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BARNABY THE DOG.
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Great idea.
Melinda
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Thanks great nugget of Truth! I passed it on to several friends.
jay
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Love it.
SusanB
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Great talking point. Just start a discussion with the lies being told today whether by media, big pharma or whatever your ”householder” is interested in and then ask that question about the first lie being one that is still believed by billions on earth. Awesome! Thank you.
TheJehuChariot
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Robert this is great, keep em up! You remind me of a wild, crazy, genius professor with bed head in this video! Sort of like Doc in Back to the Future!
What about the part where it says, do not fear those who kill the body but can't kill the spirit rather fear the one who is able to throw both into Gehenna? (Matthew 10:28)
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SusanB
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Hi Given, To understand the bible correctly, we must allow the bible to harmonize. If we see something that is out of harmony with the rest of the bible, then we should examine whether or not we have the correct understanding,
Here is a quote from Insight on the Scriptures, volume 1, pages 616-617, under “everlasting destruction”.
“The Bible does not indicate that all the dead will be resurrected. Jesus implied this when he spoke of “those who have been counted worthy of gaining that system of things and the resurrection from the dead.” (Lu 20:35) The possibility of eternal destruction for some is also indicated by Jesus’ words at Matthew 10:28: “Do not become fearful of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul; but rather be in fear of him that can destroy both soul and body in Gehenna.” Regarding this text, The New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology (edited by C. Brown, 1978, Vol. 3, p. 304) states: “Matt. 10:28 teaches not the potential immortality of the soul but the irreversibility of divine judgment on the unrepentant.” Also, Bauer’s Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament (revised by F. W. Gingrich and F. Danker, 1979, p. 95) gives the meaning “eternal death” with reference to the Greek phrase in Matthew 10:28translated “destroy both soul and body in Gehenna.” Thus, being consigned to Gehenna refers to utter destruction from which no resurrection is possible”.
What about it? Jesus did not imply that there is an immortal soul. On the contrary. He said God could terminate a person permanently, whereas men can only kill us and cannot prevent our resurrection. That is what Gehenna symbolizes--- permanent death, no resurrection.
Soul is not immortal I agree, all am suggesting is that it can continue living unconscious of surroundings, up until Jehovah decides to give it a body to decode really or decides to destroy it completely i.e throw to Gehenna.
Living unconsciously? How does that work exactly? How would an unconscious soul know it was living? And what would be the point?
To Jehovah all are living for he is not the God of dead but of the living
(Luke 20:38)He is a God, not of the dead, but of the living, for they are all living to him.”
I Understand your point of view.
(Luke 20:38)He is a God, not of the dead, but of the living, for they are all living to him.”
I Understand your point of view.
The God Pill
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Psychopanychism averts the star trek teleporter problem unlike thnetopsychism. Thnetopsychism is no different from the secular transhumanist perspective.
Not true. Only those in God's memory are alive to him. But you should consider the context. Jesus was talking about the resurrection. If the dead were not dead why would they be resurrected? The dead are living to God because God and God alone can bring them back from the dead. That is what a resurrection is, a return to life from a state of death.
That is the whole point of being unconscious the soul doesn't get to feel its presence, it only exits as frequency or data in Jehovahs book of life or data storage.
Okay, sure. You're dead but you got a little residual frequency buzzing around. Sure. Why not?
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Yeah only those in Jehovahs memory are alive to him I know. How can they be alive at the same time dead? What is resurrected is the body hence Jesus said Lazarus was asleep to Jehovah he was still living.
The God Pill
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The way I'd describe the psychopannychist form of christian Mortalism is souls end up in sheol, the spirit goes to Jehovah. Soul=Biohologram data folder stored in electromagnetic field etc there is no life without spirit the soul dies and remains dead till the ressurection but there's a distinction between Soul death and annihilation. What this means is the ressurection is authentic rather than Jehovah constructing simulcra (copy without original) mere molecular copies with imprinted memories that aren't technically the people that died as while the soul died and was unconscious the folder was not annihilated it and the reconstructed body animated at the ressurection by the spirit thereby the person having retained a measure of continuity of existence (not life) that means the identity is genuinely retained etc. The consciousness of neither the body nor the soul can be sustained without the spirit only Jehovah and those he grants immortality have life within themselves human bodies and souls Participate in life by means of the spirit when its present sustaining them.
