Monday, March 25 - Who told you you were naked?

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God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, so that everyone exercising faith in him might . . . have everlasting life.—John 3:16.

By giving his Son as a ransom to cover our sins, God makes it possible for us to gain everlasting life. (Matt. 20:28) The apostle Paul wrote: “Since death came through a man, resurrection of the dead also comes through a man. For just as in Adam all are dying, so also in the Christ all will be made alive.” (1 Cor. 15:21, 22) Jesus taught his followers to pray for God’s Kingdom to come and for God’s will to take place on earth. (Matt. 6:9, 10) Part of God’s purpose is for humans to live forever on the earth. To accomplish that, Jehovah has appointed his Son as King of the Messianic Kingdom. God has been gathering 144,000 people from the earth to work with Jesus in fulfilling God’s will.—Rev. 5:9, 10. w22.12 5 ¶11-12
Adam was a son of God, perhaps the first such creature in the physical realm. Certainly, he was the first earthling. He was perfect—sinless. He had no personality flaws, no mental defects, or emotional issues to deal with. He was undoubtedly a handsome, chiseled physical reflection of God's strength and beauty. His diet was the most nutritious and healthy food any human has ever had. And food was everywhere. Adam did not need to go hunting or fishing. He didn't have to plow the soil in the sweat of his face. Just pluck it right off the tree or bush. God introduced his earthly creation to the principle of ownership and lordship when he explained to Adam that one particular tree belonged exclusively to God. Its fruit was not to be eaten. No, it was not to be touched. The results would be dire for taking what belonged to God. Adam would die and revert back into the elements of the ground from whence he came.

Adam lived for quite a few years as a bachelor. It is not a lifestyle he chose. He had no choice. There were no women. Adam could see that the birds and animals had mates; perhaps he anticipated that someday he would too. And then, one day, Adam woke up from surgery, and there she was! God presented Adam with Eve. "At last"! Adam exclaimed. It was a marriage made in heaven, literally. Eve must have been a stunner. She was hand-made by God! She had to have been a ravishing beauty, a perfect, lovely compliment to Mr. Universe, Adam. They were going to live happily ever after in paradise. And then God laid another command upon the first man and wife. Have sex and be fruitful and fill the earth. 'Oh man! I'm on it!' Adam must have thought.

We do not know how much Jehovah told Adam about the spirit world. Obviously, Adam knew that God was a spirit. Jehovah somehow made his invisible presence felt when he strolled through the garden about the breezy part of the day. It likely was God's routine to walk and talk with the man he had created. But one day, when Jehovah came to visit his son, he was nowhere to be found. "Where are you?" Jehovah called out. And then Adam came out of hiding. Why on earth was Adam hiding? The man explained: “I heard your voice in the garden, but I was afraid because I was naked, so I hid myself.” Ah, the man had become guilty as sin. What happened? God asked the man: “Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree from which I commanded you not to eat?”

Because God had made man in his image, Adam had an inborn sense of right and wrong. He had a conscience. And his conscience was perfectly attuned to God. Adam never felt shame. He never felt guilt. He had walked about the garden for years completely naked with no self-consciousness or embarrassment about his nakedness. But once Adam did what he knew was wrong, guilt, shame, and fear and a loss of his relationship with God came to the fore. He was self-condemed. And he knew it. Life could never be the same again. Paradise was lost. Adam was no longer the perfect man he once was. The leisurely chats with God were over. As a sad testament to what the human race has become, instead of manning up and taking responsibility for disobeying God, Adam blamed Eve and implied God was at fault: “The woman whom you gave to be with me, she gave me fruit from the tree, so I ate.” God played along and then turned to Eve, asking her: “What is this you have done?” And what was Eve's reply? “The serpent deceived me, so I ate.”

