Biblical arguments against vaccination

Ireneo

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El CG tiene una agenda
Cada informe es un ladrillo en esa construcción
Pero la biblia dice en
2 Corintios 10: 5
Porque somos razonamientos que se derrumban y todo lo elevado que se levanta contra el conocimiento de Dios; + y ponemos todo pensamiento en cautiverio para hacerlo obediente al Cristo;

Es importante que entendamos cuán antibíblico es todo esto y que estamos
Listo para dejar claro lo correcto como dice pedro

1 Pedro 3:15
15 Más bien, santifica al Cristo como Señor * en tu corazón, + siempre listo para presentar una defensa + ante todo el que te exija una razón de la esperanza que hay en ti, pero haciéndolo junto con un genio apacible + y profundo respeto. *

El argumento que mencionaré ahora es el de 2 Corintios 7: 1.

Es increiblemente simple

Si el gobierno le pidiera fumar 1 cigarrillo cada 3 meses para poder circular por la calle, ¿lo aceptaría?
Ningún testigo de Jehová
¿Qué es más peligroso un cigarrillo o una inyección que daña tu corazón, hígado, riñones, cerebro y mucho más PERMANENTEMENTE?
 
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TruthLover

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For those in our congregation who questions why it is a defilement:

Romans 14:4 Who are you to judge the servant of another? To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for Jehovah can make him stand.

Romans 14:13,15 Therefore, let us not judge one another any longer but, rather, be determined not to put a stumbling block or an obstacle before a brother. I know and am convinced in the Lord Jesus that nothing is unclean in itself; only where a man considers something to be unclean, to him it is unclean.
 

Ireneo

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Para aquellos en nuestra congregación que cuestionan por qué es una contaminación:

Romanos 14: 4 ¿Quién eres tú para juzgar al siervo ajeno? Para su propio amo se levanta o cae. De hecho, se le hará estar en pie, porque Jehová puede hacer que esté en pie.

Romanos 14: 13,15 Por tanto, no nos juzguemos más los unos a los otros, sino que estemos decididos a no poner tropiezo ni obstáculo al hermano. Sé y estoy convencido en el Señor Jesús que nada es inmundo en sí mismo; solamente cuando un hombre considera que algo es inmundo, para él es inmundo.
Excellent, a few days ago we were talking about the same with my wife
I made him read all of chapter 14
The most interesting thing is that in chapter 13 Paul speaks of the higher authorities
Pablo would not have liked it to be argued to obey "cesar" and to judge the brothers for obeying their conscience
He would have considered it a miserable misrepresentation of his words
 

יהוה_saves

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that’s a good analogy Ireneo. I wish more JWs would reason it out like you do. Perhaps you could try to get your friends there to think. THINK!!!!/es una buena analogia Ireneo. Desearia que mas JWs lo explicara como tu Quizas podrias intentar que tus amigos piensen. THINK!!!!
 

Ireneo

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Otro argumento

El GB dice que debido a que somos pueblo de Jehová, él nos protegerá milagrosamente
Muchos son vacunados sabiendo que toman veneno, pero argumentan que Jehová no permitió que su pueblo desaparezca
Algo parecido hizo el diablo con Jesús
¿No te pidió que mostraras fe saltando del templo?
¿No cité el salmo y dije que Dios le daría protección divina?

Cristo dijo: "No debes poner a prueba a tu dios".

¿Sabías que hay religiosos que se dejan morder por serpientes venenosas para poner a prueba su fe en Dios?

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Se basan en la larga conclusión de Mark (agregado falso)


Allí dice en el capítulo 16

17 Además, estas señales acompañarán a los que creen: Al usar mi nombre, echarán fuera demonios, hablarán en lenguas, 18 y tomarán serpientes con las manos, y si beben algo mortal, no les hará daño. Sobre los enfermos pondrán las manos y sanarán ”.

Si Jesús no dijo eso y Dios no lo inspiró ………………. ¿QUIÉN PROMUEVE ESTAS IDEAS?
 
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Dorothea

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I have a second letter that was meant to be a rebuttal to the letter I received from headquarters about the vaccines. I never sent it. I basically gave up on them ever listening and I probably won't send it. But I thought I would share it here, as it has some points you all might find useful.

Dear Brothers,

Thank you so much for your letter dated July 12, 2021, in reply to my earlier correspondence. I am grateful for the time that you took to write to me and to answer specifically and thoroughly one of my questions. I want to respond to your comments and to share information which has come to light since I wrote my last letter. Thank you so much in advance for the time you take to read this letter.

