Vaccines From Jehovah. AGM part 1.

[Nomex]

I've been following "vaccines" for a long time. When the Disney measels outbreak happened, they found out almost everyone had been vaccinated for measles. But instead of concluding the vaccines must not work they say, "we need more vaccines." Becasue people have bought that garbage is how we have arrived where we are now. That and as I continue to point out, this really IS Satan's system. This is why I call these people "used car salesmen". Nobody would get anyway with these bold faced lies with anything else. And a little fear it seems is the missing ingredient to selling a lie. And the bigger the lie, the more people will believe it.

 

[4JahandChrist]

I think if anyone says anything to me about how great it is that the GB has pushed this vaccine, I'm just going to say. For something that is supposed to be a personal decision I think a lot of you don't know what that means. I'm also wondering if the vaccine doesn't protect you from unvaccinated people, what DOES it protect you from? By shunning unvaccinated people you admit you don't think this vaccine works.

It's amazing how people who consider themselves informed and intelligent can't see the pure simple logic of your point.

Us.. "Why did you get the Vaccine"?
Them..."To protect me from Covid"
Us "Well I'm not getting the Vaccine. "
Them "Well stay away from me you'll give me Covid"
Us "But you just said the Vaccine protects you from Covid"?
Them.... "Yes. It protects me and all those around me"
Us............"So why do you want me to stay away from you if you are protected from Covid"?.
Them..." I told you . You'll give me Covid and I could get sick or even die"
Us........." So the Vaccine doesn't protect you then?"
Them..."Look....the GB said Jehovah opened the doors to the Vaccine and that's good enough for me".
Us........" Really? Jehovah approves of the vaccine? Which Verse ?"
Them...

 

[SusanB]

….It's not just the safety of the Vaccines, it's also the spiritual and emotional turmoil that can be placed on the shoulders of people such as yourself who are already carrying a heavy burden in this system. Much of that could of been avoided with a simple and prudent stand of neutrality.

Mat 23:4 They tie onto people's backs loads that are heavy and hard to carry, yet they aren't willing even to lift a finger to help them carry those loads.

I thought I had made the adjustment for this betrayal but after thinking about the Annual Meeting and how they show “Sophia” with the bandaid on her arm and how they are encouraging young people and children to get the vaccine, I started crying again last night. I could hardly sleep. They are harming innocent ones. They have truly become a synagogue (Kingdom Hall) of Satan. This is murder and those supporting it, even unintentionally, share some guilt as well. It’s like watching a slow motion train wreck and not being able to stop it.

 

[4JahandChrist]

I thought I had made the adjustment for this betrayal but after thinking about the Annual Meeting and how they show “Sophia” with the bandaid on her arm and how they are encouraging young people and children to get the vaccine, I started crying again last night. I could hardly sleep. They are harming innocent ones. They have truly become a synagogue (Kingdom Hall) of Satan. This is murder and those supporting it, even unintentionally, share some guilt as well. It’s like watching a slow motion train wreck and not being able to stop it.

So so true. I am completely bewildered. You just articulated how I feel completely. I still don't know the answer. I will soon be taking another Internet and TV Sabbatical. The whole thing wears me down so much I sometimes can't bear to hear anymore. Apart from you wonderful people here, I have no one to talk to. I walk around town praying to myself about it....that's how much it has gotten into my head!!

 

[BagdadBill]

About to start work but attended a field service meeting on zoom for a half hour and it was nearly all listening to two elderly sisters lauding the vaccine and gb and that it's a test for when we receive the illogical instructions in the future etc I tried to restrain myself a lot and while I reacted honestly I restrained myself a lot to give them time to express themselves and not be rude finally I couldn't take it anymore when I saw the one sisters anger was aroused and had been steadily the whole time and I simply logged out in the middle of her pro GB nonsense. I didn't say it but my thought was I don't need to be lectured by non red pilled brothers and sisters that don't read 20,000 word patents on this technology. I even mentioned my sister took the jab and that's her own business to show just because id rather be sawed in half like Isaiah than take it doesn't mean I judge most who do.

