The Greatest Crime in Human History.

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EternalSoul

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The greatest crime in human history is the sexual abuse of an innocent child. Many are familiar with the child abuse cover-up revealed in the Australian Branch of Jehovah's Witnesses in 2015. During the publicly televised trial, Mr. Jackson (GB member) stated there were 1006 cases of pedophilia in the congregations of JW throughout Australia with 1800 victims of child abuse. When Mr. Jackson was asked by the prosecutor how many of the 1006 cases had been reported to the authorities, Mr. Jackson said not a single one had been. Many, if not most victims never come forward, especially with the two-witness-rule. That means the 1800 victims could easily have been twice that number and probably even more. Parents of JW's teach their children to pray to Jehovah when they are not around. The children are told Jehovah can see them when their parents are not there. Here is the sad part. The act of rape is usually committed one time by the perpetrator. Child abuse can occur over a period of weeks, months and many times even years. When these children prayed to Jehovah for help, as they were taught, how many times did Jehovah answer the prayers of these 1800+ victims? ZERO!!! The bible says, 'If we pray according to his will, he hears us." Why did Jehovah not answer a single prayer of those 1800 victims? If you don't know the obvious answer, you are suffering from cognitive dissonance. The Australian protection services recommended 3 provisions for future protection of children. #1. Always report this crime immediately to the authorities. #2. They recommended having a trained woman to be involved when the child is being questioned. #3. The two-witness-rule has to be changed since there is almost never a second witness. My last comment involves one of the victims who was being molested by her father from the age of 4 to age 12. When she finally got up the courage to approach the elders they told her what they always tell the children - since there is no second witness they said she should go home and leave the matter in Jehovah's hands. She went home and her father continued to molest her for 2 more years. At the age of 14 she went to the police and the ordeal ended.
 
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Chloe

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Unfortunately the Watchtower have been heavily involved in this crime for many years. The blue envelopes, as Barbara Anderson will relate. The case of Candace Conti is there to be read. There is much information on the internet about the Watchtower involvement and their silencing of victims.
 
jay

jay

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Chloe said:
Unfortunately the Watchtower have been heavily involved in this crime for many years. The blue envelopes, as Barbara Anderson will relate. The case of Candace Conti is there to be read. There is much information on the internet about the Watchtower involvement and their silencing of victims.
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It makes me happy when these poor kids win or settle out of court for great sums of money. Hit the org. where it hurts them the most, I hope they go broke.
 
Nomex

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EternalSoul said:
Why did Jehovah not answer a single prayer of those 1800 victims?
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I don't know what you think the answer to this is, but I will tell you the truth. The answer is because Satan is still the ruler of this world and he controls even those who think the org is a "spiritual paradise".
EternalSoul said:
The bible says, 'If we pray according to his will, he hears us."
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That unfortunately doesn't mean he'll intervene! We are unwilling participants of Satan's system. Jehovah did not kill us, by killing Adam and Eve! So if we want a chance at life, we have to suffer Satan's system! Not saying it's ideal, but you and I are not God! And no matter how much the GB wants it to be so, they are not God either!
 
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Nomex said:
Oh, and btw, nothing has ever been said that is truer!
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When you have children something like this hits you even harder. It’s something I’ve always been passionate about, especially when I learned how the governments all over the world were involved in human trafficking.
And then to learn that the organization was involved in this sexual abuse…it was a stab in my heart!!! How could an organization that claims to represent Jehovah be involved in cover ups like this? Just as Jehovah described how he felt about his servant‘s unfaithful acts…it’s disgusting!!!
But we know that ‘vengeance belongs only to Jehovah.’
 
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Nomex said:
I don't know what you think the answer to this is, but I will tell you the truth. The answer is because Satan is still the ruler of this world and he controls even those who think the org is a "spiritual paradise".

That unfortunately doesn't mean he'll intervene! We are unwilling participants of Satan's system. Jehovah did not kill us, by killing Adam and Eve! So if we want a chance at life, we have to suffer Satan's system! Not saying it's ideal, but you and I are not God! And no matter how much the GB wants it to be so, they are not God either!
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It is Jehovah’s will to do away with all sexual abuse but not at this time in history. And, Jehovah does not put a hedge around his people to protect them, yet. Once Satan is removed, then we will not only be protected but all of the damage will be undone. Jehovah never wanted this for the human family but our ancestors, Adam and Eve chose this course for themselves and condemned us all to the pain and injury that comes from sin and life under the rulership of Satan. Jehovah has provided the solution but we must wait with faith.
 