I would particularly like to respond to this portion of your letter:

“When considering the use of cells harvested from an aborted fetus, the following two questions would need to be considered. First, is the abortion arranged with the express purpose of harvesting such cells? If so, then using those cells would make one directly complicit in the willful taking of a human life. Second, does the act of taking the desired cells from the fetus actually kill it? If so, that too would make the one using those cells complicit in the willful taking of human life.”

I have uncovered information which strongly suggests that the fetal cell lines which were used to manufacture and test vaccines may indeed have been taken from live fetuses, which process would have killed them. Furthermore, since the polio and rubella vaccines were developed before abortion was legalized and at a time when abortions were being performed for eugenical reasons on unwilling mothers, it seems reasonable to surmise that at least some of the many abortions which eventually produced the cell lines for those vaccines may have been performed against the will of the mothers, and possibly with the intention of acquiring fetal cells for research.

I have also discovered evidence that humanized mice were used in the development of the COVID-19 vaccines. There are several ways to humanize mice. The conventional way of humanizing mice is to engraft elements of a human immune system by using the thymus and livers of aborted babies. David Daleiden of Center for Medical Progress has discovered a document from the University of Pennsylvania that makes it clear that scientists are dissecting babies who are still alive in order to obtain their organs. Were the babies whose murdered bodies were used to provide “tissue” to humanize some of the mice for COVID-19 experimentation alive when they had their organs removed? I don’t know if there is any way to know for sure. But from what I have been able to discover, it is a definite possibility. This is information that, understandably, is not widely publicized and is in some cases openly denied.

Please see the enclosed documents and judge for yourselves whether this evidence is compelling enough to call into question what we have been told about aborted fetal cell research and about the particular cell lines that were used to manufacture and test the COVID-19 vaccines.

Because the evidence supporting these ideas seems to be to be reasonably strong, and because the implications are so horrifying, I believe that the mere chance they could be true is reason enough to shun any medical product that has been manufactured or tested using aborted fetal cell lines or other types of aborted fetal tissue. And I believe that all true Christians have a right to have access to this information so they can make a truly informed decision, just as we have been able to do in the case of blood fractions.

As far as the actual safety of vaccines, I understand that, as you stated, you feel that the “preponderance of established medical evidence” supports the conclusion that vaccines are safe and effective. As I expressed in my last letter, my contention has long been that the medical evidence we have that seems to support the idea that vaccines are safe and effective is highly flawed, much of it tainted by industry bias. There has never in the history of vaccination been a study done to compare the long-term health of the vaccinated vs. the completely unvaccinated. And most vaccine safety studies are performed without a true placebo (a completely inert substance), meaning that another vaccine or other type injection containing aluminum is used as a “placebo”. It is undeniable that some vaccines do provide some, often imperfect, disease immunity for varying periods of time (sometimes no longer than a few months or years). But at what cost? For some people, the cost is their long-term health or even their very lives. In my last letter, I cited a few of the many vaccine-critical studies published in respected medical journals. I realize that these studies are in the minority, but I do not feel that their authors had a non-medical agenda.

It seems perfectly reasonable to take certain medical risks to save a life. For example, my husband was dying of heart disease, so we felt that the considerable risk of open-heart surgery was worth it for him. But it is another matter entirely when considering vaccination. We vaccinate perfectly healthy people in hopes of protecting them from some hypothetical future threat, so the expectation has to be very high that these vaccines will not harm. Unfortunately, scientific evidence, some of which I presented in my last letter, suggests that claims that vaccines are safe and effective have been highly exaggerated. In the case of the COVID-19 vaccines, safety data is sorely lacking, and the signals which now show that these vaccines may be dangerous are being ignored by the medical establishment.

I do hope that, if you have not seen it before, you find this data to be compelling enough that you acknowledge that those of us who have chosen not to be vaccinated have some valid spiritual and personal reasons for this and that no one should try to coerce us to change our minds or make us feel that we are committing a wrong by not being vaccinated, as has happened to me and to others.

I again want to thank you brothers for all you do in an effort to “feed the little sheep.” I want to state again, as well, that I do understand the enormous pressure you must be under because of the current political situation. I will continue to pray that Jehovah blesses you with his holy spirit in all your endeavors, and that he strengthens and guides you.
 

