Chapter 17 - Habakkuk

[SusanB]

I found this scripture very interesting and it highlights how Habakkuk recognized the importance of accepting correction, and he was a prophet!
In fact, he not only expected to be corrected but he looked for it.

Habakkuk 2:1: “At my guardpost I will keep standing, And I will station myself on the rampart. I will keep watch to see what he will speak by means of me And what I will reply when I am reproved.”

 

[SusanB]

I love that Jehovah wants us to understand Habakkuk and read it. The message is important to know and this verse makes that clear:

Habakkuk 2:2: “Jehovah then answered me:“Write down the vision, and inscribe it clearly on tablets, So that the one reading aloud from it may do so easily.”

In Jehovah’s answer he points out that the Chaldean is actually sinning against himself and don’t we see that today with the corruption?

Habakkuk 2:6-10: “Will not all of these speak a proverb, an allusion, and riddles against him? They will say: ‘Woe to him who accumulates what is not his—For how long?—And who makes even greater his own debt! Will not your creditors rise up suddenly?They will wake up and violently shake you, And you will become something for them to plunder. Because you plundered many nations, All the rest of the peoples will plunder you, Because of your shedding men’s blood And your violence to the earth, To the cities and those living in them. Woe to the one who makes evil gain for his house, So as to set his nest on the height, To escape the grasp of calamity! You have plotted shame against your house. By wiping out many peoples you sin against yourself.”

 

[Watchman]

We really have not seen the nations plundered yet. It is not something that will transpire over decades. The book of Joel shows it will happen very suddenly like a swarm of locusts descending on a field. The creditors who will rise up suddenly are those whom God will give the Kingdom. The heavenly kings will overthrow the "Chaldeans" and the great crowd will plunder them. Taking everything that is not devoted to destruction.

 

[SusanB]

We really have not seen the nations plundered yet. It is not something that will transpire over decades. The book of Joel shows it will happen very suddenly like a swarm of locusts descending on a field. The creditors who will rise up suddenly are those whom God will give the Kingdom. The heavenly kings will overthrow the "Chaldeans" and the great crowd will plunder them. Taking everything that is not devoted to destruction.

Great clarification. I didn’t realize but now I do.

 

[StopTheInsanity]

We really have not seen the nations plundered yet. It is not something that will transpire over decades. The book of Joel shows it will happen very suddenly like a swarm of locusts descending on a field. The creditors who will rise up suddenly are those whom God will give the Kingdom. The heavenly kings will overthrow the "Chaldeans" and the great crowd will plunder them. Taking everything that is not devoted to destruction.

So is this "plundering" similar to what happened when the Israelites came into the Promised Land and took the homes and vineyards from the Canaanites and lived in them, or is there a different meaning to the term?

Also, in what sense will God try to "plunder" in Ezekiel 38? The verses say precious metals, but I would guess that we already would've had our homes and wealth stripped away, so what exactly is Gog trying to plunder?

Thanks.

 

[SusanB]

There are so many new names to remember, the Chaldean, the Assyrian a cedar tree and I forget who is who. Sorry if I caused any confusion but I’m guessing that the fulfillment of the Chaldean doesn’t happen until the globalists actually take power via the 8th King. I get confused. However, I am loving the review of Habakkuk and here is another quote that I found interesting.

Habakkuk 2:18-20: “Of what benefit is a carved image When its maker has carved it? Of what benefit is a metal statue and a teacher of lies, Even though its maker trusts in it, Making worthless gods that are speechless? Woe to the one who says to a piece of wood, “Awake!” Or to a speechless stone, “Wake up! Instruct us!” Look! It is overlaid in gold and silver, And there is no breath at all within it. But Jehovah is in his holy temple. Be silent before him, all the earth!’”

I believe that the Watchtower as an organization has become an idol and I know many on the forum agree with that statement. So, if I apply the principles in this scripture to the organization, even thought it isn’t a metal statute, its structure has certainly been made or devised or organized by men and so you could say they “carved it”. In a symbolic sense they have overlaid it in gold and silver because they have used the valuable things, whether donations of money, time or effort, to make it beautiful and shine. But without Jehovah‘s direction it is really worthless and has no instructive value. We are told to be silent before Jehovah, which to me means “shut up and listen”. If we listen to anyone it should be our Creator. I know that I have a tendency to talk too much and listening is very underrated and yet so important.

