BagdadBill
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Is there a Doris Day marathon going on one of the TV channels somewhere?
Update on meeting with the Elders 12/28/21
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Carl
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The only people who leave this forum are those who are confrontational and lack the ability to humble themselves. I'll refer to a recent example of when I felt slighted by a comment by BillyRay. When I responded, I didn't attack, I just pointed out how I felt insulted. Instead of replying defensively, he was gracious and kind, and I gained a brother. He apologized for any misconception his comment implied and didn't do the old, "sorry, BUT." It's not easy to feel slighted and turn the other cheek, but Jesus said we must do just that. You don't seem to grasp this command, and thus you continue to attack those you feel slighted you. You're also a tad self-righteous, judgmental and passive aggressive. I gave you the benefit of the doubt before, but enough is enough already. JWs who come here and are able to remain meek and humble, while using LOVE to guide their comments, tend to stick around. Those who dwell on the inevitable negative situations that will ALWAYS and EVERYWHERE happen, use this as an excuse to move on. I find this forum uplifting and beneficial to my spiritual health.
Jess
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It is a catchy little song for sure with a good message.
Ms_ladyblue
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Oh yeah now I understand why @BagdadBill mentioned Doris Day marathons!
I remembered years ago a CO and his wife had lyrics to the tune of that song. It was entitled ‘Pioneer My Dear!‘
The lyrics were to the tune of that song Que Sera Sera 🎶
( Now I’m going to have that tune in my head all day! 😀) 🎶
Serenity
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@Carl So did I at one time. The ones that I know of who no longer participate or who've moved on neither lacked humility, nor were they confrontational. I'm not the only one who is aware of and brought attention to these issues, just not usually on the open forum. And, some find everything confrontational, like Jah-Son pointed out, "so defensive". As many did in Jesus day. They found fault with what the perfect Son of God said. So, of course people will find fault with imperfect words of imperfect people. Especially if they don't like or agree with those words or viewpoints.
Of course, Carl, you will have few or no issues here. You've left the organization. Those who've left and are no longer JWs fit right in here. It's those who haven't who are often hassled, like Proverbs; not being anti-Watchtower enough, or gov body bashing enough, so faced the gauntlet.
I personally do not believe the "injections" are the "disgusting thing", and according to my understanding, neither does Robert King. That seems to be a matter of private interpretation.
As stated, the ones that I know of who no longer participate or who've moved on neither lacked humility, nor were they confrontational.
1) As one of them stated, "I’m staying off for a while as something very strange going on here, I have friends who are saying Jehovah’s spirit is not here so I guess time will tell…"
2) Another stated, "I don't get to see all the threads but a couple of weeks ago [name omitted] was being attacked by [name omitted] and [name omitted] was cheering on and i contacted [omitted] to offer my support so i hope [omitted] is alright. When i messaged [name omitted] I told [omitted] my view was that there were a lot of apostates running amok on the forum and to be careful. I watch and observe mostly so I can work out who is who in the zoo, unfortuantely most are fierce and out to stumble others. I also told [name omitted] that i attend meetings (on zoom of course) and will continue to do so some people get in a rage over that but "out " themselves and some people do not like it because they have left a long time ago but never went back. I do not believe that we are meant to leave. We have to trust in Jehovah to sort out the many sins of the organisation in his time, his way.... I am maybe not aware of all the different threads, but very aware of lots of the players, and i know what happened.... [name omitted] answers in a measured way in [omitted] posts and that drives [them] insane."
3) Another said, " I came looking for Jehovah but I didn't find him there."
These are statements from 3 different persons, so its not just me who sees it. Bible principle: At the testimony of two or three, let every matter be established as true. And this is just a sample. There are many, who do not voice on open forum what they really see and think. In fact, most who feel this way do not speak of it for obvious reasons.
Most just exit quietly, and don't point to the obvious elephant in the room. But ignoring the obvious doesn't mean it isn't there. To pretend there isn't a problem is just "gaslighting", no different than the issues that have stumbled many, as Jah-Son pointed out.
Jah-Son saw it the injustice to Proverbs as well. There are none so blind as those who will not see, as the saying goes. Proverbs was not even a new member for one day and did nothing wrong, other than as Jah-Son stated, use the wrong form of a word by mistake. So, I see, nothings changed, its actually gotten worse.
Of course, Carl, you will have few or no issues here. You've left the organization. Those who've left and are no longer JWs fit right in here. It's those who haven't who are often hassled, like Proverbs; not being anti-Watchtower enough, or gov body bashing enough, so faced the gauntlet.
I personally do not believe the "injections" are the "disgusting thing", and according to my understanding, neither does Robert King. That seems to be a matter of private interpretation.
As stated, the ones that I know of who no longer participate or who've moved on neither lacked humility, nor were they confrontational.
