Jesus Name - Proof of the GB's Deceptive Teaching of the Faithful Slave

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The W/T is getting bad press all around and rightly so prehaps. Who can, even you my sister deny that the W/T has been used by Jehovah and Jesus to preach the good news of the kingdom to others. Who can say that the W/T has not done that on a global scale? Maybe not to every sq meter but global none the less.
No, I don't deny that WT or those back then were used by Jehovah and Jesus to preach the good news of the kingdom to the world. But are those same people or group still around now that got the preaching work started back then? No, but despite this it's continued on, with the direction of Jehovah and Jesus.
However, I believe that at some point some of them in the WT developed a "bad spirit" and started to exploit Jehovah's "sheep." Then they evolved into a corporation which explains why the "spiritual food" is watered down now and so much emphasis is being put on "looking to and putting our trust in the channel.... Jehovah's earthly representatives he is using here on earth." They've also formed an alliance with the UN among so many other lawless things.
So, can you honestly believe that Jehovah would be backing these men up at this time period when they are doing some of the most disgusting and unspeakable things imaginable? If you think so then you need to go do an in depth reading of your Bible to learn about Jehovah intimately. No offense, but sometimes we may need to wake up to this fact.
The WT have no doubt served their purpose as shepherds and have scattered many of Jehovah's sheep. We may all have our own ideas and opinions but ultimately Jehovah will straighten it all out in the end. Don't you realize as we get closer to the end we will need Jehovah and only Jehovah to trust in...and I truly believe that's what Jehovah wants from us...without an organization.
He wants our "exclusive devotion."
 
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May I contribute.
I will say they have not been used (exclusively) to preach the good news of the kingdom.
Their good news is an illegal teaching. Occasionally they stumble across the 'good news' but their world wide campaign teach Jesus invisible presence as king is illegal, even if it was true.
That is the message they spearhead their preaching work with, good news, Jesus is ruling as king!

I agree the W/T does not have it all correct, but as far as basic bible doctrinal truth., they are second to none. Their basic teaching is Gods Kingdom. They never preach Christ's invisible presence happened in 1914 at first calls not even second calls. If you are a JW, you are a liar, because you would know that, If you are not you don't have a clue what you're talking about. It is not until the student has become more interested that the are exposed to more.

Some of them wake to the corruption in the org some are still oblivious to it which is why they're still in the org.
The ones who do not see the corruption or maybe don't want to accept it need to be shown by others of those who have exited the org.
 
I agree the W/T does not have it all correct, but as far as basic bible doctrinal truth., they are second to none. Their basic teaching is Gods Kingdom. They never preach Christ's invisible presence happened in 1914 at first calls not even second calls. If you are a JW, you are a liar, because you would know that, If you are not you don't have a clue what you're talking about. It is not until the student has become more interested that the are exposed to more.

Some of them wake to the corruption in the org some are still oblivious to it which is why they're still in the org.
The ones who do not see the corruption or maybe don't want to accept it need to be shown by others of those who have exited the org.

Why do you people always resort to name calling or sarcasm?
This is so revealing.
It is not from Christ!!!
You can smell the spirit.
 
I sure smell your AntiChrist spirit through my phone 🙃 Before you say it's name calling its the TRUTH something you clearly hate...you left Jehovah the basic truths you learned and returned to AntiChrist Pagan teachings...you are among the born again so called Christians...Its so obvious!! If you weren't you would not have issue answering a simple question regarding your beliefs...u have danced around that this entire time
OH MY !!!!!!!! time to go some people just don't know when to shut up
 
can you honestly believe that Jehovah would be backing these men up at this time period

Not trying to evade your question or confuse you, but I still say that the W/T is being used by Jehovah and Jesus until they're not.

Keep in mind that Jehovah continued with the nation of Israel even after they became apostate, they did some weird things like sacrificing their children, somewhat like the org is doing with regard the clot shot, Same thing Jehovah is continuing with the org in spite of their crooked doings.

They the W/T will be used right up until Jesus comes into his Kingdom. Recall Jesus' words "and they took no note until the Flood came and swept them all away, so the presence of the Son of man be" Mt 24:39

That the presences of the Son of man is not yet is confirmed by the fact that people are still responding or "taking note" of what? of the message being preached. and the preaching work will not stop until Jesus comes into his Kingdom. So it is only during ( The presence of the Son of man ) that people will take "no note" That is why I say that the "W/T is being used until they're not." Right or wrong that is how I see it.

This thread is stoked up. Its fun I'm enjoying it.

Peace out.
 
