Hey everyone I’m Robert from New Zealand. 72.5yrs old.

יהוה_saves

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The fact that questioning the whole nature of COVID makes you a heretic or worse an apostate is absolutely unscriptural. It's to the point that I feel becoming inactive was a protection that wasn't apparent years ago.
i was just reading some verses from Jeremiah and i read this and thought of your comments:

Jer 7 They have built the high places of Toʹpheth, which is in the Valley of the Son of Hinʹnom, in order to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire, something that I had not commanded and that had never even come into my heart.’* “‘Therefore look! the days are coming,’ declares Jehovah, ‘when it will no longer be called Toʹpheth or the Valley of the Son of Hinʹnom* but the Valley of the Slaughter. They will bury in Toʹpheth until there is no place left. And the dead bodies of this people will become food for the birds of the heavens and for the beasts of the earth, with no one to frighten them away. I will put an end to the sound of exultation and the sound of rejoicing, the voice of the bridegroom and the voice of the bride, in the cities of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem, for the land will be reduced to ruins.’”
 

PJ54

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i was just reading some verses from Jeremiah and i read this and thought of your comments:

Jer 7 They have built the high places of Toʹpheth, which is in the Valley of the Son of Hinʹnom, in order to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire, something that I had not commanded and that had never even come into my heart.’* “‘Therefore look! the days are coming,’ declares Jehovah, ‘when it will no longer be called Toʹpheth or the Valley of the Son of Hinʹnom* but the Valley of the Slaughter. They will bury in Toʹpheth until there is no place left. And the dead bodies of this people will become food for the birds of the heavens and for the beasts of the earth, with no one to frighten them away. I will put an end to the sound of exultation and the sound of rejoicing, the voice of the bridegroom and the voice of the bride, in the cities of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem, for the land will be reduced to ruins.’”
It seems inevitable this will have to happen. The views are way too skewed & common sense is a thing in the past. I remember asking the friends about using common sense (more particularly gut intuition) on situations in the field. They were divided since your gut vibe is trying to keep you safe if some situation seems sticky but some of them viewed it as something that could interfere with the ministry. You even see it in their day to day behavior.
 

Nomex

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I remember asking the friends about using common sense (more particularly gut intuition) on situations in the field.
I was always getting into it with the brothers in filed service, so many were/are cowards. I was at a door and the house holder told me "I have a BB gun." I said, "Okay?" and continued with my presentation. Then I realized she was threatening me, and I almost laughed in her face. But left her door, "mobile home". It was at the end of a cul-de-sac and she followed us out into the street. She was deranged and laughable and making a scene, and I told her, "Calm down we are leaving" The elder with me told me not to say anything to her, I ignored him. Another time a guy was yelling at us not to come to his house, and we were not working that side of the street, and I mean the guy was being belligerent, so I called over to him, "don't worry, we're not coming over there today!" Again the elder got so upset. These brothers would get so scared, I never understood it. I thought we were accompanied by angels? LOL.
 

The God Pill

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I was always getting into it with the brothers in filed service, so many were/are cowards. I was at a door and the house holder told me "I have a BB gun." I said, "Okay?" and continued with my presentation. Then I realized she was threatening me, and I almost laughed in her face. But left her door, "mobile home". It was at the end of a cul-de-sac and she followed us out into the street. She was deranged and laughable and making a scene, and I told her, "Calm down we are leaving" The elder with me told me not to say anything to her, I ignored him. Another time a guy was yelling at us not to come to his house, and we were not working that side of the street, and I mean the guy was being belligerent, so I called over to him, "don't worry, we're not coming over there today!" Again the elder got so upset. These brothers would get so scared, I never understood it. I thought we were accompanied by angels? LOL.
I always found it funny when brothers and sisters in the ministry would worry about the possibility of householders having dogs as if Jehovah couldn't protect his servants engaging in the ministry from animals. I'd highlight to them the dangers Christians faced in the first century and that it did not deter them.
 

PJ54

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I was always getting into it with the brothers in filed service, so many were/are cowards. I was at a door and the house holder told me "I have a BB gun." I said, "Okay?" and continued with my presentation. Then I realized she was threatening me, and I almost laughed in her face. But left her door, "mobile home". It was at the end of a cul-de-sac and she followed us out into the street. She was deranged and laughable and making a scene, and I told her, "Calm down we are leaving" The elder with me told me not to say anything to her, I ignored him. Another time a guy was yelling at us not to come to his house, and we were not working that side of the street, and I mean the guy was being belligerent, so I called over to him, "don't worry, we're not coming over there today!" Again the elder got so upset. These brothers would get so scared, I never understood it. I thought we were accompanied by angels? LOL.
It's like they must follow protocol at all times, even if is goes against scriptural suggestion.
 

JTK

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hello Robert194972 im John 196160 welcome i am surprised that the wicked witch Lucinda Ardenne has allowed you to even type on your keyboard in case you import covid over the internet,
she is a Phsyco, reminds me of our beloved Janette Krankie (Nicola Sturgeon)
 
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Robert194972

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hello Robert194972 im John 196160 welcome i am surprised that the wicked witch Lucinda Ardenne has allowed you to even type on your keyboard in case you import covid over the internet,
she is a Phsyco, reminds me of our beloved Janette Krankie (Nicola Sturgeon)
The one with the horse teeth is Jacinda Ardern. Yep the wicked witch from down under.
 