 

[SusanB]

I know I don’t look forward to the hardships and tragedies that are coming and yet I think we all want to get it over with so that we can get a bit closer to seeing God’s Kingdom come to the forefront. Even so, we rely on Jehovah’s mercy to sustain us. So, this scripture in Habakkuk conveys that same thought and here is a quote from Robert King’s book that includes the scripture:

”As is the case with numerous other prophecies, it is evident that Jehovah has also concealed the true meaning of Habakkuk until such time as the vision comes to life. As if a sleeping leviathan suddenly awakens to prey upon an unsuspecting world, that is the way the vision is presented. That is why at Habakkuk 3:1 the prophet implores Jehovah with these words: “O Jehovah, I have heard the report about you. I am in awe, O Jehovah, of your activity. In the midst of the years bring it to life! In the midst of the years make it known. May you remember to show mercy during the turmoil.”

At this late date, as the world seems to be on an unalterable death march towards eventual all-out war and the inevitable use of weapons of mass destruction, it seems particularly timely to consider what the vision of Habakkuk actually portends for the future.”

 

[SusanB]

Robert King comments on the meaning of Habakkuk 1:6: “For here I am raising up the Chal·deʹans, The ruthless and impetuous nation. They sweep through vast stretches of the earth To seize homes not theirs.”

Quote: “Empires have always prospered by means of plundering nations and peoples. According to Habakkuk the last empire is destined to pillage and enslave the whole world! Or as the sixth verse states: “They sweep through vast stretches of the earth to seize homes not theirs.” That is no small feat. How might such a calamity come about? In modern times, communistic governments have simply revoked the rights of their citizens and confiscated all private property. However, capitalism has the same capacity to dispossess— albeit in less overt ways. This may be accomplished through promoting excessive indebtedness, because as the Bible observes, the borrower becomes a slave of the lender. Governments may also enslave and impoverish their subjects through graduated heavier taxation, sudden currency devaluation, or hyper- inflating the amount of currency in circulation, thus rendering it worthless.

In view of the world’s precarious economic and financial condition presently; as individuals, corporations, and nations sink deeper and deeper into a quagmire of unpayable debt, there is now the looming specter of a debt default or hyperinflation triggering a sudden, catastrophic, meltdown-scenario with the potential to simply disintegrate the entire debt-burdened economic structure. Because of the interconnectedness of the global financial system, the collapse of a single large institution or nation may set off the dreaded chain-reaction, the so-called domino scenario, which could bring down the entire house of cards.

Without a doubt, the computer-wired age means that the entire world may be virtually foreclosed on in the event of a systemic crash. As has been demonstrated, stock markets can crash with breathtaking suddenness. Currencies may be devalued. Giant corporations that employ tens of thousands of people may go bankrupt. Banks that seem rock solid prove to be an illusion. Money itself is destined by the prophets to become as so much paper confetti to be thrown into the streets. How quickly might civilization change if common everyday financial transactions became impossible?”

When I think of the term Robert King uses, “domino scenario” and chain-reaction, I recall during 2008 they described the stock market crash as a “cascading crash”. In any of those descriptions it is clear that once it starts there will be no turning back.

 

[StopTheInsanity]

Robert King comments on the meaning of Habakkuk 1:6: “For here I am raising up the Chal·deʹans, The ruthless and impetuous nation. They sweep through vast stretches of the earth To seize homes not theirs.”

Quote: “Empires have always prospered by means of plundering nations and peoples. According to Habakkuk the last empire is destined to pillage and enslave the whole world! Or as the sixth verse states: “They sweep through vast stretches of the earth to seize homes not theirs.” That is no small feat. How might such a calamity come about? In modern times, communistic governments have simply revoked the rights of their citizens and confiscated all private property. However, capitalism has the same capacity to dispossess— albeit in less overt ways. This may be accomplished through promoting excessive indebtedness, because as the Bible observes, the borrower becomes a slave of the lender. Governments may also enslave and impoverish their subjects through graduated heavier taxation, sudden currency devaluation, or hyper- inflating the amount of currency in circulation, thus rendering it worthless.