What Eve said was true. The serpent deceived her. Although Eve was a full-grown woman, she was a child in her innocence and ignorance. She had a beautiful mind but no life experience. She hadn't spent years in Jehovah's company as had her husband. She was born yesterday, literally. She did not realize that snakes could not talk. Had she known that an envious angel whom Jehovah had entrusted as their overseer and protector had treacherously determined that he was the one who ought to be obeyed and worshipped, had she known that one of God's heavenly sons had schemed to use a reptile to disguise his identity, Eve would have run in horror. Satan may have maneuvered Eve to Jehovah's special tree with the serpent in the tree, perhaps making it appear as if the serpent had eaten some of the forbidden fruit so as to deceive Eve into concluding that the reptile could speak and was wise because it had eaten the fruit. Paul later confirmed that Eve was thoroughly deceived. Adam was not. Still, Eve knew God had commanded them not to touch the tree. That was all she needed to know.

So, the once-perfect cherub became the father of the lie, cunningly deceiving the naive Eve, knowing she would seduce Adam into joining her, all so he could selfishly insert himself into the place of Jehovah. But Jehovah went along with the disguise and spoke to the serpent: “Because you have done this, you are the cursed one out of all the domestic animals and out of all the wild animals of the field. On your belly you will go, and you will eat dust all the days of your life. And I will put enmity between you and the woman and between your offspring and her offspring. He will crush your head, and you will strike him in the heel.”

Some of Adam's imperfect offspring, us, might reason that Jehovah was too harsh in throwing Adam and Eve out of the garden and sentencing them to death. Isn't Jehovah merciful and forgiving? Yes, but we need to understand that perfect creatures do not make mistakes. When a perfect creature, be it human or spirit, knowingly, deliberately disobeys God, it is bad, really, really bad. Besides, God had already warned Adam and Eve that the penalty for taking what belonged to Him was death. They knew that. There was no ambiguity. Had Adam not been perfect, he would have said, "Look, I blew it. I am sorry. Please forgive me." But he didn't. He couldn't. That is because he didn't make a mistake.

How could God let them off the hook, so to speak? Satan had already accused God of lying. The Slanderer would have been validated if God had not imposed the sentence he had decreed. The spirit schemer knew that since Adam and Eve had no children in Eden, if God kept his word and put them to death, then God's purpose to fill the earth with perfect people would fail. The Devil also knew that after God had created Eve from Adam's rib, he announced that his creation was perfect and that he was done creating. If God created two fresh humans to replace Eve and Adam, then Jehovah would be guilty of violating his own self-imposed sabbath. The arrogant angel must have imagined that he had outsmarted God.

But God's enigmatic denunciation of the serpent in Eden laid it all out. God was going to allow a sinful, dying human race to develop outside Eden and, at a later time, bring about restoration. But how could God redeem a degenerate race such as ours? By ransom. But how could a ransom price be had? God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son. By transferring the perfect life of his only-begotten heavenly Son into the womb of a Jewess virgin, Jehovah grafted into the dying race a perfect man to correspond to the value of the original man. Paul called Jesus "the second man" and the "last Adam." Unlike the first man of dust, Jesus obeyed God to the end, a torturous, horrific death. By giving his perfect human life, Jesus paid God what we owe him - our lives. And because Jesus was not a new creation, having already been in existence, Jehovah did not violate his sabbath.

Now, all that is left is for Christ to return as King of the world for which he died. Satan knows he is coming. He and his wicked demons are preparing for war. The nations are feverishly preparing for it, too, although they have no clue who the real enemy is. That is because the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, is misleading the entire inhabited earth into war against God Almighty. The Devil intends to take mankind hostage and turn the planet into a lifeless, radioactive cinder if Christ moves to take him out. Let Jesus save mankind from a holocaust of their own making if he can. And so, we shall see.