Dorothea

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My defense:

Vaccination is a deliberate defilement of the body, which is to be a temple for the holy spirit. 2 Cor. 7:1; Rom. 12:1

I feel like the vaccination program could be viewed as a form of human sacrifice. People who get vaccinated are playing roulette with their lives, and those who promote the vaccines know this. They are knowingly sacrificing human beings, even children, on the alter of "herd immunity" and "the greater good." That is the exact reason why ancient pagans performed human sacrifice - to appease the gods to the greater good of the community: Deut. 12:30,31; Lev. 20:2-5; Ez. 23:36-39; Ez. 20:26

Promoting these vaccines has become a huge stumbling block to many people: Matt. 18:6-10; Rom. 14:20-23

The pandemic and vaccine agenda are being promoted by the world, which is lying in the power of the wicked one. 1 John 5:19-21; 2 Cor. 6:16; Ex. 23:2

This is a scripture Jehovah directed my attention to when I was feeling particularly grieved and angry. I hope it's of comfort to you too:

"Do not be upset because of evil men Or envious of wrongdoers. They will quickly wither like grass And shrivel like green new grass. Trust in Jehovah and do what is good; Reside in the earth, and act with faithfulness. Find exquisite delight in Jehovah, And he will grant you the desires of your heart. Commit your way to Jehovah; Rely on him, and he will act in your behalf. He will make your righteousness shine like daybreak, And your justice like the midday sun. Keep silent before Jehovah And wait expectantly for him. Do not be upset by the man Who succeeds in carrying out his schemes.Let go of anger and abandon rage; Do not become upset and turn to doing evil. For evil men will be done away with, But those hoping in Jehovah will possess the earth." - Psalms 37:1-10
 

Ireneo

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I have a second letter that was meant to be a rebuttal to the letter I received from headquarters about the vaccines. I never sent it. I basically gave up on them ever listening and I probably won't send it. But I thought I would share it here, as it has some points you all might find useful.
Excellent Dorotea
It is good to share our thoughts
They can be very helpful for those facing persecution
 

יהוה_saves

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My defense:

Vaccination is a deliberate defilement of the body, which is to be a temple for the holy spirit. 2 Cor. 7:1; Rom. 12:1

I feel like the vaccination program could be viewed as a form of human sacrifice. People who get vaccinated are playing roulette with their lives, and those who promote the vaccines know this. They are knowingly sacrificing human beings, even children, on the alter of "herd immunity" and "the greater good." That is the exact reason why ancient pagans performed human sacrifice - to appease the gods to the greater good of the community: Deut. 12:30,31; Lev. 20:2-5; Ez. 23:36-39; Ez. 20:26

Promoting these vaccines has become a huge stumbling block to many people: Matt. 18:6-10; Rom. 14:20-23

The pandemic and vaccine agenda are being promoted by the world, which is lying in the power of the wicked one. 1 John 5:19-21; 2 Cor. 6:16; Ex. 23:2

This is a scripture Jehovah directed my attention to when I was feeling particularly grieved and angry. I hope it's of comfort to you too:

"Do not be upset because of evil men Or envious of wrongdoers. They will quickly wither like grass And shrivel like green new grass. Trust in Jehovah and do what is good; Reside in the earth, and act with faithfulness. Find exquisite delight in Jehovah, And he will grant you the desires of your heart. Commit your way to Jehovah; Rely on him, and he will act in your behalf. He will make your righteousness shine like daybreak, And your justice like the midday sun. Keep silent before Jehovah And wait expectantly for him. Do not be upset by the man Who succeeds in carrying out his schemes.Let go of anger and abandon rage; Do not become upset and turn to doing evil. For evil men will be done away with, But those hoping in Jehovah will possess the earth." - Psalms 37:1-10
excellent reasoning Ireneo and Dorothea and Dorothea- the human sacrifice angle is a really interesting thought- isn’t that what Satan wants? A sacrifice to him. He looks for those he can devour. I’m glad you brought that to my attention. thank you.
 

Ireneo

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excellent reasoning Ireneo and Dorothea and Dorothea- the human sacrifice angle is a really interesting thought- isn’t that what Satan wants? A sacrifice to him. He looks for those he can devour. I’m glad you brought that to my attention. thank you.
Idolaters cut and hurt themselves to please their god
What did they do it for?
To obtain HEALTH and PROSPERITY
In their mind their god would grant them that if they followed the directives of the priests
Dorotea is right
This is a modern sacrifice to Molek
The vaccine cult has many priests
Many more than the 450 that Baal had
I hope Elias comes soon
 

יהוה_saves

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Idolaters cut and hurt themselves to please their god
What did they do it for?
To obtain HEALTH and PROSPERITY
In their mind their god would grant them that if they followed the directives of the priests
Dorotea is right
This is a modern sacrifice to Molek
The vaccine cult has many priests
Many more than the 450 that Baal had
I hope Elias comes soon
wow. it absolutely true.
 

