Helping a Witness that wants to throw in the towel.

Biblebug

Member
"People who deceive others could not be the FDS. They could be the evil slave. But it is up to Jesus when he comes to tell us who the FDS really is"
"they have made themselves the evil slave." Are they or not?

If they are "the evil slave" Then run for your life!
I have not called them that here. You are in a difficult situation sister but God, His Son, are with us so we have nothing to fear.
 

SusanB

Well-known member
"People who deceive others could not be the FDS. They could be the evil slave. But it is up to Jesus when he comes to tell us who the FDS really is"
"they have made themselves the evil slave." Are they or not?

If they are "the evil slave" Then run for your life!
I have not called them that here. You are in a difficult situation sister but God, His Son, are with us so we have nothing to fear.
Yes. I think they have provided evidence that they are the evil slave and I am staying in a limited position because I know that Jehovah through his son will clean this mess up and I want to be around to see it. Not sure if I‘m completely understanding you.
 

Biblebug

Member
Yes. I think they have provided evidence that they are the evil slave and I am staying in a limited position because I know that Jehovah through his son will clean this mess up and I want to be around to see it. Not sure if I‘m completely understanding you.
Things are only just starting to develop. You sound like you have much faith in Jehovah and His Son.
 

Sarah

Well-known member
This might be helpful. It's a YouTube video by Robert King entitled "Leaving Jehovah's Witnesses?"

This is a lovely video and for those still happy in the congregations it is good advice.
I am wondering if things have changed since Robert did this. Everything on zoom now, no real connections, although I know some do really love it! At the end he mentions the time isn’t to leave, then he says not yet…I am wondering is the time coming upon us…?
 
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a watcher

Well-known member
This is a lovely video and for those still happy in the congregations it is good advice.
I am wondering if things have changed since Robert did this. Everything on zoom now, no delay connections, although I know some do really love it! At the end he mentions the time isn’t to leave, then he says not yet…I am wondering is the time coming upon us…?
Don't be in a hurry to leave the earthly org. Sheep are still being gathered into both folds. Remember what Jesus said: "...whoever does not gather with me scatters".
 

jorn

Active member
People who deceive others could not be the FDS. They could be the evil slave. But it is up to Jesus when he comes to tell us who the FDS really is that is why we see that preceded by the question: “Who really is the faithful….?” I’m not trying to win anyone to this point of view but I also cannot back down and if it comes up, I must tell the truth. I’m not going to lie or pretend that they didn’t make videos intended to deceive the sheep into getting an experimental vaccine. That is what happened and they have made themselves the evil slave because of what they did. Gullible friends have suffered injured, disability and death. Sorry, I will never be hushed up but I don’t need to advertise it either. Truths should be stated plainly and firmly at appropriate times. What the brothers do and don’t do is on their conscience. Each of each will render an account for himself to God.
Totaly agree with you .Tell the truth when its appropriate ,but no need to advertise.I ve done the same till now and continue to do.If they disfellow you for that it doesnt matter because you know youve done whats right.
 

Watchman

Moderator
Staff member
I think setting up this forum is timely. More and more JW's are going to be heading for the exits. They are going to be looking for answers. Back when I started e-Watchman I always tried to help others to get over the many stumbling blocks the Watchtower has strewn in the path. But it is like being a doctor. You save some and you lose some.
 

TheJehuChariot

Well-known member
Hi Prodigal One,

I think once your friend logs onto e-Watchman and takes a look around, the content there will satisfy your request for "other examples or reasoning" quite amazingly. Maybe just escort him around the site a bit and see what piques his interest. Strong work on your part for helping your friend in his time of need!
Its sort of like walking into a Great American Outlet Shopping Mall for the first time and you've got a brand new credit card with no limit. - lol
 

Dorothea

Well-known member
"You can't undo 40 years of programming in a few months."
That's up to you. Do you trust in Jesus? I'm sure you do and I'm not suggesting anybody leave the org (I think Robert does? I have!) As far as meeting together, that presupposes that you have someone exceptable to meet with does it not. If meeting with 'brothers who would throw you out if they new how you felt meets Paul admonition and is exceptable then keep going. As for me I'm happy to meet with you here. There is no point in any of us panicking Jesus will look after us. IMHO
Actually, Robert has a video about why he does not yet recommend people leave the organization. I’m not sure if he has changed in his opinion yet.
 

