough for them to avoid me
Innocent as Doves
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Hello Proverbs! I don't know who is newer here, you or me....but most of your posts sound just like me too! I've been 'binge reading' as much as I can here before I speak with my husband. He doesn't like change and I don't know how he's going to react when I start telling him what I am learning. I kept 'feeling guilty' for reading this site and at the same time forgive myself.....because if it hadn't been for the whole COVID mismanagement.....I wouldn't have started asking HARD questions and searching for truthful answers. So every time I start thinking I'm doing something wrong, I think about all the lies and cover ups and secrecy and hyprocrisy....in the Covid reaction alone. Now I am learning about things that didn't directly affect me personally(CSP) but also worry me about how things were covered up. Just like you said:Thank you for everything you said, it makes me feel better about myself, everyone's comments in this group help me to keep moving forward, the past 4 years I've literally been at a standstill with everything that's been going on. The toughest thing is seeming like an apostate to others still fast asleep and losing good friends. I haven't said too much to people but enough for them to avoid me
Ditto.
Also, almost immediately after Covid began I started 'searching' for others like me.....but got nowhere. I was led to the EX-JW sites and I knew that was not where I wanted to be. They were just complaining and using it as an excuse to do whatever they wanted. I felt lost. I knew the basics I've learned from the Bible with JW's were still my core beliefs: aka No trinity, a future earthly paradise, resurrection of the dead, etc.
But just like Jesus said, we have to "KEEP ON KNOCKING". So I did. At first I tried bringing the Covid/Vax situation up to some close friends....and I got shot down. One actually called me a "Conspiracy Theorist". I was so upset. Finally, I wrote a letter to the CO on August 6th of 2021 and now I just found out through this site, that is the exact date the GB sent the letter out to full time servants regarding getting the vax 'unless you have a good medical reason not to'. But in the meantime, the elders kept telling us "No one is being forced to get the vax. It's a personal decision". What? I could not believe they didn't see the double speak happening right in front of their eyes. Cognitive Dissonance? I don't know. But I just couldn't believe it. I tried to WARN the brothers....thinking they were just misled. But despite the mountains of evidence that the vax was NOT 'Safe and Effective' and ALSO the fact that prior to this I don't recall ever being told to do anything medically.....it was all "It's your personal decision as long as it doesn't involve the use of blood or spiritistic practices." Actually, I've known for a long time that the word translated "Spiritistic" in our Bible is taken from the Greek word "Pharmakeia" and I always wondered why there were always articles about almost ALL Pharmaceuticals that were put in glowing terms. It just didn't add up to me. I see you ended your post above with "Thank you for finding me". That was Jehovah that led you here as I'm sure he's doing for all who find this site. Now, I don't know what my next step will be yet.....I'm still going to the Memorial tomorrow...but after that....I don't know what life in 'The Truth' holds for me. Keep praying....and stay close to Jehovah!
Proverbs 14 v 15
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Yes, I'm trying to play it as cool as I can! I'm still on zoom, I won't go back to the hall because since the nonsense of the past 3/4 years I can't "relate" to the brothers and sisters in general, and there's some in the congregation who still believe that you're disobedient to Jehovah if you're not injected and a few know that I'm not. The elders have given me a very wide berth until the other day, after the update
one of them asked my son, to ask me if he could have a chat with me. I texted him and asked him if there was anything in particular he wanted to chat with me about. He texted back he just wanted to "encourage" me. I texted back that it was 3 years too late, it was 3 years ago I needed some encouragement when the GB were encouraging everyone to get injected and I didn't want to, which, according to many brothers and sisters, made me a rebel and disobedient to Jehovah. I asked him "what happened to"the whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one" or what happened to "Keep on the watch"? And so on. Then I told him that I thought I was all alone in this nonsense but then Jehovah showed me I'm not and he guided me to 100's of beautiful brothers and sisters all around the world who feel the same as me ( I found quite a few on telegram too, in the early days) and I said we encourage eachother so I don't need any encouraging now.. his reply was "yes, it's been a difficult few years, glad to hear you're still strong with Jehovah"
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We really are all united in how we think aren't we? It really can't be a coincidence. Like you, those exjw sites can be so negative against Jehovah and like you, I believe a lot of them are using the hypocrisy of the GB to not have to think of Jehovah anymore, but it was in one of those groups that someone here grabbed me! Of which I am eternally grateful because my head's not so messed up now
Innocent as Doves
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Yes, I read that! Thank you @a watcher !but it was in one of those groups that someone here grabbed me! Of which I am eternally grateful because my head's not so messed up now
Proverbs 14 v 15
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That's right, it was "a watcher" who found me! I think she's a sister?Yes, I read that! Thank you @a watcher !
Yes, Proverbs. I'm still active in a congregation.
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Have you "rescued" many witnesses from the exjw sites? I've only just noticed that there's 331 members here! That's wonderful
You're the only one that I know of. You're my 'letter of recommendation'.Have you "rescued" many witnesses from the exjw sites? I've only just noticed that there's 331 members here! That's wonderful
BARNABY THE DOG.
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We are conditioned by watchtower to feel bad about ourselves - apostate - if we do not believe everything they feed us without question. If we have doubts, we “must wait on Jehovah”. As Winder said, they do not owe us an explanation or an apology. They make Jehovah out to be a liar by omission. Personally, I have never heard anything so insulting from any witness as I heard from winder in his speech. Not personally, but ethically. It is Jehovah they insult. They do not deserve, and neither should they have our feelings of remorse over being rejected by them. The fact that they do, is an indicator of the depth of deception and loyalty to them that we gave them, but it pales into insignificance when our family are coerced into rejecting us also. As you point out, we love Jehovah more, and it’s not possible to gain-say the importance of that fact in all that we do post departure from watchtower, coming to exercise our faith rather than lend it to the governing body. How could we, anyone, have faith in the governing body when they collude together to call Jehovah a liar through omission of food at the proper time ? It makes me think of Satan entering in, even into the presence of Jesus at the last supper, to take control of Judas. Nothing is sacred now.
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Hahaha!You're the only one that I know of. You're my 'letter of recommendation'.
How do people normally find this site then? I think it's quite well hidden..I have no idea. I found Robert so long ago (mid-aughts) that I can't remember how I did it. That would make a great thread: How did you discover the e-watchman websites?Hahaha!
BARNABY THE DOG.
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He just popped up on my TV during my search on ex-JW sites for ex JWs that did more than moan about watchtower and instead looked to the truth. I recall it well…..”aaaaand heeeere is your host, Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrobert Kiiiinnnngggg….” . I reached for the “off switch” because I was expecting some evangelical to arrive in a jet plane to heal people. But then a voice boomed out from heaven and told me to listen, so I put the remote down and did listen. It was literally like finding a pearl in a field…..ok, maybe I didn’t hear a voice from heaven just then but the rest is true. Robert started talking before I pressed the off switch in despair, and he sounded reasonable, so I listened. It was then that a voice boomed out from heaven and said “this is my you-tube channel and this is your last chance….”.