God's people history (during the latter days)

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Not being englishman, I express with difficulty what I have to say,
so I will post some answers as a certain person has asked me:

1) Are you saying that Jehovah's witnesses are The exclusive people of Jehovah as were the Israelites in Moses day?
the answer:
-- Not only the Jws.
The gathering that started with Russel marks the beginning of God's people -- in the "latter days".
The time has approached for God, to bring His Kingdom on earth , and that Kingdom has to start here within a people (of saints), so Jehovah God proceeded to gather His people.
For a certain man , or group of men , to be considered "alive" from God's point of view , they need to "eat" from "Heavenly bread" - John 6:32,33,35.
So , God gave it to them: Psalm 78:24 / 105:40b (prophetically shown here).
What is the Heavenly Bread ? -- It is Jesus' sacrifice together with the correct understanding of how it works (a teaching)!
It implies a correct understanding and knowledge about what is (both) the weakness and willfully sin !
As Jesus teaches, after one's baptism/consecration , that "ransom" cover only weaknesses , while the christian person is commended to "clean" his hearth : see Mark 7:18-23.
All these things listed by Jesus here are willfully sins , and are not forgiven after receiving "the truth"... see Hebrew 10:26!
Jehovah God through His Spirit helped br. Russel to understand this teaching - in 1872 - and so, this is the very year of starting "God's people history" -- a year found not by some kind of chronology , but as a result of the work/action of God !
God used Russel as "a prophet" ... see Hosea 12:13 !
Starting with that time many persons came to a good relation with Jehovah God to do His will, based on a good foundation.
So, from that time, all men that lived according to God's revealed requirement to keep "holy" (1Tess. 4:2,3,6,7,8,.) whether they call themselves Bible Students , Jehovah's Witnesses (included various eastern groups of Jws). or the disfellowshipped ones(still Christians), are God's people !
Now, God was expecting from His people to be "faithful".... Isaiah 63:8-10 !
But they were NOT! ... it happens like this : read Deuteronomy 32:15/ Hosea 11:1,2...5,7,
Therefore Jehovah God decided to punish them - it is a manifestation of His RIGHTEOUSNESS! - see: Isaiah 66:18 / Jeremiah 5:29 /Deut. 32:19-21...

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2) Are you saying that Russell and Rutherford were true sons of the Kingdom ?
the answer :
-- Russel and Rutherford had a heart that loved God, and they never taught others to sin wilfully , in spite of having many weaknesses , specially Rutherford .
Jehovah God speaks right: Isaiah 43:27,28 !
The main sin that God charges the two is : Jeremiah 2:12,13. Yes , they did not wait for Jehovah in giving the "food", but they mixed the teaching received by Holy Spirit with their own conclusions...
So , a lot of teachings such as "the chronology" (the way to find these years like 1914, 1925, 1975 etc.), piramydology , natural Israel as God's people , God's earthly organization , etc,etc,... are NOT biblically and NOT from God !
But because Jehovah God uses them to give food and warnings to His people, and they have not broken the covenant, He shows us they are forgiven through Christ sacrifice./YHWH considered they had a good/clean heart before Him .

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3) Are you saying that 2 Thess 2 was then fulfilled when a group took control of the bible students and stood in the holy place?
the answer:
-- While Christ was sowing wheat , when "everybody was sleeping" the enemy sowed the weeds!
Starting exactly with Russel , the shepherds of Israel were sleeping regarding to ... what is written in Hebrews 12:16,17.
So, persons like Esau were "born" into christian congregation.
They got numerous and became the "opposite side" of truth --the weeds. Because even the wheat sinned against God , He decided "a day" or a period of time to punish His people (the holy ones)
That punishment meant to be : the holy ones had to lose the leadership over God's house and "the Esau house" gained it !
the "7 persons-heads" that took control after Rutherford's death belonged to Edom.. they taught (indirectly) that Christ ransom covers the wilfully sin , that means they took away the continual offering ...see Dan 8:11.
The "holy place: does not mean "the society WT", but refers to the spiritual Temple and the (kind of) worship there.
So , the weeds were already entered or "sown" in the Temple , but when they took control of Society , and so , over God's people , they in fact elevated themselves to the position of "god" according to 2 Tess. 2:4 !

