Jesus Name - Proof of the GB's Deceptive Teaching of the Faithful Slave

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The "key to salvation" is faith in Christ. That is the one name given (by Jehovah himself) under heaven by which we must get saved. God's name is not a lucky charm. The Watchtower has brought reproach upon the name, not sanctified it.
This is where I get confused. The Bible specifically tells us that those who call on the name of Jehovah will be saved... but it also tells us that the only road to Jehovah is through Jesus. Are only the anointed saved through Jesus, while the other sheep call on Jehovah directly, bypassing Jesus? If that's someone's conclusion, that seems like a hard sell to my son and others who believe the only way to the Father is through the Son, as the Bible says.

Also, don't the prophesies tell of an organization/nation that gets judged in the end times, called Jerusalem? We know the modern day Jerusalem is not the same as Babylon the Great. Jerusalem goes apostate, while the other never practiced true worship. The debate on this thread seems to be whether or not the WT symbolizes Jerusalem, or the whole anointed body of Christ.. his bride. Did I get that correct? Does it matter if the WT leadership was always corrupt so long as the worshippers weren't? Or are you saying JWs never practiced true worship?

These questions will be answered by Jesus pretty soon I imagine.
 
This is where I get confused. The Bible specifically tells us that those who call on the name of Jehovah will be saved... but it also tells us that the only road to Jehovah is through Jesus. Are only the anointed saved through Jesus, while the other sheep call on Jehovah directly, bypassing Jesus? If that's someone's conclusion, that seems like a hard sell to my son and others who believe the only way to the Father is through the Son, as the Bible says.

Also, don't the prophesies tell of an organization/nation that gets judged in the end times, called Jerusalem? We know the modern day Jerusalem is not the same as Babylon the Great. Jerusalem goes apostate, while the other never practiced true worship. The debate on this thread seems to be whether or not the WT symbolizes Jerusalem, or the whole anointed body of Christ.. his bride. Did I get that correct? Does it matter if the WT leadership was always corrupt so long as the worshippers weren't? Or are you saying JWs never practiced true worship?

These questions will be answered by Jesus pretty soon I imagine.

Don't be confused both are right. Both require action. We need to keep exercising faith in the ransom sacrifice of Jesus and to continually follow his teachings, because that is part of Jehovah's will, all the while we're building a strong relationship with Jehovah and Jesus. But when the time comes calling on the name of Jesus just won't cut it.

Jesus will say "I never knew you get away from me you workers of lawlessness"
 
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No. It's actually the opposite

Not really, best way to solve this is face to face
Nothing wrong with that idea. Face to face is good. When I start making millions I will buy a plot of land, build a hall where we can all meet. The cows might come home first but. Still you never can tell.
 
The "key to salvation" is faith in Christ. That is the one name given (by Jehovah himself) under heaven by which we must get saved. God's name is not a lucky charm. The Watchtower has brought reproach upon the name, not sanctified it.
I have never claimed the WT has sanctified God's name. Just the opposite. Because Jehovah's Witnesses are the only people who bear the name of God and the name of Jehovah is inseparably linked to the Watchtower, only Jehovah's Witnesses can profane the name of God, which is why Jehovah is going to destroy the organization in order to sanctify His name. In the end all will have to know the he is Jehovah, especially Jehovah's Witnesses.



 
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I have never claimed the WT has sanctified God's name. Just the opposite. Because Jehovah's Witnesses are the only people who bear the name of God and the name of Jehovah is inseparably linked to the Watchtower, only Jehovah's Witnesses can profane the name of God, which is why Jehovah is going to destroy the organization in order to sanctify His name. In the end all will have to know the he is Jehovah, especially Jehovah's Witnesses.



But you claim the fact they use (or abuse) the Name is proof they are God's people. I claim the hypocritical way that Rutherford introduced the frequent use of "Jehovah", was to focus ultimate sovereign authority upon Rutherford himself as "Jehovah's voice", and upon the "organization", rather than upon the only means given by Jehovah by which we must be saved, Christ. Your logic is circular. Russell was an idol and "channel" in place of Christ. Rutherford created himself via the "organization" into this same idol replacing Christ. He pimped off of the sacred name Jehovah. There was never a point at which this substitute idol could have become "God's organization."

Jesus focused attention on the expression "Father" and our wonderful opportunity to be His children. He did not walk around saying "Jehovah" every other word. He said "my Father", "your Father", etc. Pray "Our Father..." It pleased Jehovah, our Father, to focus all attention on his Son, as the "Amen." 'Honor the Son, just as you honor the Father.' (The gospels record Jesus using "Father" hundreds of times, and "Jehovah" only a few times as in quoting scripture to Satan at the temptation.)