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The Truth Detector

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The fact that questioning the whole nature of COVID makes you a heretic or worse an apostate is absolutely unscriptural. It's to the point that I feel becoming inactive was a protection that wasn't apparent years ago.
That is so true. My wife and I feel the same we left because we could see 7 years ago the spirit in the Congregation was getting dangerous. They did not care about what was true. They did not care if the org was behaving dishonesty. We felt Jehovah directed us to leave and has supported us ever since. When I watch the videos it's like seeing something so bizarre and strange now.
 

Donnyboy

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About 56, 57 a minister visited the school I was at every week or 2 weeks? Not sure. However something I do remember is as clear as if it was yesterday. He said that we don’t really die, Just this ( our body ) he called it a suitcase, dies. Something in us keeps on living. The body dies but the soul keeps on living. The idea kept rattling around in my head. I liked the idea of living forever, but had a problem with it. Something just didn’t sit right. One day or night? I was looking into the sky trying to image forever, and wondered whats all this floating around somewhere forever? Why can’t I live here ( On the earth ) like this ( the suitcase ) forever? I was not into this floating around bit. Fast forward to 74? in my twenties I’m a wannabe tank man, working as a cross-cutter in a logging crew. Few months in a new member ( JW ) had joined the gang. Sometimes he would witness to the gang at break time, in response to questions. One time I told him about the suitcase trick. I said I liked the idea of living forever but here on the earth not float around somewhere. He grabs his bible and shows me Ezekiel – 18 : 4. Say what? ( That lying so and so ) he also showed me, “The righteous will inherit the earth and reside forever upon it” also Isaiah 65, about personality changes, and the story of the crim whom Jesus promised “you will be with me in paradise.” I was hooked on JW. You might say that I got in it for the money, ( so to speak ). But it was a few years before I went ahead. Now its the year 2022 a JW but no longer active in the congregation since 02. Worshipping Jehovah ( after a fashion ) from out in the wilderness. I hope that many more Jehovah’s Witnesses will wake up to the Governing Body’s hypocrisy.
Hi Robert, I too live in NZ, in the sunny BOP, same age as you are. Baptized in 65. Served as an elder from 78 to 90, then 2000 to 2006. Have been watching and listening to Robert's channel since 2002. I agree that the GB are now influenced by the Man of Lawlessness. Anyway, great to hear from you. Donnyboy.
 
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Robert194972

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Hi Robert, I too live in NZ, in the sunny BOP, same age as you are. Baptized in 65. Served as an elder from 78 to 90, then 2000 to 2006. Have been watching and listening to Robert's channel since 2002. I agree that the GB are now influenced by the Man of Lawlessness. Anyway, great to hear from you. Donnyboy.
Glad you exited the cube.
 

4JahandChrist

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Hi Robert, I too live in NZ, in the sunny BOP, same age as you are. Baptized in 65. Served as an elder from 78 to 90, then 2000 to 2006. Have been watching and listening to Robert's channel since 2002. I ag ree that the GB are now influenced by the Man of Lawlessness. Anyway, great to hear from you. Donnyboy.
Well, i'm on a much larger island not far from you but I did a stint in the Land of the Long
White Cloud and I loved it!!!

I have active JW contacts in the Capital and they are absolutely full on with the Covidian Agenda.

I just spoke to one tonight and he was urging me to get the Jab.......even though the total death toll in NZ til now is about 50. What the????????
 

MickHewitt

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About 56, 57 a minister visited the school I was at every week or 2 weeks? Not sure. However something I do remember is as clear as if it was yesterday. He said that we don’t really die, Just this ( our body ) he called it a suitcase, dies. Something in us keeps on living. The body dies but the soul keeps on living. The idea kept rattling around in my head. I liked the idea of living forever, but had a problem with it. Something just didn’t sit right. One day or night? I was looking into the sky trying to image forever, and wondered whats all this floating around somewhere forever? Why can’t I live here ( On the earth ) like this ( the suitcase ) forever? I was not into this floating around bit. Fast forward to 74? in my twenties I’m a wannabe tank man, working as a cross-cutter in a logging crew. Few months in a new member ( JW ) had joined the gang. Sometimes he would witness to the gang at break time, in response to questions. One time I told him about the suitcase trick. I said I liked the idea of living forever but here on the earth not float around somewhere. He grabs his bible and shows me Ezekiel – 18 : 4. Say what? ( That lying so and so ) he also showed me, “The righteous will inherit the earth and reside forever upon it” also Isaiah 65, about personality changes, and the story of the crim whom Jesus promised “you will be with me in paradise.” I was hooked on JW. You might say that I got in it for the money, ( so to speak ). But it was a few years before I went ahead. Now its the year 2022 a JW but no longer active in the congregation since 02. Worshipping Jehovah ( after a fashion ) from out in the wilderness. I hope that many more Jehovah’s Witnesses will wake up to the Governing Body’s hypocrisy.
Welcome Robert194972: I am MickHewitt195962....coming up to 63! I hope you will find a refreshing alternative to the Pharisaic W/T approach to the wonderful truth that sets free.
 
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