I hope this doesn't come across as arrogant but, along with your comment about 20k word documents, I am struggling to get across to people how many hours I have logged doing research, listening to videos, audio and reading so as to be informed. Everything I say is a conspiracy. I need some new conspiracy theories because mine have all come true. They keep fiddling about, trying to say that their vaccine works but it doesn't work well, so then we need to take it also. I am reading Nomex' comment above as I type this and I've said it as well.
What is this vaccine good for? A British doctor who is in the news right now for going up against Sajid Javid. The doctor said the jabs give about 8 weeks protection. I think he's being generous because I think they do squat other than lower your immune system if not destroy it altogether.

Eventually I will be vindicated.

 

[BagdadBill]

So so true. I am completely bewildered. You just articulated how I feel completely. I still don't know the answer. I will soon be taking another Internet and TV Sabbatical. The whole thing wears me down so much I sometimes can't bear to hear anymore. Apart from you wonderful people here, I have no one to talk to. I walk around town praying to myself about it....that's how much it has gotten into my head!!

Just thought I should come clean on something. Having dreaded the great tribulation for so long, at one point I had considered taking the jabs in hopes that it might bump me off so I wouldn't have to live through it.

 

[4JahandChrist]

Just thought I should come clean on something. Having dreaded the great tribulation for so long, at one point I had considered taking the jabs in hopes that it might bump me off so I wouldn't have to live through it.

Along a similar line. I caught myself saying the other day "Oh well. My life aint exactly Roses and Chocolates...if I get the Jab and die....so what? Back for another tilt in the Resurrection and I'm out of this Cesspool "

Then I quickly rechecked myself and realized that I was not taking the Jab based on principle. There clearly is a Fraud going on. I cannot put Jehovah to the test by willfully putting something into my body that could not only harm me, but potentially alter my Chemistry in ways that I do not fully understand.

For me it's like Satan offering out the fruit. Would Jehovah want me to race into a medical experiment just so I can escape a bit of hardship? I picture myself rolling up my sleeve for the needle and I feel ill. I can't do it. Unless they come up with some major change to their current convoluted dialogue I'm going to have to stay put.

 

[SusanB]

Along a similar line. I caught myself saying the other day "Oh well. My life aint exactly Roses and Chocolates...if I get the Jab and die....so what? Back for another tilt in the Resurrection and I'm out of this Cesspool "

Then I quickly rechecked myself and realized that I was not taking the Jab based on principle. There clearly is a Fraud going on. I cannot put Jehovah to the test by willfully putting something into my body that could not only harm me, but potentially alter my Chemistry in ways that I do not fully understand.

For me it's like Satan offering out the fruit. Would Jehovah want me to race into a medical experiment just so I can escape a bit of hardship? I picture myself rolling up my sleeve for the needle and I feel ill. I can't do it. Unless they come up with some major change to their current convoluted dialogue I'm going to have to stay put.

Yes. It is Satan that wants us to give in or give up. It is real faith in our God that will help us endure. And the choices we make affect others. Jehovah’s arm is not too short.

 

[MuleJule]

“Sophia” with the bandaid on her arm and how they are encouraging young people and children to get the vaccine

Yes, it is so heartbreaking. I was hearing of people I know bragging about getting their young children jabbed as soon as it was approved. It made me want to scream. Then the other day we had a small outdoor family gathering and a close family member was holding his 8 yr old daughter and proudly telling us about taking her to get her injections, that she was sobbing because she didn't want to do it, but he told her that she was doing the right thing, showing unselfish love and that Jehovah was going to be so proud of her. (She actually rolled her eyes.) But I keep thinking about it & it makes me so incredibly sad.

Just thought I should come clean on something. Having dreaded the great tribulation for so long, at one point I had considered taking the jabs in hopes that it might bump me off so I wouldn't have to live through it.

My father said the exact same thing. He's been opposing the jabs from the beginning. With every GB update he texts me and says "what are you gonna do?" My answer is always the same. No way in H E double hockey sticks. He said the pressure in his congregation is unbearable. It's the only thing anyone talks about and he and my mother are the only ones holding out. They even had an in-person visit from their coordinator today, and he had to explain his stand. The bro said "do what you got to do." But dad says if we just go ahead and take it, and die, at least all this will be over and we will wake up on the other side without having to endure what's coming. I can't even believe it's gotten to the point that anyone would see the need to make statements like this. It's horrifying. Please, let's all pray for these ones like my parents who are so alone, enduring relentless pressure. I know they aren't the only ones.

