MESSAGE FROM PIMO BETHEL ELDER! [ COPY AND PASTE FROM REDDIT]

SollaSollew said:
Clueless and faithless is only the tip of the iceberg. Imagine being married to a so called servant of Jehovah for over 34 years and they simply walk away from the holy vow of marriage because you no longer believe in the GB. Then on top of that all your so called JW friend's just stonewall you with complete silence. It's beyond faithless it's evil.
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I’m so sorry to hear this 😢 Hope you’re okay.
 
SollaSollew said:
Clueless and faithless is only the tip of the iceberg. Imagine being married to a so called servant of Jehovah for over 34 years and they simply walk away from the holy vow of marriage because you no longer believe in the GB. Then on top of that all your so called JW friend's just stonewall you with complete silence. It's beyond faithless it's evil.
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totally evil. and just stupid too.
 
SollaSollew said:
Clueless and faithless is only the tip of the iceberg. Imagine being married to a so called servant of Jehovah for over 34 years and they simply walk away from the holy vow of marriage because you no longer believe in the GB. Then on top of that all your so called JW friend's just stonewall you with complete silence. It's beyond faithless it's evil.
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There will soon come a day when some of them, and hopefully your wife, will see their error and begin to ask you questions. There's a "MeToo" movement happening in Christendom currently, which if it gains momentum, could carry over to the WT. Once their lies are exposed, many JWs will wake up and realize they wrongly placed their faith in the WT instead of Jehovah and Jesus. Only the most stubborn, arrogant and unteachable will remain associated with the WT, as their apostasy will be undeniable.
 
Carl said:
Only the most stubborn, arrogant and unteachable will remain associated with the WT, as their apostasy will be undeniable.
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i agrée completely. i can’t quite figure out if he thinks the Gov Body is just innocently making massive blunders here? And they’ll eventually see new light or even just plain light that will guide them in the right direction? Sadly, (for JWs) that is not going to happen. The Gov Body is blood guilty, and shamefully unrepentant about its association with the United Nations. How do I know this? A saying that emerged from Watergate applies to the Gov Body- and this goes for all of the Gov Body’s/WT’s crimes- it’s not the crime it’s the coverup.
 
Nomex said:
I kept thinking "we are supposed to be bold, we as God's people are not cowards." Their entire approach, was one of confusion and desperation disguised as "guidance" when in reality they just did what the governments were telling people to do.
The glaring truth is the "authorities" do not have authority over our body's what we put in them, and what we put on them (masks), and the truth is what Romans 13 is really referring to is the fact that the governments have the power of force to enforce their "laws".

Romans 13: 3, For those rulers are an object of fear, not to the good deed but to the bad." We fear displeasing Jehovah not just because he can punish us but supposedly because we love him. vs 7 says "Render to all their dues:...to the one who calls for fear such fear..." Nothing in chapter 13 is their any call for reverence, but I have always interpreted more as a warning that Jehovah allows them authority, and as long as we don't give them any cause "for wrath" they won't bother us, but as vs one points out their position is relative, and so the question is "relative" to what? In other words their authority is not unlimited, and hiding behind "As long as it doesn't go against God's law we obey" but never really defining what that means, when so much of obeying Christ is done on principle and not "law"
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So many good points here. Authorities may or may not have power over our bodies, depending on who you ask lately. If you ask about abortion then the answer is no but they flip on a dime when it comes to covid injections, even in the face of logic and truth regarding the danger of them. Whether they truly have the authority over our bodies or not, they want it and that belongs to Jehovah. That's what this boils down to in the end time. Both Satan and the beast want what belongs to our God and it isn't mine to give. Any laws they may choose to pass, are really irrelevant when it comes to the human body and that to me, is the point of God's things to God. I've said before, whatever the mark proves to be, this is the conditioning exercise to reduce people's resistance. Before all of this, I never overthought vaccines. As an adult I chose not to have them because I considered them poison. As I left the Army, I vowed never again.

Your point about their authority and defining where that line actually is important. The governing body would have us believe that they hold the keys to deciding this but except for the blood issue, they still try to hold back from stating this outright. They dance around it by pointing out that "eeeeeeveeryone here at Bethel has had it" so that means it's safe. They are afraid to say it. Another side point is that it was proven true that governments offered money to churches to push the jabs.
Who gets to decide where the secular authority begins and ends? As the bible points out, they are granted authority at God's choice BUT, that doesn't make them right or righteous. This is the point that I keep reminding people in my life of, that these same authorities are about to turn on our God. Conditioning people to substitute government for God is part of the process and I've already written far more than I planned to so I apologize for that.
 
SollaSollew said:
Clueless and faithless is only the tip of the iceberg. Imagine being married to a so called servant of Jehovah for over 34 years and they simply walk away from the holy vow of marriage because you no longer believe in the GB. Then on top of that all your so called JW friend's just stonewall you with complete silence. It's beyond faithless it's evil.
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That’s very true. Silent condemnation, no access to redress, convicted without evidence, without remorse and without redemption. Forever marked. There are other forms of child abuse; causing mental distress and stigmatisation. It seems the watchtower has absolutely no idea of the harm they have done to families.
 