This idolatry of men and a human arrangement is why the governing body is a cult-like idol today. This is not new. The Watchtower perpetrated this substitute mediator from its inception. This is why 8 million members did worse than drink "koolaid" in being induced by this idol to take the genetic injections. This was in the cards from the start when the Watchtower was made a "channel" in place of Christ. The Watchtower was never a "faithful" servant as you claim, which later went "apostate". It never was chosen as "his organization." Christ's congregation is the holy "nation", not the Watchtower. Never was.

Further, Jehovah made clear he made a covenant with the nation of Israel, through signs and miracles, as Paul detailed in the letter to the Hebrews. But Paul makes the point of the superiority of the arrangement through Christ. To insert the modern Watchtower movement into this is without Divine evidence. Rutherford did not part Lake Michigan.

Your logic that there are two organizations, Satan's and Jehovah's, and that Satan leads Jehovah's, is demonic nonsense. Christ leads and knows those that are his. His sheep do not go apostate. The body of Christ is a holy nation. Not a sectarian movement brought in with pyramid worship, Egyptian winged sun discs on the Studies in the Scriptures, and constant date setting and false prophecy.

I know you have to cling to your interpretation, otherwise your claim of divine appointment as a Jeremiah prophet to the Watchtower as "God's people" crumbles, as does all your prophetic interpretation built on the assumption that spiritual Israel is exclusively associated with the Watchtower.

It seems to me that you are in the sad position as a false prophet to a false prophet man-made sectarian organization that never was chosen by our Father. He chose Christ and his Bride. Jesus knows his sheep and his sheep know his voice. The voice of strangers (WT/RK) they do not follow.
 
But you claim the fact they use (or abuse) the Name is proof they are God's people. I claim the hypocritical way that Rutherford introduced the frequent use of "Jehovah", was to focus ultimate sovereign authority upon Rutherford himself as "Jehovah's voice", and upon the "organization", rather than upon the only means given by Jehovah by which we must be saved, Christ. Your logic is circular. Russell was an idol and "channel" in place of Christ. Rutherford created himself via the "organization" into this same idol replacing Christ. He pimped off of the sacred name Jehovah. There was never a point at which this substitute idol could have become "God's organization."
Who are you pimping for but a dead Ray Franz? I concern myself with the truth of the Bible. According to the Scriptures, Jehovah has a people who are called by his name. Rutherford may have derived the title of Jehovah's Witnesses from the 43rd chapter of Isaiah but that is not all there is to it. Jehovah has obviously used the Watchtower to renew the anointing that trailed off after the apostles died off. All persons who are anointed by Jehovah have His name placed upon them. For example, Revelation depicts the 144,000 as having the name of the Father written on the foreheads.
 
But you claim the fact they use (or abuse) the Name is proof they are God's people. I claim the hypocritical way that Rutherford introduced the frequent use of "Jehovah", was to focus ultimate sovereign authority upon Rutherford himself as "Jehovah's voice", and upon the "organization", rather than upon the only means given by Jehovah by which we must be saved, Christ. Your logic is circular. Russell was an idol and "channel" in place of Christ. Rutherford created himself via the "organization" into this same idol replacing Christ. He pimped off of the sacred name Jehovah. There was never a point at which this substitute idol could have become "God's organization."

Jesus focused attention on the expression "Father" and our wonderful opportunity to be His children. He did not walk around saying "Jehovah" every other word. He said "my Father", "your Father", etc. Pray "Our Father..." It pleased Jehovah, our Father, to focus all attention on his Son, as the "Amen." 'Honor the Son, just as you honor the Father.' (The gospels record Jesus using "Father" hundreds of times, and "Jehovah" only a few times as in quoting scripture to Satan at the temptation.)

This idolatry of men and a human arrangement is why the governing body is a cult-like idol today. This is not new. The Watchtower perpetrated this substitute mediator from its inception. This is why 8 million members did worse than drink "koolaid" in being induced by this idol to take the genetic injections. This was in the cards from the start when the Watchtower was made a "channel" in place of Christ. The Watchtower was never a "faithful" servant as you claim, which later went "apostate". It never was chosen as "his organization." Christ's congregation is the holy "nation", not the Watchtower. Never was.

Further, Jehovah made clear he made a covenant with the nation of Israel, through signs and miracles, as Paul detailed in the letter to the Hebrews. But Paul makes the point of the superiority of the arrangement through Christ. To insert the modern Watchtower movement into this is without Divine evidence. Rutherford did not part Lake Michigan.

