ANGLOAMERICA DID DANIEL MEAN THAT?

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I am going to raise this matter from another angle, because I have raised it twice and many continue to resist, embracing memories of Wachtower. I clarify that such an attitude does not bother me, it is understandable because most of us come from that organization that has been the means by which we learned the basic truth of the scriptures and paved the way to discover deeper truths, such as on this site by Robert al which, I repeat for the umpteenth time, I AM VERY GRATEFUL. Getting to the point: With the invasion of technology in these times and the increasingly implantation of transhumanism, it becomes evident that the future is about this. So my question is: Why would Jehovah leave us ignorant of these important things? Will the Bible speak of this matter? I personally believe that Jehovah would not hide these important things from us. And I think that Daniel in a portion of the book he talks about this, in chapter 2 when he mentions that the last kingdom that would face God would be composed of an ambiguity of "Clay and iron". Many have given it the meaning of the Anglo-American dual power, a theory that I initially assumed as such, but as time went by, doubts arose in my mind and, analyzing more, I wondered: Why Daniel, in a context that is talking about Clay and iron, marking the difference between his weakness and strength, he says in one part: "As you beheld IRON with wet clay, THEY WILL BECOME MIXED WITH THE PROLES OF MANKIND" (Daniel 3:43), did you catch the contrast that daniel makes between iron and clay? ? He talks about iron being MIXED WITH HUMAN OFFspring. Why would Daniel make such a contrast if he were talking about humans as the Wachtower says in his theory of America and Great Britain? It is evident that iron means something other than the biologically human created by Jehovah, and that it would "Mix with the offspring of mankind" in the latter part of this system. We do not know how it will be fulfilled in detail, but what is happening with the promotion of transhumanism and the "Solutions" of nanobots that extend life and many other things, is minimally worth considering. On the other hand, we know that Daniel is complemented by Revelation, and John tells us that an idolatrous image "will come to life and speak, and will kill everyone who does not worship it"... Something never seen. Could this be something related to advanced technology? Probably. Returning to the matter of iron and clay, we know that clay is a clear identification of the human being, created from dust by the potter Jehovah. And iron, to make an interesting mention, Tubal-Cain (Descendant of Cain and lineage of the serpent) was the one who began to design tools with this material (Genesis 4:22), and this same name appears in the coalition of names or parties that will be planning something harmful against the people of God (Ezekiel 38:3), then we have the mandate that Jehovah gives Moses to make altars but without using tools to cut the stones, where hammers or other things of iron, because otherwise the altar "would be desecrated", I do not want to go beyond the scripture, but perhaps Jehovah spoke in advance and laid the foundation for what iron would mean later in history, generally the Bible interprets itself and speaks in anachronistic mode. In summary, iron in the Bible represents Stubbornness, obstinacy, hardness, etc. There are many more details to add, but for Daniel to say that "They would mix with the offspring of humanity, but it won't turn out to stick to each other", it is evident that he is talking about something non-human that tries to adhere or join the being. human, but not compatible. Very interesting times are coming.
 
Going back to Nimrod mankind has been ruled over by iron-fisted tyrants under controlled by demons. (nonhumans) The Egyptian pharaohs were not even thought to be human. And that is the way it has been up to the present British oligarchy, which also assumes to be gods. The advent of America was truly unique. For the first time in history, common people had a say in how they were governed. A Government by the People and for the People was novel. But, by stealth, the British oligarchy fused itself with the American republic in an unworkable fusion of empire and republic that is now fragmenting and falling apart.
 
