Torn about going back

jay

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everything you said was perfect- and this part above- you’ll never get a response to that from the JWs on this forum who straddle the fence by posting here, thereby engaging in a behavior that would get them reproved or worse - because there is no viable explanation, as you so aptly point out.

I get people who stay in for reasons of close family who are in, because of the shunning policy, and that’s on Watchtower. But those who stay in (and judge others for not) and want to engage in a ministry that only glorifies men now, are on a sinking ship- she’s listing captain!
I am shunned by my elder bro. in law and my sister. They haven't spoken to me for years. I am a walk-away so am judged by men. I can't go back to the group of judges and gossips. Not one faithful, kind hearted, bro. or sister has stopped by and asked where have I been. I don't feel the christ like love that is supposed to be there.
 

kirmmy

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I am shunned by my elder bro. in law and my sister. They haven't spoken to me for years. I am a walk-away so am judged by men. I can't go back to the group of judges and gossips. Not one faithful, kind hearted, bro. or sister has stopped by and asked where have I been. I don't feel the christ like love that is supposed to be there.
That is strange Jay. Usually if you fade, witnesses will still talk to you. Your sister is a hard one, eh? I faded many years ago and had some friends when I left and they still talk to me. I can't talk sense about the org to any of them and have stopped trying. One is having a real hard go of life too but it's like Kim said, they reflect the personality of the GB. It seems to me that they worship the GB. It's going to be a rude awakening...

When I faded I was never called or visited by anyone in the congo I was in. It was perfect! I know some that tried to fade but they were run to ground like animals and disfellowshipped. Today's elders are bloodthirsty and "righteous".

If I could say something of encouragement to those here, remember Jesus' words: The first will be last and the last, first.
 

Jehovahsloyalchild

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The wheat and the weeds grow together until the conclusion….
Very true and I realize the harvesting has not commenced as of yet. I am torn because I strongly feel that my relationship is stronger with Jehovah not being a part of the organization then it will be if I do return. I literally can barely stomach their hypocrisy. I don't find anything they teach anymore enriching or spiritually uplifting. The satanic influence is becoming stronger and more apparent by the day. Stephen Lett even had the audacity to say at the peace convention that babies are enemies of God. It is sickening the things they say. It is not sound or from Jehovah at all. I think the only reason Jehovah hasn't pulled the plug yet is because of how patient he is and the fact he doesn't want to destroy anyone he wants us all to repent and return to him. He is giving his witnesses ample opportunities to see the hypocrisy within the leadership. The complete abomination and reproach they bring upon his name through their mishandling of child abuse cases, their push for deadly toxic injections their constant propaganda their selling off kingdom halls their shunning their callous cold unfaithful dispositions, the lack of love among one another is becoming more prevelant. I think it is very much a individual choice at this point and I believe as long as we maintain our faith continue praying studying and worshipping Jehovah that he is understanding that each of us is in a different place and remain, return or fade for various reasons. For myself I can't help but think and feel it's best for me spiritually, mentally etc that I don't but I still have to really prayerfully consider it. I am so conflicted about it all. It's so tough I can't believe the conflict I am going through right now. I know I am not alone and it helps to have people in this this thread who truly understand my dilemma. We can relate to one another. It's helps alot it provides support so I very much appreciate all yoyr comments.
 

Carl

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The wheat and the weeds grow together until the conclusion….
At first I was pro everyone leaving and/or remaining gone, but this comment has helped me to see that in order for Jesus' prophesy about people being kicked out of the synagogue to come true, there must be people inside who don't worship the GB, and don't promote the lies to Bible Students and people out in the ministry. The question remains... when do they speak the truth about the Truth? I believe this prophesy from Jesus was meant for the anointed though, so as for those like me with an earthly hope... I see no reason to return or stay, but this is of course a matter of conscience.
 

