Is knowledge a weapon and possession over others?

BARNABY THE DOG.

Well-known member
Socrates:

“The only wisdom is in knowing that you know nothing.

I cannot teach anybody anything.

Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle.

Wonder is the beginning of Wisdom.”

And finally, perhaps the best reason to quit fighting over ownership of knowledge in this sanctuary of Truth…Isaiah, 40:

”Who has measured the waters in the hollow of his hand, or with the breadth of his hand, marked off the heavens? Who has held the dust of the earth in a basket or weighed the mountains on the scale…Who can fathom the spirit of Jehovah. ….Surely the nations are like a drop in a bucket; they are regarded as dust upon the scales.“
 

Watchman

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Jesus sent his disciples into the world to teach people the truth. So, apparently, people are teachable, some of them anyway. The problem is, the Watchtower claims to be the ultimate arbitrator of what is true. And that wouldn't even be a problem if everything they teach were true. But as we know, it is not. So, my war will continue until either the day of Jehovah commences or I am no longer able to carry on.
 

Ana

Well-known member
1 Cor.13
13 Si no tengo amor, de nada me sirve hablar todos los idiomas del mundo, y hasta el idioma de los ángeles. Si no tengo amor, soy como un pedazo de metal ruidoso; ¡soy como una campana desafinada!

2 Si no tengo amor, de nada me sirve hablar de parte de Dios y conocer sus planes secretos. De nada me sirve que mi confianza en Dios me haga mover montañas.

3 Si no tengo amor, de nada me sirve darles a los pobres todo lo que tengo. De nada me sirve dedicarme en cuerpo y alma a ayudar a los demas.

4 El que ama tiene paciencia en todo, y siempre es amable.

El que ama no es envidioso, ni se cree más que nadie.

No es orgulloso.

5 No es grosero ni egoísta.

No se enoja por nada.

No se pasa la vida recordando lo malo que otros le han hecho.

6 No aplauden a los malvados, sino a los que hablan con la verdad.

7 El que ama es capaz de aguantarlo todo, de creerlo todo, de esperarlo todo, de soportarlo todo.

8 Sólo el amor vive para siempre. Llegará el día en que ya nadie podrá de parte de Dios, ni se podrá en idiomas extraños, ni será necesario conocer los planos secretos de Dios. 9 Las profecías, y todo lo que ahora conocemos, es imperfecto. 10 Cuando llegue lo que es perfecto, todo lo demás se acabará.
 

evw

Well-known member
Socrates:

“The only wisdom is in knowing that you know nothing.

I cannot teach anybody anything.

Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle.

Wonder is the beginning of Wisdom.”

And finally, perhaps the best reason to quit fighting over ownership of knowledge in this sanctuary of Truth…Isaiah, 40:

”Who has measured the waters in the hollow of his hand, or with the breadth of his hand, marked off the heavens? Who has held the dust of the earth in a basket or weighed the mountains on the scale…Who can fathom the spirit of Jehovah. ….Surely the nations are like a drop in a bucket; they are regarded as dust upon the scales.“
this is wonderfully said, thank you 1670421952954.png
 

evw

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Jesus sent his disciples into the world to teach people the truth. So, apparently, people are teachable, some of them anyway. The problem is, the Watchtower claims to be the ultimate arbitrator of what is true. And that wouldn't even be a problem if everything they teach were true. But as we know, it is not. So, my war will continue until either the day of Jehovah commences or I am no longer able to carry on.
please keep on going 1670422136876.png
 

LifeLearning

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Jesus sent his disciples into the world to teach people the truth. So, apparently, people are teachable, some of them anyway. The problem is, the Watchtower claims to be the ultimate arbitrator of what is true. And that wouldn't even be a problem if everything they teach were true. But as we know, it is not. So, my war will continue until either the day of Jehovah commences or I am no longer able to carry on.
I see the teaching as being from the Spirit. The disciples went teaching the kingdom message, and that message is Christ. It is up to the individual to seek further, not the disciples teaching to convince anyone.

I may have this wrong... I encourage further teaching :) ... but we have to learn it based on faith in the Word of God, not teaching of men. True learning means having the teaching written in the heart. It is ultimately our own responsibility to get it right and not participate in what is wrong (much of the watchtower doctrine).

The watchtower priests teach Christ and the lie at the same time. It is our true seeking that leads to the knowledge carefully concealed in the Christ, currently being exposed by Watchman, who could not stop even if he wanted to.
 

