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SusanB
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Sorry I wasn’t referring to you Nomex. I think your comments have been very reasonable.
Nomex
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OK, cool. I just wanted to make sure, because I do speak my mind but I don't want to offend anyone, not on purpose anyway.
MuleJule
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I just wanted to say thank you to everyone for sharing your personal experiences with the sickness, and also what you are seeing happening with the jabs, shedding, etc. I am really looking forward to Citrine's first hand documentation. All these accounts help us all make sense of what's going on. We need this support group because we are a minority! I personally know very few people who don't bow to the jabs / CDC etc.
I think most of us landed on this forum because of the GB's response to covid. Our intuition told us something is very wrong. Our conscience prodded us to research and to find others to confirm our feelings. We have benefited greatly by sharing openly here, and by allowing others to express their feelings / findings.
Sadly though, no matter how much we research, no matter what this doctor says, or these scientists claim, who can we really trust 100%? Anyone can be bought to say anything. The entire system is rigged and this has been planned by the secret rulers for a long time. The internet is intentionally a web of confusion and lies, mixed in with bits of truth.
I spent 2020 and 2021 watching videos and reading articles about the plandemic, virus vs terrain (and although terrain makes more sense to me personally, there are still things I don't understand about covid, like contagion. Please don't hate me for saying that
). There is something more sinister about this. This is not like the flu or virus of the past. This is an advanced bio-weapon. I have to remind myself that I have been indoctrinated from birth to believe what mainstream medical, science, education and media have pounded into my head. I have been unlearning these lies for about 20 years now. I have a pretty extensive list of traumatic experiences with doctors that sent me down that rabbit hole a long time ago. I haven't been to a doctor since, other than giving birth and that was the worst trauma, 40 hours of labor with no pain meds. I even have a broken finger from 18 years ago, that's still broken. (My name "Mule" Jule... stubborn to a fault).
Also I have learned that the mind and body are NOT SEPARATE. Mainstream medicine treats them like they are. Our thoughts, our emotions our stress ALL affect our health more than most of us realize. German New Medicine is a great research project. Also Holistic psychology has improved my life and relationships 100% in the past year. But yeah, I still got covid, twice. And I'm healthy, and eat clean, and go outside a lot.... so....
What I have learned the most in these last few years is this... I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING. I thought I knew it all. I had the truth, all the answers. I conducted Bible studies and acted like I knew everything. I was so blessed and so smart. Wow. That one crashed and burned. So did about a dozen other things that I thought I understood well. But I have opened my mind to receive alternative information that changes my previously held beliefs. I have learned and accepted as possible some things that many folks on here would probably burn me at the stake for. (LOL, just kidding, I know y'all are more open-minded than most.) But really, if we are going to keep learning and keep growing, we have to let go of the things we were programmed to believe and open our minds to other possibilities, even if they seem ridiculous at the moment. The things I have learned humbled me and proved to me that for most of my life I was in darkness and knew nothing. That's why I will not argue or be dogmatic about anything anymore (except perhaps proving the GB are not Jehovah's channel).
In the words of Socrates -
“THE ONLY TRUE WISDOM IS IN KNOWING YOU KNOW NOTHING.”
Remain humble and appreciate the fact that you don’t know everything. What you do have, and must strive to retain, is the desire and ability to continually learn, ask questions, and grow, both inwardly and outwardly. Thankfully, one’s search for knowledge has no end as there is always something new to learn, giving one’s life meaning and purpose. The choice, however, is yours to make.
I think most of us landed on this forum because of the GB's response to covid. Our intuition told us something is very wrong. Our conscience prodded us to research and to find others to confirm our feelings. We have benefited greatly by sharing openly here, and by allowing others to express their feelings / findings.
Sadly though, no matter how much we research, no matter what this doctor says, or these scientists claim, who can we really trust 100%? Anyone can be bought to say anything. The entire system is rigged and this has been planned by the secret rulers for a long time. The internet is intentionally a web of confusion and lies, mixed in with bits of truth.