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BARNABY THE DOG.

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Driven said:
It is Jehovah’s will to do away with all sexual abuse but not at this time in history. And, Jehovah does not put a hedge around his people to protect them, yet. Once Satan is removed, then we will not only be protected but all of the damage will be undone. Jehovah never wanted this for the human family but our ancestors, Adam and Eve chose this course for themselves and condemned us all to the pain and injury that comes from sin and life under the rulership of Satan. Jehovah has provided the solution but we must wait with faith.
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I was rather hoping that someone would answer the question. I get wary of people suggesting that Jehovah ‘does nothing‘ even if by only inference. My family were watchtower victims, and even decades later, the effect is still an open wound and will never heal in this world, I can honestly say. To suggest where was Jehovah when those children were praying for Him… by asking how Many times did Jehovah answer those prayers “zero” is not so, how ever bitterly it was said, and with what ever reasoning it was understood to be so. The fact remains that Jehovah is the source of justice. These laws, and their application are not something natural to life, but rather, a sense, given to us in our construction, and that elevates us above the other kingdoms of animals living on this globe in the middle of nowhere. Thus we have love, not lust, justice, not revenge, care, a motivation for provision, altruism that gives birth to generosity and so on in limitless expressions that underpin the primary sense of love. That is why love is the greatest of all attributes in that it encapsulates the manifestation of Spirit Within our sense of reflecting the essence of our sense of own being.

Thus it is not true to say that Jehovah has and done “nothing”. To the contrary. What Jehovah has done, is provide our senses to injustice, so that we ourselves can condemn and thus prove our understanding and grasp of His attributes. By the very act of not intervening Himself, we judge ourselves and develop our attributes that He has given us. As the bible says, we are drawn out by our own desires. We did not create this system. Satan did. But it is by our responses to that, whereby we judge ourselves. Rejection of this system will serve as our proof of our integrity, and these events, from murder of the soul and spirit of our children by others, to our own common jealousies will prove our worth for the next system. Though some may say we did not choose this course in life and that Jehovah is at fault for not dealing now, this instant, with these wrongs, we are in its stead, given the opportunity to take our stand. Is it not enough retribution that these murderers of a child’s soul will be destroyed? And where is our blame in that we were not there when our child needed us? Who excused us from not being aware of our child’s need? Do we reply that we cannot always be with them, applies to us too, or is it only Jehovah to blame for seemingly not being there to answer prayers? And what of all other innocent victims? They were someone’s child too. Jehovah promises that justice will come, “Revenge is mine…” but it will be all seeing, all knowing justice, and that includes ourselves. Are we to judge by our standards? That is what created this system in the first place, paedophiles, murderers, thieves and people who love what is right, but whom did not earlier in their life but are thankful that Jehovah did not act then in their punishment, but in stead, declared that He wishes none to die, but to gain repentance. The law applies to us as well, and we are all guilty and will die. Some are innocent under the law, and they will gain life, and that has been so since Eve took that fateful decision, but even those who were worthy of death will gain another chance. Far from saying that Jehovah has done nothing, it has already been set in stone what He will do and is moving forward to do even now. It is as well to remember that Jehovah is not restrained by time. We are. Hence our, not His immediacy.
 
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evw

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BARNABY THE DOG. said:
I was rather hoping that someone would answer the question. I get wary of people suggesting that Jehovah ‘does nothing‘ even if by only inference. My family were watchtower victims, and even decades later, the effect is still an open wound and will never heal in this world, I can honestly say. To suggest where was Jehovah when those children were praying for Him… by asking how Many times did Jehovah answer those prayers “zero” is not so, how ever bitterly it was said, and with what ever reasoning it was understood to be so. The fact remains that Jehovah is the source of justice. These laws, and their application are not something natural to life, but rather, a sense, given to us in our construction, and that elevates us above the other kingdoms of animals living on this globe in the middle of nowhere. Thus we have love, not lust, justice, not revenge, care, a motivation for provision, altruism that gives birth to generosity and so on in limitless expressions that underpin the primary sense of love. That is why love is the greatest of all attributes in that it encapsulates the manifestation of Spirit Within our sense of reflecting the essence of our sense of own being.