“Look! I am coming as a thief. Happy is the one who stays awake and keeps his outer garments, so that he may not walk naked and people look upon his shamefulness.” And they gathered them together to the place that is called in Hebrew Armageddon." - Revelation 16:15,16​


 
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Scriptures & a video for thought​


Psalm2:1-12

Why have the nations been in tumult and the national groups themselves kept muttering an empty thing? The kings of earth take their stand and high officials themselves have massed together as one against Jehovah and against his anointed one, [Saying:] “Let us tear their bands apart and cast their cords away from us!” The very One sitting in the heavens will laugh;Jehovah himself will hold them in derision. At that time he will speak to them in his anger and in his hot displeasure he will disturb them, [Saying:] “I, even I, have installed my king upon Zion, my holy mountain.” Let me refer to the decree of Jehovah; He has said to me: “You are my son; I, today, I have become your father. Ask of me, that I may give nations as your inheritance and the ends of the earth as your own possession. You will break them with an iron scepter, as though a potter’s vessel you will dash them to pieces.” And now, O kings, exercise insight;Let yourselves be corrected, O judges of the earth. Serve Jehovah with fear and be joyful with trembling. Kiss the son, that He may not become incensed and you may not perish [from] the way, for his anger flares up easily. Happy are all those taking refuge in him.
I took the liberty to clean your post up a bit and make the X file display ;)
 

Paul H

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"God introduced his earthly creation to the principle of ownership and lordship when he explained to Adam that one particular tree belonged exclusively to God. Its fruit was not to be eaten. No, it was not to be touched."
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"And then, one day, Adam woke up from surgery, and there she was! God presented Adam with Eve. "At last"! Adam exclaimed. It was a marriage made in heaven, literally. Eve must have been a stunner. She was hand-made by God! She had to have been a ravishing beauty, a perfect, lovely compliment to Mr. Universe, Adam. They were going to live happily ever after in paradise."
Eve looking at satan snake in Eden eva slang .jpeg
 

LuisMerino9412

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Beautiful article, Robert. Thank you. :) I love the way you use some words in English. :)
On the other hand, I have a question. Can you please explain the curse Jehovah imposed upon Satan?
"Because you have done this, you are the cursed one out of all the domestic animals and out of all the wild animals of the field. On your belly you will go, and you will eat dust all the days of your life."

Why was he compared to the animals of the field? I mean the serpent nor any animal was to be blamed for this. They had nothing to do with it. I guess the poor serpent must have been under a spell or something like that when it was used by Satan. So, can you please explain it? Why did Jehovah use those words? What did He mean? I have always wondered that, and even though I might know the answer, I would like to know your opinion. Thank you.
 

BagdadBill

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I took the liberty to clean your post up a bit and make the X file display ;)
I saw this earlier. This is the first that I've heard of any of them finally realizing what the actual goal is. Years ago when I first read Jesus' words that God would have to stop them short of complete annihilation, I knew that was the end goal. It only makes sense right? Alex Jones even now talks as if there were a way to stop it. Magically if you support his network it might save the world. For as often as he mentions God or Jesus he doesn't appear to realize that we aren't the ones fighting. We are the ones being fought over.
Maybe if I were to buy some Dr. Jones supplements maybe Jehovah will forestall his plans a few years.
We have all felt jealousy or envy at some point in our lives, even if only slightly. For some reason Satan envied humans enough to cause him to sin, knowing his outcome. He will rage against us because its all he has left and he knew this when he started interfering. It is no small thing that Jehovah warned us about coveting what is not ours. Be content with your own wife and field to toil in.
Is it me or does it feel like things are really speeding up now?
 

Watchman

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Beautiful article, Robert. Thank you. :) I love the way you use some words in English. :)
On the other hand, I have a question. Can you please explain the curse Jehovah imposed upon Satan?
"Because you have done this, you are the cursed one out of all the domestic animals and out of all the wild animals of the field. On your belly you will go, and you will eat dust all the days of your life."