1) As one of them stated, "I’m staying off for a while as something very strange going on here, I have friends who are saying Jehovah’s spirit is not here so I guess time will tell…"
2) Another stated, "I don't get to see all the threads but a couple of weeks ago [name omitted] was being attacked by [name omitted] and [name omitted] was cheering on and i contacted [omitted] to offer my support so i hope [omitted] is alright. When i messaged [name omitted] I told [omitted] my view was that there were a lot of apostates running amok on the forum and to be careful. I watch and observe mostly so I can work out who is who in the zoo, unfortuantely most are fierce and out to stumble others. I also told [name omitted] that i attend meetings (on zoom of course) and will continue to do so some people get in a rage over that but "out " themselves and some people do not like it because they have left a long time ago but never went back. I do not believe that we are meant to leave. We have to trust in Jehovah to sort out the many sins of the organisation in his time, his way.... I am maybe not aware of all the different threads, but very aware of lots of the players, and i know what happened.... [name omitted] answers in a measured way in [omitted] posts and that drives [them] insane."
3) Another said, " I came looking for Jehovah but I didn't find him there."
These are statements from 3 different persons, so its not just me who sees it. Bible principle: At the testimony of two or three, let every matter be established as true. And this is just a sample. There are many, who do not voice on open forum what they really see and think. In fact, most who feel this way do not speak of it for obvious reasons.
Most just exit quietly, and don't point to the obvious elephant in the room. But ignoring the obvious doesn't mean it isn't there. To pretend there isn't a problem is just "gaslighting", no different than the issues that have stumbled many, as Jah-Son pointed out.
Jah-Son saw it the injustice to Proverbs as well. There are none so blind as those who will not see, as the saying goes. Proverbs was not even a new member for one day and did nothing wrong, other than as Jah-Son stated, use the wrong form of a word by mistake. So, I see, nothings changed, its actually gotten worse.
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Carl
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The problem as I see it are those active JWs who try to defend an organization that I and many others feel is apostate due to all things COVID. There are many here who remain inside, yet are awake to the apostasy, and don't defend it. Some left as soon as they perceived the disguising thing, while others are waiting on Jehovah. I imagine there were some in 70AD who left Jerusalem 1 day prior to the Romans arrival, but many here don't want to take that chance... while others feel emotional pain by remaining inside. We're all different and equally loved whether inside or out. As for Proverbs, he/she was too impatient and unloving to remain, so good riddance. Nomex apologized for his reply, and received a dagger for his apology instead of love.
BARNABY THE DOG.
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I’m lost on this one. What do you reckon she is on about this time. I know I shouldn’t ask but I’m intrigued.
Serenity
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These that I speak of are not ones defending the organizations errors and sins, nor do I do so, nor was Proverbs. These are ones sighing and groaning over the detestable things being done in "Jerusalem". These are ones doing their best to endure to the end, to continue serving Jehovah despite all Satan's stumbling blocks, and to leave things in Jehovah's hands to correct matters, which no one else can do. Yet, they are persecuted, misjudged, condemned, and falsly accused of all manner of evil things. Matt. 5:11. And, there have always been false brothers (Judas #1) in Christ's congegation, and false teachers and teachings, after Christ's ascention, and will be until he comes as a refiner and a laundryman to "clean house". Revelation 2-3. That does not mean its not Christ's congregation, as many conclude.
I had so-and-so blocked for a long time. That situation was brought to light because of the problem, which continued to surface, was one which I felt needed addressing. However, it was my mistake in my idealistic mind to imagine that anything would ever change, and it hasn't. And it won't. Human nature is the same as in Jesus day. People are exactly the same, only worse as the end of all things has drawn close. The gate is narrow and cramped. Its the few who actually find and follow it and make it into the true "land of the living". Matthew 7:14.
"Before [the] statute gives birth to [anything], [before the] day has passed by just like chaff, before there comes upon YOU people the burning anger of Jehovah, before there comes upon YOU the day of Jehovah’s anger, seek Jehovah, all YOU meek ones of the earth, who have practiced His own judicial decision. Seek righteousness, seek meekness. Probably YOU may be concealed in the day of Jehovah’s anger." Zeph. 2:2-4
I had so-and-so blocked for a long time. That situation was brought to light because of the problem, which continued to surface, was one which I felt needed addressing. However, it was my mistake in my idealistic mind to imagine that anything would ever change, and it hasn't. And it won't. Human nature is the same as in Jesus day. People are exactly the same, only worse as the end of all things has drawn close. The gate is narrow and cramped. Its the few who actually find and follow it and make it into the true "land of the living". Matthew 7:14.
"Before [the] statute gives birth to [anything], [before the] day has passed by just like chaff, before there comes upon YOU people the burning anger of Jehovah, before there comes upon YOU the day of Jehovah’s anger, seek Jehovah, all YOU meek ones of the earth, who have practiced His own judicial decision. Seek righteousness, seek meekness. Probably YOU may be concealed in the day of Jehovah’s anger." Zeph. 2:2-4
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BARNABY THE DOG.
