Jim
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I too received a religious exemption. I did not mention in my letter anything about JW. The "organization" is not my conscience. And certainly not a source of medical advice for me either.
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SusanB
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But it does help identify where they fit into the scriptures. Notice they are the ones who place themselves in the position of Moses and it wasn’t Jehovah that did that.
Matthew 23:1-7: “Then Jesus spoke to the crowds and to his disciples, saying: ‘The scribes and the Pharisees have seated themselves in the seat of Moses. Therefore, all the things they tell you, do and observe, but do not do according to their deeds, for they say but they do not practice what they say. They bind up heavy loads and put them on the shoulders of men, but they themselves are not willing to budge them with their finger. All the works they do, they do to be seen by men, for they broaden the scripture-containing cases that they wear as safeguards and lengthen the fringes of their garments. They like the most prominent place at evening meals and the front seats in the synagogues and the greetings in the marketplaces and to be called Rabbi by men.’“
I agree with that, and I did not dispute that they had placed themselves in Moses' seat. This just struck a chord: 'According to them, they have the authority to issue health regulations, as Moses did.' Sorry.
Yet there is something in that text that I do not understand, perhaps you can clarify it for me?
'Therefore, all the things they tell you, do and observe, but do not do according to their deeds,'
How can I 'do and observe al the things they tell me' but not doing them???
Medi-tator
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SusanB
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They mostly teach the principles that are clearly in the bible, while they make exceptions for themselves. For example, one of their current articles on the website is about how women should be treated. Here is a quote from that article regarding someone who has been molested and yet they have been the source of mistreatment of victims of sexual abuse.
Scripture: “Throw all your anxiety on [God], because he cares for you.”—1 Peter 5:7.
Meaning: When you pray, God really listens. (Psalm 55:22; 65:2) Because he cares, he can help you understand how valuable you really are.
Will God ever stop the mistreatment of women?
Scripture: “Jehovah . . . will render justice to the fatherless and to those who are crushed, so that mortal man of the earth may no longer make them afraid.”—Psalm 10:17, 18.Meaning: God will soon eradicate all injustice, including cruelty to and violence against women.
Thank you, it's certainly not your fault, but more my English translation. So I'm going to try to explain what I find difficult about this text and I'll take the vaxx as an example, without intending any judgement.
They said we should take the vax, 'do as they say', except for Lett who clearly has the consequences of a real vax, they either didn't take the vax or had a placebo, 'but not as they do' . Which means to me that according to this Biblical statement I should have taken the vax, 'do as they say'.
It has been clear to me for a long time that they are a bunch of lying hypocrites. But what concerns me is the Biblical statement that I don't understand. Hopefully it's a bit clearer what I mean?
SusanB
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It doesn’t say do everything they say, otherwise, they would be masters over your faith. I think it is clearly implied that when they teach bible principles, we should align our conduct to those principles. Getting vaccinated is not a bible principle and neither is coercing others into risking their lives on a poison vaccine.
Ana
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Lo de dirigir va con ellos totalmente. Directos al matadero. Jeremías 23:”Yo no envié a los profetas; no obstante, ellos mismos corrieron. No les hablé; no obstante, ellos mismos profetizaron.22 Pero si se hubieran parado en mi grupo íntimo, entonces habrían hecho que mi pueblo oyera mis propias palabras, y habrían hecho que se volvieran de su camino malo y de la maldad de sus tratos”.
kirmmy
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Translated with the goo:
Directing is totally up to them. Straight to the slaughterhouse. Jeremiah 23: “I did not send the prophets; However, they ran themselves. I didn't speak to them; nevertheless, they themselves prophesied.22 But if they had stood in my intimate group, then they would have made my people hear my own words, and would have turned them from their evil way and from the evil of their dealings.”
Directing is totally up to them. Straight to the slaughterhouse. Jeremiah 23: “I did not send the prophets; However, they ran themselves. I didn't speak to them; nevertheless, they themselves prophesied.22 But if they had stood in my intimate group, then they would have made my people hear my own words, and would have turned them from their evil way and from the evil of their dealings.”
Proverbs 14 v 15
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AstraZeneca admits its Covid vaccine can cause rare side effect in court documents for first time
Pharmaceutical giant being sued in class action over claims its vaccine caused death and serious injury in dozens of cases
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Proverbs 14 v 15
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Slowly slowly coming out in the mainstream. Astra Zeneca being sued for the miracle potion from JehovahAstraZeneca admits its Covid vaccine can cause rare side effect in court documents for first time
Pharmaceutical giant being sued in class action over claims its vaccine caused death and serious injury in dozens of cases
SusanB
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Yes it is pretty much out in mainstream now. However it appears to me that the majority of brothers and sisters will stick to the narrative that the GB directions saved them from dying of COVID. Unless the GB would admit their error, which they won't do. They will probably follow the 1975 pattern and just insist each vaccinated brother and sister made their free choice of medical treatments and its just sad that they chose wrongly. In fact I've already heard that. It worked in 1975 for 2 reasons. One being that video replays weren't the order of the day but they are today. The 2nd being that the 1975 error didn't kill anyone. It impoverished them, but I assume most recovered. The COVID vaccine is completely different and it has exposed them in a way that is undeniable, although they will still try.Slowly slowly coming out in the mainstream. Astra Zeneca being sued for the miracle potion from Jehovah
kirmmy
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I've also seen another way that they may have killed people. When they said organ transplants were cannibalism and forbid them in the 70s for a couple of years. Some may have died from that until the WBTS had an "epiphany" and decided organ transplants were OK. And what of those they spiritually killed by DFing them for daring to get an organ transplant? They sure didn't apologize and welcome them back into the fold.
Yes, it's nothing compared to the shots but it's still a strong possibility that their prohibition on a conscience matter killed some.
I was told I was trying to be smarter than Jehovah, but we all come before Jesus and he wants to judge us by our actions and not by what the mRNA has done......
Proverbs 14 v 15
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Yes, a lot of what was involved in the 1975 debacle could be "hidden" or muddied in the waters so to speak. But as you say, all the videos are on record, and if they try to remove any of them like they've done with AM the 3rd, the 2 shunning videos from last year's convention and several others, there's a website (I forget what it's called at this moment) that collects everything for future reference
Proverbs 14 v 15
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Indeed, all this kinda stuff really ought to be a conscience matter, as it is in the world. Even before I started studying the Bible there was no way I would ever have had an organ transplant or a blood transfusion, just the thought of it disgusts me. But that's just me, I would never have dreamed of not being friends or not speaking to anyone else who thought the opposite to me. If all medical/health decisions and choices are left to each individual person then no-one else can take the blame for a bad outcome so to speak, which is EXACTLY what the GB said in that video a few months ago. After 3 years of making medical decisions for us they "flip flopped" yet again and returned to their pre 2020 policy of not getting involved in our medical choices. That video made me so angry
it was probably put up to "prove" something in the future (they surely must see the aftermath of their get injected rants?)
Paul H
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Paul H
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Not the vaccines were the cause of autism and cancer and miscarriages..... no no no...
According to a new study it turns out that "new cars" are responsible... Trust the science guys!
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According to a new study it turns out that "new cars" are responsible... Trust the science guys!
99% of cars sold in US between 2015 and 2022 contain cancer chemical
Researchers are warning that cars contain toxic flame retardant chemicals that can cause cancer, lower IQ levels and reproductive issues. Flame retardants were no longer required as of 2014.
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