Eira

Member
Very true and I realize the harvesting has not commenced as of yet. I am torn because I strongly feel that my relationship is stronger with Jehovah not being a part of the organization then it will be if I do return. I literally can barely stomach their hypocrisy. I don't find anything they teach anymore enriching or spiritually uplifting. The satanic influence is becoming stronger and more apparent by the day. Stephen Lett even had the audacity to say at the peace convention that babies are enemies of God. It is sickening the things they say. It is not sound or from Jehovah at all. I think the only reason Jehovah hasn't pulled the plug yet is because of how patient he is and the fact he doesn't want to destroy anyone he wants us all to repent and return to him. He is giving his witnesses ample opportunities to see the hypocrisy within the leadership. The complete abomination and reproach they bring upon his name through their mishandling of child abuse cases, their push for deadly toxic injections their constant propaganda their selling off kingdom halls their shunning their callous cold unfaithful dispositions, the lack of love among one another is becoming more prevelant. I think it is very much a individual choice at this point and I believe as long as we maintain our faith continue praying studying and worshipping Jehovah that he is understanding that each of us is in a different place and remain, return or fade for various reasons. For myself I can't help but think and feel it's best for me spiritually, mentally etc that I don't but I still have to really prayerfully consider it. I am so conflicted about it all. It's so tough I can't believe the conflict I am going through right now. I know I am not alone and it helps to have people in this this thread who truly understand my dilemma. We can relate to one another. It's helps alot it provides support so I very much appreciate all yoyr comments.
You are right, it is a personal decision and no one has the right sway you either way…
For me I really struggle having to listen to all the tripe from the platform and all the fake love but with what I have learned from Jehovah through Brother King has renewed my faith in Jehovah and I know that I believe that we will not have to put up much longer before Jehovah judge’s the House where His Name resides. I believe that His Spirit is still there conducting the Preaching of the Kingdom and the announcement of His Holy Name and that is what I focus on when I attend and when I preach. Zoom helps too when I can’t face the meetings…. It is a struggle when we know the truth about the truth and each of us here has to deal with that in our own ways….I hope and pray that you figure out your own journey with the Spirit of Jah everything is possible…. Agape
 

יהוה_saves

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That is strange Jay. Usually if you fade, witnesses will still talk to you.
actualy kirmmy, not to be argumentative, it’s not unusual anymore. the further the org as a whole drifts away from Jehovah, and let’s face it, this org can’t get any farther from Jehovah unless it were non-existent, which is coming, the more unloving, and the more purist it becomes (to ferrit out PIMOs and leakers)- bad association is defined by the Gov Body, not the bible, and JW culture generally influences them to shun EVEN when a he or she is not under any reproof- it’s just really that cruel.

@jay it’s not right. on the other hand, JW relationships are not wholly real, they’re not cultivated in deep love because JWs know their relationships, even their most precious ones, can be ripped from them in an instant for any reason, and they aren’t even allowed to know the reason. So they don’t get too close- as a defense mechanism for the pain because they see it happen all too often. And that is very sad, and so many of these relationships just aren’t worth the emotional anguish as they are all disposable in the eyes of the average JW. Théy can become real again, and cultivated in deep love when they EXIT Watchtower

This org can no longer claim that love amongst themselves is a sign that it’s the truth. This org is wayward because the leadership is wayward.
 

יהוה_saves

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I agree with this assessment. I studied the Bible with JW's years ago with the most sweet, spiritual sister you can imagine. I was raised in the Catholic Church yet never believed in the trinity and all that nonsense. I looked so forward to going to the Kingdom Hall for the first time to be with people like her but I was in for a rude awakening. I had an "unbelieving mate" and I think that is one reason why I was shunned by most everyone there. It was not my imagination and it was palpable. I stopped my study in the late 90's after the UN information started to come out and I actually wrote the WT a letter asking them about it, and I received a letter in return stating something to the effect of I shouldn't be looking into such matters. I was stunned. Ultimately once the floodgates opened with the UN, child abuse scandal as well as the unloving atmosphere in the congregation, I stopped studying altogether. I did not stop my research however and eventually found Robert, for which I am so grateful, because now I have an EXPLANATION for everything! I am not sure I could go to meetings and not share "the truth" about everything I know!
i’m sorry that happened to you Michelle- it makes me so upset because they potentially stumbled you out of a relationship with Jehovah.

Although this is two dimensional communication, i hope I can say that would never happened to you with us. Jehovah saw in you that you were calling on his name and he snatched you from the fire and here you are with us and we adore you!!!!

Sometimes i too wish i could go to meetings and raise my hand and share the things i’ve learned at ewatchman- but you know if we did that we’d get bounced in a hurry.
 

kirmmy

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I think it is very much a individual choice at this point and I believe as long as we maintain our faith continue praying studying and worshipping Jehovah that he is understanding that each of us is in a different place and remain, return or fade for various reasons.
Exactly. I've been out now for many years now. I was pointed to RK's site about 1.5 years ago. I can honestly say, I've never had a closer relationship with Jehovah. I actually put forth great effort to stay sin free in his sight. My efforts inside were mediocre at best. Prayers seem to be answered with the Bible now quite regularly now even if it's not the answer I want.