Why do you people always resort to name calling or sarcasm?
This is so revealing.
It is not from Christ!!!
You can smell the spirit.

Why are you dipsticks Jesus freaks so easy offended? Well done it is hard to smell you own stink but you managed it.
 
Why are you dipsticks Jesus freaks so easy offended? Well done it is hard to smell you own stink but you managed it.

Oh my! Jehovah have mercy on us all we are all a mess 🙈
Lol yup we are but at least Jehovah sees our heart and through the blood of his precious son we can seek forgiveness. I am done with this nonsense. It's not beneficial and I can't deal with born again Christians. I have had far far too many dealings with them and the way they twist scripture and their reasoning really offends me and brings out the worst because all I hear is Satan speaking through them.
 
Lol yup we are but at least Jehovah sees our heart and through the blood of his precious son we can seek forgiveness. I am done with this nonsense. It's not beneficial and I can't deal with born again Christians. I have had far far too many dealings with them and the way they twist scripture and their reasoning really offends me and brings out the worst because all I hear is Satan speaking through them.

You do realize that RK claims to be anointed therefore he is a born again Christian. I have not seen where RK has twisted the scriptures but.
 
Hi DT333.
(There are a few scriptures which allude to some kind of organization being chosen)

Could you post thoughts scriptures?
I am interested to see them and analyze.
Cheers
Hi Ashley,
I’m not sure if I’m reading your questions right... but I think you are asking me to cite some scriptures which allude to some kind of organization being chosen... if that’s not the case, please clarify and I’ll happily answer your questions again. 💝
Assuming I’ve understood your request, here are the scriptures I know the address of which I can reference here.
Matthew 24:45-47 is the scripture most referred to by the Watchtower society and it says ““Who really is the faithful and discreet slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time? 46 Happy is that slave if his master on coming finds him doing so! 47 Truly I say to you, he will appoint him over all his belongings.” This does show that there will be some kind of organization set up which will dispense spiritual food at the proper time. However, the Watchtower conveniently leaves out the next few verses which could equally apply to them, especially given their recent actions and some may argue given their actions from the beginning, or at least since 1919 after their 1914 first world ending prediction fell flat and the Watchtower became like the slave described in Matthew 24:48-51 ““But if ever that evil slave says in his heart, ‘My master is delaying,’ 49 and he starts to beat his fellow slaves and to eat and drink with the confirmed drunkards, 50 the master of that slave will come on a day that he does not expect and in an hour that he does not know, 51 and he will punish him with the greatest severity and will assign him his place with the hypocrites. There is where his weeping and the gnashing of his teeth will be.” So in my opinion, the second set of scriptures would cancel out any benefit the slave may have received from the first set of scripture, assuming of course that the Watchtower ever even WAS the appointed organization. And that’s where this whole disagreement stems from. Because I have not found scriptural evidence which supports beyond a shadow of a doubt that the Watchtower society has the sole claim to the appointment as the faithful and discreet slave. I’m not saying it doesn’t exist, just that I have not seen it myself and so I am not convinced either way. Honestly, if the worldwide spreading of the “good news of Jesus Christ” is the only claim which the Watchtower society is claiming then they are about 200 years too late because it was really the Roman Catholic Church which spread the gospel of Jesus worldwide first. Obviously the methods the Catholic Church employed to accomplish such a feat was NOT in alignment with God’s standards. But since the WT is trying to claim sole proprietorship of spreading the good news world wide, then they fail the test because it had already been done. Think about it, you had Martin Luther come out of the Catholic Church and bring the message of the good news to the masses in a language they could understand and essentially out of Martin Luther’s efforts came the Watchtower society.
 
Hi DT333.
(There are a few scriptures which allude to some kind of organization being chosen)