יהוה_saves

Well-known member
People who deceive others could not be the FDS. They could be the evil slave. But it is up to Jesus when he comes to tell us who the FDS really is that is why we see that preceded by the question: “Who really is the faithful….?” I’m not trying to win anyone to this point of view but I also cannot back down and if it comes up, I must tell the truth. I’m not going to lie or pretend that they didn’t make videos intended to deceive the sheep into getting an experimental vaccine. That is what happened and they have made themselves the evil slave because of what they did. Gullible friends have suffered injured, disability and death. Sorry, I will never be hushed up but I don’t need to advertise it either. Truths should be stated plainly and firmly at appropriate times. What the brothers do and don’t do is on their conscience. Each of each will render an account for himself to God.
I believe the FDS is the evil slave beating his fellow slave because he perceives the master is delaying. delaying perhaps since 1914? definitely delaying since 1975. each false prediction is a lie based on presumptuousness by the persons who told it- they presume to think Jesus is a liar? That a man may know the day and the hour? I get the dilemma that brothers are in. I struggle with my own decision to disassociate and i feel i did that for the wrong reasons. It’s done tho, i cannot take it back anymore. That’s another thing about the organization- they leave no opportunity for repentance. I’m out and it’s permanente so does that mean people that are still in should shun me?
 

Medi-tator

Well-known member
I believe the FDS is the evil slave beating his fellow slave because he perceives the master is delaying. delaying perhaps since 1914? definitely delaying since 1975. each false prediction is a lie based on presumptuousness by the persons who told it- they presume to think Jesus is a liar? That a man may know the day and the hour? I get the dilemma that brothers are in. I struggle with my own decision to disassociate and i feel i did that for the wrong reasons. It’s done tho, i cannot take it back anymore. That’s another thing about the organization- they leave no opportunity for repentance. I’m out and it’s permanente so does that mean people that are still in should shun me?
Kim, I am proud of you for leaving! Taking that kind of stand is amazing and is also a pre-emptive strike compared to the rest of us who still linger within the org. We will all need to leave or be d-f'd soon enough anyway I suppose. At least leave in spirit, that's for sure. No need for you to second guess yourself and I can tell you understand that already.

As for the shunning, it is like they say in AA..."if you have a problem with me, than you have a problem" LOL. I guess they just cannot help themselves. The truthers in the org will not shun you though although those ones appear to be few and far between. But as Robert says, many will be looking for the exit sign as time marches on so you might be gaining some friends back shortly.

BTW, your posts are awesome!!
 

יהוה_saves

Well-known member
Kim, I am proud of you for leaving! Taking that kind of stand is amazing and is also a pre-emptive strike compared to the rest of us who still linger within the org. We will all need to leave or be d-f'd soon enough anyway I suppose. At least leave in spirit, that's for sure. No need for you to second guess yourself and I can tell you understand that already.

As for the shunning, it is like they say in AA..."if you have a problem with me, than you have a problem" LOL. I guess they just cannot help themselves. The truthers in the org will not shun you though although those ones appear to be few and far between. But as Robert says, many will be looking for the exit sign as time marches on so you might be gaining some friends back shortly.

BTW, your posts are awesome!!
thank you for all you said. you made my day. thank you.
 

יהוה_saves

Well-known member
This isn't true. You would be allowed to repent and return to the congregation if you wanted to.
i agrée but i disassociated. it would take me a year or longer to get back + i would have to prove my loyalty to the GB perhaps by getting the injections or some other way that i am not willing to do. I view their terms as an impossibility so in that way my relationship with the organization is forever severed, However; not with Jehovah. perhaps I misspoke using the term repentance.
 

SusanB

Well-known member
I think setting up this forum is timely. More and more JW's are going to be heading for the exits. They are going to be looking for answers. Back when I started e-Watchman I always tried to help others to get over the many stumbling blocks the Watchtower has strewn in the path. But it is like being a doctor. You save some and you lose some.
As I said previously, when the video updates started I thought the GB would have to apologize, back-track and repent. But the updates are just doubling down and it is now apparent to me that they are purposely manipulative and deceitful. This realization up-ended my life. I lost everything in becoming one of Jehovah’s Witnesses. But with Jehovah’s help, I slowly built a new life centered around his worship. With this debacle, I once again lost almost everything. But thanks to Jehovah, my husband and I have each other and we both see the truth of what is happening. And I do thank Robert the Watchman because this forum and his videos and commentaries have helped me regain my footing. I have as much zeal for the truth now as when I first learned the bible. And, I’m learning again!! I love it and I send a big cyber-hug to Brother Robert the Watchman.
 

יהוה_saves

Well-known member
i watched Robert’s video Leaving Jehovah’s Witnesses. I watched it twice. Robert makes an excellent point about staying in the organization to benefit from the preaching work and the association. I agree with that; however, those two things- the preaching work and associations through meeting together, have been done away with- in fact- that they have been done away shows that the gov body’s apostasy is not only apparent, but complete. Is there any reason left to stay? No.
 
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