Thus it is not true to say that Jehovah has and done “nothing”. To the contrary. What Jehovah has done, is provide our senses to injustice, so that we ourselves can condemn and thus prove our understanding and grasp of His attributes. By the very act of not intervening Himself, we judge ourselves and develop our attributes that He has given us. As the bible says, we are drawn out by our own desires. We did not create this system. Satan did. But it is by our responses to that, whereby we judge ourselves. Rejection of this system will serve as our proof of our integrity, and these events, from murder of the soul and spirit of our children by others, to our own common jealousies will prove our worth for the next system. Though some may say we did not choose this course in life and that Jehovah is at fault for not dealing now, this instant, with these wrongs, we are in its stead, given the opportunity to take our stand. Is it not enough retribution that these murderers of a child’s soul will be destroyed? And where is our blame in that we were not there when our child needed us? Who excused us from not being aware of our child’s need? Do we reply that we cannot always be with them, applies to us too, or is it only Jehovah to blame for seemingly not being there to answer prayers? And what of all other innocent victims? They were someone’s child too. Jehovah promises that justice will come, “Revenge is mine…” but it will be all seeing, all knowing justice, and that includes ourselves. Are we to judge by our standards? That is what created this system in the first place, paedophiles, murderers, thieves and people who love what is right, but whom did not earlier in their life but are thankful that Jehovah did not act then in their punishment, but in stead, declared that He wishes none to die, but to gain repentance. The law applies to us as well, and we are all guilty and will die. Some are innocent under the law, and they will gain life, and that has been so since Eve took that fateful decision, but even those who were worthy of death will gain another chance. Far from saying that Jehovah has done nothing, it has already been set in stone what He will do and is moving forward to do even now. It is as well to remember that Jehovah is not restrained by time. We are. Hence our, not His immediacy.
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Thank you! I've been broken mentally, physically, emotionally and spiritually for to long. Surging for some relieve from Jehovah and here it is! It brings tears to my eyes and I hope you don't mind that I save those words as a reminder..
 
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BARNABY THE DOG.

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xrt469 said:
Your entire response is lovely. We are often reminded that Jehovah can use any one of us to answer the prayers of others. I often think of that in specific practical ways but your thoughts show there's much more to it than such mundane things and worthy of my meditation. How can I intervene in behalf of such a precious one? Would I see the signs? If I became aware, would I take steps to help or prefer not to get involved?
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It is difficult to know what a child is going through. No, we may not see the signs because the reaction of a child to abuse takes many forms and these can have, in analysis, an endless list of events as their genesis. Even then, Taking steps to assist is often thwarted by the law itself and the lack of insight and thus stems the response by those charged with professional care. Likewise, the child’s response is also a victim of their youthful development and thus hard for them to express. The best preventative measure is to culture a dependable and approachable two-way safe dialogue with our children. It’s difficult as childhood as we all know, is a long and winding road - we just have to make sure it leads to our door, not someone else’s. Hence vigilance. There are of course, ‘evidence indicators of abuse’. These are readily available to readers on the internet, but there is a skill needed as to insight. Thus dialogue between parent and child remains critical. It’s a sad and awful world we live in and the freedom of a child to live, love and progress safely has long past and the fact that watchtower has failed in its duty to Jehovah is a measure of just how bad things have become. It could have been a beacon of light, but instead it has been led into cesspit of iniquity by the very people who appointed themselves as Jehovah’s mouthpiece, or “channel” as they like to call it. So instead, Jehovah awakened a stone in Michigan to speak in their stead and which seems to have resulted in many pebbles world wide being gathered to re-pave the way forward. It is not all doom and gloom!
 
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kenmuldoon55

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Driven said:
It is Jehovah’s will to do away with all sexual abuse but not at this time in history. And, Jehovah does not put a hedge around his people to protect them, yet. Once Satan is removed, then we will not only be protected but all of the damage will be undone. Jehovah never wanted this for the human family but our ancestors, Adam and Eve chose this course for themselves and condemned us all to the pain and injury that comes from sin and life under the rulership of Satan. Jehovah has provided the solution but we must wait with faith.
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Yes indeed, how does Paul write about this in Romans 8 with regards to waiting when he says all creation eagerly awaits the revealing of the sons of God.
 