Why was he compared to the animals of the field? I mean the serpent nor any animal was to be blamed for this. They had nothing to do with it. I guess the poor serpent must have been under a spell or something like that when it was used by Satan. So, can you please explain it? Why did Jehovah use those words? What did He mean? I have always wondered that, and even though I might know the answer, I would like to know your opinion. Thank you.
Because Satan pretended to be a serpent, God went along with the charade. Of course, everyone in heaven knew what happened, but Adam and Eve could not have known and God did not reveal it. The offspring of the woman was a sacred secret too. No one knew who it would be or how it would all play out with the serpent biting the heel and the seed of the woman crushing the head of the serpent. It is noteworthy how little the Hebrew Scriptures say about Satan. Aside from the book of Job, Satan is only mentioned a couple of times.

But when Jesus came on the scene, he revealed that Satan was the father of the lie, thus connecting him to Eden. Further, when Jesus gave the Revelation to John, it was plainly stated that the original serpent was Satan, the Devil. So when God spoke to the "serpent," he was really speaking to Satan, telling him he was cursed and out of God's family of sons. He would be a contemptible, loathsome creature, crawling on his belly and licking up the dust, as it were, until the day that the seed of the woman crushes his head.
 

SusanB

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For those who haven’t already watched this video from a year ago, it’s a very good one and definitely satisfying spiritual food. After watching it again I noticed at around 26 minutes Brother Robert King mentions cannibalism and says not to discount it! We are hearing of that very issue in Haiti and even one instance of it happening recently in the US.

This video is from “King of the North - Part 4”:

 

SusanB

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Here is a quote from the article, “The Seed and the Serpent”. This helps me understand how we know that Satan has not yet been cast down, which is a much discussed issue between me and my hubby, MediTator.

How can it be said with certainty that the original serpent has not been hurled down yet and gone off to wage war upon the so-called “remaining ones”?

Well, as Jehovah’s Witnesses know, or should know, the Devil persecutes the “woman” for a period of a “time, times and half a time,” which we understand to be a cryptic way of saying three and a half times. At Revelation 12:6 the three and a half times are expressed simply as 1,260 days. However, in the 13th chapter of Revelation the same period is expressed as forty-two months.

Whereas, in the 12th chapter Satan is personally said to wage war against the anointed remnant for the said interval, the 13th chapter of Revelation depicts the seven-headed beast that recovers from its head wound waging war against the holy ones. Obviously, Satan uses his enraged beast to wage war against the sons of God.

The 11th chapter of Revelation similarly depicts a beast waging war against God’s two anointed witnesses. The beast is said to come up out of the abyss. And after the two anointed witnesses finish their witnessing, the beast will kill them. …..

This is why it can be said with certainty that Satan has not been hurled down yet, because, as stated above, when that occurs it will commence the judgment of the world.

The significance of this cannot be underestimated.


Presently the world stands on the edge of disaster. Better yet, call it the precipice of an abyss. The Anglo-American beast seems intent on setting off world war. The whole political and economic system can easily collapse. Then what?

In that eventuality, it will become apparent to many of Jehovah’s Witnesses that the Watchtower has misled them as regards the whole 1914 matter. Concurrent with that realization will come a wave of persecution Jehovah’s Witnesses have never before experienced. It will confirm that Satan has come down in great anger and is waging war on the sons of the kingdom. In that tumultuous period (three and a half years) the faithful will deliver a final judgment message to the world.…...”
 

BARNABY THE DOG.

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Adam was a son of God, perhaps the first such creature in the physical realm. Certainly, he was the first earthling. He was perfect—sinless. He had no personality flaws, no mental defects, or emotional issues to deal with. He was undoubtedly a handsome, chiseled physical reflection of God's strength and beauty. His diet was the most nutritious and healthy food any human has ever had. And food was everywhere. Adam did not need to go hunting or fishing. He didn't have to plow the soil in the sweat of his face. Just pluck it right off the tree or bush. God introduced his earthly creation to the principle of ownership and lordship when he explained to Adam that one particular tree belonged exclusively to God. Its fruit was not to be eaten. No, it was not to be touched. The results would be dire for taking what belonged to God. Adam would die and revert back into the elements of the ground from whence he came.