I spent 2020 and 2021 watching videos and reading articles about the plandemic, virus vs terrain (and although terrain makes more sense to me personally, there are still things I don't understand about covid, like contagion. Please don't hate me for saying that
). There is something more sinister about this. This is not like the flu or virus of the past. This is an advanced bio-weapon. I have to remind myself that I have been indoctrinated from birth to believe what mainstream medical, science, education and media have pounded into my head. I have been unlearning these lies for about 20 years now. I have a pretty extensive list of traumatic experiences with doctors that sent me down that rabbit hole a long time ago. I haven't been to a doctor since, other than giving birth and that was the worst trauma, 40 hours of labor with no pain meds. I even have a broken finger from 18 years ago, that's still broken. (My name "Mule" Jule... stubborn to a fault).Also I have learned that the mind and body are NOT SEPARATE. Mainstream medicine treats them like they are. Our thoughts, our emotions our stress ALL affect our health more than most of us realize. German New Medicine is a great research project. Also Holistic psychology has improved my life and relationships 100% in the past year. But yeah, I still got covid, twice. And I'm healthy, and eat clean, and go outside a lot.... so....
What I have learned the most in these last few years is this... I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING. I thought I knew it all. I had the truth, all the answers. I conducted Bible studies and acted like I knew everything. I was so blessed and so smart. Wow. That one crashed and burned. So did about a dozen other things that I thought I understood well. But I have opened my mind to receive alternative information that changes my previously held beliefs. I have learned and accepted as possible some things that many folks on here would probably burn me at the stake for. (LOL, just kidding, I know y'all are more open-minded than most.) But really, if we are going to keep learning and keep growing, we have to let go of the things we were programmed to believe and open our minds to other possibilities, even if they seem ridiculous at the moment. The things I have learned humbled me and proved to me that for most of my life I was in darkness and knew nothing. That's why I will not argue or be dogmatic about anything anymore (except perhaps proving the GB are not Jehovah's channel).
In the words of Socrates -
“THE ONLY TRUE WISDOM IS IN KNOWING YOU KNOW NOTHING.”
Remain humble and appreciate the fact that you don’t know everything. What you do have, and must strive to retain, is the desire and ability to continually learn, ask questions, and grow, both inwardly and outwardly. Thankfully, one’s search for knowledge has no end as there is always something new to learn, giving one’s life meaning and purpose. The choice, however, is yours to make.
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Ms_ladyblue
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AGREEDThat is a valid question and I don't claim to have a definitive answer. What I do know is that as Nomex stated earlier in the thread, there are some serious holes in the virus theory narrative that leave me questioning it completely. I think that the virus contagion narrative ultimately seeks to place the blame for our personal health consequences onto others and ends up blaming Jehovah for creating the deadly viruses in the first place. Shifting the blame is the Devil's game. I for one, can't accept that. I was taught to take responsibility for my actions or lack thereof and deal with the consequences. I don't blame others when I get "sick". I thank Jehovah that he designed my body in a way that it can purge itself of toxins, as uncomfortable as that process can be at times. And then I look back at what "I" did to cause toxic overload leading to the need for my body to detoxify so that "I" can make the needed adjustments to maintain "my" health. Most of the time it's due to poor diet, excessive stress or toxic environment.
That being said, I tend to lean toward the terrain theory when it comes to cause of most disease. Yes, I'm one of those crazy people that Driven warned you about who questions the Rockafeller created big pharma's virus scam. You can look up terrain theory if you're not familiar. Terrain theory removes the need to blame others and brings health back to self responsibility. I believe most disease is caused by toxicity of one kind or another. The human body responds to that toxicity in various ways, thanks to the ingenious design of our creator. I'm not claiming that toxicity cannot come from outside sources. In fact, what we call "Covid" could very well be caused by some environmental toxicity (radiation exposure) as I believe probably derived from certain toxins within recent flu vaccines (toxic chemicals and metallic nanoparticles).