SusanB

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Jesus sent his disciples into the world to teach people the truth. So, apparently, people are teachable, some of them anyway. The problem is, the Watchtower claims to be the ultimate arbitrator of what is true. And that wouldn't even be a problem if everything they teach were true. But as we know, it is not. So, my war will continue until either the day of Jehovah commences or I am no longer able to carry on.
Proverbs 24:16: “For the righteous one may fall seven times, and he will get up again, But the wicked will be made to stumble by calamity.”

The way I understand the above scripture is that both the righteous and the wicked stumble and fall but what makes imperfect men “righteous” is that they get up again and don’t quit trying. Certainly we all want to not only “get up” after we fall but we want to encourage our fellow man to stay in the race and get up if they stumble. The way to effectively assist others is through prayer, pray for God’s spirit and imparting knowledge from God’s word, because that builds hope. Hope in what is true can provide the motivation and strength to get up again.
 

BARNABY THE DOG.

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Jesus sent his disciples into the world to teach people the truth. So, apparently, people are teachable, some of them anyway. The problem is, the Watchtower claims to be the ultimate arbitrator of what is true. And that wouldn't even be a problem if everything they teach were true. But as we know, it is not. So, my war will continue until either the day of Jehovah commences or I am no longer able to carry on.
The remark I made, just to be clear, was in response to the slanging exchange by some in the article you shut down. I think the majority here, welcome the topical arguments made over scripture and the allied world events, but for the large part is carried out with humour, candour, brilliant contributions to bible knowledge and relevance in our everyday quest for truth, but peaceable said, with good humour, striking regard for the correspondents feelings and insight and of course, regard in Truth for the owner of that knowledge and humour, Jehovah and Jesus. My intent, as it always was and remains, having stumbled upon this site some years ago, is to defend your work in explanation of the Truth - something that has turned my faith around 360 degrees from watchtower and given me insight into truth. This has no earthly value that can be gauged in human terms because it is insight into the Creator - something that cannot be valued as it is priceless. It is also a gift from the creator. It is clear therefore that people do learn that here and learn it they must by Holy Spirit. The conveyance of truth is through spirit, and it’s conveyance into our realm of existence is through those whom Jehovah chooses, just as the bible says, in carrying out His will. Is this not so?

I apologise if you thought I was making a remark on your actions of closure in the slanging match going on in the previous posting, I was most defiantly not. My remark was simply illustrative of the situation of one calling another out in terms we can do without. We own what we learn. That is faith. The gift of understanding is given us by Jehovah alone. That is undeniable. That is worth defending, just as you say. The site and readership given to you - I too will defend that to the end - as also will, it seems, every one else here do - and for me at least, their understanding and sharing is Life blood to us all. I hate to see it abused when our little idiosyncrasies should be valued and cherished. That is basically what I meant to say, as I did not wish to make the matter this deep, and introspective but perhaps I should have explained it fully at the time, but I was inhibited by my feelings of drawing undue attention to the matter. I thought the bible and the earthiness of Socrates sufficient. 👍. Keep on doing what you do Brother Robert. Do not ever stop.
 

Ana

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El comentario que hice, para que quede claro, fue en respuesta al intercambio de insultos de algunos en el artículo que cerró. Creo que la mayoría aquí, da la bienvenida a los argumentos de actualidad sobre las Escrituras y los eventos mundiales relacionados, pero en su mayor parte se llevan a cabo con humor, franqueza, contribuciones brillantes al conocimiento de la Biblia y relevancia en nuestra búsqueda diaria de la verdad, pero dijo pacíficamente, con buen humor, notable respeto por los sentimientos y perspicacia correspondientes y, por supuesto, respeto en Verdad por el dueño de ese conocimiento y humor, Jehová y Jesús. Mi intención, como siempre fue y sigue siendo, después de haber tropezado con este sitio hace algunos años, es defender su trabajo en la explicación de la Verdad, algo que ha cambiado mi fe en 360 grados y me ha dado una idea de la verdad. Esto no tiene un valor terrenal que pueda medirse en términos humanos porque es una percepción del Creador, algo que no puede valorarse porque no tiene precio. También es un regalo del creador. Está claro, por lo tanto, que la gente aprende eso aquí y debe aprenderlo por el Espíritu Santo. La transmisión de la verdad es a través del espíritu, y su transmisión a nuestro ámbito de existencia es a través de aquellos a quienes Jehová escoge, tal como dice la Biblia, en el cumplimiento de Su voluntad. ¿No es así? en el cumplimiento de Su voluntad. ¿No es así? en el cumplimiento de Su voluntad. ¿No es así? También es un regalo del creador. Está claro, por lo tanto, que la gente aprende eso aquí y debe aprenderlo por el Espíritu Santo. La transmisión de la verdad es a través del espíritu, y su transmisión a nuestro ámbito de existencia es a través de aquellos a quienes Jehová escoge, tal como dice la Biblia, en el cumplimiento de Su voluntad. ¿No es así? en el cumplimiento de Su voluntad. ¿No es así? en el cumplimiento de Su voluntad. ¿No es así? También es un regalo del creador. Está claro, por lo tanto, que la gente aprende eso aquí y debe aprenderlo por el Espíritu Santo. La transmisión de la verdad es a través del espíritu, y su transmisión a nuestro ámbito de existencia es a través de aquellos a quienes Jehová escoge, tal como dice la Biblia, en el cumplimiento de Su voluntad. ¿No es así? en el cumplimiento de Su voluntad. ¿No es así? en el cumplimiento de Su voluntad. ¿No es así? ¿No es así? en el cumplimiento de Su voluntad. ¿No es así? ¿No es así? en el cumplimiento de Su voluntad. ¿No es así?