jay

jay

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BARNABY THE DOG. said:
I was rather hoping that someone would answer the question. I get wary of people suggesting that Jehovah ‘does nothing‘ even if by only inference. My family were watchtower victims, and even decades later, the effect is still an open wound and will never heal in this world, I can honestly say. To suggest where was Jehovah when those children were praying for Him… by asking how Many times did Jehovah answer those prayers “zero” is not so, how ever bitterly it was said, and with what ever reasoning it was understood to be so. The fact remains that Jehovah is the source of justice. These laws, and their application are not something natural to life, but rather, a sense, given to us in our construction, and that elevates us above the other kingdoms of animals living on this globe in the middle of nowhere. Thus we have love, not lust, justice, not revenge, care, a motivation for provision, altruism that gives birth to generosity and so on in limitless expressions that underpin the primary sense of love. That is why love is the greatest of all attributes in that it encapsulates the manifestation of Spirit Within our sense of reflecting the essence of our sense of own being.

Thus it is not true to say that Jehovah has and done “nothing”. To the contrary. What Jehovah has done, is provide our senses to injustice, so that we ourselves can condemn and thus prove our understanding and grasp of His attributes. By the very act of not intervening Himself, we judge ourselves and develop our attributes that He has given us. As the bible says, we are drawn out by our own desires. We did not create this system. Satan did. But it is by our responses to that, whereby we judge ourselves. Rejection of this system will serve as our proof of our integrity, and these events, from murder of the soul and spirit of our children by others, to our own common jealousies will prove our worth for the next system. Though some may say we did not choose this course in life and that Jehovah is at fault for not dealing now, this instant, with these wrongs, we are in its stead, given the opportunity to take our stand. Is it not enough retribution that these murderers of a child’s soul will be destroyed? And where is our blame in that we were not there when our child needed us? Who excused us from not being aware of our child’s need? Do we reply that we cannot always be with them, applies to us too, or is it only Jehovah to blame for seemingly not being there to answer prayers? And what of all other innocent victims? They were someone’s child too. Jehovah promises that justice will come, “Revenge is mine…” but it will be all seeing, all knowing justice, and that includes ourselves. Are we to judge by our standards? That is what created this system in the first place, paedophiles, murderers, thieves and people who love what is right, but whom did not earlier in their life but are thankful that Jehovah did not act then in their punishment, but in stead, declared that He wishes none to die, but to gain repentance. The law applies to us as well, and we are all guilty and will die. Some are innocent under the law, and they will gain life, and that has been so since Eve took that fateful decision, but even those who were worthy of death will gain another chance. Far from saying that Jehovah has done nothing, it has already been set in stone what He will do and is moving forward to do even now. It is as well to remember that Jehovah is not restrained by time. We are. Hence our, not His immediacy.
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Very well put Bro. Burt. It would be so easy to just shoot them.
 
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jay said:
Very well put Bro. Burt. It would be so easy to just shoot them.
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Yes it would be easier to shoot them to satisfy our own feelings - not that such would for me though, but that would mean we have to responsible for that decision and our action. Watchtower is culpable for their part as well with the money-driven lies of interpretation of the two witness rule. What manner of witness is it that cannot weigh the plea of a child against the machinations of a bestial adult? That’s part of the trouble with watchtower - there is no depth of experience within them - they are pampered puppets, shifty, sorry servants playing at being leaders of men. I would rather Jehovah deals with them.
 
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MickHewitt said:
Listen to this Ken: Ukraine is saying 'We must pre- empt Russia's nuclear strike by employing the entire arsenal of means at the disposal of world powers"
2min in! Love to you and your wife brother.
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Thanks Mick for your kind words it really means so much brother.
Yeah I can’t imagine any country stupid enough to pull a stunt like what Zelensky wants them to do.
But then again Mick, Jehovahs day comes out of left field when no one suspects.
So many terrible things happening in this world at once!
It seems the global elite have to make their move.
Thanks for the heads up.
 
jay

jay

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BARNABY THE DOG. said:
Yes it would be easier to shoot them to satisfy our own feelings - not that such would for me though, but that would mean we have to responsible for that decision and our action. Watchtower is culpable for their part as well with the money-driven lies of interpretation of the two witness rule. What manner of witness is it that cannot weigh the plea of a child against the machinations of a bestial adult? That’s part of the trouble with watchtower - there is no depth of experience within them - they are pampered puppets, shifty, sorry servants playing at being leaders of men. I would rather Jehovah deals with them.
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Me too
 
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