Could you post thoughts scriptures?
I am interested to see them and analyze.
Cheers
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And then you’ve got this message from some that the evil slave will only be beaten either harshly or with a few strokes... but I am not convinced of the certainty of that claim because it is the ONLY scripture in the Bible which makes such a claim whereas the many verses before actually confirm the scriptures I shared from Matthew. The few strokes passage comes from Luke, who was not an apostle and he did not actually hear Jesus speak these words directly, so this passage of “a few strokes” is just not supported in my opinion. My standard is that Scripture must back up Scripture, meaning there must be more than one occurrence of a message from God, preferably from different Bible writers. Here’s the whole passage from Luke 12:42-48 “And the Lord said: “Who really is the faithful steward, the discreet one, whom his master will appoint over his body of attendants to keep giving them their measure of food supplies at the proper time? 43 Happy is that slave if his master on coming finds him doing so! 44 I tell you truthfully, he will appoint him over all his belongings. 45 But if ever that slave should say in his heart, ‘My master delays coming,’ and starts to beat the male and female servants and to eat and drink and get drunk, 46 the master of that slave will come on a day that he is not expecting him and at an hour that he does not know, and he will punish him with the greatest severity and assign him a part with the unfaithful ones. 47 Then that slave who understood the will of his master but did not get ready or do what he asked will be beaten with many strokes. 48 But the one who did not understand and yet did things deserving of strokes will be beaten with few. Indeed, everyone to whom much was given, much will be demanded of him, and the one who was put in charge of much will have more than usual demanded of him.” Honestly, I think the passage in Luke could have been added to give those evil slaves some false sense of security, thinking that no matter what they did, they would only be beaten because of it.
There are a lot more scriptures which condemn these evil slaves to eternal destruction as opposed to only being beaten however harshly...
Matthew 13:41-42 “The Son of man will send his angels, and they will collect out from his Kingdom all things that cause stumbling and people who practice lawlessness, 42 and they will pitch them into the fiery furnace. There is where their weeping and the gnashing of their teeth will be.”
Matthew 13:26-30 “When the stalk sprouted and produced fruit, then the weeds also appeared. 27 So the slaves of the master of the house came and said to him, ‘Master, did you not sow fine seed in your field? How, then, does it have weeds?’ 28 He said to them, ‘An enemy, a man, did this.’ The slaves said to him, ‘Do you want us, then, to go out and collect them?’ 29 He said, ‘No, for fear that while collecting the weeds, you uproot the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest, and in the harvest season, I will tell the reapers: First collect the weeds and bind them in bundles to burn them up; then gather the wheat into my storehouse.’”
Revelation 14:18-20 “And still another angel emerged from the altar, and he had authority over the fire. And he called out with a loud voice to the one who had the sharp sickle, saying: “Put your sharp sickle in and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth, for its grapes have become ripe.” 19 The angel thrust his sickle into the earth and gathered the vine of the earth, and he hurled it into the great winepress of God’s anger. 20 The winepress was trodden outside the city, and blood came out of the winepress as high up as the bridles of the horses for a distance of 1,600 stadia.”
So it doesn’t end well for these evil slaves, these weeds of men, these vines of the earth from which Jehovah will harvest His faithful ones. It does not appear to end for them with a few beatings or even a severe beating, so I really don’t like the false sense of safety those evil slaves are enjoying in their ignorance and it’s really sad and shocking to see that faithful servants are espousing to these light punishments and justifying it to the,selves as those evil slaves are somehow in a protected class of people above them and basically above reproach... “The GB can do whatever evil deeds they want because they were chosen by God to be his organization and all that will happen to them is a few strokes or many strokes depending on their awareness of what they were doing.” 🤨🤦‍♀️🥴
Isaiah 5:13 “So my people will go into exile For lack of knowledge; Their glorious men will go hungry, And all their people will be parched with thirst.”
Hosea 4:5-7 “So you will stumble in broad daylight, And the prophet will stumble with you, as if it were night. And I will silence your mother. 6 My people will be silenced, because there is no knowledge. Because you have rejected knowledge, I will also reject you from serving as my priest; And because you have forgotten the law of your God, I myself will forget your sons. 7 The more they increased, the more they sinned against me. I will change their glory into disgrace.”
Jeremiah 2:7-8 “I then brought you to a land of orchards, To eat its fruitage and its good things. But you came in and defiled my land; You made my inheritance something detestable. 8 The priests did not ask, ‘Where is Jehovah?’ Those handling the Law did not know me, The shepherds rebelled against me, The prophets prophesied by Baʹal, And they followed those who could bring no benefit.”
Their lack of knowledge will not save them, their ignorance of facts and truth will be no excuse for them. When knowledge is as abundant as it is today, there is no excuse for ignorance other than willful ignorance. And believe me, they can not claim ignorance in regards to the bioweapon, they have received many letters begging them to turn away from evil. I myself sent them over 700 pages of documentation proving that the bioweapon is deadly, that it alters DNA and that it contains human fetal tissue; I sent them scientific studies, Fauci’s emails, patents from the bioweapon proving it changes DNA and contains technology which will set up a “mark of the beast” like financial system. I sent that package certified mail, which means someone had to sign to receive it. Contained in my package was my letter demanding that I no longer be counted as one of Jehovah’s Witnesses because they have become that evil slave and they have become the harlot of false religion. I know they read at least some of my package because a few weeks after sending that I received a text message from the elder in my congregation seeking to confirm that I did indeed send that package and made that request to no longer be one of them.
This response is longer than I wanted it to be, sorry... hope this answers your questions...
 