Case in point, in the small country that I live, initially we had very few cases or deaths that were attributed to covid. Even as the rest of the world was seeing rates climbing. Our borders were still open at the time. We really didn't see any significant numbers until...you guessed it, a few months after the rollout of the injection campaign and the numbers proceeded to skyrocket. This same scenario was played out in numerous countries.
Finally, to answer your question about contagion (why do I get sick after my husband), there are simple observable comparisons as to why this happens.
First of all, it doesn't always happen, does it? Why not? Do you tend to yawn when you see or hear your husband yawn? Yawning virus! Do you tend to get hungry or sleepy at the same time that others do? Hunger virus! When 2 woman live together or work closely day after day, do not their menstrual cycles synchronize? Menstrual virus! Why do all of the trees in the forest die off in the fall at the same time? Do they have an annual virus that kills them off? Do we not call it, flu "season"? I think you get the point. You were taught, as was I, that other people make us sick. Have you ever questioned that theory?
If you care to dig deeper here is an interview of some people much more versed and credentialed than I, discussing the subject. If you're open, give it a listen. You may come away with a new point of view. That's how we grow. That's why most of us are here. To grow.
% Jah-son! And doesn’t the fact that our bodies were created that way bring glory to Jehovah?When I first learned about terrain theory, I was amazed because I thought it all made so much sense! I use to always question if we could transmit sickness to others.
We had four children in our household, six, counting the two of us and we were hardly ever all sick at or around the same time. I would especially take note of this because either I or my husband would have the flu, and how much closer can you be than to your spouse and sleeping in the same bed. One of us sick but the other wouldn’t get sick and yet neither me nor him would transmit the flu to each other.
I admit some come down with the flu but it can be for other reasons.
The way Jehovah created us was GOOD just as everything else he created was good. Why would he create us to cause others to get sick? NO…man is the one who’s brought about a lot of the root causes of sickness in various ways as well as the other things you listed. Jehovah made us in such a way that we would be able to purge all the toxins from our body whenever there is a need.
That’s why we can truthfully say that our bodies are a miracle of life.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts and the video Jah-son. I’ve listened to Kaufman, Cowan, and Bailey for a while now. And these doctors use to believe in germ theory too. Many doctors and people in general are starting to look more into terrain theory now. I think the tide is starting to turn as far as how many are seeing the truth…what the reality is, IMO.
Although, without the germ theory for Big Pharma to rely upon, the contagious myth that is so brainwashed into people, the medical profession would have nothing to stand on and would topple like a house of cards.
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Citrine
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Thank you.I just wanted to say thank you to everyone for sharing your personal experiences with the sickness, and also what you are seeing happening with the jabs, shedding, etc. I am really looking forward to Citrine's first hand documentation. All these accounts help us all make sense of what's going on. We need this support group because we are a minority! I personally know very few people who don't bow to the jabs / CDC etc.
I think most of us landed on this forum because of the GB's response to covid. Our intuition told us something is very wrong. Our conscience prodded us to research and to find others to confirm our feelings. We have benefited greatly by sharing openly here, and by allowing others to express their feelings / findings.
Sadly though, no matter how much we research, no matter what this doctor says, or these scientists claim, who can we really trust 100%? Anyone can be bought to say anything. The entire system is rigged and this has been planned by the secret rulers for a long time. The internet is intentionally a web of confusion and lies, mixed in with bits of truth.
I spent 2020 and 2021 watching videos and reading articles about the plandemic, virus vs terrain (and although terrain makes more sense to me personally, there are still things I don't understand about covid, like contagion. Please don't hate me for saying that
Also I have learned that the mind and body are NOT SEPARATE. Mainstream medicine treats them like they are. Our thoughts, our emotions our stress ALL affect our health more than most of us realize. German New Medicine is a great research project. Also Holistic psychology has improved my life and relationships 100% in the past year. But yeah, I still got covid, twice. And I'm healthy, and eat clean, and go outside a lot.... so....