In view of the world’s precarious economic and financial condition presently; as individuals, corporations, and nations sink deeper and deeper into a quagmire of unpayable debt, there is now the looming specter of a debt default or hyperinflation triggering a sudden, catastrophic, meltdown-scenario with the potential to simply disintegrate the entire debt-burdened economic structure. Because of the interconnectedness of the global financial system, the collapse of a single large institution or nation may set off the dreaded chain-reaction, the so-called domino scenario, which could bring down the entire house of cards.

Without a doubt, the computer-wired age means that the entire world may be virtually foreclosed on in the event of a systemic crash. As has been demonstrated, stock markets can crash with breathtaking suddenness. Currencies may be devalued. Giant corporations that employ tens of thousands of people may go bankrupt. Banks that seem rock solid prove to be an illusion. Money itself is destined by the prophets to become as so much paper confetti to be thrown into the streets. How quickly might civilization change if common everyday financial transactions became impossible?”

When I think of the term Robert King uses, “domino scenario” and chain-reaction, I recall during 2008 they described the stock market crash as a “cascading crash”. In any of those descriptions it is clear that once it starts there will be no turning back.

 

[SusanB]

I hope and pray all the people that I know, the forum members and all brothers and sisters are prepared to not only identify the mark of the beast when it presents itself, but also that we all have faith strong enough to refuse it. We can all pray for Jehovah’s holy spirit that can give us the discernment we will need. I know that the vaccine is not the mark of the beast but I do think it is a glimpse into the type of pressure that the bible clearly tells us that we will have to endure. No buying, no selling, misleading signs and compulsion are descriptions of how people will be induced to accept the mark. So, with this in mind, I was very interested to read Robert King’s comments in this chapter:

”Through Habakkuk, Jehovah foretells that when the appointed time for the vision to come to life arrives, the Neo-Chaldean empire “keeps gathering all the nations and collecting for himself all the peoples.”

The gathering and collecting of all the peoples and all the nations should not be mistaken for any sort of peaceful unification. They are gathered and collected into his fisherman’s net as captured prey. The dispossession of the nations will make them dependent upon the largess of the merciless last king. The Chaldean is destined to bring all the nations to ruin. That is why at Jeremiah 51:25 Babylon is addressed as: “You destroyer of the whole earth.”

That is the day when men will be forced by sheer desperation of circumstance to give an accounting as regards whom they worship.
God’s pronouncement against the Chaldean condemns him for coercing mankind into venerating a mere idol, saying: “Woe to the one who gives his companions something to drink, adding to it rage and anger, to make them drunk, in order to look on their nakedness! You will be glutted with dishonor rather than glory. You too—drink and expose your uncircumcised condition. The cup in the right hand of Jehovah will come around to you, and disgrace will cover over your glory...” (Habakkuk 2:15-16) Paul similarly condemns Christians who self-indulgently make a god of their own gut. Likewise, Jesus warned his followers to be very careful not to become weighed down by heavy eating and over drinking, so that the day of Jehovah might not be a snare for them.

Habakkuk indicates that spiritual neglect and over-indulgence may lead to being ensnared because of not having the spiritual strength to resist drinking from the cup of rage that the enraged king will pass among mankind. During a time of scarcity and rationing many will allow themselves to become mere idol worshipers in a vain attempt to keep their souls alive.”

 

[evw]

I hope and pray all the people that I know, the forum members and all brothers and sisters are prepared to not only identify the mark of the beast when it presents itself, but also that we all have faith strong enough to refuse it. We can all pray for Jehovah’s holy spirit that can give us the discernment we will need. I know that the vaccine is not the mark of the beast but I do think it is a glimpse into the type of pressure that the bible clearly tells us that we will have to endure. No buying, no selling, misleading signs and compulsion are descriptions of how people will be induced to accept the mark. So, with this in mind, I was very interested to read Robert King’s comments in this chapter:

”Through Habakkuk, Jehovah foretells that when the appointed time for the vision to come to life arrives, the Neo-Chaldean empire “keeps gathering all the nations and collecting for himself all the peoples.”