"For I decided not to know anything among you except Jesus Christ, and him executed on the stake.+ 3 And I came to you in weakness and in fear and with much trembling; 4 and my speech and what I preached were not with persuasive words of wisdom but with a demonstration of spirit and power,+ 5 so that your faith might be, not in men’s wisdom, but in God’s power.6 Now we speak wisdom among those who are mature,+ but not the wisdom of this system of things* nor that of the rulers of this system of things, who are to come to nothing.+ 7 But we speak God’s wisdom in a sacred secret,+ the hidden wisdom, which God foreordained before the systems of things for our glory. 8 It is this wisdom that none of the rulers of this system of things* came to know,+ for if they had known it, they would not have executed* the glorious Lord. 9 But just as it is written: “Eye has not seen and ear has not heard, nor have there been conceived in the heart of man the things that God has prepared for those who love him.”+ 10 For it is to us God has revealed them+ through his spirit,+ for the spirit searches into all things, even the deep things of God.+11 For who among men knows the things of a man except the man’s spirit within him? So, too, no one has come to know the things of God except the spirit of God. 12 Now we received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit that is from God,+ so that we might know the things that have been kindly given us by God. 13 These things we also speak, not with words taught by human wisdom,+ but with those taught by the spirit,+ as we explain* spiritual matters with spiritual words.14 But a physical man does not accept* the things of the spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot get to know them, because they are examined spiritually. 15 However, the spiritual man examines all things,+ but he himself is not examined by any man. 16 For “who has come to know the mind of Jehovah,* so that he may instruct him?”+ But we do have the mind of Christ." 1 Corinthians 2

All who don't know Jehovah and Christ are blind and they cannot understand His will. They are still part of this world. Some of them fled babilon the great but they didn't get too far. On their way out they have stolen its idols; the likes of trinity, Christmas and other pagan doctrines. This is because they love this world and want to be part of it.
 
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I was curious what rogue groups who teach the truth you were referring to in your above comment. No need to compile information. You stated you have encountered other groups teaching the truth. I have not ever witnessed such thing except for JW's. Anyway I was just curious who you were referring to and where you found these rogue groups.
I have just recently found a very small group of Christians (less than 10 people) who meet weekly to study and discuss the Bible, the current events of today, what we can do about it to maintain our integrity as Christians and is completely outside of the government’s control via a nice little loophole called a Private Membership Association (PMA). They are not JWs by any means, in fact when I told them I used to be one they all breathed a collective sigh of relief that I had managed to escape that cult! LoL That’s how most of the world views JWs, as cult followers and the GB members are the cult leaders and you know, they’re not wrong about that... just sad that it is the case... anyways, the one and only thing I have disagreement with them on is the cross... but even that, they are open to changing their view on. They’re really a very kind, loving and open minded group and they’re not trying to convert me as JWs are infamous for doing...
 
You don't get it. The point is Jehovah has an organization. Jesus appointed a slave to feed his household. Some of those slaves become evil and deny the master. They become apostates. You cannot become apostate unless you at one time were faithful. Jehovah's organization has become apostate. Christ will judge the organization, not because it is not Jehovah's organization, but because it is.
I do get it. I mean you no disrespect and appreciate all you've done. But the org is broader that just JW's. The anointed Christian cong goes back to 33 CE. I agree JW's were the best for the modern era, and many could be identified as God's people, but that has passed. Also, anointing and mediation of the NC does not depend on that Org. Who are the 2 witnesses, JW's? Many for sure. But you and i are no longer cosidered JW's. We are on the outside now. That tells me others may come from other Christian denominations who are also close to the truth and use God's name. As you indicated in your book, Babylon has not yet been judged And don't forget Jehovah said you are my witnesses when there was no strange God among you. But there is a strange God among JW's today

I would say to the PIMO's in there now, that if the want to prove the are JW's they should stand up for Him and his Son. Then they will be tossed. We both know Jah has left that building.
 