Then I quickly rechecked myself and realized that I was not taking the Jab based on principle

Exactly my stand. And continuing from my conversation with my parents ^ I told them the decision is theirs of course, but I will personally not consent for any reason to something that violates my conscience and I am 100% convinced is demonic propaganda. It boils down to principle. I feel like you said, Satan is offering it. I am not taking the easy way out on this one. I will stand and fight for what I know is right. We all stand together

 

[Posstot]

By shunning unvaccinated people you admit you don't think this vaccine works.

The virtuous way of living a lie, lol.

 

[BagdadBill]

Yes, it is so heartbreaking. I was hearing of people I know bragging about getting their young children jabbed as soon as it was approved. It made me want to scream. Then the other day we had a small outdoor family gathering and a close family member was holding his 8 yr old daughter and proudly telling us about taking her to get her injections, that she was sobbing because she didn't want to do it, but he told her that she was doing the right thing, showing unselfish love and that Jehovah was going to be so proud of her. (She actually rolled her eyes.) But I keep thinking about it & it makes me so incredibly sad.

My father said the exact same thing. He's been opposing the jabs from the beginning. With every GB update he texts me and says "what are you gonna do?" My answer is always the same. No way in H E double hockey sticks. He said the pressure in his congregation is unbearable. It's the only thing anyone talks about and he and my mother are the only ones holding out. They even had an in-person visit from their coordinator today, and he had to explain his stand. The bro said "do what you got to do." But dad says if we just go ahead and take it, and die, at least all this will be over and we will wake up on the other side without having to endure what's coming. I can't even believe it's gotten to the point that anyone would see the need to make statements like this. It's horrifying. Please, let's all pray for these ones like my parents who are so alone, enduring relentless pressure. I know they aren't the only ones.

Exactly my stand. And continuing from my conversation with my parents ^ I told them the decision is theirs of course, but I will personally not consent for any reason to something that violates my conscience and I am 100% convinced is demonic propaganda. It boils down to principle. I feel like you said, Satan is offering it. I am not taking the easy way out on this one. I will stand and fight for what I know is right. We all stand together

You all are right of course. At some point in the future though, if Jehovah doesn’t send birds with food, I may have to burglarize Bill Gates house for something to eat.

 

[MuleJule]

You all are right of course. At some point in the future though, if Jehovah doesn’t send birds with food, I may have to burglarize Bill Gates house for something to eat.

I worry about it too. I even bought a book about foraging for food in the wild. lol. I think at some point we will just have to show our trust that Jehovah will care for our needs. It may be just enough to survive, but we have to prepare our minds and hearts for the possibility.

 

[4JahandChrist]

Yes, it is so heartbreaking. I was hearing of people I know bragging about getting their young children jabbed as soon as it was approved. It made me want to scream. Then the other day we had a small outdoor family gathering and a close family member was holding his 8 yr old daughter and proudly telling us about taking her to get her injections, that she was sobbing because she didn't want to do it, but he told her that she was doing the right thing, showing unselfish love and that Jehovah was going to be so proud of her. (She actually rolled her eyes.) But I keep thinking about it & it makes me so incredibly sad.

My father said the exact same thing. He's been opposing the jabs from the beginning. With every GB update he texts me and says "what are you gonna do?" My answer is always the same. No way in H E double hockey sticks. He said the pressure in his congregation is unbearable. It's the only thing anyone talks about and he and my mother are the only ones holding out. They even had an in-person visit from their coordinator today, and he had to explain his stand. The bro said "do what you got to do." But dad says if we just go ahead and take it, and die, at least all this will be over and we will wake up on the other side without having to endure what's coming. I can't even believe it's gotten to the point that anyone would see the need to make statements like this. It's horrifying. Please, let's all pray for these ones like my parents who are so alone, enduring relentless pressure. I know they aren't the only ones.

Exactly my stand. And continuing from my conversation with my parents ^ I told them the decision is theirs of course, but I will personally not consent for any reason to something that violates my conscience and I am 100% convinced is demonic propaganda. It boils down to principle. I feel like you said, Satan is offering it. I am not taking the easy way out on this one. I will stand and fight for what I know is right. We all stand together

I just got in from my Afternoon walk and clicked on your post. Thankyou so much for writing that. Very encouraging and so glad to see other Brothers and Sisters on the same page and standing firm in their conviction.

I really feel for your parents. It must be so hard for people in their situation as none of us I believe thought that the society would jump on board the Agenda so rapidly and in such a large way. I will be praying for your parents and thanks again for such a well written Post.