The gathering and collecting of all the peoples and all the nations should not be mistaken for any sort of peaceful unification. They are gathered and collected into his fisherman’s net as captured prey. The dispossession of the nations will make them dependent upon the largess of the merciless last king. The Chaldean is destined to bring all the nations to ruin. That is why at Jeremiah 51:25 Babylon is addressed as: “You destroyer of the whole earth.”

That is the day when men will be forced by sheer desperation of circumstance to give an accounting as regards whom they worship.
God’s pronouncement against the Chaldean condemns him for coercing mankind into venerating a mere idol, saying: “Woe to the one who gives his companions something to drink, adding to it rage and anger, to make them drunk, in order to look on their nakedness! You will be glutted with dishonor rather than glory. You too—drink and expose your uncircumcised condition. The cup in the right hand of Jehovah will come around to you, and disgrace will cover over your glory...” (Habakkuk 2:15-16) Paul similarly condemns Christians who self-indulgently make a god of their own gut. Likewise, Jesus warned his followers to be very careful not to become weighed down by heavy eating and over drinking, so that the day of Jehovah might not be a snare for them.

Habakkuk indicates that spiritual neglect and over-indulgence may lead to being ensnared because of not having the spiritual strength to resist drinking from the cup of rage that the enraged king will pass among mankind. During a time of scarcity and rationing many will allow themselves to become mere idol worshipers in a vain attempt to keep their souls alive.”

It's my greatest fear, not the war no matter how disgusting, not the hunger, not the diseases, that's all physical, but not being able to identify the mark. If you've been cheated, lied to and manipulated all your life, even now by the ones you should trust the most. I feel the fear of not being able to make the right decision to choose for Jehovah and being able to help my sisters.

 

[SusanB]

Is

It's my greatest fear, not the war no matter how disgusting, not the hunger, not the diseases, that's all physical, but not being able to identify the mark. If you've been cheated, lied to and manipulated all your life, even now by the ones you should trust the most. I feel the fear of not being able to make the right decision to choose for Jehovah and being able to help my sisters.

Isn’t it interesting that Robert understood how it could be connected to a weakness from being spoiled by over-eating and heavy drinking and that could be a snare? Robert wrote this long before COVID happened because he knew it from the scriptures and the discernment that Jehovah gave to him. Material needs is exactly why some caved to the vaccine. And, when you consider family obligations and concerns for those we love, then our faith along with Jehovah’s spirit can strengthen us.

 

[evw]

Is

Isn’t it interesting that Robert understood how it could be connected to a weakness from being spoiled by over-eating and heavy drinking and that could be a snare? Robert wrote this long before COVID happened because he knew it from the scriptures and the discernment that Jehovah gave to him. Material needs is exactly why some caved to the vaccine. And, when you consider family obligations and concerns for those we love, then our faith along with Jehovah’s spirit can strengthen us.

All the info now accessible through Robert is indeed astonishing. I feel like I'm a bottomless pit, unable to hold all the information. So I translate everything, to make sure I have the right understanding and try to stick to it. That's why I'm so happy with your initiative to sift through Robert's book chapter by chapter

 

[Watchman]

This is an interesting development. The UN has declared that there is a grave global crisis that must be immediately dealt with. What could that possibly be? Nuclear war? Nope. Impending financial collapse and resultant food shortages? Nope.

UN Secretary-General Proposes 'Global Digital Compact' To Push Laws Against Online 'Hate'​

He went on to say that vaccination skeptics were going to be specifically targeted. If you speak about the death-dealing injections they are going to come after you. But it is worse than that. If you read the article it becomes clear that the United Nations is being set up to be the arbiter of truth. Their real enemy is not really vaccination skeptics. It is us. The Bible will be declared a book of hate and lies because it condemns Satan's wicked world and people who preach God's word will be persecuted as promoters of hate and lies. No doubt the WT is already out in front of this. That is why they say nothing about the Nazi-like promotion of LBGTQ perversity that is gripping the Western world.