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4) Are you saying that they tampered with the word of God by creating the NWT to mislead the sheep?
the answer :
-- Yes they "adapted" the bible to their purposes !

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5) Are you saying that this group is in fact the "seven headed wild beast" ?
the answer :
-- Yes ,they were 7 "anointed" which proved that have lost their anointment (or have broken the covenant) because of their works , and they became "the 7 heads"....of the beast, but the entire beast include all human - organizational structure that was imposed over God's people all over the earth .
In fact , only people who obeyed and subjected themselves under the leadership of those 7 heads were allowed to be in "positions" in this organization !
they all together are "the body" of the beast.

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6) Are you saying that all those within the WTO have received the mark of the beast by being baptised into the WTO?
the answer :
-- Not by baptism... but by receiving, believing and living according to the erroneous teachings proliferated by this "man of lawlessness" they have received the "mark of the beast"
the worst thing (worse than changing the baptismal vow) the beast did, is removing the Christ sacrifice's meaning, ( "and the continual burnt offering was taken away from him" Dan 8:11 ) , saying and teaching that the wilfully sin is covered by His sacrifice !
All persons believing that , loving that teaching , while they love to play with wilfully sin (and to practice it ) , are those with beast's mark..consciently .

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7) Are you saying that the two annointed witnesess were russell and rutherford and their preaching truth works were stopped by the beast ?
the answer :
-- I don't ! The two witness are two class/groups that compound the body of Christ: the "prophet" and the "priest". both being "wheat".
Geremiah 23:11.

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8 ) Are you saying that the two witnesses (the holy ones) will be soon given the kingdom when they are re-established and the beast is killed ?
the answer :
-- Yes ! the holy ones HAVE (need) first to be cleansed !
and then the kingdom will be done to them! Dan 7:21,22,25,26,27.
they have to be gathered ! Isaiah 11:11 / Ezekiel 36:24,25,...32!

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9) Are you saying that the only people who have any connection with this work are within the WTO ?
the answer :
-- Not only!
But the most of them (the gross number) are there ... at the daughter of Babylon Zech.2:7.
Also there are (some of)Bible Students and others , but it is surely about those who have "eaten" from Heavenly Bread ! (they are those who rightly appreciate what means "be saints because I am saint" as God says.

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10) Do you believe that the wild beast only dominates Gods household rather than the whole of the human race?
the answer :
-- Yes ! They dominate God's house , while deceiving the whole earth saying that they are God's people or chosen ones and Jehovah's unique channel on earth !
They "interposed" themselves between God, His kingdom , and the rest of all humankind , and that happened in a time permitted by God ...
this way they dominated all persons on earth who wanted to approach God and his Kingdom ...
of course , those of humankind who were not interested in serving God , are not part of this picture..

Dear , here is a "body" or a "building" of teaching ! There is a full bible and events to prove it ! Here I used only a few arguments ...
See: Jesus did not tell historical tales to his contemporanes about Egypt , Babilon , or Rome etc,etc, as beying part of the seven world's Powers ... and much history...
but He told them words that implied directly their hearts and their way to worship God , implying their responsibility before God !
Each prophetical part He quoted, He applied it to them, revealing their state of heart before the Father and himself