Paul resiliente said:
I am going to raise this matter from another angle, because I have raised it twice and many continue to resist, embracing memories of Wachtower. I clarify that such an attitude does not bother me, it is understandable because most of us come from that organization that has been the means by which we learned the basic truth of the scriptures and paved the way to discover deeper truths, such as on this site by Robert al which, I repeat for the umpteenth time, I AM VERY GRATEFUL. Getting to the point: With the invasion of technology in these times and the increasingly implantation of transhumanism, it becomes evident that the future is about this. So my question is: Why would Jehovah leave us ignorant of these important things? Will the Bible speak of this matter? I personally believe that Jehovah would not hide these important things from us. And I think that Daniel in a portion of the book he talks about this, in chapter 2 when he mentions that the last kingdom that would face God would be composed of an ambiguity of "Clay and iron". Many have given it the meaning of the Anglo-American dual power, a theory that I initially assumed as such, but as time went by, doubts arose in my mind and, analyzing more, I wondered: Why Daniel, in a context that is talking about Clay and iron, marking the difference between his weakness and strength, he says in one part: "As you beheld IRON with wet clay, THEY WILL BECOME MIXED WITH THE PROLES OF MANKIND" (Daniel 3:43), did you catch the contrast that daniel makes between iron and clay? ? He talks about iron being MIXED WITH HUMAN OFFspring. Why would Daniel make such a contrast if he were talking about humans as the Wachtower says in his theory of America and Great Britain? It is evident that iron means something other than the biologically human created by Jehovah, and that it would "Mix with the offspring of mankind" in the latter part of this system. We do not know how it will be fulfilled in detail, but what is happening with the promotion of transhumanism and the "Solutions" of nanobots that extend life and many other things, is minimally worth considering. On the other hand, we know that Daniel is complemented by Revelation, and John tells us that an idolatrous image "will come to life and speak, and will kill everyone who does not worship it"... Something never seen. Could this be something related to advanced technology? Probably. Returning to the matter of iron and clay, we know that clay is a clear identification of the human being, created from dust by the potter Jehovah. And iron, to make an interesting mention, Tubal-Cain (Descendant of Cain and lineage of the serpent) was the one who began to design tools with this material (Genesis 4:22), and this same name appears in the coalition of names or parties that will be planning something harmful against the people of God (Ezekiel 38:3), then we have the mandate that Jehovah gives Moses to make altars but without using tools to cut the stones, where hammers or other things of iron, because otherwise the altar "would be desecrated", I do not want to go beyond the scripture, but perhaps Jehovah spoke in advance and laid the foundation for what iron would mean later in history, generally the Bible interprets itself and speaks in anachronistic mode. In summary, iron in the Bible represents Stubbornness, obstinacy, hardness, etc. There are many more details to add, but for Daniel to say that "They would mix with the offspring of humanity, but it won't turn out to stick to each other", it is evident that he is talking about something non-human that tries to adhere or join the being. human, but not compatible. Very interesting times are coming.
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Your proposal is interesting and we do see advancements in AI. However, in regard to Daniel and the statue. The entire statue is metalic until the feet. It all symbolizes rulerships. The legs are iron and I think they represent the Roman Empire and the part of the feet that are also iron is the City of London that springs from the Roman Empire. The feet represent the dual rulership of the King of the North and the King of the South, who although they rule the world together, they really don’t stick together because they are 2 different systems. I’m wondering if you’ve read this thread because RK’s book covers this. Whether AI or some aspect will be involved, I don’t know but I don’t believe the statue refers to a mixing of human and AI.

Post in thread 'Chapter 13 - King of the North'
https://e-jehovahs-witnesses.com/index.php?threads/chapter-13-king-of-the-north.2566/post-63820
 