 

[MuleJule]

I just got in from my Afternoon walk and clicked on your post. Thankyou so much for writing that. Very encouraging and so glad to see other Brothers and Sisters on the same page and standing firm in their conviction.

I really feel for your parents. It must be so hard for people in their situation as none of us I believe thought that the society would jump on board the Agenda so rapidly and in such a large way. I will be praying for your parents and thanks again for such a well written Post.

Thank you for your prayers. What a blessing this forum has become. Just being able to express how I feel to people who can relate (even though I don't personally know any of you yet) keeps me from going insane. I absolutely love reading all the posts & comments, as you said it is encouraging.

It's becoming harder and harder for an "interchange of encouragement" to be possible via zoom meetings. I feel like this place is becoming my vehicle for adhering to Heb. 10:24, 25, as we are considering one another, inciting to love and fine works, meeting together and encouraging one another. Although I am certain I am receiving more than I am giving.

 

[BillyRay]

I'm going to sound like a cracked record but for me the course of wisdom for the ORG was to simply stay neutral. ..."Here are the Pros and Cons. It's an up to each individual to decide. The GB does not endorse any medical procedure" or words to that effect.

Respectfully neutrality at that juncture seems to be a Pollyannish viewpoint.

I have no doubt that some of the Watchtower leadership have genuine, caring feelings for the brothers and sisters at Bethel - wouldn’t you agree? So, is the Watchtower leadership, with a pandemic raging, and the terror it struck initially (millions will die), and the desire to try to save their brothers and sisters…. are they just supposed to sit back and say “Here are the Pros and Cons. It's an up to each individual to decide. The GB does not endorse any medical procedure.”?

I don’t think so. The feeling of desperation on their part must have been great.

Early on, the vaccine was the only real hope available on a wide spread scale. So they got to work trying to find vaccine to protect their brothers and sisters. And I’m sure that obtaining vaccines for all wasn’t free. At least not at that point.

Now, as time passed, and more and more information has come out about the vaccines and possible therapeutics, should their viewpoint have changed? I think a rational argument can be made in the affirmative.

But early on (which was what the broadcast was largely discussing) at the time they were trying to get everyone in their charge vaccinated. Considering the panic out there… (People we’re quarantining their packages and mail, and hoarding toilet paper for goodness sakes) I don’t see that effort as anything out of line.

What role that Jehovah actually played in all that? I can’t say.

 

[4JahandChrist]

Respectfully neutrality at that juncture seems to be a Pollyannish viewpoint.

I have no doubt that some of the Watchtower leadership have genuine, caring feelings for the brothers and sisters at Bethel - wouldn’t you agree? So, is the Watchtower leadership, with a pandemic raging, and the terror it struck initially (millions will die), and the desire to try to save their brothers and sisters…. are they just supposed to sit back and say “Here are the Pros and Cons. It's an up to each individual to decide. The GB does not endorse any medical procedure.”?

I don’t think so. The feeling of desperation on their part must have been great.

Early on, the vaccine was the only real hope available on a wide spread scale. So they got to work trying to find vaccine to protect their brothers and sisters. And I’m sure that obtaining vaccines for all wasn’t free. At least not at that point.

Now, as time passed, and more and more information has come out about the vaccines and possible therapeutics, should their viewpoint have changed? I think a rational argument can be made in the affirmative.

But early on (which was what the broadcast was largely discussing) at the time they were trying to get everyone in their charge vaccinated. Considering the panic out there… (People we’re quarantining their packages and mail, and hoarding toilet paper for goodness sakes) I don’t see that effort as anything out of line.

What role that Jehovah actually played in all that? I can’t say.

With a Pandemic "raging" and the Vaccine "the only real hope"?? Respectfully that sounds like melodramatic hyperbole. New Zealand and many countries have had death rates lower than regular garden variety flu. Why not give advice based on regional circumstances rather than a one size fits all strategy?

When the GB went bullish on the Vaccine in April 2021 they had a full year to explore all alternatives. They were not in a position of Ignorance with no alternative but to push the Jabs. For people under the age of 70 the fatality rate was documented as less than influenza A and B.

At the same time VAERS in America was already recording an alarming rate of reported Adverse Advents even as early as April.