Your logic that there are two organizations, Satan's and Jehovah's, and that Satan leads Jehovah's, is demonic nonsense. Christ leads and knows those that are his. His sheep do not go apostate. The body of Christ is a holy nation. Not a sectarian movement brought in with pyramid worship, Egyptian winged sun discs on the Studies in the Scriptures, and constant date setting and false prophecy.

I know you have to cling to your interpretation, otherwise your claim of divine appointment as a Jeremiah prophet to the Watchtower as "God's people" crumbles, as does all your prophetic interpretation built on the assumption that spiritual Israel is exclusively associated with the Watchtower.

It seems to me that you are in the sad position as a false prophet to a false prophet man-made sectarian organization that never was chosen by our Father. He chose Christ and his Bride. Jesus knows his sheep and his sheep know his voice. The voice of strangers (WT/RK) they do not follow.
No one person can own or represent the name of Jehovah. He is perfect. Therefore one is either given entitlement that the name carries, at the cost of their life if they abuse it, or they take it upon themselves and do with it what they will and pay the price accordingly as individuals. The use of Jehovah’s name then carries with it a penalty that cannot but draw upon the user a price to pay for it, either good, or bad - just as the bible notes in so many examples. People are drawn out by their own desires. The same is true of His witnesses. Everyone here at one time thought themselves honoured to carry the name and certainly, everyone here regrets that their association with the organisation has sullied their intent. That is a realisation - an awakening to which we come to understand that fact, and the merciful opportunity to bring ourselves under that understanding. Jehovah has always had a people for His name from the moment he cursed the earth in Eden to bring forth thorns and weeds. Christ gave everyone the opportunity to understand that when at Mathew 6 he told his followers to address Jehovah in prayer as “father”. Throughout history, man has passed his name on to his son. How can you imply that no one should seek to own the name of his father?

The majority of the witnesses are only too willing to carry the name and assume it upon themselves as His representatives - not for fame or any other reason than that they want to imitate His concern for us. Regardless of Rutherford - who can truthfully say what his motive was? - the majority of witnesses are sincere and would have embraced his name even if Rutherford had never uttered it. It is what we are. Jehovah marked us that way and singled us out in that way so that we are known by that name. Jehovah wants the significance of the name made known, not only for the beauty of it, but also for the abuse of it. It’s plain. “They will have to know that I am Jehovah!” That surely has meaning for both good and bad. It must follow then, that both sides of the coin will be explicitly made clear. Not just because it is a name, but because of what it entails in its outcome and recognition. Rutherford did not have a choice. We were Jehovah‘s witnesses when we were Israelites. We were witnesses to the name to pharaoh in Egypt, at the flood, at Babylon, at Jerusalem and during the Dark Ages and we will be again a witness to His name hopefully in the near future. You have to look at the context Joe. This did not begin 80 years or so ago, but 6,000 years ago. And it’s happening now. It was always about an identifiable loyalty to Jehovah.

You confuse false prophesy with reasoning. The time for accounting is not yet here. What is appreciated is sincerity and the reasoning that goes with it. In the interim, we appreciate that depth in reasoning and context is a valuable aid to learning. The greater the reasoning, the more options there are to following the right pathway. It is far more effective than slandering and slamming doors against ourselves.
 
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But you claim the fact they use (or abuse) the Name is proof they are God's people. I claim the hypocritical way that Rutherford introduced the frequent use of "Jehovah", was to focus ultimate sovereign authority upon Rutherford himself as "Jehovah's voice", and upon the "organization", rather than upon the only means given by Jehovah by which we must be saved, Christ. Your logic is circular. Russell was an idol and "channel" in place of Christ. Rutherford created himself via the "organization" into this same idol replacing Christ. He pimped off of the sacred name Jehovah. There was never a point at which this substitute idol could have become "God's organization."

Jesus focused attention on the expression "Father" and our wonderful opportunity to be His children. He did not walk around saying "Jehovah" every other word. He said "my Father", "your Father", etc. Pray "Our Father..." It pleased Jehovah, our Father, to focus all attention on his Son, as the "Amen." 'Honor the Son, just as you honor the Father.' (The gospels record Jesus using "Father" hundreds of times, and "Jehovah" only a few times as in quoting scripture to Satan at the temptation.)