Paul resiliente said:
I am going to raise this matter from another angle, because I have raised it twice and many continue to resist, embracing memories of Wachtower. I clarify that such an attitude does not bother me, it is understandable because most of us come from that organization that has been the means by which we learned the basic truth of the scriptures and paved the way to discover deeper truths, such as on this site by Robert al which, I repeat for the umpteenth time, I AM VERY GRATEFUL. Getting to the point: With the invasion of technology in these times and the increasingly implantation of transhumanism, it becomes evident that the future is about this. So my question is: Why would Jehovah leave us ignorant of these important things? Will the Bible speak of this matter? I personally believe that Jehovah would not hide these important things from us. And I think that Daniel in a portion of the book he talks about this, in chapter 2 when he mentions that the last kingdom that would face God would be composed of an ambiguity of "Clay and iron". Many have given it the meaning of the Anglo-American dual power, a theory that I initially assumed as such, but as time went by, doubts arose in my mind and, analyzing more, I wondered: Why Daniel, in a context that is talking about Clay and iron, marking the difference between his weakness and strength, he says in one part: "As you beheld IRON with wet clay, THEY WILL BECOME MIXED WITH THE PROLES OF MANKIND" (Daniel 3:43), did you catch the contrast that daniel makes between iron and clay? ? He talks about iron being MIXED WITH HUMAN OFFspring. Why would Daniel make such a contrast if he were talking about humans as the Wachtower says in his theory of America and Great Britain? It is evident that iron means something other than the biologically human created by Jehovah, and that it would "Mix with the offspring of mankind" in the latter part of this system. We do not know how it will be fulfilled in detail, but what is happening with the promotion of transhumanism and the "Solutions" of nanobots that extend life and many other things, is minimally worth considering. On the other hand, we know that Daniel is complemented by Revelation, and John tells us that an idolatrous image "will come to life and speak, and will kill everyone who does not worship it"... Something never seen. Could this be something related to advanced technology? Probably. Returning to the matter of iron and clay, we know that clay is a clear identification of the human being, created from dust by the potter Jehovah. And iron, to make an interesting mention, Tubal-Cain (Descendant of Cain and lineage of the serpent) was the one who began to design tools with this material (Genesis 4:22), and this same name appears in the coalition of names or parties that will be planning something harmful against the people of God (Ezekiel 38:3), then we have the mandate that Jehovah gives Moses to make altars but without using tools to cut the stones, where hammers or other things of iron, because otherwise the altar "would be desecrated", I do not want to go beyond the scripture, but perhaps Jehovah spoke in advance and laid the foundation for what iron would mean later in history, generally the Bible interprets itself and speaks in anachronistic mode. In summary, iron in the Bible represents Stubbornness, obstinacy, hardness, etc. There are many more details to add, but for Daniel to say that "They would mix with the offspring of humanity, but it won't turn out to stick to each other", it is evident that he is talking about something non-human that tries to adhere or join the being. human, but not compatible. Very interesting times are coming.
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Are you speaking literally on lineage? Serpent seed theory is erroneous no one that has lived is a literal offspring of the adversary. Yes he appears to have had a significant influence on Cain's line going by the books of adam and eve but the serpents too cautious to cross that line himself.
 
The point of altars not being cut had nothing to do with the element on the periodic table a tool was made of. The altar was to be made of whole things as God had left them not something to be subtractively altered/diminished by human hands it also created a bit more of a distance from idolatry in that it contrasts from idols which are typically carved.
 
SusanB said:
Su propuesta es interesante y vemos avances en IA. Sin embargo, con respecto a Daniel y la estatua. Toda la estatua es metálica hasta los pies. Todo simboliza los gobiernos. Las piernas son de hierro y creo que representan el Imperio Romano y la parte de los pies que también son de hierro es la City de Londres que surge del Imperio Romano. Los pies representan el gobierno dual del Rey del Norte y el Rey del Sur, quienes aunque gobiernan el mundo juntos, realmente no se mantienen unidos porque son 2 sistemas diferentes. Me pregunto si has leído este hilo porque el libro de RK cubre esto. Si la IA o algún aspecto estarán involucrados, no lo sé, pero no creo que la estatua se refiera a una mezcla de humanos e IA.

Publicar en hilo 'Capítulo 13 - Rey del Norte'
https://e-jehovahs-witnesses.com/index.php?threads/chapter-13-king-of-the-north.2566/post-63820
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Yes, I read Robert's article, but as I said in the post, in that article I see a continuation of what the Wachtower interprets. I don't see the need for Daniel to contrast iron with clay in such a concrete way if it were about 2 human kingdoms competing. I'll let time speak anyway, I don't think Jehovah prompted Daniel to write a contrast between iron and clay so specifically just for the sake of it. In addition, the rest of the statue are also different metals but he never mentions that they try to mix with the clay. I insist: Jehovah must have warned what Satan would try to do with transhumanism to contaminate creation and one of the portions of applicable scriptures is this from Daniel. That's why he left the door open
 
The God Pill said:
¿Estás hablando literalmente sobre el linaje? La teoría de la simiente de la serpiente es errónea, nadie que haya vivido es un descendiente literal del adversario. Sí, parece haber tenido una influencia significativa en la línea de Caín según los libros de Adán y Eva, pero las serpientes son demasiado cautelosas para cruzar esa línea.
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I'm not talking about lineage, that's just a detail about the manipulation of iron. Do not stay in detail, read the spirit of the publication about iron and clay and the stark contrast that Daniel presents.
 