But I'd never advise anyone either way. They are God's org but they're deteriorating quickly. If you're inside, at some point you'll have to make a choice to leave as they go completely apostate, but Jehovah will make it very obvious to you.

but this comment has helped me to see that in order for Jesus' prophesy about people being kicked out of the synagogue to come true, there must be people inside who don't worship the GB, and don't promote the lies to Bible
Carl we're already seeing this. RK was kicked out of the synagogue for rejecting the lies and wickedness. I know others too, anointed and and OS. They're filling up the cup and they're going to drink soon.
 

Nomex

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This org can no longer claim that love amongst themselves is a sign that it’s the truth
I have struggled with this since I was a young boy, and only got worse as I got older. A few years back there was an experience on a District Convention part where some young man was talking about all the love and help he got from the congregation and Elders. It brought tears to my eyes since my experience was the opposite. (Makes me wonder where these people are since i haven't know any of them really.) The only reason I stayed in the "truth" was because of the fact that I knew the basic truths were true, and I was puzzled for years and years, at the complete thorough lack of love I have experienced for decades, from my own family and the various congregations. This Covid garbage is what finally led me here, and now for the first time I understand what has been going on.

I think it bears pointing out Jesus was not talking about an "org" when he said what he said, "you will know who are my disciples if they have love among themselves" Most JW's will do incredible feats of mental gymnastics to explain to themselves and anyone who will listen, how mistreatment is "loving".

The biggest problem I have now with the org/meetings/service, is the complete thorough hypocrisy of it all! It's the final nail in the coffin for me.
 

BagdadBill

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As long as you keep an eye on your children and avoid the topics we know to be false, you might be alright. I have given thought to going back. I just can't teach about 1914 or the invisible and otherwise non-detectable presence of Jesus with a clear conscience.
 

Jehovahsloyalchild

Active member
I have struggled with this since I was a young boy, and only got worse as I got older. A few years back there was an experience on a District Convention part where some young man was talking about all the love and help he got from the congregation and Elders. It brought tears to my eyes since my experience was the opposite. (Makes me wonder where these people are since i haven't know any of them really.) The only reason I stayed in the "truth" was because of the fact that I knew the basic truths were true, and I was puzzled for years and years, at the complete thorough lack of love I have experienced for decades, from my own family and the various congregations. This Covid garbage is what finally led me here, and now for the first time I understand what has been going on.

I think it bears pointing out Jesus was not talking about an "org" when he said what he said, "you will know who are my disciples if they have love among themselves" Most JW's will do incredible feats of mental gymnastics to explain to themselves and anyone who will listen, how mistreatment is "loving".

The biggest problem I have now with the org/meetings/service, is the complete thorough hypocrisy of it all! It's the final nail in the coffin for me.
Sorry to hear about your experience and know you are definitely not alone with what you have experienced in the organization. I truly believe the ones you hear do these videos and talks at conventions are scripted to say what they do. It doesn't feel or look genuine at all at least not in my opinion and from what I gather and have observed personally is not the way it has been for many. At least we have found our true brothers and sisters here... thanks first and foremost to Jehovah God for leading us to Robert and to one another through this forum. We are Jehovahs children here. We love him, worship him, obey him despite all the obstacles and the satanic influence we have been exposed to. Our love and faith persevered through it and now we just have to hang on continue praying day n night to continue to persevere to endure because just ad Jehovah knows who belongs to him Satan also knows who belongs to Jehovah and trust me he is going to come full force at each and every one of us here to try to get us to disobey Jehovah to leave Jehovah. We cannot allow that to happen. I know my faith and love for Jehovah will conquer the wicked one and anything he tries to throw my way even if I have to die to prove my loyalty I WILL no question about it.
 

Nomex

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Sorry to hear about your experience and know you are definitely not alone with what you have experienced in the organization.
My father knew more about the bible than anyone I've ever know until I found RK. When I was young I thought everyone in the "truth" understood the bible like he did. As I got older I used to wonder, "how do they hear and read the same things I do, and not understand it?" This was true even with my flesh and blood brothers. Before my father died he told me I was the "only one of his sons who made any sense." There were 5 of us.

My oldest brother is an elder and 100% a WT company man, and has no problem his kids took off the minute they were old enough. Not once does he think he did any thing wrong. He says things like "Satan just uses your kids against you," and "even Jehovah's first two human children left him, and they were perfect." Oh, and to be sure he want's to give me parental advice. I just say to myself, "I don't need any help screwing up as a parent, I can do that all by myself."