Asadour said:
what if they do know?
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The thought crossed my mind. I think that those such as the GB, having lived a sheltered life since being in the watchtower, have difficulty in understanding the expanse of the human mind. I understand some have had secular lives, but that does not necessarily denote insight, maturity and reasoning, I agree. The longer they have inwardly denied the life experiences of others, the less competent they are to comment. They “believe” the “love” issues of the bible, but appear unable to equate such with the application of issues of integrity, such as justice. Empty vessels the bible refers to them. Hollow. They have no insight or balance and respond to the moment. I learnt a lesson, a long time ago; ”There is no limit to the amount of harm you can achieve, when you think you are doing good.” And that is true. Worse, it can built on lies, or part-truths. I have difficulty thinking that the GB and their lackeys can be so stupid, careless and uninformed in their role of policing vulnerable seekers of truth as they do but the evidence is stacking up against them. My problem is that if I condemn them, I condemn myself. I was once of their ilk, their thinking, their ignorance. The misery they caused in my youth, still has its effect on me to this day. So I am not going to make the same mistake they made and return like for like. I didn’t understand. As individuals they may not understand. But they will get their chance the same as the rest of us and our response has yet to be tried. So I will (try to) limit myself to my general run of the mill sarcasm and mockery, lest I make myself as bad as them.
 
BARNABY THE DOG. said:
The thought crossed my mind. I think that those such as the GB, having lived a sheltered life since being in the watchtower, have difficulty in understanding the expanse of the human mind. I understand some have had secular lives, but that does not necessarily denote insight, maturity and reasoning, I agree. The longer they have inwardly denied the life experiences of others, the less competent they are to comment. They “believe” the “love” issues of the bible, but appear unable to equate such with the application of issues of integrity, such as justice. Empty vessels the bible refers to them. Hollow. They have no insight or balance and respond to the moment. I learnt a lesson, a long time ago; ”There is no limit to the amount of harm you can achieve, when you think you are doing good.” And that is true. Worse, it can built on lies, or part-truths. I have difficulty thinking that the GB and their lackeys can be so stupid, careless and uninformed in their role of policing vulnerable seekers of truth as they do but the evidence is stacking up against them. My problem is that if I condemn them, I condemn myself. I was once of their ilk, their thinking, their ignorance. The misery they caused in my youth, still has its effect on me to this day. So I am not going to make the same mistake they made and return like for like. I didn’t understand. As individuals they may not understand. But they will get their chance the same as the rest of us and our response has yet to be tried. So I will (try to) limit myself to my general run of the mill sarcasm and mockery, lest I make myself as bad as them.
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nobody said you had to be critical of them or condemn them but FFS stop dissembling and making excuses for them. it’s offensive.
 
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Asadour said:
nobody said you had to be critical of them or condemn them but FFS stop dissembling and making excuses for them. it’s offensive.
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I’m sorry if you find my comment offensive. It was not meant to be. I do not in any way excuse their behaviour, but I feel it wrong to sink to their level and return like for like. I do not talk without insight. I lost my children, wife, home and social standing via the watchtower. Far from dissembling, it was a very hard thought process to work through and rationalise. It may not be popular what I think, but I do have to make life endurable and maintain at least a semblance of accommodating the essence of being who I would like to be, rather than who I am according to the advice in the bible. It took me a while to work out what FFS stands for and I can assure you that it is not necessary to say that to me. Thanks.
 
BARNABY THE DOG. said:
I’m sorry if you find my comment offensive. It was not meant to be. I do not in any way excuse their behaviour, but I feel it wrong to sink to their level and return like for like. I do not talk without insight. I lost my children, wife, home and social standing via the watchtower. Far from dissembling, it was a very hard thought process to work through and rationalise. It may not be popular what I think, but I do have to make life endurable and maintain at least a semblance of accommodating the essence of being who I would like to be, rather than who I am according to the advice in the bible. It took me a while to work out what FFS stands for and I can assure you that it is not necessary to say that to me. Thanks.
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It's tempting to curse out & strike those who wronged us (such as the Org, religions of the world, the government, etc.). It makes sense why the Bible counsels us to return evil to no one but rather to use good. It's really hard though. I suppose that's why we have to keep praying.
 
Much like an awesome song you hear on the radio and then you come along that one swear word and you're like "noooooo why ruin a good song?" We got a good thing going here on this forum with a lot of wise people, truth loving people and new people finding it everyday. Its not just the abbreviation above I'm referring to, but I've seen other posts with curse words too. One single curse word could deter honest hearted people who are broken and searching and they may never return to the forum.
 
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Jess said:
Much like an awesome song you hear on the radio and then you come along that one swear word and you're like "noooooo why ruin a good song?" We got a good thing going here on this forum with a lot of wise people, truth loving people and new people finding it everyday. Its not just the abbreviation above I'm referring to, but I've seen other posts with curse words too. One single curse word could deter honest hearted people who are broken and searching and they may never return to the forum.
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Thanks for pointing this out. When I see it I feel the same way, yet I know I have done it too.
 
