I suspect there would be no one since Jesus illustration is just that "an illustration" According to Joe Mac at least.
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Jesus Name - Proof of the GB's Deceptive Teaching of the Faithful Slave
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I suspect there would be no one since Jesus illustration is just that "an illustration" According to Joe Mac at least.
Hi Manoah.
I fully agree with you.
"After much prayerful research this is how I see it." also.
You may not agree with me on this: Every church in Christendom know Gods name.
It is Not the mission of Christians to teach the world Gods name. We preach Jesus and He teaches them about his Father if they are deserving.
In my opinion WT have hijacked Gods name and brought reproach on it big time.
Also by promoting 'Jehovah' to the extreme they have diminished Jesus and somehow elbowed themselves, the GB, right in there besides God. Many have recognized this.
This will not be received well here. I can defend it but will not even try.
IMHO
I agree. But just charity work? Where do you think CTR and JFR heard Gods name? Where did they get many of their understandings?
WT was disaproved by God from the start. Probably the churches also but they are not my concern.
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Jehovahsloyalchild
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Yes you are correct Russell did adopt teachings from the Adventis but has become a vast evangelical movement unlike the 7th day Adventists who core doctrine is in the Trinity making them AntiChrists.
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Jehovahsloyalchild
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Why don't they use it then? Why do they prefer to ignore God has a personal name? Why do they worship Jesus and not God? Why do they teach all we have to do is believe in Jesus and we are saved? Nothing else is required like really just say I believe in you Jesus and bam we will be with Him I heaven. They dont truly acknowledge God has a name nor do they use it for the simple fact they don't worship Him they dont pray to Jehovah they pray to Jesus as they think Jesus is God.
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Jehovahsloyalchild
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Churches definitely don't utter Gods name nor do they praise Jehovah. What good has the church done other than charity work? Teach lies!! Not one thing they teach is true!!
Do you want me to defend the churches of Christendom?
That would include defending the WT!
I shall do neither.
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Jehovahsloyalchild
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No defend the TRUTH...Defend Jehovah!!!
Ms_ladyblue
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This article is spot on @Joe MacTeeg! I don’t think I had the complete picture yet of this organization and their total misuse of scriptures along with their interpretations. My eyes were opened to most of their errors but this, to me goes to another level of their deception. Sometimes it only takes something or someone to point out the obvious! And my mind wasn’t opened enough to understand the reality of how this organization operates and what the consequences could be if others keep following them. I know Jehovah will forgive them because many know ( or realize ) that they not not what they are doing.
For example, ( and there are many) this Watchtower article here says:
“[A mature christian] does not advocate or insist on personal opinions or harbor private ideas when it comes to Bible understanding. Rather, he has complete confidence in the truth as it is revealed by Jehovah God through his Son, Jesus Christ, and "the faithful and discreet slave." Watchtower 2001 Aug 1 p.14
After I read this here as well as similar articles I realized that, in effect, they are claiming to be part mediators so as to get to Jehovah.
Here are more articles:
These were and still are outright statements made to congregations worldwide and have had and going to have a detrimental affect on Jehovah’s sheep.
On the other hand, Jesus says….and I truly believe this is still in effect and true…in John chapter 14:
6“Jesus said to him: “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. 7 If you men had known me, you would have known my Father also; from this moment on you know him and have seen him.”
So we don’t get to the Father through the FDS. Jesus said it was only THROUGH HIM that we come to the Father. What part of that does Jesus say we go THROUGH anyone else?
Another Watchtower article makes this claim:
So the claim is that we NEED THEIR HELP to learn to “trust in Jehovah and HIE REPRESENTATIVES“ like as if saying that they are the only way we’re going to receive and have Jehovah’s favor...in other words “come to the Father.” I thought Jesus was the only one who ‘explained’ his Father. The GB have been misleading in so many ways and it’s clear to me that the Devil has been in the details. They are definitely setting themselves up as the MOL.
There are so many that need to be told about these self appointed masters over our faith but it’s going to take time I know. They have become a cult like organization and it’s starting to show.
One more thing before I stop rambling here, since the subject did start with whether or not there is a FDS. Has anyone read all of Matthew 24, and particularly the context of verses around verse 45? And also Luke 12:42-44? I think I’m leaning more towards believing when Jesus ask the question about the FDS he was giving an illustration or parable. I’m still thinking about this and trying to sort it all out but note what Jesus said and then the question Peter posed to him to him: “But know this, if the householder had known at what hour the thief would come, he would not have let his house be broken into. 40 You also, keep ready, because at an hour that you do not think likely, the Son of man is coming.” 41 Then Peter said: “Lord, are you telling this illustration just to us or also to everyone?”
Did you notice that Jesus didn’t say in response to Peter that it wasn’t an illustration but continued on to illustrate what he previously said.
And why is it that if all the signs Jesus gave here hasn’t happened yet…how can we honestly say that Jehovah has appointed this or any organization on earth now? Aren’t these important questions to consider?
IMO I don’t think Jehovah would approve or appoint an organization that has evolved into what they’ve become today although we were taught the basic truths that were passed down and taught to us but it didn’t come from those same FDS group of men. And Jehovah knows how imperfect people have a tendency to want to be followers of something or someone they are able to see. You see how the Devil played on this? And now look at what the organization has become.
But how Jehovah is going to bring a FDS about or if he does so remains to be seen, but will be future. Right now we need to draw close to Jehovah and Jesus, pray incessantly. read God’s word as we try to encourage and help others.