TruthLover

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My defense:

Vaccination is a deliberate defilement of the body, which is to be a temple for the holy spirit. 2 Cor. 7:1; Rom. 12:1

I feel like the vaccination program could be viewed as a form of human sacrifice. People who get vaccinated are playing roulette with their lives, and those who promote the vaccines know this. They are knowingly sacrificing human beings, even children, on the alter of "herd immunity" and "the greater good." That is the exact reason why ancient pagans performed human sacrifice - to appease the gods to the greater good of the community: Deut. 12:30,31; Lev. 20:2-5; Ez. 23:36-39; Ez. 20:26

Promoting these vaccines has become a huge stumbling block to many people: Matt. 18:6-10; Rom. 14:20-23

The pandemic and vaccine agenda are being promoted by the world, which is lying in the power of the wicked one. 1 John 5:19-21; 2 Cor. 6:16; Ex. 23:2

This is a scripture Jehovah directed my attention to when I was feeling particularly grieved and angry. I hope it's of comfort to you too:

"Do not be upset because of evil men Or envious of wrongdoers. They will quickly wither like grass And shrivel like green new grass. Trust in Jehovah and do what is good; Reside in the earth, and act with faithfulness. Find exquisite delight in Jehovah, And he will grant you the desires of your heart. Commit your way to Jehovah; Rely on him, and he will act in your behalf. He will make your righteousness shine like daybreak, And your justice like the midday sun. Keep silent before Jehovah And wait expectantly for him. Do not be upset by the man Who succeeds in carrying out his schemes.Let go of anger and abandon rage; Do not become upset and turn to doing evil. For evil men will be done away with, But those hoping in Jehovah will possess the earth." - Psalms 37:1-10
Solid and concise, that's very helpful thank you (y)
 

SusanB

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The CG has an agenda
Each report is a brick in that construction
But the bible says in
2 Corinthians 10: 5
For we are collapsing reasonings and every lofty thing that rises up against the knowledge of God; + and we put every thought into captivity to make it obedient to the Christ;

It is important that we understand how unscriptural all of this is and that we are
Ready to make the right thing clear as pedro says

1 Peter 3:15
15 Rather, sanctify the Christ as Lord * in your heart, + always ready to present a defense + before everyone who demands of you a reason for the hope that is in you, but doing so together with a mild temper + and deep respect. *

The argument that I will mention now is that of 2 Corinthians 7: 1

It's incredibly simple

If the government asked you to smoke 1 cigarette every 3 months to be able to circulate on the street, would you accept?
No jehovah's witness would
What is more dangerous a cigarette or an injection that damages your heart liver kidneys brain and much more PERMANENTLY?

View attachment 46
I love the reasoning. Very logical.
 

SusanB

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I have a second letter that was meant to be a rebuttal to the letter I received from headquarters about the vaccines. I never sent it. I basically gave up on them ever listening and I probably won't send it. But I thought I would share it here, as it has some points you all might find useful.
Wow. Excellent letter. Thank you for sharing it. I will bookmark it because it is so clear.
 

SusanB

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My defense:

Vaccination is a deliberate defilement of the body, which is to be a temple for the holy spirit. 2 Cor. 7:1; Rom. 12:1

I feel like the vaccination program could be viewed as a form of human sacrifice. People who get vaccinated are playing roulette with their lives, and those who promote the vaccines know this. They are knowingly sacrificing human beings, even children, on the alter of "herd immunity" and "the greater good." That is the exact reason why ancient pagans performed human sacrifice - to appease the gods to the greater good of the community: Deut. 12:30,31; Lev. 20:2-5; Ez. 23:36-39; Ez. 20:26

Promoting these vaccines has become a huge stumbling block to many people: Matt. 18:6-10; Rom. 14:20-23

The pandemic and vaccine agenda are being promoted by the world, which is lying in the power of the wicked one. 1 John 5:19-21; 2 Cor. 6:16; Ex. 23:2

This is a scripture Jehovah directed my attention to when I was feeling particularly grieved and angry. I hope it's of comfort to you too:

"Do not be upset because of evil men Or envious of wrongdoers. They will quickly wither like grass And shrivel like green new grass. Trust in Jehovah and do what is good; Reside in the earth, and act with faithfulness. Find exquisite delight in Jehovah, And he will grant you the desires of your heart. Commit your way to Jehovah; Rely on him, and he will act in your behalf. He will make your righteousness shine like daybreak, And your justice like the midday sun. Keep silent before Jehovah And wait expectantly for him. Do not be upset by the man Who succeeds in carrying out his schemes.Let go of anger and abandon rage; Do not become upset and turn to doing evil. For evil men will be done away with, But those hoping in Jehovah will possess the earth." - Psalms 37:1-10
Thank you Dorothea. It was like a soothing balm on a sore wound to read your post today. I get way too upset and I think my blood pressure is too high with what is going on. And, yes, this is sacrificing the friends and even the children to Satan. It’s so awful.
 