This idolatry of men and a human arrangement is why the governing body is a cult-like idol today. This is not new. The Watchtower perpetrated this substitute mediator from its inception. This is why 8 million members did worse than drink "koolaid" in being induced by this idol to take the genetic injections. This was in the cards from the start when the Watchtower was made a "channel" in place of Christ. The Watchtower was never a "faithful" servant as you claim, which later went "apostate". It never was chosen as "his organization." Christ's congregation is the holy "nation", not the Watchtower. Never was.

Further, Jehovah made clear he made a covenant with the nation of Israel, through signs and miracles, as Paul detailed in the letter to the Hebrews. But Paul makes the point of the superiority of the arrangement through Christ. To insert the modern Watchtower movement into this is without Divine evidence. Rutherford did not part Lake Michigan.

Your logic that there are two organizations, Satan's and Jehovah's, and that Satan leads Jehovah's, is demonic nonsense. Christ leads and knows those that are his. His sheep do not go apostate. The body of Christ is a holy nation. Not a sectarian movement brought in with pyramid worship, Egyptian winged sun discs on the Studies in the Scriptures, and constant date setting and false prophecy.

I know you have to cling to your interpretation, otherwise your claim of divine appointment as a Jeremiah prophet to the Watchtower as "God's people" crumbles, as does all your prophetic interpretation built on the assumption that spiritual Israel is exclusively associated with the Watchtower.

It seems to me that you are in the sad position as a false prophet to a false prophet man-made sectarian organization that never was chosen by our Father. He chose Christ and his Bride. Jesus knows his sheep and his sheep know his voice. The voice of strangers (WT/RK) they do not follow.

I suspect that when the time comes you will be calling upon the name of Jesus. And Jesus will say to them "I never knew you get away from me you workers of lawlessness."

Humble yourself to the mighty hand of Jehovah before it is too late.
 
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Jesus focused attention on the expression "Father" and our wonderful opportunity to be His children. He did not walk around saying "Jehovah" every other word. He said "my Father", "your Father", etc. Pray "Our Father..." It pleased Jehovah, our Father, to focus all attention on his Son, as the "Amen." 'Honor the Son, just as you honor the Father.' (The gospels record Jesus using "Father" hundreds of times, and "Jehovah" only a few times as in quoting scripture to Satan at the temptation.)
Jesus introduced a new form of worship, and not only that, when Jesus was born again he became the first of what is to be a new creation. True, Jehovah had always been Jesus' father, but when Jesus became Christ Jehovah Fathered him in an entirely new way. Jesus was the firstborn of many sons whom Jehovah had purposed to adopt. So, the concept of Jehovah as a father was really foreign to the Jews. It seemed blasphemous to the Pharisees for Jesus to refer to Jehovah as his Father. But, those few whom Jehovah adopted they understand why Jesus always referred to the Father. Of course, when it comes to the name of Jehovah Jesus didn't need to speak it. He wore it. His name means Jehovah is salvation.
 
For me, it's very simple to understand the WT's role if you consider it an antitype of Jerusalem. It is also crucial to understand and apply illustrations like that of the leaven and the mustard tree. It should be obvious that those do not apply to Christendom. One thing the WT has right is that it has played a significant role in fulfilling prophecy, particularly in regards to the preaching work and being the organization that bears God's name. Of course they misapply prophecy and scripture, but that is no different than how the Pharisees and Sadducees did things either, and does not discount them as Jehovah's chosen nation. Refusing to apply such prophecy to the WT would be similar to how the Jews refused to apply prophecy, and we know how that ended for them.
 
You seem to be laboring under the WT's teaching that it is the ark of salvation and no one can be saved who is not in good standing within the WT org. That is all based on the myth that the Kingdom began ruling in 1914. That is not to imply that the WT has not served as the dragnet. Still, the hour of test will be when Christ comes and the Kingdom really does begin ruling in the midst of its multitudinous enemies. But, given the fact that the key to salvation is calling upon the name of Jehovah, I would say that Jehovah's Witnesses have the inside track.
Again. I'm going to half to disagree, your whole book is based on the idea that Jw's are God's people. Stop trying to play with me, I wasn't born yesterday.
 
Very interesting post, but this still doesn’t address the issue of Biblical proof that the Watchtower society was ever really selected as “Jehovah’s Organization”
When did this selection happen?
Where is the scriptural proof that this happened?
How do we know that it was the Watchtower society that was selected and not any other organized religion?
I can give you one date: the year 1931 when JWs accepted the name Jehovah's witnesses. But you must understand, that it was not men that have chosen that name! It is the other way around! It was Jehovah God himself that has "given them that name"!
 