The God Pill said:
El punto de no cortar los altares no tenía nada que ver con el elemento de la tabla periódica del que estaba hecha una herramienta. El altar debía estar hecho de cosas completas como Dios las había dejado, no algo para ser alterado/disminuido sustractivamente por manos humanas. También creó un poco más de distancia de la idolatría en el sentido de que contrasta con los ídolos que normalmente están tallados.
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It may be, but I'll tell you the same thing as I did to Bagdad Bill: Don't dwell on the details, especially if you think it doesn't apply, focus on the publication and the stark contrast that Daniel makes between clay and iron.
 
Watchman said:
Volviendo a Nimrod, la humanidad ha sido gobernada por tiranos de puño de hierro controlados por demonios. (no humanos) Ni siquiera se pensaba que los faraones egipcios fueran humanos. Y así ha sido hasta la actual oligarquía británica, que también asume ser dioses. El advenimiento de América fue verdaderamente único. Por primera vez en la historia, la gente común tenía voz en la forma en que eran gobernados. Un gobierno del pueblo y para el pueblo era novedoso. Pero, sigilosamente, la oligarquía británica se fusionó con la república estadounidense en una fusión impracticable de imperio y república que ahora se está fragmentando y desmoronando.
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I understand what you are saying, Robert, but what those people thought of their kings is one thing and what Jehovah prompted Daniel to write is another. I repeat the question again: What need would Daniel have to contrast iron with clay by saying that "they will become mixed with humans but they will not remain united"... A simple reading would seem coherent about the empire stealthily joining America... But it is obvious that by saying "They will become among humans" he is talking about something NON-HUMAN, because if he is referring to the empire, no matter how many servants of demons they are, they are still biologically human just like everyone else, then Daniel seems to be referring to something else not human
 
Paul resiliente said:
I understand what you are saying, Robert, but what those people thought of their kings is one thing and what Jehovah prompted Daniel to write is another. I repeat the question again: What need would Daniel have to contrast iron with clay by saying that "they will become mixed with humans but they will not remain united"... A simple reading would seem coherent about the empire stealthily joining America... But it is obvious that by saying "They will become among humans" he is talking about something NON-HUMAN, because if he is referring to the empire, no matter how many servants of demons they are, they are still biologically human just like everyone else, then Daniel seems to be referring to something else not human
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I don’t see it. To me it just represents the relatively harsh rule of Kings or those type of governments versus a government of the people, by the people and for the people. With the rise of the US government that was a new type of government. And, that is why the 2 don’t mix. To my understanding it is just simply that.
 
Watchman said:
Going back to Nimrod mankind has been ruled over by iron-fisted tyrants under controlled by demons. (nonhumans) The Egyptian pharaohs were not even thought to be human. And that is the way it has been up to the present British oligarchy, which also assumes to be gods. The advent of America was truly unique. For the first time in history, common people had a say in how they were governed. A Government by the People and for the People was novel. But, by stealth, the British oligarchy fused itself with the American republic in an unworkable fusion of empire and republic that is now fragmenting and falling apart.
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Now that makes sense. The republic of America is the clay, the British Oligarchy is the iron. Seems so simple.
 