But the lack of self awareness is the biggest puzzle to me of them all. I just don't understand it. But Cozid brought out the truth of what Ex-JW's call JW's, "Zombie witnesses." The vast majority of JW's are incapable of thinking for themselves. The fact is history is repeating itself. When Jesus said about the Jews, "they were like sheep cast about without a shepherd" that is exactly what's going on now. And Jesus preached something completely different than the Jewish religious leaders. When Jesus said, "go therefore and make disciples, baptizing them in the name of the father, son, holy spirit and the Watchtower, Bible and Tract Society Inc" , oh wait, I guess Jesus forgot something. In order to become one of JW's you are in fact "baptized in the name of the WT!" It's part of your public proclamation.

Don't get me wrong, I am glad that the WT brought what truth they did into the world, no question about that, but they have done exactly what Paul said, "sitting down in the temple of God, publicly showing himself to be a god." The fact of the matter is this, Jehovah is revealing that WT " does not belong to man who is walking even to direct his step", is not exempt from this bible truth!

"God's organization directed by imperfect men?" Well in the Bible Jehovah didn't actually let imperfect men direct Judah and Israel, so how exactly does this work? We don't have prophets today, so when they "go beyond what is written" God is not directing it!!!!
 

noname

Active member
I wish I lived close to some of you too. Feel like I'm in a strange situation where there's nowhere for me to go to find people with similar beliefs to mine. JWs are closer than most people, despite even them being few and far in between these days, but even they wouldn't appreciate my position because I disagree with the Org on prophecy. That pretty much eliminates 99.9% of the population. I know I'm not alone. I have brothers and sisters out there somewhere. I've just never actually met any of them. Not lately, anyway. Man, what a stupid pitiful world this is. Every day that I survive without losing my mind is an absolute miracle. I swear, if I have to explain to one more person that God's name isn't "God", I'm gonna scream.
We find ourselves in a time period where Jehovahs direct worshippers are scattered about like sheep without a shepherd.
 

noname

Active member
My father knew more about the bible than anyone I've ever know until I found RK. When I was young I thought everyone in the "truth" understood the bible like he did. As I got older I used to wonder, "how do they hear and read the same things I do, and not understand it?" This was true even with my flesh and blood brothers. Before my father died he told me I was the "only one of his sons who made any sense." There were 5 of us.

My oldest brother is an elder and 100% a WT company man, and has no problem his kids took off the minute they were old enough. Not once does he think he did any thing wrong. He says things like "Satan just uses your kids against you," and "even Jehovah's first two human children left him, and they were perfect." Oh, and to be sure he want's to give me parental advice. I just say to myself, "I don't need any help screwing up as a parent, I can do that all by myself."

But the lack of self awareness is the biggest puzzle to me of them all. I just don't understand it. But Cozid brought out the truth of what Ex-JW's call JW's, "Zombie witnesses." The vast majority of JW's are incapable of thinking for themselves. The fact is history is repeating itself. When Jesus said about the Jews, "they were like sheep cast about without a shepherd" that is exactly what's going on now. And Jesus preached something completely different than the Jewish religious leaders. When Jesus said, "go therefore and make disciples, baptizing them in the name of the father, son, holy spirit and the Watchtower, Bible and Tract Society Inc" , oh wait, I guess Jesus forgot something. In order to become one of JW's you are in fact "baptized in the name of the WT!" It's part of your public proclamation.

Don't get me wrong, I am glad that the WT brought what truth they did into the world, no question about that, but they have done exactly what Paul said, "sitting down in the temple of God, publicly showing himself to be a god." The fact of the matter is this, Jehovah is revealing that WT " does not belong to man who is walking even to direct his step", is not exempt from this bible truth!

"God's organization directed by imperfect men?" Well in the Bible Jehovah didn't actually let imperfect men direct Judah and Israel, so how exactly does this work? We don't have prophets today, so when they "go beyond what is written" God is not directing it!!!!

Yah it is good that they brought hidden biblical truths back into the world. But the agenda of a "religion" always seems to rear its ugly head with the same pattern of dogma and dictatorship, until people get ostracized and persecuted once again for razing legitimate questions.
 

Soul Sage

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Those that feel alone, you aren't really alone. Remember Jacob. His father and mother sinned against Jehovah. He could only really confide in Jehovah and talk to the angels guarding the way to the garden of Eden after his parents sinned. He probably received encouragement from them and with such a low population of humans around that early time.
 
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