What I have learned the most in these last few years is this... I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING. I thought I knew it all. I had the truth, all the answers. I conducted Bible studies and acted like I knew everything. I was so blessed and so smart. Wow. That one crashed and burned. So did about a dozen other things that I thought I understood well. But I have opened my mind to receive alternative information that changes my previously held beliefs. I have learned and accepted as possible some things that many folks on here would probably burn me at the stake for. (LOL, just kidding, I know y'all are more open-minded than most.) But really, if we are going to keep learning and keep growing, we have to let go of the things we were programmed to believe and open our minds to other possibilities, even if they seem ridiculous at the moment. The things I have learned humbled me and proved to me that for most of my life I was in darkness and knew nothing. That's why I will not argue or be dogmatic about anything anymore (except perhaps proving the GB are not Jehovah's channel).
In the words of Socrates -
“THE ONLY TRUE WISDOM IS IN KNOWING YOU KNOW NOTHING.”
Remain humble and appreciate the fact that you don’t know everything. What you do have, and must strive to retain, is the desire and ability to continually learn, ask questions, and grow, both inwardly and outwardly. Thankfully, one’s search for knowledge has no end as there is always something new to learn, giving one’s life meaning and purpose. The choice, however, is yours to make.
Nomex
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Ok...I love, love this post. But I am going to make an observation, a clarification. What you learned did not humble you. You learned what you learned because you were humble. I read Dale Carnegie's book "Think and Grow Rich" when I was a young man. He had a saying in that book he repeated over and over again, "a man changed against his will is of the same mind still." It reminds me of when the Bible says Jehovah hardened the heart of Pharaoh. He actually let Pharaoh be who0 he was, hard hearted and unmovable. I have come to understand that what the bible means when it says something like this, when you take into account freewill, Jehovah does not interfere with how he created our minds. Therefore, "God created Pharaoh so he could chose to harden his heart. Therefore God hardened his heart.
So here's the short version....you learned all of this just like the rest of us, because we were humble enough to first of all think we might be wrong, and secondly, admit we were wrong!
Citrine
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Oh my goodness Nomex! I twice threw away both How to Win Friends and Influence People AND Think and Grow Rich! I clearly knew better than these “worldly reasoning” even when they were given to me as gifts! Such arrogance on my part! When I finally read them and cleared away the F.O.G. known as Fear Obligation and Guilt we went to multiple six figures per year much to the chagrin of our friends in the congregation. Anyway money is just energy - we’re nothing special. More on that later. So much fun info to explore but it’s late here. - night!
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MuleJule
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Great clarification Nomex. True about humility leading to learning. I haven't always been humble for sure. I've been learning about ego, and that's also been quite enlightening and transforming, and has also allowed me to view everyone's unique opinions and experiences as valid.
I actually always questioned that account about Pharaoh... if he had free will then why would Jah make him act in a certain way. But it does make sense that since Jehovah allowed him to choose that course, it could be said that HE hardened pharaoh's heart. Thanks for that. Don't you sometimes wish the Bible would just simply state the point being made. lol
Nomex
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I still have them both...LOL. Somewhere. At least i think I do. Napoleon Hill... I loved that book.
Nomex
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Jehovah makes us figure it out to find out what we are made out of!!!!!! LOL. It's the only way to make sense of so many things in the Bible. We have to think about it. Reading it doesn't mean we are thinking about it. It's really what mediating means. We take what we know, and make it make sense. It never made sense to me either, "Jehovah hardened Pharaoh's heart." Then he didn't have free will, unless he did? Paradox indeed! Because that scripture never made sense to me, is why I knew the verse in Rev 17:17 meant something else besides what it "says". Because that verse also says, it's their "one thought" In other words, it's what they want to do. Why would God allow 6,000 years of suffering, and then after all this time just stop it unless they do something like what Jesus described, the GT!!??
JW's literally think the GT is going to be some miraculous intervention of God destroying religion, that he forces man's governments to do. Right now they are all chomping at the bit waiting for Russia the KON to suddenly ...do WHAT exactly????!!!???? Suspend all operations and unite the whole world, China, NATO, yes the west, in destroying all religion! The Millions of Muslims, Christians, most of them their own people, Buddhists, billions of Chinese ... That's what's going to happen!!!??? It's absurd! And even if that was what is going to happen, it's not going to happen, "tomorrow". Complete and total lunacy! Nothing they think will happen is going to happen! The absurdity is NOT, that Jehovah can't do it, the absurdity is thinking he's going to do what they think...now...and why he's waited this long since 1914. All the prophecies have been fulfilled back 108 years ago. Except for what is it, 3?