Paul resiliente said:
I am going to raise this matter from another angle, because I have raised it twice and many continue to resist, embracing memories of Wachtower. I clarify that such an attitude does not bother me, it is understandable because most of us come from that organization that has been the means by which we learned the basic truth of the scriptures and paved the way to discover deeper truths, such as on this site by Robert al which, I repeat for the umpteenth time, I AM VERY GRATEFUL. Getting to the point: With the invasion of technology in these times and the increasingly implantation of transhumanism, it becomes evident that the future is about this. So my question is: Why would Jehovah leave us ignorant of these important things? Will the Bible speak of this matter? I personally believe that Jehovah would not hide these important things from us. And I think that Daniel in a portion of the book he talks about this, in chapter 2 when he mentions that the last kingdom that would face God would be composed of an ambiguity of "Clay and iron". Many have given it the meaning of the Anglo-American dual power, a theory that I initially assumed as such, but as time went by, doubts arose in my mind and, analyzing more, I wondered: Why Daniel, in a context that is talking about Clay and iron, marking the difference between his weakness and strength, he says in one part: "As you beheld IRON with wet clay, THEY WILL BECOME MIXED WITH THE PROLES OF MANKIND" (Daniel 3:43), did you catch the contrast that daniel makes between iron and clay? ? He talks about iron being MIXED WITH HUMAN OFFspring. Why would Daniel make such a contrast if he were talking about humans as the Wachtower says in his theory of America and Great Britain? It is evident that iron means something other than the biologically human created by Jehovah, and that it would "Mix with the offspring of mankind" in the latter part of this system. We do not know how it will be fulfilled in detail, but what is happening with the promotion of transhumanism and the "Solutions" of nanobots that extend life and many other things, is minimally worth considering. On the other hand, we know that Daniel is complemented by Revelation, and John tells us that an idolatrous image "will come to life and speak, and will kill everyone who does not worship it"... Something never seen. Could this be something related to advanced technology? Probably. Returning to the matter of iron and clay, we know that clay is a clear identification of the human being, created from dust by the potter Jehovah. And iron, to make an interesting mention, Tubal-Cain (Descendant of Cain and lineage of the serpent) was the one who began to design tools with this material (Genesis 4:22), and this same name appears in the coalition of names or parties that will be planning something harmful against the people of God (Ezekiel 38:3), then we have the mandate that Jehovah gives Moses to make altars but without using tools to cut the stones, where hammers or other things of iron, because otherwise the altar "would be desecrated", I do not want to go beyond the scripture, but perhaps Jehovah spoke in advance and laid the foundation for what iron would mean later in history, generally the Bible interprets itself and speaks in anachronistic mode. In summary, iron in the Bible represents Stubbornness, obstinacy, hardness, etc. There are many more details to add, but for Daniel to say that "They would mix with the offspring of humanity, but it won't turn out to stick to each other", it is evident that he is talking about something non-human that tries to adhere or join the being. human, but not compatible. Very interesting times are coming.
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In my humble opinion, I would suggest that the reason why the bible does not mention specific issues in respect of the end days, but instead, details the necessities of love, faith, and heart condition, is because the test is about our understanding and loyalty, appreciation and love of Jehovah. It is not about the means by which we are tested. We 9are drawn out by our own desire”, and our own desires are what condemn or exonerate us. Jehovah has not left us ignorant of anything we need to know to achieve that state. We are aware already of what ails us are we not? We know our faults, our desires. We better had, because those are the very things that will judge us. You are right. Everything is ambiguous today. It’s a sickness, but we know ourselves. We know whom we are and what we want. Any ambiguity in ourselves is actually evidence of the internal war of conscience.

In regards to your suggestion of resisting because of watchtower influence, I have to say that watchtower was spot on in its advice to be no part of the world. It has made their forays into the world so obvious that the brethren are waking up to it. The watchtower has a dual purpose both good and bad. It has fulfilled the former and now is fulfilling the latter and as such, is a beacon of evidence to Jehovah’s purpose if ever there was one. It is important to keep their fulfilment of prophesy in mind because for an example of the illustration for us in how our selfish desires can over-ride our love for what is right is actually paramount to our survival. It is a picture of truth, hope, faith, prophesy desire, corruption lies and deceit all rolled into one. It is also a thermometer of the times we live in. I keep watchtower firmly in my mind in much the same way as catholics can wear a spiked cilice, to remind them critical spiritual issues. It’s not ‘resistance‘ to the word, but a sound illustration for us from the Word. How would we know when to get out unless we understand why we should. Those that do not retain the message, throw out the truth along with it. Ex-JW sites are littered with their corpses. The only thing evident about the end is it’s fulfilment of prophesy. The means by which that is understood and responded to is not dependant on its many facets, but upon our faith and love of what is Jehovah. It’s that ”simple” and which in itself is an understatement to be sure.
 
Watchman said:
Going back to Nimrod mankind has been ruled over by iron-fisted tyrants under controlled by demons. (nonhumans) The Egyptian pharaohs were not even thought to be human. And that is the way it has been up to the present British oligarchy, which also assumes to be gods. The advent of America was truly unique. For the first time in history, common people had a say in how they were governed. A Government by the People and for the People was novel. But, by stealth, the British oligarchy fused itself with the American republic in an unworkable fusion of empire and republic that is now fragmenting and falling apart.
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It appears to be a timely intervention by Jehovah in laying the foundation of what was to come. It is something short of a miracle that the Americas were hardly inhabited for so long and that their growth was so pointed, different and accommodating. Where else could freedoms such as were enjoyed by the States been so accommodating to the truth. If watchtower had poked its head above water in England there would have been another witch-hunt to put Salem in the shade.
 