BagdadBill
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What I am about to say may in fact be a good idea for a new thread, but I won't start it. What is with this need or tendency to argue even when there is no actual argument? I've been noticing it for a lot of years. Not in everyone but some people just feel the need to be contrary, even when they know they agree with what you're saying.
Let me give an example. A week ago I'm riding along with the fella I work with. Christmas decorations have been popping up since before Turkey day. One of us makes a comment and I don't recall what it was. This guy tenses up every time I mention God. I finally had to say to him that he doesn't need to make a federal case out of it if I say thank God or something God related. I pointed out that I am not throwing down the gauntlet. It's just who I am. Give glory to God while you still can, right?
Back to Xmas. He makes a comment and I follow up with the truth we all know which is that the date of Jesus birth is unknown.
Of course, he has to reply "That isn't true". He wants to argue about something that isn't even arguable. How many times do I have to do this? That's what I'm thinking at the time. I nipped it in the bud this time because I am just tired of people who want to argue, even when there is no argument. I demanded that he quote a scripture or admit that he was wrong. Of course he tries to mention the shepherds in the field, which is a JW talking point if anything.
I looked at him and thank Captain Obvious. Then I asked why he had to try and refute what I said, knowing that I was going by scripture.
You see, he is a 32nd degree Mason. I think that's like a triple black belt or something. They know who we are full and well.
My point though, is why try to invent ideas or statements that just aren't there?
God kept things basic and even as such, the bible takes time to understand. Worse if you have nobody to help you navigate. I've said it before. Watchtower teaches the truth regarding the basics of our faith and there is no equal in this world. At least it was true in the 1980s.
Now I don't know what they are doing but the basic truths are still the same. Don't muddy it up with speculation or ideas that cannot be backed up by scripture.
If Jehovah says dead, he means dead. If you're still existing elsewhere in some other form, that is NOT dead. This is the very first lie and sin ever committed in the universe.
Let me give an example. A week ago I'm riding along with the fella I work with. Christmas decorations have been popping up since before Turkey day. One of us makes a comment and I don't recall what it was. This guy tenses up every time I mention God. I finally had to say to him that he doesn't need to make a federal case out of it if I say thank God or something God related. I pointed out that I am not throwing down the gauntlet. It's just who I am. Give glory to God while you still can, right?
Back to Xmas. He makes a comment and I follow up with the truth we all know which is that the date of Jesus birth is unknown.
Of course, he has to reply "That isn't true". He wants to argue about something that isn't even arguable. How many times do I have to do this? That's what I'm thinking at the time. I nipped it in the bud this time because I am just tired of people who want to argue, even when there is no argument. I demanded that he quote a scripture or admit that he was wrong. Of course he tries to mention the shepherds in the field, which is a JW talking point if anything.
I looked at him and thank Captain Obvious. Then I asked why he had to try and refute what I said, knowing that I was going by scripture.
You see, he is a 32nd degree Mason. I think that's like a triple black belt or something. They know who we are full and well.
My point though, is why try to invent ideas or statements that just aren't there?
God kept things basic and even as such, the bible takes time to understand. Worse if you have nobody to help you navigate. I've said it before. Watchtower teaches the truth regarding the basics of our faith and there is no equal in this world. At least it was true in the 1980s.
Now I don't know what they are doing but the basic truths are still the same. Don't muddy it up with speculation or ideas that cannot be backed up by scripture.
If Jehovah says dead, he means dead. If you're still existing elsewhere in some other form, that is NOT dead. This is the very first lie and sin ever committed in the universe.
The God Pill
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I agree the Watchtower for all its recent faults is incomparable as far as accuracy as a denomination.
This is my last post in the thread don't mind being a bit eccentric here but I'm with you on opposing people manifesting arbitrary or compulsive contrarianianism and I have no desire for contention on any topic or thread. I agree with everyone on the first lie is repeated and embraced by billions through the two forms of immortal soul doctrine 1. Mainstream Christendom nonsense 2. Reincarnation nonsense my post here are on the two forms of mortalist views.
Never hesitate to let me and people know if we annoy you in any way brother same with anyone.