Further to this rather than take into account the rising number of Adverse Events in the American, European and Australian reporting systems, the GB continued to double down on their Vaccine Roll out throughout 2021 with each update creating a greater urgency to get Vaccinated.

Now we have a situation in many places around the World where brothers have rushed out to take unproven experimental vaccinations in cities where there were ZERO cases.

Thousands of Doctors including PHD Professors such as Sucharit Bhakdi, Shankara Chetty were calling for a halt to mass MRNA vaccinations in late 2020 and into early 2021.

Informed Consent requires an open discussion of risks and benefits to the individual patient. Clearly this has not occurred. Brothers around the world have reported feelings of being Coerced and pressured....hardly a sign of Informed Consent.

You are more than welcome to take as many Jabs as you would like. I'm not actively opposed to JWs getting the vaccination as that is their individual choice.

But I strongly disagree that the GB had no choice in April 2021 to push the Jabs as the only hope. Doctor Shankara and other Frontlines doctors around the World had already treated thousands of patients with almost a 100% success rate with safe existing therapeutics. To suppress these medical alternatives undermines every solid Medical principle behind informed consent and some would argue borders on criminal medical misconduct.

 

[SusanB]

Respectfully neutrality at that juncture seems to be a Pollyannish viewpoint.

I have no doubt that some of the Watchtower leadership have genuine, caring feelings for the brothers and sisters at Bethel - wouldn’t you agree? So, is the Watchtower leadership, with a pandemic raging, and the terror it struck initially (millions will die), and the desire to try to save their brothers and sisters…. are they just supposed to sit back and say “Here are the Pros and Cons. It's an up to each individual to decide. The GB does not endorse any medical procedure.”?

I don’t think so. The feeling of desperation on their part must have been great.

Early on, the vaccine was the only real hope available on a wide spread scale. So they got to work trying to find vaccine to protect their brothers and sisters. And I’m sure that obtaining vaccines for all wasn’t free. At least not at that point.

Now, as time passed, and more and more information has come out about the vaccines and possible therapeutics, should their viewpoint have changed? I think a rational argument can be made in the affirmative.

But early on (which was what the broadcast was largely discussing) at the time they were trying to get everyone in their charge vaccinated. Considering the panic out there… (People we’re quarantining their packages and mail, and hoarding toilet paper for goodness sakes) I don’t see that effort as anything out of line.

What role that Jehovah actually played in all that? I can’t say.

Hi BillyRay, I have to respectfully disagree. First and foremost, our faith in Jehovah is what will save us, not a vaccine. What they did know for certain was that the vaccine was experimental. Should we be the lab rats? Sorry, for me this reasoning makes no sense. Way before the vaccines were available, we did hear about Ivermectin from Dr. Kory, who testified in public before the US Congress. I saw that testimony and I immediately began recommending it to people. Did the society not know what I knew and what was information in the public domain? I believe they did know. They have the best researchers available. They even had older printed articles in the Awake about the use of Ivermectin in treating river blindness. The bible clearly shows that the godly course of wisdom is to pray, trust in Jehovah and wait on him. They had clearly published literature about how we should not even influence others on medical advice. Jehovah’s principles are timeless. How much suffering could have been avoided by sticking to that advice! It seems like a lack of faith to me if they did just give in to fear or desperation. Were they trusting in their right arm? By the way, the vaccines always have been free and they still are. But if you or I get cancer, do you think the treatment is free? Is it really about saving lives?

Even after the deaths and disabilities among the friends, we are still seeing increased pressure from the GB to promote not only the vaccine, but now the boosters. And they have not exempted children but are using the subliminal message of a bandaid on Sophia’s arm. I think they have become the synagogue of Satan. There have been deaths and disabilities that are the cause of what they are currently doing by pushing the vaccine. And, I do think they spread unnecessary fear.

We can all come to our own conclusions but for me after looking at the evidence, this is a deliberate plan and a deliberate betrayal. When you speak of Watchtower leadership, I can only assume you mean the GB, who else would be in that group? We have videos by Herd, Lett, Loesch, Splane, Morris. That’s 5 and I think Herd’s reference to the vaccine was pretty innocuous. But with the Annual Meeting videos, I think they all mentioned the vaccine in one instance or another. Would no one stand up and make his opposition known after all of this? These are experienced brothers. I cannot imagine that they would not have the backbone to stand up to what is obviously killing people with very little short term benefit and worse has no long term benefit. If they are that weak, you have to wonder what bible they’ve been reading.