Paul resiliente said:
Yes, I read Robert's article, but as I said in the post, in that article I see a continuation of what the Wachtower interprets. I don't see the need for Daniel to contrast iron with clay in such a concrete way if it were about 2 human kingdoms competing. I'll let time speak anyway, I don't think Jehovah prompted Daniel to write a contrast between iron and clay so specifically just for the sake of it. In addition, the rest of the statue are also different metals but he never mentions that they try to mix with the clay. I insist: Jehovah must have warned what Satan would try to do with transhumanism to contaminate creation and one of the portions of applicable scriptures is this from Daniel. That's why he left the door open
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There are two antagonistic systems. In order to perpetuate their rule, the oligarchic system (iron) bestializes its subjects. The empires have been occupied with this going back to Babylon. The British imperial system has taken it to another level. It started with the postwar rollout of the Information Age. Transhumanism is the final frontier, the ultimate goal of the oligarchy, to utterly destroy the divine spark of human creativity. (clay)

Lyndon LaRouche had been exposing the empire's scheme to destroy the human mind for a very long time. He wrote a very lengthy piece back in 2000, supplying all the modern actors and the historical roots, which, of course, we know ultimately originates with Satan. You might want to invest the time and give it a read. Admittedly, it is a hard read but it informs us that artificial intelligence is not a new development. Information Society: A Doomed Empire of Evil
 
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SusanB said:
Your proposal is interesting and we do see advancements in AI. However, in regard to Daniel and the statue. The entire statue is metalic until the feet. It all symbolizes rulerships. The legs are iron and I think they represent the Roman Empire and the part of the feet that are also iron is the City of London that springs from the Roman Empire. The feet represent the dual rulership of the King of the North and the King of the South, who although they rule the world together, they really don’t stick together because they are 2 different systems. I’m wondering if you’ve read this thread because RK’s book covers this. Whether AI or some aspect will be involved, I don’t know but I don’t believe the statue refers to a mixing of human and AI.

Post in thread 'Chapter 13 - King of the North'
https://e-jehovahs-witnesses.com/index.php?threads/chapter-13-king-of-the-north.2566/post-63820
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I agree, though I too am not convinced that the means by which destruction is achieved is necessarily something we should concern ourselves with. The issue is of loyalty, and though death by any means is unwelcome, its methodology is secondary to its meaning in terms of faith. There are examples aplenty in the scripture from impaling to being thrown into a furnace and in the case of the furnace, if Jehovah wishes to make a point out of it, he does so in spectacular ways. But it is always in illustration of His attributes and their meaning to both those serving him, and those opposing. The issue of the mark of the beast has nothing to do with its form of presentation as the choice to serve it will be clear and concern our allegiance - no matter its presentation. Therefore the test is one of adherence to things spiritual and thus our task is in understanding and in love of the attributes of the spirit. Whatever form the test takes, no matter what threat it may pose to us, its meaning will be to break our faith. Our energies then would be best spent in inculcating our hearts in what is right. The attack when it comes, will be tailor made to our weakness. I used to wonder what sort of test was a loaf of bread to Christ. After forty days, hunger is far less of a desire than one might think. The offer of world rulership seemed an implausible offer even for kingdoms back then - but I have learnt a little insight here in that the test is about us as individuals. Always at our weakest point. Knowing what test, or from where it is from is of little help. Jesus came to die. Thus it was inevitable that he should. Satan’s task was to compromise him in any way he could before that goal was reached, right up to his last breath. By the same principle, we hope to live, but the same principle in opposition is levelled at us to make us fail before our goal is reached. How is knowing what test is going to be used or how, going to help us, because Satan is not going to choose our strong point of preparedness, but our weakest and of the most unexpected source.
 