I‘m sorry for making this so long but I was so awestruck after reading @Joe MacTeeg posts I couldn’t help myself. I only have you all here on this forum I can express myself to, so I did.
I thank the ones who were patient enough to finish reading my concerns and questions. I have no problem if I need to be corrected or set straight on any of my statements. I love you dear friends and I’m glad to be here.
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Again. "Where do you think CTR and JFR heard Gods name? Where did they get many of their understandings?"
Oh,"Yes you are correct Russell did adopt teachings from the Adventis" So CTR did not invent Christianity.
Jehovah does not need me to defend Him.
You are defending the WT.
That in my book is indefensible.
So if there was no JW.ORG how would people know about the true God and his purposes.
The Bible itself is the Word of God and it explains these things.
As of March 2, 2020, the Watch Tower Society has published 220 million copies of the New World Translation.
It was first published in 1950 and has averaged out at 3m copies a year over the 72 years that they have been producing Bibles. A sign of Gods blessing?
So here’s a situation that shows how Jah can even use the stones to cry out but does not need to.
In China the Org say we are banned but China has emerged as a country truly seeking to know God but with JW.Org not making plans to go there what could be done.
The people of China were not allowed to own a Christian Bible thirty years ago, but now China is the world's biggest producer of Bibles. The ancient capital of Nanjing is rapidly becoming the centre of the world for Bible printing. Huge factories have taken on the task of supplying Bibles in this country where Christianity was once banned. The demand for the Bibles continues to grow, both domestically and for export around the world. The presses in China produce a variety of Bibles, from a convenient pocket size to full sized table volumes. Source: ChristianToday.com
Please read the following links carefully ;
1. https://www.ubscp.org/200-million-bibles-printed-in-china/
They printed their first Bible in 1987 and this report was in 2019 so they are producing for free an average of 6,250,000 Bibles each year in the mere 32 years they have been operating.
2. https://www.ubscp.org/the-unstoppable-word-of-god/ Be sure to watch the video and NOTE that because they cannot preach or proselytize;
QUOTE; “Very often, after a person came to faith in Christ, he or she would begin to share his or her faith with family, friends and neighbours. And they would gather at homes to pray, sing hymns and read or listen to the Word of God.”
The man refers to Acts 12.24
24 But the word of Jehovah went on growing and spreading. He also says;
God has taken our offering of five barley loaves and two small fish, blessed and multiplied them to feed the multitudes in China and all around the world.
3. https://www.ubscp.org/launch-chinese-studybible/
Nowhere is too restricted for Jehovah to reach those who are seeking him.
China may not have Watchtower or a Governing Body to feed them and are not able to preach publicly due to the Superior Authorities but they are not beyond Jah's reach, his Word is all they need and they are being added to at a phenomenal rate albeit at times where only 2/3 gather together.. all this without ‘organised preaching’ and under severe restrictions.
I thought that the W/T was the source of absolute truth of the bible until 35 or so yrs ago I became convinced that they applied prophesy incorrectly to the clergy but what do I know I left it with Jehovah until 99 or 20 I confronted an elder and said that Counterfeit Christians are here in the congregation he was not impressed with what I said. So I'm with you that the W/T is not the source of absolute truth. But that does not prove W/T as an organization was and is not used by Jehovah. If you can then feel free to who is?
You can clearly see from Mt 13 that Satan planted weeds in among the wheat,
So maybe you and your followers are the wheat and some weeds have been planted among you? or are you going to deflect by saying "Jesus illustration is just that an illustration"
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Not all will comprehend the true teachings of God's word no matter how much they study it Nor would the kingdom news have been preached in all the inhabited earth if JW didn't preach it. Not one movement has ever been successful in fulfilling this precious work that Jesus foretold would take place before the end comes. Do I think salvation lays in any organization ABSOLUTELY NOT but I am grateful to have acquired the basic truths in the beginning from JW now my eyes have been fully opened to even deeper things acquiring deeper more profound insight on the Scriptures as well as a very deep close relationship and connection with Jehovah. His words come to life everytime I pick up His word and study it with prayer. I understand it like never before. Jehovahs Holy spirit has been a dynamite force in my life.
John 16:13
When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come.
John 14:26
But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.
1 Corinthians 2:13
And we impart this in words not taught by human wisdom but taught by the Spirit, interpreting spiritual truths to those who are spiritual.
2 Peter 3:16
As he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures
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You are correct! "But that does not prove W/T as an organization was and is not used by Jehovah. If you can then feel free to who is?"
IMHO Jehovah and Jesus have used WT. Not only WT but probably all of Christendom at some point.
I know from personal experience He, Jesus has used catholics. Being personal experiences I cant prove that to anyone but myself.
I have the responsibility to judge whom I associate with, but Jesus will judge all who claim to be His disciples.
Do you still attend meetings? Just curious, you don't have to answer if it's too personal a question.
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Jehovahsloyalchild
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Occasionally but only to strengthen others and encourage them to pray and look to Jehovah only.
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gitane
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What a lot of you are saying is, "my hazy outline is better than your hazy outline". The ones that worship in truth and spirit are Christ's disciples, no matter where they find themselves presently. When the mountain of Jehovah is established they will go there.
What other organization teaches the Jesus is the son of God? What other org condemns the trinity doctrine, the immortality of the soul, purgatory, Christmas and birthdays?
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