Adam lived for quite a few years as a bachelor. It is not a lifestyle he chose. He had no choice. There were no women. Adam could see that the birds and animals had mates; perhaps he anticipated that someday he would too. And then, one day, Adam woke up from surgery, and there she was! God presented Adam with Eve. "At last"! Adam exclaimed. It was a marriage made in heaven, literally. Eve must have been a stunner. She was hand-made by God! She had to have been a ravishing beauty, a perfect, lovely compliment to Mr. Universe, Adam. They were going to live happily ever after in paradise. And then God laid another command upon the first man and wife. Have sex and be fruitful and fill the earth. 'Oh man! I'm on it!' Adam must have thought.

We do not know how much Jehovah told Adam about the spirit world. Obviously, Adam knew that God was a spirit. Jehovah somehow made his invisible presence felt when he strolled through the garden about the breezy part of the day. It likely was God's routine to walk and talk with the man he had created. But one day, when Jehovah came to visit his son, he was nowhere to be found. "Where are you?" Jehovah called out. And then Adam came out of hiding. Why on earth was Adam hiding? The man explained: “I heard your voice in the garden, but I was afraid because I was naked, so I hid myself.” Ah, the man had become guilty as sin. What happened? God asked the man: “Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree from which I commanded you not to eat?”

Because God had made man in his image, Adam had an inborn sense of right and wrong. He had a conscience. And his conscience was perfectly attuned to God. Adam never felt shame. He never felt guilt. He had walked about the garden for years completely naked with no self-consciousness or embarrassment about his nakedness. But once Adam did what he knew was wrong, guilt, shame, and fear and a loss of his relationship with God came to the fore. He was self-condemed. And he knew it. Life could never be the same again. Paradise was lost. Adam was no longer the perfect man he once was. The leisurely chats with God were over. As a sad testament to what the human race has become, instead of manning up and taking responsibility for disobeying God, Adam blamed Eve and implied God was at fault: “The woman whom you gave to be with me, she gave me fruit from the tree, so I ate.” God played along and then turned to Eve, asking her: “What is this you have done?” And what was Eve's reply? “The serpent deceived me, so I ate.”

What Eve said was true. The serpent deceived her. Although Eve was a full-grown woman, she was a child in her innocence and ignorance. She had a beautiful mind but no life experience. She hadn't spent years in Jehovah's company as had her husband. She was born yesterday, literally. She did not realize that snakes could not talk. Had she known that an envious angel whom Jehovah had entrusted as their overseer and protector had treacherously determined that he was the one who ought to be obeyed and worshipped, had she known that one of God's heavenly sons had schemed to use a reptile to disguise his identity, Eve would have run in horror. Satan may have maneuvered Eve to Jehovah's special tree with the serpent in the tree, perhaps making it appear as if the serpent had eaten some of the forbidden fruit so as to deceive Eve into concluding that the reptile could speak and was wise because it had eaten the fruit. Paul later confirmed that Eve was thoroughly deceived. Adam was not. Still, Eve knew God had commanded them not to touch the tree. That was all she needed to know.

So, the once-perfect cherub became the father of the lie, cunningly deceiving the naive Eve, knowing she would seduce Adam into joining her, all so he could selfishly insert himself into the place of Jehovah. But Jehovah went along with the disguise and spoke to the serpent: “Because you have done this, you are the cursed one out of all the domestic animals and out of all the wild animals of the field. On your belly you will go, and you will eat dust all the days of your life. And I will put enmity between you and the woman and between your offspring and her offspring. He will crush your head, and you will strike him in the heel.”

Some of Adam's imperfect offspring, us, might reason that Jehovah was too harsh in throwing Adam and Eve out of the garden and sentencing them to death. Isn't Jehovah merciful and forgiving? Yes, but we need to understand that perfect creatures do not make mistakes. When a perfect creature, be it human or spirit, knowingly, deliberately disobeys God, it is bad, really, really bad. Besides, God had already warned Adam and Eve that the penalty for taking what belonged to Him was death. They knew that. There was no ambiguity. Had Adam not been perfect, he would have said, "Look, I blew it. I am sorry. Please forgive me." But he didn't. He couldn't. That is because he didn't make a mistake.