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That is quite interesting. I felt the watchtower was, not necessarily apostate, but simply corrupt. It is rather like hopeful politicians who genuinely want to help society, but soon find out it’s not about meeting social issues, but greed and avarice, and if you don’t want to join them, then you’re a goner. I never really saw genuine love amongst the brothers. It may have been there, maybe. I saw some who had concern for others and were genuine. In retrospect though, I cannot see how a true sense of love could exist or be enhanced when the message and remit of the watchtower was in itself, based on a lie. One cannot build love on a lie. That principle just cannot be applied in its essence. Having said that, I would not think for one minute that I have anything greater to offer, but what I can say is the those who attend here are honest hearted, and I think that that alone, is true to the message to an extent, far greater than that which is seen in the watchtower. Who can actually claim to have a semblance of the attribute of love that could hold a candle to the genuine article as expressed by Jesus? None. But the point is to at least try and to accommodate others in their struggle. Unfortunately, that is very difficult to accommodate if one is constantly affronted by the shortcomings of others. In reality, that is the main feature here, in that we all at least try to enjoy the good in each other and are interested in the ways of each other in seeking fellowship. The site is a spiritual gold mine, but gold has to first be dug up, then refined, then smelted, then hammered into shape, then crafted by the artisan. Hopefully, we will one day be able to wear the ring of marriage to Jehovah’s idea of love.
Ms_ladyblue
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BTD
Well, she’s trying to say that just as ‘Jesus was accused of every falsehood they could think of, made false assumptions, baseless accusations’ and so on…‘that’s what unrighteous judgement is’
She’s implying that those on the forum are giving her the same treatment as Jesus was given. That’s called…playing the victim or a more fitting word would be….the martyred witness.
BARNABY THE DOG.
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Comparing her self inflicted trials to that of Jesus. She must be going through a lot of hardship. I feel sad for her.
Ms_ladyblue
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I’ll say….she’s going through something alright! To see what she’s posting on this forum, in her mind, her hardship is our posting all these horrible comments that’s making her feel persecuted.
Oh! the torture! The pain of it all! Aggh!!!😫 😱 😩
Oh, I’m sorry y’all, I must’ve forgotten myself for just a minute. 🤭
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Serenity
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It can be said that pursing the path of a true Christian, a true follower of Christ, is a self-inflicted trial. One could always just give up and quit and find some relief from trials, albeit temporary. Many have done so, many will do so. Many will be stumbled.
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Jess
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I dunno what's going on here anymore but its looks like its becoming a scripture battle to me. As we all know, any scripture can be twisted to fit ones view points. I just think the intention behind sharing a scripture is what is most important. Is the sharing of a scripture to prove yourself right/to be passive aggressive or is it to be loving and to encourage? I think we all could could take some time to turn to Corinthians and let this thread die. Hope you all have a wonderful weekend 💛
Serenity
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"Let's not become the very thing we came here to flee from. Wouldn't that be sad and ironic." Jah-son.
It is very sad, and quite ironic indeed. Worse, actually, when ones say "we see". I thought I'd find better here.
“If you were blind,” Jesus replied, “you would not be guilty of sin. But since you claim you can see, your guilt remains.” John 9:41
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Serenity
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Is the intention behind the mocking and riddiculing to be loving and to encourage? (rhetoricle)
Is it acceptable to mock and ridicule, but not acceptable to use scripture to show them what they are doing? (Also rhetoricle, no response required)
They are mean girls, and they know it. And they love it that way!
The Scriptures and Jesus, the Beattitudes, state simple truths, the reader can interpret as they wish.
I keep trying to end it, but the monkey poo keeps on flying. They love doing that you know.
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Jess
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I wish you the best Bible Student. I apologize that I spell checked your writing. That was my mistake and I did not execute self control. Now can we let this thread die.
Serenity
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No problem. I looked it up and that's what came up. I haven't used my French in years. I do love Doris Day though, and that song.
And @BagdadBill , I do wish there was a Doris Day marathon going on, she was great, and clean.
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SusanB
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Hi BTD, I love your comment and what I have found on this forum is there are people who are willing to apologize and work to get along. Not everyone but actually I have found many. That is the difference. In order to get along one must be able to “let go” and not intentionally stir the pot as Robert King has mentioned before. But we should, and on this forum most do, encourage peace while respecting differing opinions. Not agreeing with someone is not the same as insulting them. But even if there is an insult an apology goes a long way with a person who values peaceful relations and has true brotherly love. To me when I see someone not accept another person’s apology that means they have serious issues. James 2:13: “For the one who does not practice mercy will have his judgment without mercy. Mercy triumphs over judgment.”
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