No none of it makes any sense. Make no mistake, I do think it is all about to happen. That's for another thread perhaps.
I was using the word " coward" in general, not aimed at any specific person. Otherwise, I would of quoted you. I felt like it is extremely important to mention cowardice as having courage is underrated by many and it's a requirement to stand firm and not give into fear. I keep this scripture in mind. Rev: 21:8 "But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”
And this Proverbs 28:1: "The wicked flee when no one pursues, but the righteous are bold as a lion."
Holding back on preaching in person because of fear of the virus is a sign of cowardice. Even great men of faith had bouts of cowardice, like Jonah. His change of thought and his courage helped save Nineveh.
And this Proverbs 28:1: "The wicked flee when no one pursues, but the righteous are bold as a lion."
Holding back on preaching in person because of fear of the virus is a sign of cowardice. Even great men of faith had bouts of cowardice, like Jonah. His change of thought and his courage helped save Nineveh.
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Awwe no Absolutely not nomex. You're awesome too. Very kind and respectful. Love your comments.
CyndiaS
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Pinky-swear! Or I give you my pinky-yes-means-yes! Tee hee heeI’m gonna make everyone on here pinky swear we’ll still be friends after I post it!
MuleJule
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I must have missed the part of this thread about cowardice, but I wanted to give my 2 cents on the subject since my attitude has evolved. I agree it's necessary to speak your truth with boldness, despite how difficult that may be.
However, my view of "preaching" has been significantly altered over this past year. My perception of what is "Truth" seems to be constantly changing and updating as I unlearn and relearn. I no longer feel that the preaching work endorsed by the org is sanctioned or supported by Jehovah. It's clear they are rogue and dare I say in deliberate opposition to Jehovah.
That being said, joining in the door to door organized preaching is out of the question for many of us on here, and it's not a matter of lack of courage. It's a matter of integrity. I am personally working on my courage to speak publicly against the wrongs of the org, but for now I am taking baby steps and reaching out to encourage strangers online, on forums like this and Reddit where some have lost their faith in Jehovah due to what's being done in his name. This is a transition period for many of us here, and Jehovah knows what position we are in. He is just, loving, merciful and patient, qualities we need to display with ourselves and others.
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That is a valid question and I don't claim to have a definitive answer. What I do know is that as Nomex stated earlier in the thread, there are some serious holes in the virus theory narrative that leave me questioning it completely. I think that the virus contagion narrative ultimately seeks to place the blame for our personal health consequences onto others and ends up blaming Jehovah for creating the deadly viruses in the first place. Shifting the blame is the Devil's game. I for one, can't accept that. I was taught to take responsibility for my actions or lack thereof and deal with the consequences. I don't blame others when I get "sick". I thank Jehovah that he designed my body in a way that it can purge itself of toxins, as uncomfortable as that process can be at times. And then I look back at what "I" did to cause toxic overload leading to the need for my body to detoxify so that "I" can make the needed adjustments to maintain "my" health. Most of the time it's due to poor diet, excessive stress or toxic environment.
That being said, I tend to lean toward the terrain theory when it comes to cause of most disease. Yes, I'm one of those crazy people that Driven warned you about who questions the Rockafeller created big pharma's virus scam. You can look up terrain theory if you're not familiar. Terrain theory removes the need to blame others and brings health back to self responsibility. I believe most disease is caused by toxicity of one kind or another. The human body responds to that toxicity in various ways, thanks to the ingenious design of our creator. I'm not claiming that toxicity cannot come from outside sources. In fact, what we call "Covid" could very well be caused by some environmental toxicity (radiation exposure) as I believe probably derived from certain toxins within recent flu vaccines (toxic chemicals and metallic nanoparticles).