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Jesus introduced a new form of worship, and not only that, when Jesus was born again he became the first of what is to be a new creation. True, Jehovah had always been Jesus' father, but when Jesus became Christ Jehovah Fathered him in an entirely new way. Jesus was the firstborn of many sons whom Jehovah had purposed to adopt. So, the concept of Jehovah as a father was really foreign to the Jews. It seemed blasphemous to the Pharisees for Jesus to refer to Jehovah as his Father. But, those few whom Jehovah adopted they understand why Jesus always referred to the Father. Of course, when it comes to the name of Jehovah Jesus didn't need to speak it. He wore it. His name means Jehovah is salvation.
’Of course, when it comes to the name of Jehovah Jesus didn't need to speak it. He wore it. His name means Jehovah is salvation.’
To refute with truth. What a weapon - and well deployed too.
 
For me, it's very simple to understand the WT's role if you consider it an antitype of Jerusalem. It is also crucial to understand and apply illustrations like that of the leaven and the mustard tree. It should be obvious that those do not apply to Christendom. One thing the WT has right is that it has played a significant role in fulfilling prophecy, particularly in regards to the preaching work and being the organization that bears God's name. Of course they misapply prophecy and scripture, but that is no different than how the Pharisees and Sadducees did things either, and does not discount them as Jehovah's chosen nation. Refusing to apply such prophecy to the WT would be similar to how the Jews refused to apply prophecy, and we know how that ended for them.
Very succinctly put.
 
This idolatry of men and a human arrangement is why the governing body is a cult-like idol today. This is not new. The Watchtower perpetrated this substitute mediator from its inception. This is why 8 million members did worse than drink "koolaid" in being induced by this idol to take the genetic injections. This was in the cards from the start when the Watchtower was made a "channel" in place of Christ. The Watchtower was never a "faithful" servant as you claim, which later went "apostate". It never was chosen as "his organization." Christ's congregation is the holy "nation", not the Watchtower. Never was.
You persist in demonstrating your ignorance. Your claim is that the Watchtower cannot be Jehovah's organization because it is steeped in cult-like idolatry. If you have ever read the Bible you would surely note that the Israelites consistently practiced idolatry. Over and over, no matter how many reformers arose and demolished the high places, the Israelites would always quickly revert back to worshipping sacred poles and whatnot. Were the Israelites God's people? You have to say yes or else you expose yourself as a complete fraud. But if we applied your infantile reasoning the Israelites could not have been Jehovah's people because they practiced idolatry.

As for the organizational idolatry prevalent among Jehovah's Witnesses, you are not bringing anything new to light. You are simply, inadvertently perhaps, confirming what I have published for many years.



 
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Further, Jehovah made clear he made a covenant with the nation of Israel, through signs and miracles, as Paul detailed in the letter to the Hebrews. But Paul makes the point of the superiority of the arrangement through Christ. To insert the modern Watchtower movement into this is without Divine evidence. Rutherford did not part Lake Michigan
This is interesting. You are claiming that you will not believe unless you see a miraculous sign from heaven. That is exactly the same position of obstinacy the Jews took toward Jesus, whom Christ outed as children of Satan who loved to do the desires of their father. It is becoming obvious who your daddy is.
 
Your logic that there are two organizations, Satan's and Jehovah's, and that Satan leads Jehovah's, is demonic nonsense. Christ leads and knows those that are his. His sheep do not go apostate. The body of Christ is a holy nation. Not a sectarian movement brought in with pyramid worship, Egyptian winged sun discs on the Studies in the Scriptures, and constant date setting and false prophecy.
It is not a matter of logic. It is simply a matter of knowing the Scriptures, which you do not. First, though, like your father, you are lying when you claim that I teach that Satan is the leader of Jehovah's organization. Christ is the head of his congregation. What the Scriptures reveal, though, is that Jehovah allows for an operation of Satan to take place whereby a deluding influence is exerted over those who know the truth. Paul explained it, relating that a man of lawlessness will be allowed to sit in the temple of God, which is in fact Christ's congregation. Jesus even illustrated this in his parable of the wheat and weeds. The weeds grow in the same organization as the wheat up until the angels forcibly remove all the lawless ones out from his Kingdom.

It suits God's purpose to allow for the presence of Satan, which by the way also existed when Jesus was on earth in the person of Judas who preached, healed the sick and expelled demons and sat at the Passover table with Christ, up until Satan fully entered into him. The allowance for a man of lawlessness in the midst of Christ's congregation is to set the stage for the return of Christ and to winnow out faithless and wicked individuals. Obviously, that process is underway already. Frankly, it gives me the creeps that people that serve as elders are so completely empty of spirituality and faith.



 
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