Me disculpo si pensé que estaba haciendo un comentario sobre sus acciones de cierre en el combate de calumnias que se desarrolló en la publicación anterior, definitivamente no lo hice. Mi comentario fue simplemente ilustrativo de la situación de uno llamando a otro en términos de los que podemos prescindir. Somos dueños de lo que aprendemos. Eso es fe. El don de entendimiento nos lo da solo Jehová. Eso es innegable. Eso vale la pena defenderlo, tal como dices. El sitio y el número de lectores que se les ha brindado, yo también lo defenderé hasta el final, al igual que, al parecer, todos los demás aquí lo harán, y al menos para mí, su comprensión y el compartir es sangre vital para todos nosotros. Odio ver que se abuse de nosotros cuando nuestras pequeñas idiosincrasias pueden ser valoradas y apreciadas. Eso es básicamente lo que quise decir, ya que no quería profundizar tanto en el asunto, e introspectivo, pero tal vez debería haberlo explicado completamente en ese momento, pero estaba inhibido por mis sentimientos de llamar la atención indebida sobre el asunto. Pensé que la Biblia y la terrenalidad de Sócrates eran suficientes.👍. Sigue haciendo lo que haces, hermano Robert. No te detengas nunc

El comentario que hice, para que quede claro, fue en respuesta al intercambio de insultos de algunos en el artículo que cerró. Creo que la mayoría aquí, da la bienvenida a los argumentos de actualidad sobre las Escrituras y los eventos mundiales relacionados, pero en su mayor parte se llevan a cabo con humor, franqueza, contribuciones brillantes al conocimiento de la Biblia y relevancia en nuestra búsqueda diaria de la verdad, pero dijo pacíficamente, con buen humor, notable respeto por los sentimientos y perspicacia correspondientes y, por supuesto, respeto en Verdad por el dueño de ese conocimiento y humor, Jehová y Jesús. Mi intención, como siempre fue y sigue siendo, después de haber tropezado con este sitio hace algunos años, es defender su trabajo en la explicación de la Verdad, algo que ha cambiado mi fe en 360 grados y me ha dado una idea de la verdad. Esto no tiene un valor terrenal que pueda medirse en términos humanos porque es una percepción del Creador, algo que no puede valorarse porque no tiene precio. También es un regalo del creador. Está claro, por lo tanto, que la gente aprende eso aquí y debe aprenderlo por el Espíritu Santo. La transmisión de la verdad es a través del espíritu, y su transmisión a nuestro ámbito de existencia es a través de aquellos a quienes Jehová escoge, tal como dice la Biblia, en el cumplimiento de Su voluntad. ¿No es así? en el cumplimiento de Su voluntad. ¿No es así? en el cumplimiento de Su voluntad. ¿No es así?