How could God let them off the hook, so to speak? Satan had already accused God of lying. The Slanderer would have been validated if God had not imposed the sentence he had decreed. The spirit schemer knew that since Adam and Eve had no children in Eden, if God kept his word and put them to death, then God's purpose to fill the earth with perfect people would fail. The Devil also knew that after God had created Eve from Adam's rib, he announced that his creation was perfect and that he was done creating. If God created two fresh humans to replace Eve and Adam, then Jehovah would be guilty of violating his own self-imposed sabbath. The arrogant angel must have imagined that he had outsmarted God.

But God's enigmatic denunciation of the serpent in Eden laid it all out. God was going to allow a sinful, dying human race to develop outside Eden and, at a later time, bring about restoration. But how could God redeem a degenerate race such as ours? By ransom. But how could a ransom price be had? God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son. By transferring the perfect life of his only-begotten heavenly Son into the womb of a Jewess virgin, Jehovah grafted into the dying race a perfect man to correspond to the value of the original man. Paul called Jesus "the second man" and the "last Adam." Unlike the first man of dust, Jesus obeyed God to the end, a torturous, horrific death. By giving his perfect human life, Jesus paid God what we owe him - our lives. And because Jesus was not a new creation, having already been in existence, Jehovah did not violate his sabbath.

Now, all that is left is for Christ to return as King of the world for which he died. Satan knows he is coming. He and his wicked demons are preparing for war. The nations are feverishly preparing for it, too, although they have no clue who the real enemy is. That is because the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, is misleading the entire inhabited earth into war against God Almighty. The Devil intends to take mankind hostage and turn the planet into a lifeless, radioactive cinder if Christ moves to take him out. Let Jesus save mankind from a holocaust of their own making if he can. And so, we shall see.


“Look! I am coming as a thief. Happy is the one who stays awake and keeps his outer garments, so that he may not walk naked and people look upon his shamefulness.” And they gathered them together to the place that is called in Hebrew Armageddon." - Revelation 16:15,16​


Beautifully written. A joy to read our raison d‘etre again.
 

BARNABY THE DOG.

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For those who haven’t already watched this video from a year ago, it’s a very good one and definitely satisfying spiritual food. After watching it again I noticed at around 26 minutes Brother Robert King mentions cannibalism and says not to discount it! We are hearing of that very issue in Haiti and even one instance of it happening recently in the US.

This video is from “King of the North - Part 4”:

Cannibalism…..that’s why I stay clear of fast food …..
 

Revvzone

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"perhaps the first such creature in the physical realm. Certainly, he was the first earthling."

What do you do mean perhaps? Did the perfect God have to make dozens of human men to select the best one?
Adam was the very first human ever created..And NO, God didn't fill up a gazillion planets with other human like creatures..The earth is not called God's footstool for nothing! Nope, this planet is it, the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth, and then the stars, that means earth is numero uno..then life as we know will eventually be spread throughout the known universe with its various kinds ..."Heaven" doesn't mean the entirety of creation, it simply denotes a relative position such as stratosphere or exophere or the space in between..The book of revelations says an Angel was flying in mid heaven.thats obviously the spiritual realm. Not between galaxies.The earth sun and moon, Adam and Eve is where it all began.sure other material things were created out there, for us, for humans! With unimaginable discoveries just waiting until this mess we're in is resolved.
 
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Watchman

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"perhaps the first such creature in the physical realm. Certainly, he was the first earthling."