 

[Watchman]

This is hilarious: A longtime Fox News techie posted a banner message under the screenshot saying: Wannabe Dictator Speaks at the Whitehouse After Having His Political Rival Arrested. It was up for 30 seconds before it was taken down and the fellow who posted it was immediately fired. Truth ain't allowed. Tucker Carlson had a good time with it.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1669472439472988161

 

[Watchman]

The original members of the BRICS economic alliance have already surpassed the combined economies of the so-called G-7. The "G" stands for "great." Let that sink in. The great economies of the world are no longer that great. And now that the BRICS have demonstrated their power 20 more nations have applied to join. This will be many more BRICS in the wall, so to speak. It is why the Anglo beast is promoting war against Russia and China, the military core of the BRICS. Were not Russia and China every bit the military counterweight to the NATO military alliance London would have crushed BRICS long ago. War and crashing the system is the only way to prevent BRICS+ from overturning the empires' control over the nations. The Anglo masters know what they have to do. Blow everything up and then rule over the ruins with an iron fist. They are going to do God's work. Is it not written in Habakkuk?

Nations lining up to join BRICS – Russian deputy FM

Russian Deputy Foreign Minister has described to the media the preparations for the planned expansion of the club

www.rt.com

 

[Watchman]

Robert Kennedy JR is a rare truth-teller. I am surprised YouTube allows him a platform. Unfortunately, it is hard to listen to RK because his voice is so damaged. Apparently, he suffered a crushed larynx some time ago. What I find lacking though, is even though he speaks about the military-industrial complex and the duplicitous CIA, he makes no connection to the British Empire having subverted the institutions of the US, including the presidency, in order to perpetuate the private financier system run out of the City of London. He is spot on though about China picking up where JFK left off. Again, that is why the beast is going to blow everything up.

 

[SusanB]

The original members of the BRICS economic alliance have already surpassed the combined economies of the so-called G-7. The "G" stands for "great." Let that sink in. The great economies of the world are no longer that great. And now that the BRICS have demonstrated their power 20 more nations have applied to join. This will be many more BRICS in the wall, so to speak. It is why the Anglo beast is promoting war against Russia and China, the military core of the BRICS. Were not Russia and China every bit the military counterweight to the NATO military alliance London would have crushed BRICS long ago. War and crashing the system is the only way to prevent BRICS+ from overturning the empires' control over the nations. The Anglo masters know what they have to do. Blow everything up and then rule over the ruins with an iron fist. They are going to do God's work. Is it not written in Habakkuk?

Nations lining up to join BRICS – Russian deputy FM

Russian Deputy Foreign Minister has described to the media the preparations for the planned expansion of the club

www.rt.com

Habakkuk is a relatively short book but fully packed with great prophecies and information.

 

[BARNABY THE DOG.]

Robert Kennedy JR is a rare truth-teller. I am surprised YouTube allows him a platform. Unfortunately, it is hard to listen to RK because his voice is so damaged. Apparently, he suffered a crushed larynx some time ago. What I find lacking though, is even though he speaks about the military-industrial complex and the duplicitous CIA, he makes no connection to the British Empire having subverted the institutions of the US, including the presidency, in order to perpetuate the private financier system run out of the City of London. He is spot on though about China picking up where JFK left off. Again, that is why the beast is going to blow everything up.

What Kennedy says is true. When one compares the huge depopulation issues and derelict towns and cities in America, compared to how prosperous it was fifty years ago, China has been like a phoenix rising from the ashes - but is rapidly finding out that spending on credit cannot last. It’s master-stroke seems to have been to buy into other countries and make them debt dependant on China - a giant land-grab through deceit. It seems to have worked.

 

[Paula]

What Kennedy says is true. When one compares the huge depopulation issues and derelict towns and cities in America, compared to how prosperous it was fifty years ago, China has been like a phoenix rising from the ashes - but is rapidly finding out that spending on credit cannot last. It’s master-stroke seems to have been to buy into other countries and make them debt dependant on China - a giant land-grab through deceit. It seems to have worked.

I was so trusting of China.