יהוה_saves

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i think folks making these sacrifices for the greater good are missing a huge part of this- that the sacrifice they are making are to their patent holders, and those who survive may become under control of their patent holders- like real control, via 5g frequency command and contrôl like the command and control economy. press a button and make them do this or think this way. erase memorris, implant new ones. the implications of these injections is far reaching. those who are doing this to mankind are seeking to turn people into a tradeable commodity. sickos!!!!
 

Ireneo

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Argumento de división

Es importante leer toda la carta de Galacia para entender la idea (escucharla en audio dura menos de media hora).
Allí Pablo los corrige porque se estaban desviando.
Alguien de gran autoridad los estaba presionando para corromper las "buenas nuevas".
Pablo dice que incluso si un ángel declara algo más allá de las buenas nuevas, debe ser maldecido.
Lo repite 2 veces (testimonio verdadero).
El problema fue la circuncisión.
Algunos lo promovieron como un requisito para ser aprobado por Dios.
Menciona que va a Jerusalén y se encuentra con los apóstoles.
Dice que lo que eran antes no importaba.
Dice que su apariencia no es lo importante.
Luego menciona que corrige a Pedro y Bernabé por DISCRIMINAR a los incircuncisos.
Explica en la parte final que quienes promovieron la circuncisión lo hicieron por miedo.
Él dice:

6:12 Todos los que quieren presentar una apariencia agradable en la carne son los que tratan de obligarlos a circuncidarse, + solo para que no sean perseguidos por el madero de tormento * del Cristo, + Jesús. *

El problema fue la división que se generó en la congregación.

Pablo lo menciona así

3:26 Todos ustedes, de hecho, son hijos + de Dios por medio de su fe en Cristo Jesús. 27 Porque todos los que fueron bautizados en Cristo + se han revestido de Cristo. * + 28 No hay judío ni griego, + no hay esclavo ni libre, + no hay hombre ni mujer; + porque todos sois una [persona] en unión con Cristo Jesús. +


Aplicación actual

El GB, por miedo a las autoridades y para complacer al mundo, se subió al "Tren" de la vacuna y la histeria del covid

Ha decretado que hay que vacunarse.

Ha comenzado a separar a los hermanos.

En las congregaciones, los no vacunados son vistos como "no espirituales".

Los hermanos parten de los "no vacunados".

Esta discriminación está siendo impulsada por algunos que son como "ángeles descendidos del cielo" para los hermanos.

Pero Pablo lo tiene claro.

Esto debe corregirse señalando a los responsables.

No tienen autoridad para agregar a la palabra de Dios.

No es pecado corregir al GB por su pecado.

Corregirlos es lo que haría cualquier cristiano leal.
 
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Ireneo

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El argumento de la facultad de la razón

Este argumento ya ha sido mencionado pero me gusta mucho.

Romanos 12: 1,2 dice

12 Por tanto, hermanos, os exhorto por la compasión de Dios a presentar vuestros cuerpos + como sacrificio vivo, santo + y aceptable para GB, un servicio sagrado con el poder de la razón. + 2 Y dejen de ser moldeados por este sistema de cosas, * pero sean transformados al rehacer su mente, + para que puedan probarse a sí mismos + la buena y agradable y perfecta voluntad de Dios.

Aquí hay ideas interesantes

Se dice que debemos ofrecer nuestros cuerpos en forma de sacrificio santo A DIOS.
Este sacrificio y ofrenda debe ir acompañado de LÓGICA Y RAZÓN
NO DEBEMOS LLAMARNOS AL MUNDO

resumiendo

Si pensamos que la vacuna tiene algo mal y a pesar de ello nos vacunamos por la presión del GB entonces

Hemos ofrecido nuestro cuerpo al GB
Hemos contaminado nuestro cuerpo
Hemos actuado contra la razón
Nos hemos amoldado al mundo

Es decir, hemos cometido varios pecados.

El Gb está poniendo un tropiezo a los hermanos y haciéndolos pecar
Conozco a varios que sé que no quisieron vacunar y lo hicieron bajo presión

Santiago 4:17 dice: Por lo tanto, si alguien sabe hacer lo correcto pero no lo hace, ya está pecando. +

El GB también peca presionando a los hermanos
Saben muy bien que hay que respetar la conciencia y el razonamiento individuales.
Al exigir obediencia ciega, exigen más que jehová
Según Romanos, Jehová les pide obediencia razonada. ¿Son más que él?
 
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