Sorry, but I have to say that I disagree.

 

[SusanB]

Here is a great link from Robert (which by the way did not influence my conclusions but does support them):

KINGDOM BULLETIN #19

Now that the Governing Body has implicitly endorsed the experimental mRNA injections, thereby tacitly recommending it to millions of Jehovah’s Witnesses, as a watchman these past 20 years it is incumbent upon me to make you aware of Jehovah’s judgments. First, though, let us consider a few...

e-watchman.com

 

[BagdadBill]

Respectfully neutrality at that juncture seems to be a Pollyannish viewpoint.

I have no doubt that some of the Watchtower leadership have genuine, caring feelings for the brothers and sisters at Bethel - wouldn’t you agree? So, is the Watchtower leadership, with a pandemic raging, and the terror it struck initially (millions will die), and the desire to try to save their brothers and sisters…. are they just supposed to sit back and say “Here are the Pros and Cons. It's an up to each individual to decide. The GB does not endorse any medical procedure.”?

I don’t think so. The feeling of desperation on their part must have been great.

Early on, the vaccine was the only real hope available on a wide spread scale. So they got to work trying to find vaccine to protect their brothers and sisters. And I’m sure that obtaining vaccines for all wasn’t free. At least not at that point.

Now, as time passed, and more and more information has come out about the vaccines and possible therapeutics, should their viewpoint have changed? I think a rational argument can be made in the affirmative.

But early on (which was what the broadcast was largely discussing) at the time they were trying to get everyone in their charge vaccinated. Considering the panic out there… (People we’re quarantining their packages and mail, and hoarding toilet paper for goodness sakes) I don’t see that effort as anything out of line.

What role that Jehovah actually played in all that? I can’t say.

I've said it a few hundred times so once more won't hurt. They aren't vaccines. They are a concoction designed to alter your mRNA. That is what they do. For some reason, when I say that, the reality of what that means never seems to register. They aim to tamper with the roadmap of our bodies. These people see themselves as gods and the GB know this.

 

[Nomex]

The virtuous way of living a lie, lol.

I have given so much thought to the ability of people in the world to be deceived. When you take the first lie Satan ever told, "You positively will not die" and to this day everyone except Jehovah's Witnesses believe that very lie, that you really do not die because we have an immortal soul. No matter what you told all most all people who believe that lie, even showing them evidence from the Bible they still will not have their "deeply entrenched belief over turned". The same thing is true here. And it is made worse by the fact that we have learned so many truths brought to us by "Jehovah's Organization." But is it really that hard to believe that even God's organization can deceive us when it is led by men who have the very same imperfections the Sadducee' and Pharisee's had? Was the Jewish system NOT Jehovah's Organization? Were not ALL the truths they knew come from the Jewish system? But behold is not the "heart treacherous above all else?" So what does that mean? It means that our ability to be deceived is directly in proportion to our ability to be humble. We refuse to admit we are deceived because of our pride. It takes incredible humility to admit we have been deceived, so how much more so would it take to admit you have been wrong about something, and therefore deceived someone based on that wrong understanding. (Let alone an entire "nation" of God's people the way the GB have decieved themselves and God's sheep.) Incidentally, we belong to Jehovah and Christ NOT unsealed imperfect men who it is impossible for them NOT to make mistakes. Another lie by the implication of "this is Jehovah's channel" and complete LACK of humility!

I have been re-evaluating what that scripture means where Jesus said, "you will know my disciples if you have LOVE among yourselves." Jesus disciples were all Jews at the time, and they had not changed religions by following Christ. They were expecting him and expecting the messiah to be a Jew, rightly so. That was the promise Jehovah made Abraham. So what does it mean to be Christ's followers? First and foremost love. Is judging our brothers love? This newest vaccine garbage and the treatment of those of us who see this betrayal as the last straw is really just another in a long list of judgements Jehovah's Witnesses so cavalierly display. A few years back a friend of mine had a relative die who was disfellowshiped. I mentioned this to an elder and he indicated she would NOT be resurrected because she was disfellowshipped when she died. Is that loving? Certainly not. Would you want that brother "to pour oil on your head"? NO! How wide spread is this attitude among the elders? Too widespread!

Bottom line the most serious problem in the congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses is humility and love, it really boils down to those two things!