Paul resiliente said:
I am going to raise this matter from another angle, because I have raised it twice and many continue to resist, embracing memories of Wachtower. I clarify that such an attitude does not bother me, it is understandable because most of us come from that organization that has been the means by which we learned the basic truth of the scriptures and paved the way to discover deeper truths, such as on this site by Robert al which, I repeat for the umpteenth time, I AM VERY GRATEFUL. Getting to the point: With the invasion of technology in these times and the increasingly implantation of transhumanism, it becomes evident that the future is about this. So my question is: Why would Jehovah leave us ignorant of these important things? Will the Bible speak of this matter? I personally believe that Jehovah would not hide these important things from us. And I think that Daniel in a portion of the book he talks about this, in chapter 2 when he mentions that the last kingdom that would face God would be composed of an ambiguity of "Clay and iron". Many have given it the meaning of the Anglo-American dual power, a theory that I initially assumed as such, but as time went by, doubts arose in my mind and, analyzing more, I wondered: Why Daniel, in a context that is talking about Clay and iron, marking the difference between his weakness and strength, he says in one part: "As you beheld IRON with wet clay, THEY WILL BECOME MIXED WITH THE PROLES OF MANKIND" (Daniel 3:43), did you catch the contrast that daniel makes between iron and clay? ? He talks about iron being MIXED WITH HUMAN OFFspring. Why would Daniel make such a contrast if he were talking about humans as the Wachtower says in his theory of America and Great Britain? It is evident that iron means something other than the biologically human created by Jehovah, and that it would "Mix with the offspring of mankind" in the latter part of this system. We do not know how it will be fulfilled in detail, but what is happening with the promotion of transhumanism and the "Solutions" of nanobots that extend life and many other things, is minimally worth considering. On the other hand, we know that Daniel is complemented by Revelation, and John tells us that an idolatrous image "will come to life and speak, and will kill everyone who does not worship it"... Something never seen. Could this be something related to advanced technology? Probably. Returning to the matter of iron and clay, we know that clay is a clear identification of the human being, created from dust by the potter Jehovah. And iron, to make an interesting mention, Tubal-Cain (Descendant of Cain and lineage of the serpent) was the one who began to design tools with this material (Genesis 4:22), and this same name appears in the coalition of names or parties that will be planning something harmful against the people of God (Ezekiel 38:3), then we have the mandate that Jehovah gives Moses to make altars but without using tools to cut the stones, where hammers or other things of iron, because otherwise the altar "would be desecrated", I do not want to go beyond the scripture, but perhaps Jehovah spoke in advance and laid the foundation for what iron would mean later in history, generally the Bible interprets itself and speaks in anachronistic mode. In summary, iron in the Bible represents Stubbornness, obstinacy, hardness, etc. There are many more details to add, but for Daniel to say that "They would mix with the offspring of humanity, but it won't turn out to stick to each other", it is evident that he is talking about something non-human that tries to adhere or join the being. human, but not compatible. Very interesting times are coming.
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@Paul resiliente

After reading this thread and meditating on it I have to agree that there was more to this prophecy in Daniel than meets the eye. For example, in line with what you stated you thought about what the mixing of the “iron and clay” could mean. Do you think that this somehow has a connection to what is said at Revelation 13:18?
“This is where it calls for wisdom: Let the one who has insight calculate the number of the wild beast, for it is a man’s number, and its number is 666.”

Since 666 is called “a man’s number“ indicating it has to do with imperfect fallen man. According to what you’re outlining here, wouldn’t it be likely, since the number six is being emphasized to the third degree and therefore highlights the imperfection of that which the beast represents or pictures?

It seems to me that AI or transhumanism comes very short of imperfect human.
Any thoughts?
 
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@Paul resiliente

After reading this thread and meditating on it I have to agree that there was more to this prophecy in Daniel than meets the eye. For example, in line with what you stated you thought about what the mixing of the “iron and clay” could mean. Do you think that this somehow has a connection to what is said at Revelation 13:18?
“This is where it calls for wisdom: Let the one who has insight calculate the number of the wild beast, for it is a man’s number, and its number is 666.”

Since 666 is called “a man’s number“ indicating it has to do with imperfect fallen man. According to what you’re outlining here, wouldn’t it be likely, since the number six is being emphasized to the third degree and therefore highlights the imperfection of that which the beast represents or pictures?

It seems to me that AI or transhumanism comes very short of imperfect human?
Any thoughts?
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Is there not conjecture that AI could be the conduit of Demons? If so; how could it be solely a man's number? Yet saying that an angels measure of a cubit is the same as a mans! Rev 21:17. Ooooh! Isn't it intriguing?
 
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