Today God's people like to tale about political beasts...because that not discover what's inside their heart !
But today is a time to seek God's righteousness, by returning to Christ's teaching, to obey it ! Matthew 17:5.
God's people until now were composed of two "nations": the holy ones or "wheat" , and the "weeds" or wicked ones ... Jeremiah 5:26 / Deut. 32:21.
Jesus said (Matt 24:34) "that nation will not pass till... "
He referred not to "generation" , but to the bad "nation" , the weeds . The wheat will not be able to escape from them (the weeds) until Jehovah will come through His Messenger , (at the second coming) , while all signs will happen! Matthew 24:32.33.
He comes to do the judgement at The Temple and all his people , to refine Jacob's sons , to deliver them from under all Babylonysh slavery and then to give to them the Kingdom !
The wicked nation is that: see Matt 16:4,
the sign of Jonah is , they ( "the evil and adulterous generation") will see when God's spirit comes over the two dead witnesses and they stay up again ! Rev 11:11.
While the wicked nation will be ready for destruction (even named themselves as Jehovah's witness), for the righteous nation today Jehovah is preparing something good ! see Isaiah 26:2 .
" Open the gates, that the [uncompromisingly] righteous nation which keeps her faith and her troth [with God] may enter in." ...
(where ? see Rev 22: 14,15 )

Hope this help a little,
seeker.
 

seeker4kingdom

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You need to tell the truth and explain what religion you are.
Jehovah God has commanded to all :
“This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased; listen to him.” Matthew 17:5

So, I obey Jesus!
Jesus never used the word "religion", but He expresses the way Father wants worshippers:

23 But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for such the Father seeks to worship him.
24 God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.” John 4.
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Having faith in Jesus, I may be called "Christian", as correctly biblically are called those who received Him.

"and in Antioch the disciples were for the first time called Christians." Acts 11"26.

As Christian (ex Jws) I strive myself to obey the Son and to worship Father "with spirit and with truth".
 

SusanB

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Jehovah God has commanded to all :
“This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased; listen to him.” Matthew 17:5

So, I obey Jesus!
Jesus never used the word "religion", but He expresses the way Father wants worshippers:

23 But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for such the Father seeks to worship him.
24 God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.” John 4.
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Having faith in Jesus, I may be called "Christian", as correctly biblically are called those who received Him.

"and in Antioch the disciples were for the first time called Christians." Acts 11"26.

As Christian (ex Jws) I strive myself to obey the Son and to worship Father "with spirit and with truth".
Why do you use the term “latter day”? That isn’t a phrase in use in common English today. It is most often associate with “Latter Day Saints”.
 

SusanB

Well-known member
Jehovah God has commanded to all :
“This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased; listen to him.” Matthew 17:5

So, I obey Jesus!
Jesus never used the word "religion", but He expresses the way Father wants worshippers:

23 But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for such the Father seeks to worship him.
24 God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.” John 4.
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Having faith in Jesus, I may be called "Christian", as correctly biblically are called those who received Him.

"and in Antioch the disciples were for the first time called Christians." Acts 11"26.

As Christian (ex Jws) I strive myself to obey the Son and to worship Father "with spirit and with truth".
This reply shows you are either playing games or ??? So what if Jesus didn’t use the word “religion”? The form of worship in the first century was referred to by name as “The Way”. It was organized into congregations in the first century after Jesus death and Jesus sent his followers out with a message before he died. There were Elders who issued letters to the congregations. So, they were obviously organized. Be clear about your message rather than throwing out elusive and veiled bait. I won’t waste my time reading your blog or your website. Especially if you can’t be upfront and clear.
 

SusanB

Well-known member
Jehovah God has commanded to all :
“This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased; listen to him.” Matthew 17:5

So, I obey Jesus!
Jesus never used the word "religion", but He expresses the way Father wants worshippers:

23 But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for such the Father seeks to worship him.
24 God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.” John 4.
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Having faith in Jesus, I may be called "Christian", as correctly biblically are called those who received Him.

"and in Antioch the disciples were for the first time called Christians." Acts 11"26.

As Christian (ex Jws) I strive myself to obey the Son and to worship Father "with spirit and with truth".
Notice how the members on the forum just ignore you now and you aren’t getting any engagement.
 
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