Me disculpo si pensó que estaba haciendo un comentario sobre sus acciones de cierre en el combate de calumnias que se desarrollaba en la publicación anterior, definitivamente no lo hice. Mi comentario fue simplemente ilustrativo de la situación de uno llamando a otro en términos de los que podemos prescindir. Somos dueños de lo que aprendemos. Eso es fe. El don de entendimiento nos lo da solo Jehová. Eso es innegable. Eso vale la pena defenderlo, tal como dices. El sitio y el número de lectores que se les ha brindado, yo también lo defenderé hasta el final, al igual que, al parecer, todos los demás aquí lo harán, y al menos para mí, su comprensión y el compartir es sangre vital para todos nosotros. Odio ver que se abuse de nosotros cuando nuestras pequeñas idiosincrasias deberían ser valoradas y apreciadas. Eso es básicamente lo que quise decir, ya que no quería profundizar tanto en el asunto, e introspectivo, pero tal vez debería haberlo explicado completamente en ese momento, pero estaba inhibido por mis sentimientos de llamar la atención indebida sobre el asunto. Pensé que la Biblia y la terrenalidad de Sócrates eran suficientes.👍. Sigue haciendo lo que haces, hermano Robert. No te detengas nunca.
Querido canino, al leer tu comentario recordé otras ocasiones en las que hubo conflictos en este foro. Gracias a Jehová, de los actuales conflictos
me entero cuando ya han pasado.! Ja!! Que alivio!! Estoy más inmersa en las cosas de arriba últimamente y como dice Pablo, en la tierra hay palabras y en cielo hay poder. Y es poder lo que necesitamos, mi querido hermano. Pero me encanta ver que mantienes tu actitud conciliadora y humilde. Endulza leerte. Mantén esa cualidad tan bonita y por otro lado, no le demos a Robert el trabajo de no detenerse nunca, debe ser agotador, que siga hasta que el Señor venga!! Con cariño, Ane.
 

DR74minus

Well-known member
Knowledge is a tool. It's also part of who we are. If that makes sense then wisdom is a protection. Now if they started giving people wisdom injections I would have been the first in line.

As long as it is free, even so it would be a waste of time since none have worked so far no matter what adjuvant they add.
Besides you already fear the true God. There is no better place to start.
 

LifeLearning

Well-known member
The remark I made, just to be clear, was in response to the slanging exchange by some in the article you shut down. I think the majority here, welcome the topical arguments made over scripture and the allied world events, but for the large part is carried out with humour, candour, brilliant contributions to bible knowledge and relevance in our everyday quest for truth, but peaceable said, with good humour, striking regard for the correspondents feelings and insight and of course, regard in Truth for the owner of that knowledge and humour, Jehovah and Jesus. My intent, as it always was and remains, having stumbled upon this site some years ago, is to defend your work in explanation of the Truth - something that has turned my faith around 360 degrees from watchtower and given me insight into truth. This has no earthly value that can be gauged in human terms because it is insight into the Creator - something that cannot be valued as it is priceless. It is also a gift from the creator. It is clear therefore that people do learn that here and learn it they must by Holy Spirit. The conveyance of truth is through spirit, and it’s conveyance into our realm of existence is through those whom Jehovah chooses, just as the bible says, in carrying out His will. Is this not so?

I apologise if you thought I was making a remark on your actions of closure in the slanging match going on in the previous posting, I was most defiantly not. My remark was simply illustrative of the situation of one calling another out in terms we can do without. We own what we learn. That is faith. The gift of understanding is given us by Jehovah alone. That is undeniable. That is worth defending, just as you say. The site and readership given to you - I too will defend that to the end - as also will, it seems, every one else here do - and for me at least, their understanding and sharing is Life blood to us all. I hate to see it abused when our little idiosyncrasies should be valued and cherished. That is basically what I meant to say, as I did not wish to make the matter this deep, and introspective but perhaps I should have explained it fully at the time, but I was inhibited by my feelings of drawing undue attention to the matter. I thought the bible and the earthiness of Socrates sufficient. 👍. Keep on doing what you do Brother Robert. Do not ever stop.
I want to like this post but can't fully understand it. I can tell your heart is in the right place dog!
 

DR74minus

Well-known member
Socrates may have had his moments. Was the above quote one of those? Next question. Were not some in the Corinthian congregation Greek philosophers and/or orators, the ones that Paul sarcastically referred to as "superfine Apostles",? A common phrase; that some use, "Knowledge is power", Never heard; "Knowledge is a weapon and possession over others" Something to consider prehaps. The W/T was able to control what knowledge the congregation was exposed to somewhat, decades ago. Not so much anymore.
 

BARNABY THE DOG.

Well-known member
Socrates may have had his moments. Was the above quote one of those? Next question. Were not some in the Corinthian congregation Greek philosophers and/or orators, the ones that Paul sarcastically referred to as "superfine Apostles",? A common phrase; that some use, "Knowledge is power", Never heard; "Knowledge is a weapon and possession over others" Something to consider prehaps. The W/T was able to control what knowledge the congregation was exposed to somewhat, decades ago. Not so much anymore.
Yes , knowledge certainly can be weaponised, and certainly, it does not need to be true knowledge, but simply that it is assumed to be true by the listener. Inference, guile, letters after someone’s name, or a title gives authority. Membership of an exclusive set, such as Nobel prize winners or simply just an assumed understanding, an “authority” over the subject matter and as is seen in all matters of religion, invoking the authority of God….”God wills it” thus said with authority, makes the subject matter inarguably ‘true‘
 
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