PJ54 said:
It's tempting to curse out & strike those who wronged us (such as the Org, religions of the world, the government, etc.). It makes sense why the Bible counsels us to return evil to no one but rather to use good. It's really hard though. I suppose that's why we have to keep praying.
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I absolutely agree. I condemn no one for their criticism of any of my comments because we all have our ways of dealing with our life experience. That is not an expression of “holier than thou”, just that I am done with hating. It consumes the soul. I know that for those that are guilty, they will get their reward, those who are stupid may well be forgiven their stupidity - I was probably both, but here I am with a now working knowledge of the truth, and certainly a much improved insight into Jehovah, and thus a relationship (I feel) that is certainly helpful to my faith. If it is so for me, then it must be so for others. All my children were abused through the machinations of watchtower and deal with the horrors of it to this day and I have to share their pain with them. Hope emerges. But I’m not going back to the impotent hate that cannot be resolved and I would advise others to try to achieve the same goal, for the simple reason that there is healing in it. Jehovah promises justice. Therefore by following that advice I have saved the continual bringing to mind of vengeance. I do not think I will even feel satisfaction at the demise of the unrepentant, just relief. I just want it all to end.
 
BARNABY THE DOG. said:
Therefore by following that advice I have saved the continual bringing to mind of vengeance. I do not think I will even feel satisfaction at the demise of the unrepentant, just relief. I just want it all to end.
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I hear ya. It just gets to the point where we just want relief. As for revenge, it reminds me of of the story "The Count of Monte Cristo". After the main character gets to satiate his vendetta against those who wronged him, at the end of the book there is no happy ending. Rather, it's unclear what lies ahead, but I just get the feeling of emptiness in the theme of the ending.
 
PJ54 said:
I hear ya. It just gets to the point where we just want relief. As for revenge, it reminds me of of the story "The Count of Monte Cristo". After the main character gets to satiate his vendetta against those who wronged him, at the end of the book there is no happy ending. Rather, it's unclear what lies ahead, but I just get the feeling of emptiness in the theme of the ending.
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Words of wisdom PJ. You’re right. No happy ending. The rewards of faith though will be so explicit at that time, I am sure those who remain faithful will feel the very hand of Jehovah on their shoulder. What will it be like. Who can fathom it.
 
PJ54 said:
I hear ya. It just gets to the point where we just want relief. As for revenge, it reminds me of of the story "The Count of Monte Cristo". After the main character gets to satiate his vendetta against those who wronged him, at the end of the book there is no happy ending. Rather, it's unclear what lies ahead, but I just get the feeling of emptiness in the theme of the ending.
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For the billions of times I have felt the anger of wanting revenge, I can tell you it never feels as righteous as you hoped for. Better to let it ride because even when people reap what they've sown, I never feel like I thought I would.
 
BagdadBill said:
I would like to see them get on their knees in the studio and repent, on camera. I'd like to believe that Jehovah can penetrate even their own hearts. I was listening to a pastor from a different religion yesterday. Sometimes I find some gems among them, but you have to navigate through their misbeliefs. He was speaking about Sodom and toward the end of his talk, he said that the hardest of hearts was not found in Sodom or the modern equivalent rather, in the people who have fallen away from God and the teachings of Jesus.
It's the kind of statement that sticks with me.
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Never going to happen, I know a brother here personally and he says his brother is an anointed christian and for years he has kept his distance from the GB , being in the truth but not going and he says many things that Robert has also said....Wayne the brother of the anointed one , (Greg) , said he was witness to some very bad actions or event of members of the GB and he confronted them and he was told to never mind and shut up about it or they would crush him and anyone he loved...now does that sound like a spirit anointed christians response ?
 
Back to True Worship said:
Never going to happen, I know a brother here personally and he says his brother is an anointed christian and for years he has kept his distance from the GB , being in the truth but not going and he says many things that Robert has also said....Wayne the brother of the anointed one , (Greg) , said he was witness to some very bad actions or event of members of the GB and he confronted them and he was told to never mind and shut up about it or they would crush him and anyone he loved...now does that sound like a spirit anointed christians response ?
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The bad thing is that if they weren’t so arrogant, people could forgive them being humans like the rest of us. But since the are on a very high horse and do things we would never even consider, we praise Jehovah for giving them the punishment they deserve.
 
Yes unlike David who repented at his sin when addressed by Nathan, they seem determined or wayward toward imitating Saul who made excuses for his wayward presumptuous acts. To tell the Worldwide brotherhood , that taking the vaccine amounted to faith in them as Jehovah's channel and that doing so would result in them "staying in the land of the living" because Jehovah wouldn't let the bethelites and all the branches get sick and die, because after all they had to provide spiritual food for the brotherhood....that was an outright ''testing"of Jehovah. In other words , Jehovah you have to do this.....Like the devil said to Jesus , if you are a son of God, hurl yourself down...for it is written...
In my viewpoint that is exactly what they have done....Tested Jehovah in the wrong way.
 
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