What do you do mean perhaps? Did the perfect God have to make dozens of human men to select the best one?
Adam was the very first human ever created..And NO, God didn't fill up a gazillion planets with other human like creatures..The earth is not called God's footstool for nothing! Nope, this planet is it, the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth, and then the stars, that means earth is numero uno..then life as we know will eventually be spread throughout the known universe with its various kinds ..."Heaven" doesn't mean the entirety of creation, it simply denotes a relative position such as stratosphere or exophere or the space in between..The book of revelations says an Angel was flying in mid heaven.thats obviously the spiritual realm. Not between galaxies.The earth sun and moon, Adam and Eve is where it all began.sure other material things were created out there, for us, for humans!
I think it is advisable not to be so know-it-all-ish and make dogmatic statements about the possibility of the existence of life in the vast universe. You don't know. I don't know. No human can possibly know. I leave open the possibility that God has created life on other planets.
 

Revvzone

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I think it is advisable not to be so know-it-all-ish and make dogmatic statements about the possibility of the existence of life in the vast universe. You don't know. I don't know. No human can possibly know. I leave open the possibility that God has created life on other planets.
Seriously? Know it all? And you do? I didn't say God didn't make other life..I stated a fact ,and it's a matter of fact! Planet earth is the beginning, man's home.the entirety of the Bibles theme is this rock and life on it being the main theme! I happen to think it's advisable to lay off the weed gummies and try some yohembe..
And another fact there's nothing unique about uncovering gods word..saying such attaches one self to likes of the sanctimonious WT leaders..
 
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Watchman

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Seriously? Know it all? And you do? I didn't say God didn't make other life..I stated a fact ,and it's a matter of fact! Planet earth is the beginning, man's home.the entirety of the Bibles theme is this rock and life on it being the main theme! I happen to think it's advisable to lay off the weed gummies and try some yohembe..
And another fact there's nothing unique about uncovering gods word..saying such attaches one self to likes of the sanctimonious WT leaders..
I didn't say I knew. I said the opposite. I said I did not know. And neither do you. The Bible was only written as a result of a rebellion. It only tells us what we need to know. Besides, Genesis is written from the perspective of an imaginary person on earth. That is why the creative days do not make sense. There is no statement in the Scriptures that the earth is the first such creation with intelligent creatures made in God's image. If you knew for a fact like you claim you would have at least provided a verse or two.
 
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Revvzone

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I didn't say I knew. I said the opposite. I said I did not know. And neither do you. The Bible was only written as a result of a rebellion. It only tells us what we need to know. Besides, Genesis is written from the perspective of an imaginary person on earth. That is why the creative days do not make sense. There is no statement in the Scriptures that the earth is the first such creation with intelligent creatures made in God's image. If you knew for a fact like you claim you should have at least provided a verse or two.
I supply Genesis 1:1 as a start.
If the Bible was written from a persons imaginary perspective.. that means it's all made up. But the scripture reveals" the words there in, are alive! Which is a form of created intelligence.. such as jehovahs breath and so forth.. The problem with images of other intelligent life like that of humans on some far away planet is, there is nothing to support the notion, if there were, what's happened on this planet has obviously thrown a wrench in God's creative activities so much so its boogered the spiritual realm to.. not to mention Jehovah is on break from his creative works at least as far as the physical things humans understand.. Jehovah said he made Man a little lower than angels and crowned him over his creative works, subduing the earth, animals plants birds and so forth, let's face it, no where is it mentioned that anything else made is crowned below man..and since man is the only creature on earth known to negotiate with fellow creatures that makes man it down here! .because ive never seen a monkey trade half a banana for a hand full of nuts. Therefore I simply can't imagine a God giving his subjects imaginary guidelines that can be changed at a whim to some other imaginary nonsense. Sure humans can only know what Jehovah wants us to know.. However, it seems all the activities in heaven have been to prepare a place for his special purpose a home for humans to become spirit creatures, or Gods! Ain't nobody else from planet gizmo or anywhere else invited.. that means there's just God, christ, and soon to be God's and angels as being the only intelligent creatures roaming about..I think if there were, Satan would have said God was withholding from them as well..
 
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BARNABY THE DOG.

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"perhaps the first such creature in the physical realm. Certainly, he was the first earthling."