Case in point, in the small country that I live, initially we had very few cases or deaths that were attributed to covid. Even as the rest of the world was seeing rates climbing. Our borders were still open at the time. We really didn't see any significant numbers until...you guessed it, a few months after the rollout of the injection campaign and the numbers proceeded to skyrocket. This same scenario was played out in numerous countries.
Finally, to answer your question about contagion (why do I get sick after my husband), there are simple observable comparisons as to why this happens.
First of all, it doesn't always happen, does it? Why not? Do you tend to yawn when you see or hear your husband yawn? Yawning virus! Do you tend to get hungry or sleepy at the same time that others do? Hunger virus! When 2 woman live together or work closely day after day, do not their menstrual cycles synchronize? Menstrual virus! Why do all of the trees in the forest die off in the fall at the same time? Do they have an annual virus that kills them off? Do we not call it, flu "season"? I think you get the point. You were taught, as was I, that other people make us sick. Have you ever questioned that theory?
If you care to dig deeper here is an interview of some people much more versed and credentialed than I, discussing the subject. If you're open, give it a listen. You may come away with a new point of view. That's how we grow. That's why most of us are here. To grow.
Love your post Jah-son and thank you for the fabulous video.
Dr. Kaufman was on this farce from the get go and one of the first doctors I listened to. What he explained so thoroughly then and which made complete sense is still what he explains today. He hasn’t shifted his way of thinking.
He came across as intelligent, caring and utterly logical. This was in 2020.
I don’t believe this ‘made in a lab’ story that started surfacing then had the whole world clamouring to hear more on that. We have so many distractions thrown at us but that’s what they do. Wanting us chasing our tails while they sit back and laugh at us. If a doctor comes forward with such understanding and knowledge of a topic and shares that knowledge with us which as I said makes so much sense and is easy for the lay person to comprehend, he deserves to be heard.
It all seems pretty easy to understand. Simple even. I sometimes think that’s the whole point of all this nonsense. It’s so simple yet they’d prefer their ‘controlled opposition’ to flood the masses with complicated garbage while they bring in their NWO behind our backs. It’s all a game to them afterall
Soul sage I understand and agree about speaking the word of God with boldness and courage, and I've done that for 30 plus years!!! This isn't a matter of being in fear of man! Or not wanting to preach for fear I might catch a cold from someone, lol jeez!!! People have gotten very sick and have died with covid, it's a serious sickness that is being passed from person to person every single day STILL ! I know from reading many Bible passages through the years that Jehovah expects us to value our lives as well as the lives of others and to not take unnecessary risks. Would it be very loving on my part to knock on a householders door and later learn I infected them with covid? I'm sure that wouldn't bring praise to jehovah.
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Ms_ladyblue
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goldie I really understand your concern. Thinking about the way people have been about this ‘virus‘ over the past 2+ years have made them so fearful. But I was also thinking how so many people feel about JW’s coming to our door and whether or not we would even ‘transmit’ anything to them, we would never really know. However, it’s been a known fact that those who’ve taken the vaccine have come down with covid, and I mean a large number of them. Plus we also know the PCR test weren’t supposed to be used for diagnosing any disease, but most people don’t know that. So if a householder did get covid through the shots it’s possible JW’s could be falsely blamed for such.
My other thought is whenever Jesus laid out his prophecy about the time of the end, one of the signs given was pestilences, but at the same time tell us to go preach the good news. While Jehovah and Jesus would know how this would be taking place, would he not have given us some indication or warning knowing that we would be coming in contact with people?
Just a thought…
I don't know lady blue, I'm just so confused about everything. I don't even know what I'm doing anymore. The updates woke me up and now I'm just kind of feeling lost, confused and wondering if satan is just trying to pull me away, or is there really some bad things going on with the org. Just wish I knew for sure , or had concrete proof.
Lisa-Lisa
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Should I say BFF? or to use a quote...... "We are all in his together" Bring it on!!!I’m gonna make everyone on here pinky swear we’ll still be friends after I post it!