I do get it. I mean you no disrespect and appreciate all you've done. But the org is broader that just JW's. The anointed Christian cong goes back to 33 CE. I agree JW's were the best for the modern era, and many could be identified as God's people, but that has passed. Also, anointing and mediation of the NC does not depend on that Org. Who are the 2 witnesses, JW's? Many for sure. But you and i are no longer cosidered JW's. We are on the outside now. That tells me others may come from other Christian denominations who are also close to the truth and use God's name. As you indicated in your book, Babylon has not yet been judged And don't forget Jehovah said you are my witnesses when there was no strange God among you. But there is a strange God among JW's today

I would say to the PIMO's in there now, that if the want to prove the are JW's they should stand up for Him and his Son. Then they will be tossed. We both know Jah has left that building.
You seem to be laboring under the WT's teaching that it is the ark of salvation and no one can be saved who is not in good standing within the WT org. That is all based on the myth that the Kingdom began ruling in 1914. That is not to imply that the WT has not served as the dragnet. Still, the hour of test will be when Christ comes and the Kingdom really does begin ruling in the midst of its multitudinous enemies. But, given the fact that the key to salvation is calling upon the name of Jehovah, I would say that Jehovah's Witnesses have the inside track.
 
We both know Jah has left that building.

Sorry for the intrusion. I've been out of my "Official" cong since 2002. I've attended a couple 3 occasionally over the 20 or so years since. The last 4 years I been looking in on one via zoom.

The G/B certainly is doing stuff that is not in harmony with the bible, and surely Jehovah is not pleased. But neither did the nation of Israel stick to Jehovah commends yet he continued with them. Only Jehovah knows how much of his spirit was on the nation.

I suspect it is the same with the org, and only Jehovah knows how much of his spirit is on the org. I also suspect their use by date will come due when the Christ comes into his Kingdom.

Edit I was writing this when RK posted so I may have doubled up don't appear to have but.
 
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like the people of the flood whom many calculate to be in the millions.
First of all I believe that the real reason only Noah, Noah's wife, his sons and their wives were the only ones to get into the Ark, is because a very large majority of people, including animals were actually "Nephilim." Yes the demons had sex with animals, and had angel-animal hybrids also.
The actual humans that died were worshipping the rebel angels.
"it leaves so much open ended!".
I'm keen to find out what you mean by this?
Well....what was God's original purpose? Jesus rule and thousand year reign was not part of it. So when is "God's original purpose" restored? It's at the end of the thousand year reign when Jesus hands the Kingdom back to Jehovah. I'm am not arguing someonbe for example who was judged at the flood or in the future at Armageddon, my argument is simple...there's a lot MORE we don't know than we think we know. Also, I think Armegeddon is God's war against Satan's governments, not individuals. That does not mean I do not think some "individuals" will be judged at Armageddon, I just don't think it will only be the 8.5 million JW's only who survive!
 
You seem to be laboring under the WT's teaching that it is the ark of salvation and no one can be saved who is not in good standing within the WT org. That is all based on the myth that the Kingdom began ruling in 1914. That is not to imply that the WT has not served as the dragnet. Still, the hour of test will be when Christ comes and the Kingdom really does begin ruling in the midst of its multitudinous enemies. But, given the fact that the key to salvation is calling upon the name of Jehovah, I would say that Jehovah's Witnesses have the inside tra

You seem to be laboring under the WT's teaching that it is the ark of salvation and no one can be saved who is not in good standing within the WT org. That is all based on the myth that the Kingdom began ruling in 1914. That is not to imply that the WT has not served as the dragnet. Still, the hour of test will be when Christ comes and the Kingdom really does begin ruling in the midst of its multitudinous enemies. But, given the fact that the key to salvation is calling upon the name of Jehovah, I would say that Jehovah's Witnesses have the inside track.
No. It's actually the opposite
You seem to be laboring under the WT's teaching that it is the ark of salvation and no one can be saved who is not in good standing within the WT org. That is all based on the myth that the Kingdom began ruling in 1914. That is not to imply that the WT has not served as the dragnet. Still, the hour of test will be when Christ comes and the Kingdom really does begin ruling in the midst of its multitudinous enemies. But, given the fact that the key to salvation is calling upon the name of Jehovah, I would say that Jehovah's Witnesses have the inside track.
Not really, best way to solve this is face to face
 
You seem to be laboring under the WT's teaching that it is the ark of salvation and no one can be saved who is not in good standing within the WT org. That is all based on the myth that the Kingdom began ruling in 1914. That is not to imply that the WT has not served as the dragnet. Still, the hour of test will be when Christ comes and the Kingdom really does begin ruling in the midst of its multitudinous enemies. But, given the fact that the key to salvation is calling upon the name of Jehovah, I would say that Jehovah's Witnesses have the inside track.
The "key to salvation" is faith in Christ. That is the one name given (by Jehovah himself) under heaven by which we must get saved. God's name is not a lucky charm. The Watchtower has brought reproach upon the name, not sanctified it.
 
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