What do you do mean perhaps? Did the perfect God have to make dozens of human men to select the best one?
Adam was the very first human ever created..And NO, God didn't fill up a gazillion planets with other human like creatures..The earth is not called God's footstool for nothing! Nope, this planet is it, the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth, and then the stars, that means earth is numero uno..then life as we know will eventually be spread throughout the known universe with its various kinds ..."Heaven" doesn't mean the entirety of creation, it simply denotes a relative position such as stratosphere or exophere or the space in between..The book of revelations says an Angel was flying in mid heaven.thats obviously the spiritual realm. Not between galaxies.The earth sun and moon, Adam and Eve is where it all began.sure other material things were created out there, for us, for humans! With unimaginable discoveries just waiting until this mess we're in is resolved.
Your argument has its points, Rev. Yet Jesus was the first of all creation and through him all other things were created - so that leaves a loop hole. Having said that, would not satan have played his card back then at the other creations? After all, Jehovah does not change, so what was perfect for us, would have the same principles elsewhere. The whole of the preceding creation was made for the crowning glory - a life form in the image/faculties of Jehovah and Jesus. How could this be created elsewhere beforehand as the tree of knowledge is a once and for all principle of test. This leads me to agree that our creation was the primary issue for all creation to come given the principle of the test that was set. However, I may not understand that test in its entirety. Yet, Jehovah, I understand, will create anew in the coming order. Would He do so if the principle issues amongst those created in His image were not in agreement of their own volition? It would not make sense given the fact that Jehovah gave Jesus “once and for all time”. If the principle upon that sacrifice stands for all time, then is is reasonable to assume that the methodology of creation stands for all time and that would include the unanimous principle of agreement that Jehovah is God. That the principle must be there as a continuous standard if creation is going to be maintained without continuous challenge is unassailable. Satan was the first to rebel. He was not the last. Yet he and his hoards will be done away with for all time. However, time is a factor, being a law of Jehovah. It’s being brought into existence by Him leaves a question that cannot be answered. Insofar as Jehovah is bound by his own laws in that “He does not change”, as far as we are concerned, if one removes time, then how can that principle remain? It 1- 0 to Robert in the argument. Sorry Rev!
 

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I supply Genesis 1:1 as a start.
If the Bible was written from a persons imaginary perspective.. that means it's all made up. But the scripture reveals" the words there in, are alive! Which is a form of created intelligence.. such as jehovahs breath and so forth.. The problem with images of other intelligent life like that of humans on some far away planet is, there is nothing to support the notion, if there were, what's happened on this planet has obviously thrown a wrench in God's creative activities so much so its boogered the spiritual realm to.. not to mention Jehovah is on break from his creative works at least as far as the physical things humans understand.. Jehovah said he made Man a little lower than angels and crowned him over his creative works, subduing the earth, animals plants birds and so forth, let's face it, no where is it mentioned that anything else made is crowned below man..and since man is the only creature on earth known to negotiate with fellow creatures that makes man it down here! .because ive never seen a monkey trade half a banana for a hand full of nuts. Therefore I simply can't imagine a God giving his subjects imaginary guidelines that can be changed at a whim to some other imaginary nonsense. Sure humans can only know what Jehovah wants us to know.. However, it seems all the activities in heaven have been to prepare a place for his special purpose a home for humans to become spirit creatures, or Gods! Ain't nobody else from planet gizmo or anywhere else invited.. that means there's just God, christ, and soon to be God's and angels as being the only intelligent creatures roaming about..I think if there were, Satan would have said God was withholding from them as well..
As I said, Genesis is written for mankind as a result of the rebellion in Eden. It only tells us what we need to know. Nothing more. Genesis 1:1 says God created the heavens and earth. That is a true statement. You can read into it all you wish, but it is mere speculation. Genesis does not say the earth was the first or only. Earth may well have been the first planet the Creator populated, but I leave open the possibility that it was not. You can make these dogmatic assertions, but all that it proves is that you have more in common with the Watchtower than you would probably admit.
 
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